* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:06] UH, WELCOME [1 Call to Order] TO THE AUGUST 13TH DESIGN REVIEW HEARING. WE HAVE A QUORUM, SO I'LL ASK ANGELA TO PLEASE CALL RO MS. JORDAN. HERE. MS. PEELER? HERE. MR. LAMORE? HERE. MR. FRAZIER? HERE. MR. LAWHON? HERE. MR. ROBBINS? HERE. MS. DON HART HERE. UM, WE [3 Approval of Minutes] HAVE MINUTES FROM OUR LAST MEETING. I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. MOTION TO APPROVE. SECOND. SECOND. UH, MOTION MADE. AND SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? SECOND. ANGELO, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL ROLL MS. PEELER? YES. MR. LAMORE? YES. MR. FRAZIER? YES. MS. L. MR. LAWHON? YES. MS. JORDAN? YES. MR. ROBBINS ABSTAIN. MS. DON HART? YES. UM, ALRIGHT. [4 Approval of Agenda (additions/deletions)] WE HAVE AN AGENDA BEFORE YOU. ARE THERE ANY MODIFICATIONS? NO. UH, THERE ARE NO CHANGES TO THE AGENDA. UM, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA? MOTION TO APPROVE. SECOND. UM, ANGELA, WOULD YOU, MR. LAWHON? YES. MR. FRAZIER? YES. MR. LAMORE? YES. MS. JORDAN? YES. MS. PEELER? YES. MR. ROBBINS? YES. MS. DON HART? YES. UM, AND NOW IS THE TIME FOR CITIZEN COMMENTS. WOULD ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE BE PROVIDING CITIZEN COMMENTS? OKAY. UH, NEXT IS [6 Approval of Consent Agenda] APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT AGENDA. UM, DO WE WANNA MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA? MOTION TO APPROVE. SECOND. UM, MOTION MADE AND SECONDED. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? ANGELA, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL MR. LARIMORE? YES. MR. FRAZIER? YES. MR. LAWHON? YES. MS. JORDAN? YES. MS. PEELER ABSTAIN. MR. ROBBINS? YES. MS. DON HART? YES. OKAY. WE HAVE, [7.a Case #261308 - Ironwood PD, Phase 28 (Grace Court) - Request approval of a waiver related to the design of the parking lot and to allow faux wood as an exterior building material.] UM, OUR FIRST CASE ON THE FORMAL AGENDA NUMBER 2 6 1 3 0 8. UM, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A PRESENTATION, UH, THANK YOU CHAIR COMMISSIONERS. UM, SO YEAH, TONIGHT, UM, YOU ARE GOING TO HEAR A, UH, TWO, ACTUALLY, TWO WAIVER REQUESTS. UM, THE APPLICANT IS PROPERTY SOLUTIONS, UM, WHO'S HERE TONIGHT. UH, HE'S REPRESENTING, UH, JASON SHIFFLETT, WHO'S ALSO HERE. UH, THE PROPERTY OWNER IS, IS CENTRAL CHURCH, AND I BELIEVE THAT A REPRESENTATIVE FROM CENTRAL CHURCH IS ALSO HERE. UM, SO THIS IS A PROPERTY THAT'S LOCATED ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF HOUSTON LEVY. IT'S JUST SOUTH OF, UH, WINCHESTER ROAD. UM, AND THE APPLICANT, UH, PLANS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MULTI-TENANT COMMERCIAL BUILDING. UH, THERE WILL BE A TOTAL OF SEVEN TENANT SPACES, UM, AND THE TWO IN CAPS WILL FEATURE, UH, MOBILE PICKUP WINDOWS. UM, THOSE NOW REQUIRE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT BECAUSE THEY'RE CONSIDERED A DRIVE THROUGH. UM, LAST WEEK THE PLANNING COMMISSION HEARD THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUEST AND RECOMMENDED APPROVAL. UM, THE BMA WILL BE REVIEWING THAT REQUEST ON AUGUST, UH, 24TH. SO BEFORE