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GET RIGHT THERE.ALRIGHT, I'M GONNA CALL THE ORDER
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OF THE, I'M GONNA CALL THE, TO ORDER THE DISTRICT COMMISSION MEETING ON THURSDAY, AUGUST 27TH, 2026.UH, COULD I HAVE A, UH, ROLL CALL PLEASE? COMMISSIONER DEAN HERE.
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THERE ANY CHANGES FROM THE MINUTES FROM THE TOWN? WE DON'T HAVE ANY SUGGESTED CHANGES.COMMISSIONERS, DID YOU GET TO READ THE MINUTES? HAVE ANY CHANGES ON YOUR POINT OF VIEW? NO.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
THESE ARE THE COMMENT CARDS FOR ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ANYTHING.
IF YOU FILL THIS OUT, HAND IT TO STAFF AT THE TABLE OVER THERE.
WE'LL GET YOU IN THE PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION.
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THERE ANY CHANGES TO THE AGENDA AS PRESENTED? STAFF DOES SUGGEST FLIPPING THE UPDATES ON ADMINISTRATIVE CASES AND OTHER BUSINESS.THAT WAY WE CAN GO AHEAD AND TAKE CARE OF THE, THE TWO MAIN ITEMS THAT YOU'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT AND WE CAN UPDATE YOU AT THE END OF THE MEETING WITHOUT THE ANNOUNCEMENTS.
ERS, DO I HAVE A MOTION? WE NEED TO APPROVE THE AGENDA.
SECOND, IS THAT TO, UH, WITH THE CHANGES JAMIE MADE? YES.
DO WE HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? COMMISSIONER COX? UH, COMMISSIONER HALL? YES.
I WILL ASK QUICKLY, ARE THERE ANY CITIZEN'S COMMENTS ON ANYTHING? OKAY.
[7.b Case #252101 - Request approval of a Certificate of Economic Hardship for an existing structure located at 215 S. Center Street]
BELIEVE THIS IS YOU.SO WE HAD A REQUEST TO COME BEFORE YOU TO HAVE A NON-VOTING DISCUSSION ABOUT THE POST, UH, HOTEL ON THE, THE RIGHT PROPERTY, UH, THIS NORTH, ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE SQUARE.
AND IT WOULD REPLACE FOR 1 45 OR 1 45 MAIN
BEFORE I GET STARTED, I THOUGHT I'D MENTION, UM, THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOME TALLER BUILDINGS.
AND JUST, JUST TO GET TO THE MAIN ISSUE, P AND SCALE WILL BE PERHAPS THE BIGGEST THING WE TALKED ABOUT.
UH, THERE HAVE BEEN SOME TALLER BUILDINGS ON THE, THE SQUARE.
THESE ARE SOME, THIS IS THE CHAD, THIS IS YOUR FAMILY BUILDING BEFORE Y'ALL, Y'ALL REBUILT IT.
SO THERE ARE SOME TWO STORY BUILDINGS.
THE, THE HOTEL ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE SQUARE THAT, UH, ISN'T THERE ANYMORE.
AND THAT'S WHERE JOHN GREEN REALTY IS NOW.
THERE WAS TWO, THERE WERE TWO STORIES, AND THERE WAS SOME KIND OF BASEMENT, UH, STRUCTURE THAT, THAT DID CONSTITUTE, UH, A THIRD STORY ON THE, THE RAILROAD SIDE.
SO THERE ARE OTHER TALL BUILDINGS.
THERE WAS A HOTEL ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF SOUTH ROLLETTE.
THERE MAY HAVE BEEN SOMETHING UNDERNEATH IT.
UH, BUT AT LEAST TWO VISIBLE STORIES.
YOU CAN SEE THE, THE ONE THAT WAS ON THE, THE EAST SIDE OF THE SQUARE WITH THE BASEMENT THAT I MENTIONED.
THERE IS SOME HEIGHT FOR, UH, THE HIGH SCHOOL, THE HISTORIC HIGH SCHOOL BUILDING, PARTICULARLY THE, THE AUDITORIUM.
IT, IT COULD GET UP TO AROUND 50 FEET.
UH, BRENT SAW OUR GIS MANAGER IS WITH US.
AND THE THE TOWN, UM, THE ION BOARD HAS GIVE GIVEN US SEVERAL RESOURCES WITH, WITH OUR GIS PROGRAM.
AND ONE OF 'EM IS, UH, WE, WE DID A, A LIDAR STUDY OF, OF THE ENTIRE TOWN.
AND WE WERE ABLE TO EXTRACT BUILDING HEIGHTS AND TREE HEIGHTS AND THAT, THAT THAT'LL COME UP TODAY.
AND YOU'LL GET TO SEE SOME OF GISS HAND WORK AND BRANCH'S HAND WORK.
UH, BUT WE GUESSED AROUND 50 FEET TO, TO THE TALLEST POINT.
UM, AROUND WHERE THE, THE AUDITORIUM IS WHERE WE DID THE ADDITION.
IT MIGHT BE AROUND 30, 34 FEET TO THE, TO THE TALL.
THERE WERE SOME TALL BUILDINGS.
AND EVEN UP ON THE, THE NORTH SIDE OF THE SQUARE AND THE EAST SIDE, THE MASONIC LODGE WAS ONCE TWO STORY.
UH, THE, THE MOVIE THEATER HAD A TWO STORY SCALE, THE THE GROCERY STORE NEXT TO IT.
SO WE, WE DID HAVE A TWO TO THREE STORY SCALE IN IN THE PAST.
UM, THIS SLIDE IS INTENDED TO HELP THE HDC KNOW ITS ROLE.
AND WE'VE GOT A SAYING AT MY HOUSE THAT'S POPULAR THESE DAYS.
AND SO I THINK, I THINK THE APPLICANT WANTS TO BE CLEAR WITH Y'ALL FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, AND AND STAFF WANTS TO BE CLEAR WITH Y'ALL AS WELL, YOUR GUIDELINES SAY THAT
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A BUILDING SHOULDN'T EXCEED 35 FEET IN HEIGHT.THAT'S TWO STORIES FOR A COMMERCIAL BUILDING TO BUILDING TALLER, BUILDING FOUR PLATES MIGHT TRANSLATE TO THREE STORIES FOR A RESIDENTIAL BUILDING.
THAT'S WHAT YOUR GUIDELINES SAY.
YOUR GUIDELINES ARE NOT, IT'S NOT ZONING, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT A HARD AND FAST RULE RULE.
YOU GET TO LOOK AT CONTEXT AND YOU HAVE APPLIED SOME, SOME CONTEXT AND THOUGHT ABOUT OTHER FACTORS AS YOU'VE APPLIED THAT OVER THE YEARS AND, AND OTHER COMMISSIONS BEFORE YOU, UH, THIS PARTICULAR GRAPHIC SHOWS YOU A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT RELATES TO THIS PROPERTY AND BUILDING HEIGHT.
UH, THE A CC GUIDELINES, THE ZONING ORDINANCE, DOWNTOWN PLAN, THE 2040 PLAN AND EVEN THE 2050 PLAN, WHICH HASN'T, IS STILL BEING DRAFTED, HASN'T BEEN ADOPTED YET.
THE HC AND HERE'S WHERE THE CLEAREST KIND PART IS.
THE ACCS ONLY ROLE AND IS, IS LOOKING AT THE GUIDELINES AND APPLYING YOUR GUIDELINES.
UH, YOU CAN BE AWARE OF WHAT THE ZONING ORDINANCE SAYS.
YOU CAN BE AWARE OF WHAT THE LAND USE PLAN SAYS, BUT THE ACCS ROLE IS NOT TO IMPLEMENT THE LAND USE PLAN OR THE DOWNTOWN PLAN.
IT'S TO IMPLEMENT THE HCCS GUIDELINES.
35 FEET WAS IN THERE IN REFERENCE IS CENTRAL BUSINESS AND CENTRAL BUSINESS.
THE THAT CLIENT IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE HAS CHANGED TO STORIES INSTEAD OF THE, TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBLE.
AND THAT CHANGE HAPPENED IN 2011, BUT WE HAVEN'T GONE IN AND CHANGED THAT IN IN THE A CC GUIDELINES.
THAT IS, IS THAT 35 FEET FROM THE ORIGINAL WHEN WE FIRST DID THE GUIDELINES OR HAS THAT BEEN CHANGED OVER A YEAR? IT WAS ORIGINAL FROM, SO 2002, 2002, THAT'S WHEN THAT NUMBER SHOWED UP HAS BEEN CORRECT.
AND IS THAT FROM FINISHED FLOOR? TO, TO WHAT? THE ORDINANCE DOESN'T REALLY SAY, OKAY, JUST FROM GRADE, YOU KNOW MM-HMM
SO, AND PLA ROOF THE BUILDING VERSUS THE SLOPE ROOT BUILDING.
THEY'RE ALL DIFFERENT WAYS TO RECEIVE HEIGHT.
SO I THINK THEY, THEY LEAD A LOT TO INTERPRETATION.
AND THERE'S SOME OTHER GRAPHICS THAT I DIDN'T INCLUDE IN THIS PRESENTATION THAT, THAT SHOW TRY TO SHOW GRAPHICALLY HOW THE HCC SHOULD LOOK AT HEIGHTS, BUT IN SHORT, WE SHOULD LOOK, LOOK WHAT'S AROUND IT, TRY TO TRY TO GET, GET OUR SCALE FROM THAT.
AND THEN ANYTIME YOU APPROVE A PROJECT, AND SO YOU MAY BE ASKED TO APPROVE THIS PROJECT AT SOME POINT, AND YOUR, YOUR CRITERIA IS TO USE THE GUIDELINES THAT THAT, THAT YOU HAVE, WHICH CAN BE AMENDED IF YOU WANT.
ULTIMATELY, THE MAYOR AND BOARD ADOPTS THE GUIDELINES WITH THE HTC RECOMMENDATION HERE.
UH, BUT AT, AND THE VERY LAST PART IS, IS THE WORK GONNA BE DONE IN A SUBSTANTIAL, WILL IT HAVE A SUBSTANTIAL ADVERSE IMPACT ON AESTHETIC, HISTORICAL ARCHITECTURAL SIGNIFICANCE AND VALUE OF EITHER THE PROPERTY ITSELF OR NEIGHBOR NEIGHBORING IMPROVEMENTS IN THE THE DISTRICT.
SO ESSENTIALLY THINKING ABOUT CONTEXT, AND THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY YOUR CRITERIA WHENEVER YOU APPROVE A CERTIFICATE, APPROPRIATE.
AS FOR, FOR THIS HOTEL OR THE HOUSE THAT YOU'RE GONNA DISCUSS LATER, LATER ON IN THE EVENING, IT'S HOW, HOW DOES IT AFFECT THE BUILDING, THE PROPERTY, THE CONTEXT ROOM THAT THAT STORE DISTRICT USING THE TOOLS THAT YOU HAVE? SO, SO QUESTION.