YOU TONIGHT ARE TWO WAIVER REQUESTS. UH, THE FIRST IS TO ALLOW MORE THAN 50% OF THE PARKING TO BE BETWEEN THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING AND THE STREET. AND THE SECOND REQUEST IS TO USE A MATERIAL CALLED NEW TECH. IT'S A FAUX WOOD, AND THE APPLICANTS ARE REQUESTING TO USE THAT. UM, ON TWO BUILDING ELEVATIONS, UH, THAT BUILDING MATERIAL WOULD BE OVER 30%. SO IT WOULD BE ABOVE THE 25% THAT OUR CODE CONSIDERS AS AN ACCENT MATERIAL. SO RIGHT NOW YOU'RE LOOKING AT, UM, THE, UM, FRONT AND REAR ELEVATIONS. SO I'M GONNA TRY TO USE THIS, THIS PIN. UM, SO THIS MATERIAL HERE THAT APOLOGIZE, UH, THIS PRIMARY BUILDING MATERIAL, UM, THIS IS BRICK. UH, WE HAVE SOME EXAMPLES TO SHOW YOU. AND THIS DOWN HERE IS ALSO BRICK. SO THIS IS THE BRICK MATERIAL. AND THEN THE NEW TECH MATERIAL THAT THEY'RE REQUESTING A WAIVER FOR, YOU CAN SEE HERE, IS ON THESE TWO END CAPS. SO, UH, WHAT OUR CODE SAYS [00:05:04] IS THAT IN ORDER TO BE CONSIDERED A TRIM OR AN ACCENT MATERIAL, IT NEEDS TO BE LESS THAN 25% OF THE NET FACADE AREA. AND WHAT WE HAVE TRADITIONALLY DONE, WHAT THE BMA HAS TRADITIONALLY APPROVED IS WHEN WE LOOK AT, UM, CALCULATING THOSE PERCENTAGES, 75% MASONRY AND 25%, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, UH, TREMOR ACCENT MATERIAL. UH, WE LOOK AT, UM, 75% AND 25%. SO WHEN WE LOOK AT 25%, UM, IT DOES SAY ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS, UM, SIMULATED WOOD MATERIALS COULD BE, UH, REVIEWED, UH, BY THIS, UH, COMMITTEE. SO WHAT THE APPLICANTS ARE, ARE, ARE REQUESTING, UM, IS TO ALLOW, UH, 30% OF THE NEW TECH TO BE ON THE REAR ELEVATION AND ALSO 30% ON THE SOUTHERN END CAP. AND IN A FEW MINUTES, I'M GOING TO SCROLL TO A REVISED, UM, UH, ELEVATION DRAWING THAT, UH, WAS EMAILED TO YOU GUYS TODAY, AND I BELIEVE YOU'LL HAVE COPIES OF THAT. UM, AND THAT SHOWS THAT THE FRONT AND THE NORTHERN END CAP ELEVATION, THEY'VE GOTTEN THOSE DOWN BELOW 25%. SO THEY HAVE LISTENED TO THE REQUIREMENTS, BUT THEY ARE STILL REQUESTING THAT WAIVER FOR THE REAR ELEVATION AND THE SOUTHERN END CAP. UH, THE SECOND WAIVER THAT THE APPLICANTS ARE REQUESTING, UM, IS TO ALLOW, UH, MORE THAN 50% OF THE PARKING TO BE IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING. SO THIS WAS THE ORIGINALLY SUBMITTED SITE PLAN. YOU CAN SEE TOTAL PARKING 50 SPACES, 61% OF THAT IS BEING PROPOSED IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING. THE APPLICANTS HAVE SUBMITTED A REVISED SITE PLAN. THIS WAS BASED ON SOME COMMENTS THAT THEY HEARD FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION LAST WEEK. AND YOU CAN SEE NOW THEY'VE GOTTEN THAT PARKING DOWN TO 59%. UH, STAFF DOES, UH, SUPPORT THIS WAIVER REQUEST. UM, WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS SITE, WE STAFF BELIEVES THAT IT IS, IT IS PRETTY ENCUMBERED, UM, ON THREE OF THE, THE FOUR LOT LINES. UH, SO FIRST, YOU KNOW, HERE ON THE SOUTHERN LOT LINE, IT IS ENCUMBERED BY THE SHARED ACCESS EASEMENT THAT THE PROPERTY SHARES WITH CENTRAL CHURCH. UM, ON THE, THE, UH, EASTERN LOT LINE, IT'S ENCUMBERED BY THE STORM WATER RETENTION POND. UM, THE EXACT REQUIREMENTS FOR THIS POND ARE GONNA BE REVIEWED BY, UM, ENGINEERING, BUT WHEN ENGINEERING LOOKED AT THIS, UM, THROUGH OUR D-R-D-R-T REVIEW, THEY DID, UM, THINK THAT IT WAS GONNA BE ROUGHLY THIS SIZE, SO REALLY COULDN'T GET MUCH MORE PARKING BACK HERE. AND THEN THE THIRD ENCUMBRANCE IS THIS T DECK, UM, UH, EASEMENT THAT RUNS RIGHT ALONG HERE. AND THE APPLICANTS ARE, AND THIS IS THE, THE, UM, THE LIMIT OF THIS, THIS T DECK EASEMENT. I'M SORRY, I, I APOLOGIZE. THIS IS THE LIMIT OF THIS T DECK EASEMENT AND WHAT THE APPLICANTS ARE DOING, THEY'RE PROVIDING AN ADDITIONAL 13 AND A HALF FEET JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE NOT PAVING RIGHT UP TO THAT T DECK, UH, BUFFER. UM, AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT STAFF DOES, YOU KNOW, SUPPORT PROVIDING THAT EXTRA BUFFER. UM, WHEN WE LOOK AT WAYS THAT WE COULD WORK WITH THE SITE TO PERHAPS GET SOME MORE PARKING ALONG THE SIDE AND THE REAR MOVE SOME OF THAT PARKING FROM THE FRONT TO THE SIDE OF THE REAR. AND ONE THING THAT CAME UP WAS, COULD THEY GET SOME PARALLEL PARKING? COULD THEY WIDEN THIS DRIVE AISLE AND GET SOME MORE PARALLEL PARKING RIGHT ALONG HERE? AND, UM, JUST TODAY I WAS SPEAKING WITH OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER ABOUT WHAT THE POSSIBILITIES OF THAT ARE, AND SHE CONCURRED, THEY PROBABLY COULD GET ABOUT THREE PARALLEL PARKING SPACES THERE, BUT THAT STILL WOULD NOT GET THEM TO THE REQUIREMENT OF HAVING 50% ALONG THE REAR AND THE SIDE. SO IT MAY NOT BE, UH, THAT'S SOMETHING FOR THE COMMITTEE TO DECIDE IF IT'S WORTH GETTING RID OF THAT ADDITIONAL 13 AND A HALF FEET FOR ROUGHLY THREE PARALLEL PARKING SPACES. BUT THEY WOULD STILL REQUIRE, UH, A WAIVER. UM, SO AGAIN, YOU KNOW, STAFF IS, UM, UH, IN, IN FAVOR OF THE WAIVERS. UM, WE DO BELIEVE THAT THE, UM, THIS, THIS NEW TECH SITING, UM, IT IS VERY SIMILAR TO FIBER CEMENT BOARDS IN TERMS OF APPEARANCE AND FUNCTION. UH, WE GOT THIS FROM OUR, OUR BUILDING DEPARTMENT. UM, IT HAS BEEN EVALUATED BY, UM, THE IBC AND THE IFC, AND IT IS FOUND TO BE COMPLIANT WITH ALL OF THOSE BUILDING AND FIRE REGULATIONS. UM, IN TERMS OF DURABILITY, UM, IT IS, IT IS INDUSTRY CONSIDERS IT TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE DURABLE, UM, THAN SOME OF THE HARDY BOARD. UM, AND IN TERMS OF COST, IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE EXPENSIVE UPFRONT, BUT BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO BE MORE DURABLE LONG [00:10:01] TERM, MORE AND MORE APPLICANTS MAY BE REQUESTING THIS BECAUSE IN THE LONG RUN IT CAN SAVE SOME MONEY ON, ON MAINTENANCE. UM, THE CAVEAT TO STAFF'S, UM, RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVING THE WAIVER, UM, IS THAT THE CONDITION OF APPROVAL WILL LIMIT ITS USE TO THE ACCENT BUILDING MATERIAL. SO LESS THAN 25%. UM, AND, UH, THE APPLICANT HAS BEEN, UM, OVERLY WILLING TO WORK WITH STAFF, UM, AND, AND AMENDING SOME OF THEIR ELEVATION. SO STAFF IS CONFIDENT THAT WE COULD GET THAT WHAT'S RIGHT NOW 30% ALONG THE REAR AND SOUTH ELEVATION. WE'RE CONFIDENT THAT WE COULD GET THAT TO 25%. UM, AND THEN AGAIN, STAFF IS ALSO IN FAVOR OF THAT SECOND WAIVER. WE DO FIND THAT THERE ARE SOME, UH, SITE CONSTRAINTS, UM, THAT REALLY LIMIT WHERE THE PARKING CAN GO. AND THEN IN ADDITION, THE APPLICANT IS PROVIDING