THAT WILL NOT HAVE A SUBSTANTIAL ADVERSE IMPACT.
SO IF WE WERE TO CONSIDER SOMETHING WOULD HAVE A SUBSTANTIAL POSITIVE IMPACT, WE CAN ALSO WAIT TO SOME EXTENT.
BUT I THINK WE'VE GOTTA WAIT, MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT CREATING AN ADVERSE IMPACT AND AND PROVIDING EVIDENCE AS TO WHY THAT COULD BE.
AND, AND WHEN YOU SEE THE DRAWINGS, UH, THAT, THAT THE APPLICANTS HAVE PROPOSED, I BELIEVE THEY ARE TRYING TO TIE IN WITH THE CONTEXT AND WE, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT.
BUT I THINK CITING WHY, AND YOU'RE NOT BEING ASKED TO TAKE YOUR VOTE TODAY, BUT WHEN IT, WHEN THE TIME COMES, WE NEED TO, AND IF YOU AGREE WITH THIS PROJECT, YOU'LL NEED TO EXPLAIN THE RECORD WHY, WHY IT DOES NOT CREATE AN ADVERSE IMPACT.
SO AGAIN, A CC APPLIES ITS GUIDELINES WITHIN THESE PARAMETERS.
YOU CAN BE AWARE OF THESE OTHER THINGS, BUT THEY'RE NOT REALLY WITHIN THE H C'S POWER ROLE.
IT COULD BE THAT THEY, IF, IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH IT, WHICH IS AN A A CC HAS TO MAKE A DECISION AND YOUR DECISION IS FINAL, AN APPEAL OF AN H DECISION DECISION GOES TO COURT.
IT DOESN'T GO TO THE BMA, THEY CAN'T GO TO THE BMA AND OVER, HAS TO OVERTURN THE HDCS DECISION.
THEY COULD GO, UH, FOR A PLAN DEVELOPMENT.
SO IF YOU'RE, IF YOU FIND THAT THE, THE HE SCALE ADDRESSES THE GUIDELINES, THEY COULD GO FORWARD AND ASK, ASK FOR A PLAN DEVELOPMENT TO GET FLEXIBILITY FROM THE ZONING TO GET, UH, A FOURTH OR A PI, THIS STORY.
SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, LOOKING AT THE CONTEXT 24 FEET, IT'S RIGHT AROUND WHERE THE OLD, UH, MAYBE THEATER USED TO BE AROUND 22 FEET BEFORE THE ARMY SURPLUS STORE.
UH, LOOKING AT THE BUILDING THAT'S ABOUT 20 YEARS OLD
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NOW, UH, ON NORTH MAIN IT'S AROUND 29 FEET, UH, ROUGHLY TWO, TWO STORIES.THE GREENS BUILDING 35, 33 FEET.
IT'S A COMPLEX BUILDING MM-HMM.
THAT YOU CAN MEASURE IT FROM LIKE EIGHT DIFFERENT WAYS AND COME UP WITH EIGHT DIFFERENT NUMBERS.
SO THIRD, 35 AND A HALF, THAT EXCLUDES THE LITTLE WALK UP.
AND 43 FEET FROM, IF YOU'RE STANDING, GOING NEXT TO THE EYE PLACE ALL THE WAY UP TO THE, THE TOP OF THE, THE ELEVATOR SHAFT.
SO IT'S, IT'S GOT, IT'S GOT SOME HEIGHT.
AND YOU'LL NOTICE THAT IS TALLER THAN 35 FEET.
SO THE HT C HAS LOOKED AT THIS PROPERTY BEFORE AND SAID, THIS IS DIFFERENT.
THERE WAS SOME PRECEDENT BEFORE BECAUSE OF THE BUILDING THAT WAS THERE BEFORE.
THIS IS THE LAST SLIDE I HAVE TO SHOW YOU BEFORE I TURN IT OVER TO THE APPLICANT.
AND THEN THE MID-SOUTH GIFTED BUILDING OVER AT CENTER AND SOUTH.
THE NEW BUILDING ACROSS THE STREET THAT WILL REPLACE GUSS IS ABOUT 38 FEET.
AND AGAIN, IT, IT CAN BE MEASURED FROM A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS.
WE COULD SLIGHTLY HIGHER MEASURE END.
IF YOU MEASURED TO COMPARE IT, THE ROAD DROPS OFF.
SO IT'S, IT'S HARD TO GET AN EXACT NUMBER, 38 FEET, BUT IT MIGHT GET UP TO 51, THE TOP OF THERE, UH, AMENITY PACKAGE.
AND I BELIEVE THE HCC TALKED ABOUT HOW THERE'S, THERE'S REALLY NOT A CONTEXT AROUND THERE.
SO THE TRUCTURE CLOSE 3, 3, 5.
BUT THEY DID, Y'ALL DID ALLOW IT FOR A FOURTH RECESS STORY ABOUT ONE MORE I MENTIONED.
UM, GIS WE DO HAVE A, UH, USING THAT LIDAR STUDY, WE DO HAVE REALLY GOOD INFORMATION ABOUT THE HEIGHTS OF ALL THE TREES IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
AND MIKE CLARK AND I WERE MEETING WITH OUR COMP PLAN CONSULTANTS 2050 PLAN.
WE WERE SITTING ON THE BENCH AT THE DEPOT AND WE WERE LOOKING ACROSS WHERE WE JUST REMOVED SOME TREES, WHICH WILL PROBABLY WORK AGAINST WHICH ALL OF US.
UH, BUT THEY WERE COMING DOWN ANYWAY.
UM, BUT THERE'S SOME TREES RIGHT HERE.
WE BELIEVE THESE TREES ARE RIGHT NEXT TO THE DENTAL CARES BUILDING.
AND SO THAT THE BUILDING MIGHT BE ABOUT THAT TALL.
THE, THOSE TREES ARE IN THE, IN THE SEVENTIES AND AT THE VERY TOP 7 76 FEET.
SO IT, IT, WE BELIEVE IT'S GOING TO BE VISIBLE FROM VARIOUS POINTS OF SQUARED.
IT WILL NOT BE OBSCURED BY THE NORTH SIDE OF THE SQUARE.
SO AT THIS POINT, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO JIM AND YOUR TEAM TO YEAH.
BUT THIS IS THE, UH, I'M
PROBABLY NOBODY HERE, BUT, UH, UH, HANK WRIGHT IS, UH, PROPERTY OWNER, AND DAN MC IS THE HOTEL GOLF LESBIAN.
THIS TOGETHER, UH, AND I'M GONNA MAKE A COUPLE COMMENTS ON, BUT TELL YOU WHAT THEY SEE AS A AGENT.
UH, THIS IS THE, UH, COLOR CONCEPT OF THIS IS THE FOUR STORY VERSION.
AND THE, THE, AND, AND WE SEE, WE LOOK AT THE FLOOR PLAN.
THIS IS SET BACK FROM THE, THE FOUR STORY SET BACK FROM THE, FROM THE THIRD.
SO, UH, IN THE RESTAURANT, UH, BAR AND ALL UP THERE.
UH, AND SO THIS PART IS NOT CHANGE, WHICH WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING, UH, SO NEXT, AND THAT'S JUST A DIFFERENT VIEW OF IT FROM, FROM, UH, AROUND
UH, AND THE, ON THE FAR RIGHT SIDE IS THE TOWER OF THE ROOMS RIGHT THERE.
THAT WOULD'VE ADDITIONAL, ADDITIONAL FLOOR ABOVE IT.
SO, UH, AND UH, I THINK THIS GIVES YOU A GOOD IDEA OF WHAT, SORRY, JIM, THAT THAT IS THE FIVE.
I THOUGHT THEY HADN'T DONE IT YET.
SO, SO, UH, SO WE WE'RE REAL TIME HERE.
WE HAVE THIS THING CHANGING EVERY WEEK.
UH, SO LET TO THE, UH, NEXT A SLIGHT LAYOUT.
UH, I'M LET DAN TAKE OVER HERE BASICALLY BEFORE HE DOES.
WE UNDERSTAND THE NATURE OF THE SQUARE.
WE UNDERSTAND THAT HISTORIC DISTRICT, UH, I'VE BEEN HERE 50 SOMETHING YEARS, UH, I'VE LIVED IN IT, UH,
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BUILT, BUILT SEVERAL BUILDINGS HERE.AND, UH, AND, AND WE KNOW THAT ANYTHING WE DO HAS TO FEED IN AND WE'RE NOT GONNA DO ANYTHING THAT DOESN'T FIT IN, THAT DOESN'T ENHANCE.
SO, UH, WITH THAT IN MIND, THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO GET YOUR INPUT ON TODAY.
YOU KNOW, WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR ALL THE COMMENTS ON THE ARCHITECTURAL TAKE IN WANT GIVE US, BUT WE BASICALLY WANT TO RESOLVE THIS FISCAL STORY ISSUE BECAUSE FROM A FINANCIAL STANDPOINT, THE PROJECT IS NOT VIABLE UNLESS WE GET FIVE, THREE BOTTOM LINE.
WE NEED TO GET ONE 12 ROOMS AND WE NEED AN EXTRA STORY TO GET.
SO, UH, ALRIGHT, DAN, DON'T YOU DESCRIBE WHAT WE'VE GOT IN THESE? SURE, YEAH.
UH, I'M WITH MAXIMUM HOSPITALITY.
UH, WE'RE A MEMPHIS COMPANY AND BEEN AROUND FOR 30 YEARS ALMOST.
SO, UH, AND, AND I'VE BEEN A PART OF 30 SOME ODD DIFFERENT, UH, GROUND UP HOTEL, HOTEL DEVELOPMENTS AROUND THE SOUTHEAST.
UM, AND, AND WE THINK THIS IS A REALLY UNIQUE, UH, OPPORTUNITY, NOT, NOT SO MUCH FOR US, BUT REALLY FOR CARVILLE.
UM, I, I THINK THAT THAT, UH, THE RIGHT HOTEL COULD REALLY ENHANCE WHAT IS GOING ON IN CARNIVAL.
AND, AND, AND I JUST WANT TO GET IT OUT IN THE OPEN THAT, THAT WE REALLY UNDERSTAND THAT THIS HAS GOTTA FIT CARNIVAL AND, AND, AND SO THE HEIGHT ISSUE DEFINITELY IS ON THE TABLE THERE.
AND IT IS A, IT'S AN ISSUE WE'VE GOTTA FIGURE OUT, UM, BECAUSE THE, THE TWO KIND OF CONTROLLING, UH, ITEMS ON THE SEESAW, IF YOU WILL, ARE THE NUMBER OF KEYS TO BE ABLE TO, TO SPREAD COST OUT, UH, AMONG A NUMBER OF KEYS.
AND SO 112 IS WHAT WE THINK IS THE BARE MINIMUM.
WE'D LOVE TO BE A HUNDRED TWENTY, A HUNDRED TWENTY FIVE, BUT, UH, 112 IS, IS WHAT WHERE WE ARE.
AND THAT IS WITH, WE'VE MET, WE'VE HAD, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY ITERATIONS OF PLANS, BUT, UH, WE'VE MET WITH MAYOR AND HER TEAM AND, UH, WANNA BE SENSITIVE TO, UH, FOLKS CONCERNS.
AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS IS, UH, OBVIOUSLY YOU, YOU SAW IN THE RENDERING, WE'VE GOT THREE STORIES FACING MAIN, UH, AND THEN THE ROOMS ARE BUILT BACK.
SO THERE'S TWO CONTROLLING FACTORS, ONE THAT THE NUMBER OF KEYS AND TWO, THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPOTS.
AND SO IF WE DON'T HAVE A FIFTH FLOOR, THE BUILDING GROWS WITH FOUR STORIES TO THE WEST AND, UH, AND EATS UP APPROXIMATELY 35 PARKING SPOTS.
THAT WOULD GET US BACK TO THE 112 KEITH.
UM, AND NOT ONLY THAT, IT MAKES THE FIRST FLOOR REALLY INEFFICIENT.
UM, THERE'S JUST A LOT OF WASTED SPACE DOWN THERE BECAUSE OUR INTENT IS TO USE, UM, THE BUILDING TO PLAN SOUTH, UM, UH, TO, TO HAVE IT AS MEETING SPACE AND BANK FACILITY AS AN ARMY SERVICE BUILDING.
UH, WE WOULD, WE WOULD INTEND TO KEEP THAT, UH, AS IS AND, AND, UH, NOT KNOCK IT DOWN AND BUILD ANOTHER ONE, YOU, YOU, UH, THAT CURRENT BUILDING.
AND SO, UM, UH, I, I SAY ALL THIS JUST BECAUSE THAT, THAT'S HOW WE GOT TO THE FIVE STORIES.
WE WANTED TO BE SENSITIVE TO THE VIEW FROM MAIN STREET.
AND SO THE TOWER PART THAT JIM TALKED ABOUT IS SET BACK, UM, IF IT'S VISIBLE FROM, YOU KNOW, 12 O'CLOCK IF YOU WILL, AT MAIN STREET, I THINK IT'S GONNA BE MINIMAL.
AND I THINK WE HAVE A LOT OF TREE COVERAGE, BUT, BUT WE DO NEED THOSE FIVE STORIES TO BE ABLE TO PARK 85 SPACES, UM, AND, AND, UH, HAVE PARKING ON SITE.
UM, OUTSIDE OF THAT, UM, OUR INTENTION IS, IS IS TO DO A SOFT BRANDED HOTEL.
UM, IT WOULD REALLY BE A, A BOUTIQUEY HOTEL THAT WOULD BE, UM, IN KEEPING WITH CARVAL, BUT ALSO TIP THE HAT TO CARNIVAL'S, YOU KNOW, HISTORY AND, AND THE COOLEST PLAYER THAT CARVAL HAS, ESPECIALLY IN THE SQUARE.
AND SO, UM, WE WOULD PLAN ON BEING AN AFFILIATE OF LIKE A HILTON OR A MARRIOTT, BUT IT WOULD, IT WOULD HAVE ITS OWN UNIQUE NAME.
IT WOULD BE A, UH, KIND OF A DESTINATION HOTEL AND, AND, UH, IT'D BE A REALLY COOL THING THAT I THINK CARBO WOULD BE PROUD OF FOR THE NEXT 30, 40 YEARS.
SO WITH, WITH THAT BEING SAID, YOU, YOU CAN SEE THE ROOM LAYOUTS, UH, ON THERE.
UM, THE TOP LEFT CORNER SHOWS, UH, THAT BIG L ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT OF, OF THE TOP LEFT PICTURE IS THE KITCHEN AND, AND A DINING ROOM AND A BAR.
UM, AND SO WE WOULD HAVE KIND OF STOREFRONT RESTAURANT THAT PEOPLE COULD WALK UP TO.
UM, OBVIOUSLY THE ELEVATORS ARE RIGHT NEXT
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TO THAT.ALL THE BACK OF THE HOUSE STUFF IS PRETTY MUCH ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THAT, THAT L-SHAPED, UM, FLOOR PLAN.
AND THEN WHEN YOU GO UP TO THE THIRD FLOOR, UH, THAT'S WHERE, UM, OUR PLAN IS TO HAVE KIND OF A SKYBAR ON THE THIRD FLOOR WHERE ANYBODY, UH, LOCALS AND GUESTS COULD COME, UH, HAVE A DRINK, UM, HAVE A SMALL PLATE AND, UH, ENJOY KIND OF BEING UP HIGH.
AND, AND, UH, AND ONE MORE GAME.
I THOUGHT THERE WAS, I THOUGHT THERE BAR ON THERE, MAYBE IT'S NOT.
YEAH, WELL, IT, IT, IT'S, IT, IT, THAT'S IT RIGHT THERE.
WE, WE'VE DONE A NUMBER OF 'EM AND THIS WOULD HAVE AN INDOOR ELEMENT AS WELL AS AN OUTDOOR ELEMENT, SO YOU COULD USE IT NO MATTER WHAT THE WEATHER WAS.
UM, AND SO, AND NOT TO MENTION SOME COVERAGE, UH, FROM THE WEATHER OUT THERE ON THE EXTERIOR AS WELL.
SO WE WANT THIS TO BE A REALLY COOL PLACE THAT, THAT, UH, ANY AND EVERYBODY, UH, WOULD, WOULD WANT TO ENJOY.
AND SO, UH, UH, WITH THAT BEING SAID, I, I DON'T KNOW IF I'VE MISSED ANYTHING ELSE, BUT HANK FEEL FREE TO JUMP IN.
I, I ASK YOU A QUICK QUESTION.
YOU'RE TALKING ON THE L PART BEHIND THE FRONT BUILDING.
WHAT IS THAT SPACE? IS THAT, UH, PATIO AREA OR WHAT DID, WHAT DID YOU GO, WHAT'S THAT? THAT, THAT, THAT, UH, PART, HE HAD THE CURSOR ON THE RIGHT PICTURE, RIGHT BEHIND THE FRONT BUILDING THE LI GUESS IT'S RIGHT.
ON THE, THE, WHAT'S THE, THE GROUND BESIDE THE, THE FIVE STORY RIGHT THERE IS, UH, SO ON THE GROUND FLOOR THERE, THERE'S BACKING HOUSE, LAUNDRY, UM, EMPLOYEE BREAK ROOM, UH, ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICES FOR THE STAFF.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS L-SHAPED LIKE THIS, WHY IS THE BUILDING NOT WIDER? GOT IT.
SO, UM, THE, THE, THE, THE BUILDING IS WHAT IS TRADITIONALLY THE MOST EFFICIENT WAY TO BUILD A HOTEL IS A DOUBLE LOADED CORRIDOR, THEY CALL IT.
AND SO YOU'VE GOT A CORRIDOR GOING DOWN THE MIDDLE, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT ROOMS OFF OF THAT.
AND SO I THINK WE'RE ROUGHLY 66 FEET WIDE.
AND THAT, THAT, UH, ALLOWS FOR A, A FIVE AND A HALF FOOT CORRIDOR PLUS ROOMS ON BOTH SIDES.
SORRY, OUT THERE, OUT EXTERIOR.
WE HAVE SOME GREEN SPACE OUT THERE.
THAT COMES OUT OF THE CONCRETE.
AND UH, AND ALSO THE, THE ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE ENTRANCE ENTRANCE, THE ENTRANCE WILL BE ON THIS SIDE NEXT TO THE GENERAL OFFICE.
WHAT OPTIONS DO YOU HAVE FOR LANDSCAPING? YOU DON'T HAVE A LOT OF EXTRA SPACE.
DO YOU HAVE ENOUGH FOR PUTTING SOME TREES OR ANYTHING? WE, WE DO HAVE SOME GREEN AREAS, UH, INCLUDING OUT IN THE PARKING LOT AREA AS WELL.
BUT YEAH, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, WE HAVE NOT GOTTEN SUPER DEEP IN LANDSCAPING.
BUT OUR INTENT WOULD BE TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS, UH, WE GET SOME GOOD BREAKOUT.
THERE ARE A COUPLE OF RESIDENTS BEHIND YOU RELATED.
SO, SO THIS, BY THE WAY, THE RIGHT HOTELS, NO UNINTENDED, RIGHT? IT'S NOT GONNA BE THE NAME OF IT.
PREVIOUSLY, THIS IS FAR AWAY FROM WHERE THAT PARKING GARAGE WAS.
SO THERE'S A, UM, DO YOU HAVE ANGLE VIEWS LIKE FROM DIFFERENT STREETS THAT WE COULD SEE YOU'RE STANDING THERE AT THE EYE LEVEL, WHAT YOU WOULD SEE AT DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES? GREAT QUESTION.
I THINK THEY'VE GOT THIS ON THE GIS AND SO THIS, THE, THE APPLICANTS WERE GREAT TO WORK WITH.
THEY GAVE US THIS MODEL AND RENDERED UP A GREAT MODEL.
AND BRENT AND HIS, HIS GIS TEAM, AND THEY, THEY HAVE CREATED, UH, LIKE A VIRTUAL CARVILLE.
SO THESE BUILDINGS ARE, THEY DON'T LOOK EXACTLY LIKE THE BUILDINGS, BUT THE HEIGHTS ARE, ARE GENERALLY THERE.
EVEN THE WATER TOWER DON'T LAUGH AT IT.
SO JAMIE LOOKS ACTUALLY REPRESENTS TOPOGRAPHY THAT'S THERE TOO, RIGHT? RIGHT.
AS FAR AS THE, THE BASE ITSELF, YES.
THE TOPOGRAPHY SHOULD BE PRETTY CLOSE.
THE MODEL ITSELF IS, IS A FLAT BOTTOM MODEL.
SO IT'S, IT'S KIND OF JUST SET IN PLACE.
BUT IF THE RAILROAD TRACK IS LOWER THAN MULBERRY STREET.
SO WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS AS CLOSE TO REALITIES YOU'RE GONNA GET.
SO THROUGH THIS COLLABORATION, WE, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO CREATE SOME, SOME VIEWS THAT WE CAN WALK YOU THROUGH.
AND IT TURNS OUT HERE'S, HERE'S LIKE A, THE STARTING VIEW.
YOU CAN SEE THE, WHAT I'LL CALL IT, THE SCOTT SC BAR.
SCOTT BAR, THIS STORY EXISTING ARMY SURPLUS THAT WE'D
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BE SAVED.ONE THING THAT I WOULD POINT OUT FOR THE HCC, HAVING THIS DIFFERENT COLOR AT THE BASE AND THIS REALLY STRONG STOREFRONT, IT TIES INTO WHAT'S GOING ON HERE.
SO THAT IS A, A CONTEXT
SO IS THERE ANY TALK ABOUT THE ALLEY, IS THE ALLEY GONNA BE STILL SOMEWHAT ACCESSIBLE? I ONLY SAY THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE A FUNCTION THERE EVERY YEAR.
SO WE'LL GO, WE CAN ZOOM, I'M GONNA ZOOM THROUGH THE LAYOUTS AND THEN WE'LL, WE CAN ZOOM ANYWHERE YOU WANT TO GO.
SO THIS IS LOOKING DOWN THE STREET, YOU CAN SEE THAT WHERE YOUR EYE TAKES YOU DOWN, WHERE IT TIES IN WITH THE, WITH THE HEIGHTS, ENDED UP PICKING A LOT OF THE RESTAURANTS.
SO THIS IS LIKE FROM, IF YOU COME OUT OF MAY'S TAVERN AND YOU'RE GOING DOWN THE STEPS, YOU'LL SEE IT'S STICKING UP OVER THE FORMER BIBLE, THE MCGINNIS, STEP OUT MCGINNIS.
THEN YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE IT STICKING OUT PRETTY, PRETTY PRIVATELY AND SEE HOW THIS INTERPLAYS TOGETHER, HOW THAT FEELS VERSUS
UH, THIS IS THE HALL'S HOUSE, SO YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE IT PROBABLY THROUGH THE TREES WE PLANTED THROUGH THE TREES.
SO THEY'RE SOMEWHAT TRANSPARENT, BUT YOU CAN SEE THAT IT MM-HMM
PROBABLY WENT IN THE WINTERTIME.
SO IF WE GO AT COLLEGE AND WALNUT STREET RIGHT NEXT TO THE TOP, TOM BROOKS PARK AND SCHOOL, WE'LL BE ABLE TO SEE IT STICKING UP OVER THERE.
AND ANY NEW TREES THAT THEY PLANT WOULD HELP ZOOM AROUND IF YOU HOP OUT OF DYERS AND WHERE THESE ARE FROM.
IT'S, IT MAY NOT BE EXACTLY HUMAN MIND, IT MAY BE UP, IT'S IN YEAH.
SO YEAH, WE SHOULD, WE TALKED WITH MIKE CLARK ABOUT IT AND HE'S LIKE, WELL, THERE'S ALSO A RACE SIDEWALK.
SO THERE, THERE ARE ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT POINTS THAT GO UP AND DOWN AROUND THE SQUARE.
WHAT'S A LITTLE CONFUSED TO ME WHEN I LOOK AT THAT RIGHT THERE IS, IT'S FIVE STORIES BACK THERE.
AND THIS ILLUSTRATION IS SHOWING THAT ONLY TWO LEVELS ARE HIDDEN BY IMMENSE DEPTH MM-HMM.
AND TALL BUILT AND THE TWO STORY HEIGHT BUILDINGS.
PERSONALLY, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA SEE AS MUCH AS WHAT THIS IS SHOWING.
JUST IF YOU STAND THERE, SOMEBODY ELSE THAT MAKES THAT THING LOOK TALLER IS ITS COLORED.
AND NONE OF THE OTHER BUILDINGS.
SO IF YOU YEAH, IF THE OTHER EXISTING BUILDINGS WERE THE SAME COLOR FOR YOUR LAWYER, THEN IT WOULD
AND I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE SITE PLAN IN THIS BUILDING AS, I DON'T THINK IT'S AS MUCH AS WHAT WE'RE SEEING.
I THINK THIS MIGHT ACTUALLY BE EXAGGERATING TO BE TAGGED IN FAVOR.
I THINK WE'RE GONNA SEE THAT LADY.
SO ONE THING I THINK IS NEAT TO, AS YOU'RE GOING DOWN MAIN STREET, THE EXISTING OAK TREES THAT ARE IN FRONT OF THE DENTAL OFFICE PRETTY MUCH OBSCURE THE, THE BUILDING.
YOU HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE ALLEYS.
THIS DOESN'T INCLUDE ANYTHING WITH THE ALLEY, BUT THE ALLEY OWNED BUY MULTIPLE PROPERTY OWNED.
WELL, THERE WAS TALK WHEN THEY, THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THE GARAGE THAT MAYBE THAT WAS ALL GONNA GET UPDATED, BUT THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING.
BECAUSE IT'S GOT A LOT OF DOWN THE ROAD, MAYBE IT'S GOT A LOT OF, SOME OF THESE PARKING SPACES ON WHERE THEY'RE OR STORAGE BUILDINGS.
IT'D BE NICE FOR ANY NEW TREES TO BE WHAT I CALL REAL TREES.
WE'RE GONNA TRY TO FIND SOMETHING THAT LOOK JUST LIKE THEY USED
GOOD LUCK WORKED AT DISNEY DEVELOP.
JAMIE, COULD YOU GO BACK TO THIS? TO THE YOU FROM FROM YES.
I HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE FIRST FLOOR.
IT DOES NOT LOOK LIKE, UH, SIMILAR TO OR RELATED TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
CAN WE GET TO THAT RENDERING? I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY A BETTER YEAH, THAT'S IT.
JUST, IT'S, AND THAT'S BETTER.
BUT IT JUST, UH, I'M TRYING TO SEE HOW THE, HOW THAT ELEVATION FITS WITH WHAT ELSE WE GOT GOING ON RIGHT NEXT DOOR
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INTERESTING IS IF YOU COMPARE IT TO THE ARMY SURPLUS, IT'S JUST CLOSE.IF YOU GET AROUND TO THE SQUARE, IT'S LOW OFF.
A DIFFERENT DEALERSHIP HAD BIG IN IN THAT REGARD.
MR. COX, I, THE OTHER COMMENT I, I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT IS I LOOK AT THIS, I THINK IT'S AN ATTRACTIVE BUILDING, BUT IT'S A STRAIGHT BUILDING.
AND I'M WONDERING IF THERE COULD BE SOME ARTICULATION.
BECAUSE TYPICALLY WE JUST WENT THROUGH THIS ON THE SQUARE.
WE HAVE ARTICULATED, NOT THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO MIMIC, BUT ARTICULATED SMALLER FORM.
AND IT'D BE REALLY EASY WHEN YOU LOOK AT YOUR, UM, BASE FACING HVAC OR BETWEEN EACH ROOM, YOU KNOW, IT'S THAT JUST RECESS AND, AND SO YOUR SIDE WASN'T CONTINUALLY STRAIGHT.
IT WOULD GIVE SOME DEPTHS TO IT.
THINK IT'S SIMILAR, THE SIDE LOOKING AT THE, UH, THE ROOM TOWEL FOR SILVER MONITOR UPSTAIRS.
YOU HAVE A ROOM TOWEL? NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT NO, WITH BENCH MAIN STREET THERE.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO A POLISH OR STICKING OUT.
YOU CAN ACTUALLY HAVE THOSE AREAS RECESSED.
SEE WE HAD, SO THIS IS, THIS IS THE MACKLEMORE'S DOWN THE ROAD, SOUTH STREET MAIN STREET.
UM, THIS IS GUS'S OLD BUILDING.
I, I HAVE A FEELING THAT'S A RENDERING, BUT I HAVE A FEELING THAT'S SIMILAR IN STYLE AND STRUCTURE.
I THINK IT'S GONNA BE BETTER IN REAL LIFE THAN, I MEAN, I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT I THINK WE'VE APPROVED KIND OF THAT MODERN MM-HMM.
IT IS A NEW BUILDING ON THE FIRST FLOOR.
IT GETS TRADITIONAL AS WE GO BRICK UP.
UM, YOU REMEMBER I FLUSHED ABOUT THE OTHER ONE?
AND I SEE YOUR, I TOTALLY GET YOUR POINT.
THE OTHER THING THAT I THINK IS ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT I HAVE IS IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR COLOR RENDERING.
HAMPTON, I THINK THAT LOOKS LIKE YOU AND THAT LOOKS LIKE ME.
I, IT'S THE FIRST TIME THAT WE'VE BEEN TOGETHER SINCE WE DIDN'T CREATE IT.
I, I'M PICKING ON LITTLE THINGS HERE, BUT, UH, JUST LIKE BILL MENTIONED THE STOREFRONT, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR COLOR RENDERING LOOK VERY ATTRACTIVE.
IF YOU LOOK AT THIS RABBIT, THE STAIR TOWER, THE SEE THAT THERE LOOKS NOT TOO BAD, BUT IF YOU GO TO THIS RENDERING, THE SCALE OF THAT BAREFOOT WALL IS RIDICULOUSLY TALL.
AND I I KNOW Y'ALL COULD PULL RIGHT THERE.
THAT, THAT'S JUST, YOU CAN PULL THAT DOWN.
AND I KNOW THIS IS PROBABLY ROUGH S SCHEMATICS, BUT JUST LITTLE THINGS.
THOSE ARE THE THINGS WE'RE GONNA LOOKING AT.
DO YOU HAVE, DO WE HAVE QUESTIONS SPECIFIC TO ANYTHING OR WE JUST WANNA KEEP LOOKING? YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT SKYLINE.
I I, THE CLOSER YOU GET TO THE NORTH SIDE, THE LESS YOU'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO SEE OPPOSITE, BECAUSE THE OTHER BUILDINGS ARE TALLER.
SO I, I JUST, YOU KNOW, I LIKE THE PROJECT A LOT AND I DON'T WANT IT TO BE A, AN EYESORE AND A HUGE MONOLITH DINOSAUR UP THERE, BUT I REALLY DON'T REALLY DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE, I THINK IT'S, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW TALL THEY ARE, BUT THERE ARE TWO PARKING GARAGES IN, IN FRANKLIN BELIEVE IT IS.
AND IF YOU'RE NOT, IF YOU DON'T REALLY LOOK FOR 'EM, YOU DON'T FALL.
YOU JUST, THEY JUST KIND OF THAT'S RIGHT.
AND I THINK THAT'S KIND OF HOW THIS IS GONNA BE.
WELL I THINK THE POSITIONING OF THIS TOO, IT'S GONNA SATISFY MORE OF THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE BACK BEHIND THERE.
'CAUSE THAT GARAGE WAS GONNA GO SO MUCH FURTHER BACK.
THAT'S, WELL, I MIGHT MAKE ONE OBSERVATION.
THIS IS GONNA BE THE PREMIER PROJECT ABILITY IN DOWNTOWN.
WHY SHOULDN'T IT BE THE TALLEST? I MEAN, IT'S JUST, UH, IT SHOULD BE COMMON, BUT YEAH.
GOING WHAT ELSE? TO COME? YOU GOTTA START SOMEWHERE.
WELL, IF WE GET THIS, WE'LL GET SOME THAT'S RIGHT.
UM, FROM MY KNOWLEDGE AND, AND HISTORY AND HOTEL WORK, WHAT YOU SAID WAS, UH, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY KNOWS YOU TRIED TO GET 120 KEYS STARTING POINT.
SO I WAS, I I FIGURED WHEN BEFORE WE LOOKED AT THIS, IT'D BE 120 THAT YOU'RE AT 112, I KNOW WHERE YOU'RE GOING.
I JUST TELL Y'ALL LESS THAN THAT FINANCIAL.
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HE'S NOT BLOWING SMOKE.UH, SO WE, IF WE EVER WANT A HOTEL IN DOWNTOWN CARNIVAL, I'M HIGHLY SUPPORTIVE OF IT, JUST IN GENERAL.
BUT I THINK IT DONE A GOOD JOB AND I THINK IT'S A LOT OF SUBTLETIES THAT IT CAN BE, UH, ENHANCED TO BE EXCELLENT.
I THINK I'LL SAY ONE MORE LONG PARAGRAPH.
I'LL, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YEAR MAIN STREET STARTED, BUT WAY LONG TIME AGO, MAIN STREET CAME TO COVILLE.
UH, THE SQUARE HAD BEEN REMODELED MAYBE AFTER THAT.
AND TO TRY TO, TO TRY TO ATTRACT BUSINESSES.
WE DID THE DOWNTOWN SMALL AREA PLAN TO GET MORE PEOPLE DOWNTOWN.
AND THAT'S WORKED AND IT'S HELPED.
ALL OF THAT IS TO MAKE WHAT WE HAVE AND WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE WANTS WORK.
AND WE'RE NOT ABLE TO GET $40 A SQUARE FOOT LIKE THEY'RE GETTING IN SOME LIKE SHILLINGS, GETTING ALL THAT.
SO IT, BUT TO STAY VIABLE AND TO STAY, UH, POPULAR WITH SHOP OWNERS, YOU GOTTA GET MORE PEOPLE DOWN HERE.
I THINK THIS HAS THE POTENTIAL OF BEING, UH, AFFECTING POSITIVE THE DOWNTOWN AS MUCH AS, AS THE INFIELD HOUSING IS DONE, MAYBE MORE.
WE TOOK A TOUR OF VILLE BROTHERS A MONTH OR SIX WEEKS AGO ON EAST PLANET ROAD, AND THE CEO TOOK US ON A LITTLE TOUR AND ONE OF THE GENTLEMEN ASKED, WHAT CAN KAI WILL DO FOR YOU THAT WOULD REALLY HELP YOUR BUSINESS? THE ONLY THING HE SAID IS, WE NEED AN UPSCALE HOTEL.
WE'VE GOT PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD COMING HERE MM-HMM
AND WHILE WHAT WE HAVE IS NOT BAD, IT'S ADEQUATE, YOU KNOW, BUT WE NEED AN UPSCALE HOTEL FOR THESE PEOPLE TO COME STAY IN CORPORATE TYPE PEOPLE.
SO I THOUGHT THAT WAS VERY TELLING AND VERY INTERESTING.
SO IF WE CAN KIND GET HAPPY WITH THIS, I'M, I'M, UH, I'M IN FAVOR OF IT.
I THINK IT'S GONNA BE GREAT FOR, FOR COTTON.
THINK YOU'VE DONE A GOOD JOB OF PUTTING THE SCALE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BOTTOM WHERE IT'S JUST, IT'S LESS PHYSICAL.
IT'S BALANCE BETWEEN THE WINGS THAT'S YEAH.
WHAT ABOUT THE STREET? THE, I KNOW WHEN YOU GET TO YOUR DETAILS, BUT THE SIDEWALK IS POLITICAL.
YOU COULD, BECAUSE RIGHT THERE IS THE WALKING PRO PROGRESSION FROM THERE DOWN TO THE REST OF THE SQUARE.
SO WHAT YOU DO IS GONNA BE VERY IMPORTANT TO MAKE PEOPLE WANT TO BE ON THAT SIDEWALK AND WALK TO, SO IT'S TIGHT, IT'S TIGHT RIGHT THERE.
IT'S, IT IS TIGHT I LOOKING AT, AT THIS LOCATION, BUT WHEN YOU ACTUALLY SORT OF SET THE BUILDING IN THE SITE AND BUILD A SIDEWALK OUT TO THE PROPERTY LINE AND TO THE RIGHT OF WAY, ALL OF A SUDDEN THERE'S A LOT OF SPACE HERE ACTUALLY STARTED DOING DEVELOPMENT AND WE'VE MADE A, A SPECIFIC POINT OF PUTTING ACTIVATED USES THERE ON THE STREET AT THE FIRST FLOOR SO THAT, THAT EXPERIENCE IS ENGAGING.
SORRY, I DIDN'T KNOW PUT THIS TOGETHER.
FIGURED YOU, HE WAS TALKING ABOUT IS THERE LIKE CONFERENCE ROOM SPACE AND ALSO THE, UH, SURPLUS AS WELL.
SO THE RESTAURANT OCCUPIES THAT SOUTHEAST OR THERE'S AN ENTRANCE TO THE HOTEL THAT ACTUALLY FRONTS ON MAIN STREET AND THEN ANOTHER ENTRANCE ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE THAT HEADS UP TOWARDS THE PARKING, WHICH IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS WE TALKED UP.
WHAT HAPPENS IN THAT WHOLE, THAT LINKAGE BETWEEN THE FRONT AND BACK IS WHAT MAKES IT HELPS TO MAKE THAT HOTEL PLAN WORK AND STILL REMAIN THE STREET.
IS THAT ALL Y'ALL HAVE? WE'LL JUST ASK IF WE HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS.
MISSIONERS, DO Y'ALL HAVE ANYTHING MORE? NO, NO.
BILL, WHAT YOU GOT
I'LL MAKE, I'LL MAKE NO, NO, IT'S FINE BUDDY.
MY QUESTION WAS THE ARMY SURPLUS BUILDING, AND THAT MAY BE THE WHOLE BUILDING.
I THOUGHT IT WAS A LITTLE DEEPER THAN WHAT THIS RENDERING SHOWED.
THERE'S A 10 PART BACK THERE AND I YEAH, BUT I THOUGHT IT WAS, MAYBE IT WAS GONNA BE SO IF YOU REALLY GET CUT OFF A LITTLE SHORTER, BUT, BUT ANYTIME WE TO LOOK AT THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE THERE IN THE BLACK ROOF MM-HMM
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SORT OF CONTRIBUTING, FUN, CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE FROM THE HISTORIC DISTRICT STANDPOINT.AND THE REST OF THOSE ARE SMALLER AND LOWER QUALITY ADDITIONS.
BUT, BUT, BUT THAT'S NOT PART OF THE PROPERTY IS IT? RIGHT.
IT'S, YEAH, THOSE, THOSE WAREHOUSE.
AND, AND THE ARMY CIRCLE ITSELF IS AROUND BEACH 500 SQUARE FEET WITHOUT THOSE OUTBUILDING, IT'S, IT IS, IT IS IN GREAT SHAPE.
IT'S REALLY COOL INSIDE, YOU KNOW, IT'LL BE A GREAT VENUE.
YOU GOOD? AND MOVE ON THE NEXT.
YOU SURE? THE NEXT PRESENTATION.
DO YOU WANNA SIT UP HERE, ALLISON, OR DO YOU WANT ME TO, CAN, SO THIS IS A PROJECT I KNOW Y'ALL ARE FAMILIAR WITH.
I THINK THIS IS THE THIRD GENERATION, UM, FOR 2 43 COLLEGE STREET.
UM, YOU GUYS GOT A, UH, BRIEF MEMO FOR STAFF, UM, AND THEN YOU GOT, UM, THESE PLANS FROM, UM, FROM THEIR, UM, THEIR DESIGNER.
AND THEN YOU'VE ALSO GOT A HAND DRAWN FRONT ELEVATION THAT WAS DONE BY, UM, I'M NOT SURE, UH, WHO, BUT SOMEONE WHO HAS EXPERIENCE IN EXPLORED THIS.
UM, BUT JAMIE, IF YOU WANTED TO FLIP THROUGH A PULL ABOUT THE MOST RECENT ELEVATION, THESE ARE THE MOST RECENT ELEVATIONS.
UM, AND THE MEMO, UM, KIND OF DESCRIBES, UM, WHAT THE FEEDBACK WAS FROM HDC IN JULY AND HOW THESE ELEVATIONS, UM, DO AND DO NOT, UM, MEATLESS, UM, OR COMPLY WITH THE FEEDBACK, UM, THAT, THAT, THAT YOU GUYS GAVE.
UM, I THINK THE, THE BIG ONE WOULD BE, UM, THE PORCH EXTENDING THE LENGTH OF THAT FRONT FACADE.
UM, Y'ALL'S, UH, COMMENTS IN JULY WITH THAT, THAT RIDGE JUST REALLY GONNA PREDOMINANTLY BE ON THE EAST SIDE OF THAT FRONT FACADE AND THAT THAT FRONT GABLE WAS GONNA REMAIN AS IS.
UM, BUT YOU CAN SEE THESE, THESE FRONT ELEVATIONS, IT'S BEEN PULLED OUT.
I THINK THE APPLICANTS REALLY WANT THAT LONGER FRONT PORCH ON THAT FRONT ELEVATION.
I KNOW, YOU KNOW, KATHY AND JOE ARE HERE TONIGHT.
IF THEY WANTED TO, UM, TO, TO SAY ANYTHING.
UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, UM, ON THE WESTERN ELEVATION, UH, I DO THINK THEY DID, UH, A GOOD JOB.
THEY, THEY HEARD WHAT YOU GUYS WERE SAYING, UM, THERE, THESE, THESE WINDOWS, UM, ON THE EXISTING PORTION OF THE HOUSE ON THAT FIRST FLOOR, UM, THOSE WINDOWS, UM, THEY STILL DO NOT LINE UP WITH THE EXISTING WINDOWS.
UM, NOT SURE IF, IF, IF THAT IS INTENTIONAL OR, YOU KNOW, PERHAPS THAT'S, THAT'S UNINTENTIONAL AND, AND SOMETHING THAT THE DESIGNER WILL NEED TO FIX, UM, BEFORE THE FINAL, UH, PLANS ARE DRAWN UP.
BUT, UM, I KNOW KATHY, IF YOU, IF YOU AND JOE WANTED TO, TO ADD ANYTHING ELSE, UM, I THOUGHT THE WINDOWS WERE FIXED.
UM, WHERE THEY, THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE BACK WHERE THEY ORIGINALLY WERE AND UM, THINK THEY ARE.
THEY'RE OH, THEY ARE, THEY'RE, YEAH.
IT'S JUST THAT FRONT ONE'S GONE AND THEN THE NEXT THREE ARE OKAY THERE.
AND SO THEN THE, ONCE THE NEW PART OF THE HOUSE GETS BUILT ON THE BACK, THEN WE MADE SURE THAT THAT WINDOW WHERE, I GUESS THAT'S THE FOURTH WINDOW, IS IN THE MASTER BEDROOM.
THAT LAST WINDOW IS IN THE BATHROOM JUST TO GIVE MORE WINDOWS ON THAT SIDE.
UM, WHAT HAPPENED WAS AFTER THAT, OUR LAST MEETING, WE WENT HOME AND OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO USE OUR TOOLS THAT WE CAN, AND WE DID THE PICTURE AND I ABSOLUTELY CRIED.
AND I SAID I WANTED TO SELL THE HOUSE.
IT WAS THE SAME EXACT UGLY HOUSE WHEN EVERYTHING SHIFTED OVER TO WHERE THE PORCH WAS AND WE PUT SOME COLUMNS UP THERE, IT WAS THE SAME UGLY HOUSE TO ME.
AND I SAID, UM, I'VE WORKED REALLY, REALLY HARD AS A NURSE PRACTITIONER AND I DON'T WANNA PAY THAT KIND OF MONEY FOR THAT.
AND SO, UM, WE REALLY WEREN'T GETTING ANYWHERE.
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WE DECIDED THAT WE WOULD CONSULT WITH SOMEONE THAT DID WORK IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.AND, UM, THAT PERSON WAS KIND ENOUGH TO, TO ACTUALLY LOOK AT THE HOUSES THAT SURROUNDED OUR AREA.
AND, UM, THIS EXACT HOUSE, WELL THIS HOUSE, IF YOU DIDN'T EXTEND THE PORCH ALL THE WAY IS TWO HOUSES DOWN.
AND THEN, UM, THE SMALL PORCH THAT WAS ON THE OTHER SIDE WAS JUST KIND OF THROWING EVERYTHING OFF.
AND SO, UM, HE SUGGESTED MAKING THAT INTO MORE OF A SUNROOM, WHICH IS THREE HOUSES DOWN, HAS A SUNROOM.
AND, UH, SO IT ABSOLUTELY LOOKS LIKE WE TOOK TWO HOUSES AND PUT 'EM TOGETHER TO COME UP WITH THIS HOUSE.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT GIVES ME THE PORCH THAT I REALLY, REALLY WANT.
IT GIVES US A BONUS SUNROOM THAT WE ABSOLUTELY LOVE AND UM, REALLY MAKES ME BE OKAY WITH, WITH ALL OF THE CHANGES.
AND, AND SO I KNOW WHAT WE SAID AND I'M SORRY, I JUST, THAT HOUSE THAT WE ENDED UP WITH THE LAST TIME, IT, I JUST DIDN'T, IT, IT, I BEGGED JOE DID LET FOR US TO JUST SELL IT AFTER THAT.
I BEGGED HIM AND HE SAID, WELL, LET'S JUST KEEP ON WORKING ON IT.
AND THEN THAT'S WHEN, UM, WE HAD THIS VERY SKILLED PERSON COME IN AND HELP US WITH, WITH THE DESIGNS AND TO LISTEN TO WHAT WE WERE SAYING AND HELP US FIGURE IT OUT.
AND THE WINGS ON THE SIDE ACTUALLY WOULD BE WHERE THE OLD AND THE NEW MM-HMM
AND THEN WE'LL JUST PUT, THAT'S WHERE OUR FENCE WILL GO.
I THINK THE FRONT ELEVATION LOOKS, UH, SO MUCH BETTER.
I MEAN, JUST COMPLETELY CHANGES TO LITTLE THE HOUSE AND JUST, YOU KNOW, JUST SO MUCH BETTER FOR YOU.
SO YOU, THE, THE LOWER ROOF IS WHERE THE OLD HOUSE IS AND THE TALLER ROOF IS WHERE THE NEW IS.
SO THAT'S NICE BECAUSE BEFORE IT WAS FROM ONE END TO THE OTHER.
AND THAT'S WHY THE PORCH SEEMS SO WRONG AND SO LONG.
IT SEEMS MUCH MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THE HEIGHT THAN THE SCALE.
UH, THE ONE LITTLE BITTY THING I'D PICK ON A LITTLE BIT IS IF YOU GO BACK TO THE FRONT ELEVATION AND IT'S SO CLOSE 'CAUSE THIS IS SO MUCH BETTER THAN IT WAS, BUT THE DORMER WINDOWS, THERE'S THAT LITTLE BITTY PIECE OF SIDING.
IF YOU WOULD JUST ASK, UH, YOUR MR. SULLIVAN TO SHOW ONE PIECE OF TRIM, AND I THINK THAT PROBABLY, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, THAT OTHER HOUSE, INSTEAD OF HAVING A WINDOW, A TINY PIECE OF SIDING AND A TINY PIECE OF TRIM GO, IF WE COULD GO BACK TO THAT PICTURE STREET MEETING.
THAT WHERE YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE HOUSE THAT WAS SIMILAR OH.
I'M PRETTY SURE THAT HAD A SINGLE PIECE OF TRIM AT THE DORMER THAT RIGHT.
SEE THAT, THAT DOESN'T HAVE THAT SKINNY PIECE INSIDE THERE.
AND IF HE WOULD DO THE DORMERS LIKE THAT, I THINK, MAN, I WOULD.
BUT I THINK ALL ALONE, AND I DID GO BACK AND ASK HIM ABOUT THAT.
HE JUST DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO GET IT DONE AND GET IT.
BUT HE SAID HE COULD CHANGE THAT, THAT WOULD BE EASIER.
SO THE WINDOWS ARE LARGER ON THE FRONT IT LOOKS LIKE MM-HMM
IN HINDSIGHT, DO YOU WISH YOU HAD GOTTEN THIS? YOUR EXPERT CAN START YOU OFF IN THE BEGINNING AND THAT THAT WOULD BE THE ONE THING THAT WE WOULD SAY TO THE HISTORIC COUNCIL IS, AND EVEN PEOPLE THAT SELL THE LAND THERE OR SELL THESE HOUSES, IF WE WOULD'VE STARTED OFF HERE, NOT ONLY WOULD WE BE MUCH
I MEAN, HE'S TRYING REALLY HARD, BUT HE JUST DIDN'T HAVE WHAT HE NEEDED FOR THE HISTORIC DISTRICT TEACHER.
AND SO, BUT THE PERSON THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH HAS BEEN MORE THAN GRACIOUS TO HELP US TO FIGURE THIS OUT AND TO, UM, TO KIND OF KNOW WHERE THE PIECES ARE.
AND, AND IT'S THE SIMPLE THINGS THAT HE'S BEEN SHOWING US.
THE, THE WIDER TRIM, THE WINDOWS THAT GO HIGHER.
YOU KNOW, THAT EXTEND MORE AND ALL OF THAT TO MAKE IT MUCH, MUCH BETTER.
IF THIS HOUSE DIGRESSED TO 1960, IF THIS HOUSE HAD LOOKED LIKE THAT RIGHT THERE INSTEAD OF THE ONE ON TOP AND SOMEBODY WANTED TO CHANGE IT, WE'D BE JUST AS RESISTED TO CHANGING BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE COLLEGE TREE.
WE DON'T WANT YOU TO CHANGE THIS BECAUSE THIS IS, EVEN THOUGH EVEN THE WAY THE FENCE IS AND EVERYTHING IT LOOKS TOTALLY, YEAH.
BUT I MEAN, IT JUST, IT'S, MY OPINION IS SO MUCH BETTER THAN WHAT'S THERE NOW MM-HMM
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AND I'M GLAD YOU ENDED UP WITH WHAT YOU WANT.E EVEN YOUR DORMERS ARE EQUAL SPACE ON EITHER SIDE OF THE ROOF AND THEY ACTUALLY WAS BELOW
SO WHAT'S NEXT FOR THESE FOLKS? A FORMAL VOTE THAT THERE'S A DEADLINE TUESDAY OF NEXT WEEK.
SO Y'ALL TURN IT IN AND THIS MAY EVEN BE A CONSENTED AGENDA ITEM.
NO, WE DIDN'T ADVERTISE, WE DIDN'T ADVERTISE IT THAT WAY.
ANY MORE QUESTIONS? DO Y'ALL HAVE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT US TO KNOW? WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO WITH WHAT ON THURSDAYS IF WE, AFTER THE MEETINGS,
AND THIS IS THE FIRST THURSDAY THAT YES.
I'LL MAKE SURE WE'LL TAKE CARE OF THAT.
JAMIE, DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING ELSE? YEAH, I WANT GIVE Y'ALL TALK ABOUT A COUPLE OF ADMINISTRATIVE THINGS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON.
UH, THIS IS OUR, UH, ONE OF OUR PLANNERS FIRST WEEK JOE
HE, UH, IS A PLANNER, U OF N ON BOARD MIDDLETON STUDENT REAL ESTATE DECIDED TO BECOME A PLANNER AND WE WE'RE FORTUNATE TO HAVE JOE
THE, THE ME THIS IS HER LAST WEEK.
HER FAMILY'S MOVE INTO THE, THE WEST COAST OF MOVING TO SEATTLE.
SO HOPEFULLY SHE CAN FIND SOME
AND WE'RE CURRENTLY HIRING A PLANNER TO, TO REPLACE HER WORKING ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
STILL SOME OF Y'ALL ARE ON THAT STEERING COMMITTEE AND IT'S GOING WELL.
WE DO HAVE SOME DRAFTS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
WE HAVEN'T SEEN SOME OF THE DOWNTOWN PLAN STUFF.
WE'VE SEEN SOME OF THE LARGER COMMUNITY POLICIES, BUT WE SHOULD BE SEEING SOME OF THOSE OTHER CHAPTERS HERE SOON.
SO WE'LL BE LOOKING CLOSELY TO MAKE SURE THAT SOME OF OUR SUCCESSES FROM THE DOWNTOWN PLAN ARE ROLLED IN.
HOW FAST DO YOU THINK THE HOTEL IS GONNA MOVE FORWARD AND ARE THERE WITH DECISIONS THAT MAY BE MADE REGARDING THAT, WILL THAT AFFECT WHAT NEEDS TO GO IN THE NEW, I DON'T KNOW HOW FAST THEY'RE GONNA GO.
THAT'S, THAT'S ONE QUESTION THAT FORGOT TO ASK THEM.
REFLECT WHAT WE MIGHT BE ABOUT THE NEW YEAH.
IF, IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE YOUR GUIDELINES, THAT COULD BE A PLACE TO JUST TO ASK THE STEERING COMMITTEE TO REFLECT THAT.
AND THAT COULD BE A SPRINGBOARD FOR YOU TO INITIATE SOME CHANGES TO YOUR GUIDELINES.
WE PROBABLY NEED TO CHANGE A FEW THINGS.
WHAT'S THE OVERALL HEIGHT OF THE O2? I'VE SEEN AN EXACT NUMBER, BUT WE MEASURED OFF 70, I WAS GONNA SAY 70 SOMETHING MAYBE.
UM, LIKE THE TOWER PIECE AT THE ELEVATOR.
YOU, YOU COULD GET INTO THE 80, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S THE SAME HEIGHT AS THE HOTEL TOWER THAT'S ON THE NORTH SIDE.
AND I THINK IT'S STILL TALLER.
THAT PENTHOUSE FOR THE ELEVATOR TO GET UP TO THAT LEVEL AND THEN THERE WAS ANOTHER YEAH.
LOOKED LIKE SIX, EIGHT FEET ABOVE THAT.
YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT WHEN JOHN GREENSVILLE WENT UP TO THAT WAS BIG, THAT WAS IT.
ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU GOT TWO CHICKEN COOPS ON TOP OF IT.
SO WELL THIS WHAT MAY HAPPEN HERE MIGHT INFLUENCE WHAT COULD HAPPEN ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE TRACK MM-HMM
SO IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU'RE INTERESTED IN, LET LET YOUR STEERING COMMITTEE FOLKS KNOW.
I THINK, UH, YEAH, WE CAN DEFINITELY BRING IT UP.
WE COULD SHOW THE STEERING COMMITTEE THESE, THESE TOOLS MM-HMM
IT'S, IT'S AGAIN, THE PERSPECTIVE VIEW.
IT'S NOT IN, IT'S NOT FIVE STORIES IN YOUR FACE.
YEAH, BECAUSE I WAS NOT, I WAS HESITANT WHEN I, IT'S ALSO RECESS FROM THE DENTIST OFFICE NEXT DOOR.
IT'S A GOOD SIX FEET WHEN YOU PUMP UP THE RAMP, IT SEEMS APPROPRIATE.
WHAT IS THE OVERALL HEIGHT RESTRICTION IN THE REST OF THE TOWN FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT? I WONDER THAT I'VE ASKED TODD AND THEY, THEY'RE LIKE, OUR, OUR NEW TRUCK CAN GO THIS TALL, BUT IT'S NOT LIKE THEY'RE PUTTING PEOPLE ON A 10 SCALE BUILDING.
SO THEY HAVE A BIG LADDER TRUCK OR WE DO HAVE A BIG, WE GOT A HUNDRED BIG FOOT OR TWO, THE NEW STATION, HUNDRED FOOT LADDER TRUCK.
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LADDER.UM, HOW DO YOU CALL 'EM? SO I, I'LL ASK YOUR QUESTION, BUT IF IT'S AROUND 75 FEET IS IT'S LIKE THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT LIMIT.
BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THAT'S THE TALLEST THAT YOU CAN GO AS FAR AS THAT BUILDING CODE AND THE FIRE CODE.
YOU MIGHT, IT'S ALL THE EQUIPMENT WE HAD, BUT IT WAS WRITTEN FROM AND THEY THE ONLY RAILS, THEY WON'T GO TO THAT SPOT TO FIGHT IT.
THEY'RE GONNA FIGHT IT FROM THE STREET.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA GO THE HOTEL.
YOU KNOW, SO YOU'VE GOT, YOU'VE GOT ONE ANGLE TO YEAH, NO, THEY, THEY'RE GONNA, THERE'S GONNA GET FIRE ACCESS ON THE WEST SIDE.
SO THEY, THEY WOULD TURN IN, THEY'D FACE IT FROM MULBERRY UP THROUGH YEAH.
BAR STREET PARKING LOT JOHN GREEN'S.
PARKING LOT AND THEN HEAD EAST END GO TURN IT.
RIGHT NOW IN THE 2040 PLAN AND THE DRAFT 2050 PLAN, LIKE THE MAX HEIGHT IN STORIES IS SIX.
SO IF, IF THE STEERING, THE STEERING COMMITTEE COULD CHANGE THAT.
BUT THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THE LEAST THE POLICY FRAMEWORK IS RIGHT NOW TO HAVE WHAT WE ARE WORKING ON A FIVE YEAR PLAN FOR THE PLANNING DIVISION.
I THINK I MENTIONED THIS LAST TIME, BUT AS WE'RE WORKING ON IT, IT'S GONNA HAVE A MORE DEDICATED HISTORIC RESERVATION FOCUS.
AND WE MIGHT EVEN TRY TO DESIGNATE A STAFF MEMBER WHO WOULD WORK MORE CLOSELY WITH HISTORIC PRESERVATION WITH OUR MODEL.
RIGHT NOW WE ALL TAKE TURNS DOING PRESERVATION.
UM, BUT THAT ALSO MEANS LIKE NO ONE PERSON'S LIKE THINKING ABOUT PRESERVATION ALL THE TIME.
AND AS, AS WE'RE GROWING IT, IT MIGHT WARRANT THINKING ABOUT HAVING SOMEBODY THINKING ABOUT PRESERVATION ALL THE TIME AND WORKING ON LIKE THE NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT.
I KNOW YOU'RE, YOU WANNA REVISIT YOUR BOUNDARIES AND, AND HAVE SOMEBODY THAT CAN TAKE ON THAT, THAT PROJECT SO THAT THAT COULD, THAT WILL BE IN THE FIVE YEAR PLAN.
AND WE WE'RE TINKERING WITH SOME WAYS TO STRUCTURE THAT.
SO SOME POINT, I'LL, I'LL SHOW YOU MORE ABOUT THAT, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON.
SOME OF YOUR UP UPCOMING MEETINGS.
WE HAVE, UH, YOUR MARCH, EXCUSE ME, SEPTEMBER 24TH MEETING, MAIN STREET TURNED IN A MURAL FOR THE SIDE OF FIRE HALL NUMBER ONE.
AND UH, SO THAT OUGHT BE COMING TO Y'ALL THEN.
AND WE MIGHT HAVE BEER HALL'S CASE AS WELL COULD BRING UP.
UH, ON THE FIRE HALL ONE THAT'S RIGHT THERE.
UH, I'VE JUST HEARD DIFFERENT RUMORS.
IT'S GONNA STAY, UH, SEE IN CHARLESTON EARLIER THIS YEAR, THEY'VE GOT THE ORIGINAL FIRE HALL DOWNTOWN.
UM, AND THEY HAVE SOME OF THE SIMILAR PROBLEMS OUR GUYS DO.
OUR GUYS ARE MAGNIFICENT ON HOW EASILY THEY PULL WELL, HOW TRAINED THEY ARE.
AND I WOULD, MAN, I WOULD LOVE TO SAY WE SHOULD, IF IT EVER COMES UP MM-HMM
WE SHOULD HELP THEM CONSIDER HOW THEY COULD FIX THEIR PROBLEMS VERSUS TAKE IT AWAY.
IT'S JUST SO COOL HAVING THERE.
I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD BE VERY POPULAR WITH ANYBODY.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY AS FAR IT IS, BUT JUST FOR FIREFIGHTING, SOME OF THE FIREMEN THERE ARE SCARED TO DEATH'S GOING AWAY.
I DON'T THINK WATCH THAT RUMOR BECAUSE THERE WERE NO DISCUSSION OF MOVING CONVERS STATION.
IT'D BE SILLY TO MOVE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT FROM THE, FROM THE, FROM THE OLDEST PART OF TOWN.
WHY WOULD YOU MOVE IT TWO MILES AWAY? YEAH.
WHOEVER SAID THAT PICTURE OF THAT MURAL KIND, IT'S IS THAT THEY THING ABLE ON FACEBOOK IS WE DO HAVE A PICTURE OF THE BUREAU.
I SAID, EVERYTHING ON FACEBOOK IS TRUE.
SO MUST HAVE BEEN ON FACEBOOK.
SORRY, JAMIE HAS A ROUGH, UH, JUST VERY FIRST DRAFT TYPE OF THE MURAL THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR, UH, THE SIDE OF FIREHOUSE.
WHO'S, WHO DESIGNED THE SAME GUY THAT DID THE BANK.
UM, I'LL TELL YOU WHERE, WHERE A MURAL NEEDS TO GO IS ON THE SIDE OF THE BIBLICAL RESOURCES.
I'D LOVE TO SEE SOMETHING OTHER THAN THE MAN, BUT THE, THE CHURCH ON THE SQUARE HAS REACHED OUT.
UM, FOR QR CODE WALKING TO WHERE THEY KIND WANNA BE INVOLVED AND, AND WE THINK THE NEXT, UH, KINDA FIREHOUSE ZONE MAYBE, UM, BEGIN WITH HARDWARE, IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU'RE WILLING TO TALK ABOUT, WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT.
OR YOU CAN, IF YOU GET BACK, STAND BACK AT THE RAILROAD, YOU CAN SEE THE OLD MURAL.
FROM, FROM ORIGINAL WHERE IT WAS WHAT ON THIS SIDE? YEAH, I YOU CAN SEE IT.
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WAS THE MURAL? IT WAS, UH, SOMETIME TJ MORRIS.IT WAS BASICALLY AN ADVERTISING SIGN FOR THE HARDWARE AND LUMBER COMPANY.
UM, AND I'M DRAWING A BLANK EXACTLY WHAT I ALL SAID, BUT IT WAS UM, DID DEBBIE SEND YOU A RENDERING? TJ ON THE TOP? YEAH.
YOU SEE RIGHT THERE WHERE IT SAYS MORRIS ALONG THE YELLOW.
GOES A LITTLE CLOSER AND IT'S OBVIOUSLY NOT SOMETHING YOU COULD RESTORE, BUT YEAH, YOU CAN SEE THE OLD, THE OLD BASICALLY A SIGN THAT, IS THERE ANOTHER BUILDING ATTACHED TO THAT END? NO, NO, THAT'S JUST, THAT'S THE ORIGINAL HEIGHT.
HOW THAT BRICK IS RIGHT THERE.
OH, WHERE? THAT'S THE ORIGINAL HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING.
OH, WELL NO, WAIT A MINUTE NOW, ISN'T IT? I THINK SO.
NO, I THINK IT'S, I THINK IT'S PAINT THAT'S A MURAL ON THE SIDE.
WHAT CREATES THE COLOR DIFFERENCE? YEAH, THAT'S THE IT'S JUST THE ORIGINAL PAINT ON, HUH? I BE AND MAYBE IT'S BEEN CLEANED OR NO, IT'S UH, IT'S ALWAYS IN.
THAT'S A VERY ROUGH, UM, IT'S VERY COOL.
IT'S GONNA BE KIND OF LIKE, UH, IT WON'T BE PANELS.
THEY'RE GONNA CUT THE PANELS OUT.
IT'S GONNA BE LIKE A STANDOFF FROM THE BUILDING.
THAT'D BE ING UH, SAME ARTIST THAT DID THE MURAL BACK TENNESSEE BUILDS BUILDING.
UM, THEY'VE ALREADY KIND OF AGREED WE'RE, WE'RE IN THE WORKS, SO THAT'S COOL.
I WILL SAY, UM, BILL AND I PROBABLY WILL HAVE TO NOT BE INVOLVED IN THE VOTING OF THAT.
IF WE DO, IF WE DO HIS BUILDING, IT WOULD BE, BUT I WILL DEFINITELY NOT BE, I'LL HAVE TO ACCUSE ON THIS ONE.
SO THE LAST THING WE HAVE, WE HAVE, UH, SOME ADMINISTRATIVE CASES.
PERMIT OR PENDING ON SOUTH ETTE.
USED TO BE JOHN SERRANO'S BUILDING.
THERE'S A, BETWEEN RUSSELL'S AND THEIR, THEIR PROPERTY FENCES FALLING APART AND THEY WANNA REPLACE IT.
THEY'RE PUSHING BACK A LITTLE BIT ON THE DESIGN.
SO WE MIGHT GET THEM TO SCALE BACK THE REPLACEMENT TO BE CONSIDERED MAINTENANCE RATHER THAN THE FULL SCALE REPLACEMENT.
THEY SAID THEY DO HAVE PLANS TO REPLACE THE WHOLE FENCE AT SOME POINT, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT READY TO DO THAT.
THEY'RE GETTING PUSHED BACK FOR WHAT REASON? THAT THERE'S A DESIGN.
WE ASKED FOR THEM TO MATCH A SIMILAR DESIGN THAN ONE 11 WALNUT STREET.
SO AS A KIND OF A MORE DECORATIVE FENCE.
AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT DOING A, I THINK THE COST WE'RE PREPARED TO DO THAT QUITE YET.
SO THAT'S, BUT WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THAT.
WE'LL SEE WHAT THE PROPERTY OWNER WANTS.
WHERE'S THE FENCE ON 1 1 11 WALL WRAPS AROUND THE BACK OF WHAT OF SIMPLY DONE PLACE.
AGAINST THE AT T FACILITY, BUT IT'S OKAY.
DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO HAVE LATTICE.
GOT LARGE MEMBERS WITH THE DEFINITION TO IT.
IT'S GOT ARTICULATION SIGNS WE'RE STILL WORKING ON.
SO, SO WELL MET SPOT, UH, THEY SUBMITTED SOME DRAWINGS.
UM, HAMPTON STILL HERE BACK, UM, THIS BOUTIQUE, UH, WAS THE SIGN WAS APPROVED.
UH, AND SO THEY'VE EVEN INSTALLED IT.
IT'S WHERE? IT'S A BOUTIQUE FROM EAST MEMPHIS.
AND THERE'S A PENDING SIGN FROM ONE 18 BERRY.
AND ON OTHER REQUESTS, DID APPROVED BILLS, GARAGE DOOR, THIS HOUSE.
AND THEN ONE THING WE'RE WORKING ON, UM, RELATED TO THE NEW TENANT THAT WILL REPLACE RAVEN AND LY AND THEY'VE GOT A COOLER THAT THEY'RE PUTTING OUT.
IT'S, UH, LIKE A PREFABRICATED STRUCTURE.
SO WE'RE WORKING IT NOT TO SCREEN.
IT HAS TO SCREEN IT RIGHT NOW.
IT'S NOT VISIBLE SO THAT WE DON'T THINK THE HT C GUIDELINES APPLY, BUT IT COULD BE VISIBLE IF THEY TEAR EVERYTHING DOWN AROUND IT.
UH, SO WE'RE, WE'RE WATCHING THAT ONE.
AND THEY, THEY'VE THROWN OUT, WHAT IF WE JUST LIKE, DO A TEMPORARY SCREEN AND THEN FIGURE OUT THE HOTEL AND THEN DO SOMETHING PERMANENT LATER IF, 'CAUSE WE MIGHT NEED TO MOVE IT.
SO WE MIGHT HAVE TO GET CREATED ON THAT ONE, BUT IT DOESN'T LOOK VERY NICE.
AND IF THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A NICE HOTEL LOOKING RIGHT.
SOMETHING WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE IT'S, IT'S WELL SCREEN AND BE
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PAINTED CLEAR.YOU THINK ABOUT IT'S PROBABLY SILVER.
THAT'S ALL WE HAVE FOR YOU TODAY FOR YOU BACK MS. KING'S.
UM, KIND OF QUESTION OF, YOU KNOW, YOU BOUGHT THE PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, RETAILERS NEVER SAY, OH, YOU'RE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, YOU HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THESE RULES.
I WAS TALKING TO SOMEONE ABOUT THAT EXACT THING THAT I KNOW WE'VE REACHED THE SUBJECT BEFORE.
YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE MAKE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT THEY ARE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, THAT SHOULD, THEY WANNA MAKE ANY ALTERCATIONS OR DO SOMETHING THAT THERE'S A PROCESS BECAUSE WE TRIED MAILERS AND ALL SORTS OTHER THINGS.
BUT IS THERE ANYTHING, ANYTHING ELSE WE CAN DO? BECAUSE IT'S GONNA COME UP MORE.
UM, NOW GRANTED PART OF IT IS, HEY, IF YOU'RE BUYING IN THERE, YOU OUGHT BE AWARE, DO ENOUGH RESEARCH.
BUT YOU, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, SO WE DO SEND A POSTCARD EVERY MAY, LIKE IN ON OUR RESERVATION MONTH.
BUT IF THE PROPERTY OWNER DOESN'T PASS IT ALONG, IT DOESN'T MATTER.
OR THAT THERE'S A TENANT IN THE HOUSE.
WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT, BASED ON SOME CONVERSATIONS THAT MORNINGS WITH MAIN STREET, BRINGING IN SOMEBODY FROM THE STATE TO WORK WITH REAL ESTATE PROFESSIONALS AND TRY TO EDUCATE THEM.
SO AS THEY'RE WORKING WITH PEOPLE, THEY CAN EXPLAIN WHAT IT MEANS.
AND, AND AS A REAL ESTATE PERSON, I MEAN, IS THAT, DO YOU USE THAT AS A, YOU KNOW, POSITIVE TOOL? I MEAN, I WOULD THINK SO.
YOU COULD THINK HISTORIC DESIGN, BUT HISTORIC DISTRICT DEFINITELY WOULD BE, DO THEY GET FREAKED OUT? OH, I'M IN, OR I'M NOT, OR I DON'T WANNA BE IN SO IN, IN MIDTOWN CENTRAL GARDENS AND EVERGREEN, YOU CAN BUY A BRONZE, SOME PLAQUE PUT ON YOUR HOUSE ANYWHERE.
I MEAN, YOU MIGHT HAVE ONE OF YOUR HOUSE, BUT, UH, NO, WE'VE NEVER HAD 'EM.
AND THEN, AND THEN, UH, WHEN YOU TURN OFF OF MAIN STREETS, LIKE UNION, THERE'S A SIGN RIGHT THERE.
IT SAYS CENTRAL GARDENS DISTRICT.
AND THEN WHEN YOU TURN OFF COOPER, THERE'S RIGHT THERE.
EVERY TIME YOU HIT OFF OF A MAIN STREET TO A MM-HMM
THERE'S A SIGN THAT SAYS I'M IN EVERGREEN.
I HIGHLY ENCOURAGE US TO DO THAT.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT NEW WAY FINDING, KIND OF CLEANING UP THE OLD, HAVING SOMETHING NEW.
I THINK THAT'S STILL A GOOD IDEA.
I WOULD, I WOULD MAKE LIKE A PACKET WHEN THEY COME IN.
AND YOU HAVE TO, WHEN THEY, OR THEY GO TO THE GET THEIR WATER SERVICE WHEN THEY FIRST SUPPLY OR SEE YOU, I WOULD GET GUIDELINES IN TURN OF THEM.
SO AT LEAST MAYBE THE ARCHITECT WILL READ THEM.
BUT IF YOU, IF YOU MAKE THIS, THE GENTLEMAN THAT CAME FROM NASHVILLE AND SPOKE TO US AT QUA MM-HMM
AND I ASK HIM FOR HIS ELEVATOR SPEECH.
HE, HE, THE BEING IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT IS A PLUS.
BECAUSE WE PROTECT YOUR, THE AREA WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING COMING IN AROUND YOU.
THAT'S THE WAY IT SHOULD BE PRESENTED.
AND I WOULD THINK THAT THE REAL ESTATE AGENTS AND BROKERS COULD HAVE SOMETHING IN THERE.
THEY PRESENT THAT THIS IS A SPECIAL PLACE AND IT'S, AND IN MY OPINION, IT'S BETTER THAN JUST SOME GENERIC
SO WHEN YOU COME HERE, YOU'RE PROTECTED.
AND THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE TO DO, BUT IT'S FOR YOUR BENEFIT.
IT'S NOT HOA, IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S A PROBLEM.
WELL, I JUST WANTED US TO GET AWAY FROM BASICALLY THE CASE THAT WE HAD A WHILE BACK WITH, UH, SOMEBODY PAYING BREAK AND THEN THAT THEY DIDN'T UNDERSTAND.
BUT YOU'RE BEING WARNING, YOU'RE BEING, YOU'RE IN THE STORE DISTRICT IN CERTAIN RULES SUPPLY.
YOU'RE TELLING THEM THAT YOU'RE MOVING REALLY GOOD.
WE'RE WORSE THAN AN HOA AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY FOR THE PAY.
OUR NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR WANTS US TO CUT DOWN A BIG TREE IN OUR FRONT YARD.
BUT I MEAN, BUT HE'S SAYING, WELL IF, IF THE, IF SOMETHING'S WRONG WITH THE TREE OR WHATEVER, BUT I'M LIKE, WE HAVE TO GET A PERMIT.
THEY CAN TURN BACK WHAT'S OVER THE PROPERTY.
BUT THEY CAN, OR YOU CAN TURN BACK THE TO HELP THEM OUT.
BUT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE TERMS.
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THERE'S NO LIMITATION.WHAT IS IT UNDERNEATH, UNDER I ALWAYS THINK SHOULD BE.
HEY, WILL YOU TWO LOOK AT THAT.