SOME, SOME, UH, LAND, SOME EXTENSIVE LANDSCAPING ALONG THE, UM, FRONT PROPERTY LINE THAT ABUTS HOUSTON LEVEE. IN FACT, THAT'S PART OF THE, UH, IRONWOOD PD REQUIREMENT TO PLANT SOME LANDSCAPING. THE LANDSCAPING THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING GOES ABOVE WHAT THE PD REQUIRES, AND THEY'RE ALSO PROPOSING SOME LAND ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING ALONG THAT, THAT STORM WATER, UM, DETENTION POND. SO THAT WOULD ALSO KIND OF HELP, UM, MASK SOME OF THAT PARKING. SO THE EXAMPLE MOTIONS ARE ON YOUR SCREEN, AND I'D BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. AND, UM, I HAVE GOT SOME MATERIALS UP HERE THAT I COULD BRING UP TO YOU IF YOU LIKE. AND THEN I KNOW THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED SOME PHOTOS, UM, AROUND HOUSTON LEVY OF BUILDINGS THAT HAVE USED SIMILAR MATERIALS. WHEN THE APPLICANT COMES UP, THEY WILL BE ABLE TO, UM, SCROLL THROUGH AND LOOK AT, UM, SHOW SOME OF THESE PHOTOS. I GUESS I SHOULD, SO THIS IS, THESE ARE THE REVISED ELEVATIONS, UM, THAT THEY SUBMITTED. UM, AND IT DOES SHOW, AGAIN, LIKE YOU CAN SEE THE, THE FRONT, THEY, THEY'VE GOTTEN RID OF THE NEW TECH THAT WAS AROUND HERE AND HERE. SO THEY'VE REDUCED THAT DOWN TO, UH, ROUGHLY 24%. AND THEN THE SAME HERE WITH THIS NORTHERN ELEVATION. UM, I BELIEVE THERE WAS SOME NEW TECH HERE. THEY'VE REMOVED THAT. SO NOW THEY'VE GOTTEN THAT DOWN TO 17%. SO NOW REALLY THE WAIVER WOULD ONLY BE FOR THIS SOUTHERN ELEVATION THAT'S AT 30 AND THE REAR ELEVATION THAT'S ALSO AT 30. UM, SO IF YOU LIKE, I CAN BRING SOME OF THOSE BUILDING MATERIALS UP. YES. OKAY. UH, IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? FIRST? I HAVE A QUESTION. I, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. YES, SIR. UH, THE REAR ELEVATION THAT YOU SAID THAT WAS, UM, WHAT IT WAS MORE THAN 25%? YES, SIR. AS PROPOSED RIGHT NOW IT'S ROUGHLY 30%. AND IT LOOKS LIKE WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS DONE, UM, THE, THE NEW TECH IS ALONG THE, THE, THE TOP ONE THIRD OF THE BUILDING MM-HMM . UH, AND SO TWO THIRDS OF THE BUILDING ARE HERE AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE THAT BRICK MATERIAL. SO, UM, I CAN SEE WHY THEY'VE, YOU KNOW, DIVIDED IT UP TO BE SYMMETRICAL THAT WAY. BUT AS IT STANDS, IT'S STILL AT 30%. MM-HMM . I MEAN, IT, IT, WOULD THERE BE ANY PROBLEM WITH TAKING 10% OFF OF THAT? I MEAN, IS THERE, IS THERE SOME REASON WHY THEY, THEY NEED THAT MUCH MORE OR MAYBE WE NEED TO ADDRESS THE YEAH, WE CAN APPLICANT AND THEN FIND OUT. I CAN SPEAK FOR THAT. OKAY. APPLICANT, PLEASE FORWARD STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE. ALRIGHT. ALL RIGHT. UH, MARK ATLEY JR. TRADEMARK CONSTRUCTION, UH, 24 80 RED FOX LANE, HERNANDO, MISSISSIPPI. UM, WORKING WITH MR. SHIFLET HERE TO, UH, DEVELOP AND BUILD A SITE. UM, THE REASON WE HAVE 30% ON THE REAR FACADE IS TO SCREEN THE ROOFTOP UNITS, UM, AS WELL AS, SO THAT FACADE PROTRUDES FROM THE MASONRY ELEVATION IN THE REAR. WE HAVE A INTERNAL GUTTER SYSTEM RUNNING ALONG THE BACK OF THE BUILDING. SO THAT FACADE IS CANTILEVERED, SO PROTRUDING FROM THE BUILDING IN ORDER TO SCREEN THE ROOFTOP UNITS. UH, THAT'S THE REASON FOR THE ELEVATION. SO JUST THE PERCENTAGE, YOU KNOW, TO COVER THE ROOFTOP UNITS, YOU KNOW, ENDS UP BEING 30%. SO, UH, IT'S A STRUCTURAL THING. SO USING A LIGHTER MATERIAL OTHER THAN MASONRY, YOU KNOW, HANGING THE MASONRY OUT THERE, UM, IN ORDER TO INCORPORATE THE GUTTER SYSTEM, YOU KNOW, WOULD BE PRETTY PROBLEMATIC. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IT REQUIRE MUCH MORE STRUCTURAL, UH, CONSIDERATION. UH, THIS IS THE THIRD BUILDING THAT, UH, WE'RE I'LL, I'LL BE WORKING ON AND WITH VERY SIMILAR UH, ASPECTS. ACTUALLY, THIS, THIS BUILDING IS VERY [00:15:01] SIMILAR TO THE ONE, UM, SEE RIGHT HERE. YEAH. THIS IS ONE THAT WE DID AN OLIVE BRANCH. UM, BUT YEAH, THAT, THAT'S THE REASON FOR THE PERCENTAGE ON THE REAR. UH, OKAY. BECAUSE THAT LET, MAKES A LITTLE MORE SENSE THAN JUST ARBITRARILY NOT HAVING ANY RIGHT. STRUCTURALLY SPEAKING, WHERE AND WHERE DOES THE ROOFTOP UNIT, LIKE DOES IT START RIGHT AT THE EDGE OF THAT? SO IT'S A SINGLE SLOPED ROOF. SO WE HAVE A HIGHER PARA PUT IN THE FRONT. AND, UM, AS YOU KNOW, THE ROOF SLOPES, UH, LOWER TOWARDS THE REAR. UM, WE ARE, UH, ABLE TO DO, UH, HIDE THOSE UNITS WITH THAT BAREFOOT, UH, IN THE REAR. UM, BUT WHERE THE UNITS ARE, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT SHOWN HERE, UM, BECAUSE THEY'RE COMPLETELY SCREENED BY THAT REAR FACADE. UM, SO THEY'RE JUST, UH, YOU KNOW, PERIODICALLY SET ON LIKE KIND OF MID ROOF. OKAY. AND, AND WE, WE'VE, AND SORRY, AND THE REASON FOR THE HEIGHT OF THAT REAR PARAPET ARE, UH, BECAUSE OF THE SIZE UNITS THAT WE'RE PUTTING UP THERE, WE CALCULATED, YOU KNOW, THE DIMENSIONS OF THE UNITS AND, AND ADEQUATELY, UM, YOU KNOW, DESIGNED THE PARAPET IN THE REAR TO COVER THOSE. AND DO YOU THINK YOU CAN GET IT DOWN TO 24%? UM, OR 25? YEAH. SO WE, YOU OBVIOUSLY WE'RE TRYING TO BALANCE, YOU KNOW, SCREENING THOSE, OUR, OUR ROOFTOP UNITS, UH, ADEQUATELY. UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK, UH, IT, IT'D BE CHA I THINK WE CAN GET REALLY CLOSE. UH, YOU KNOW, UH, WE, WE COULD WORK ON THAT. SO, BUT AT LEAST IT'S IN THE BACK. YEAH, IT'S IN, IT'S IN THE REAR. WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, LANDSCAPING, UM, YOU KNOW, QUITE A BIT OF LANDSCAPING IN THE REAR, THEN IT'S, YOU KNOW, GREEN SPACE AND THEN, YOU KNOW, JUST BASICALLY, UH, SOME CHURCH PROPERTY IN THE REAR, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, DROPPING THE PARA PUT A FOOT. UH, WOULD THAT REDUCE, UH, THE PERCENTAGE OF 24% POSSIBLY? BUT THEN YOU MAY SEE THE ROOFTOP UNITS. UH, IT'S KIND OF A TRADE OFF QUESTION. UM, DO WE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR APPLICANT? AND, AND THE, THE MATERIAL ITSELF, THE NEW TECH WOOD, UH, WE'VE, WE'VE, UH, USED, UH, UH, THAT MATERIAL IN SEVERAL OTHER BUILDINGS. UH, I THINK YOU'RE STARTING TO SEE THAT MORE, UM, IN, IN COMMERCIAL CONSTRUCTION. UH, UH, YOU KNOW, ALL THE SURFACES ON THIS BUILDING ARE PRE-FINISHED, THEM ALL. THE MASONRY IS, IS FACTORY FINISHED. AND, UH, AS WELL AS THE NEW TECH IS FACTORY FINISHED THAT, YOU KNOW, WILL, UH, INCREASE THE LONGEVITY AND REDUCE THE MAINTENANCE AND INCREASE THE OVERALL, YOU KNOW, APPEAL THE BUILDING, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR YEARS TO COME. DOES DOES IT HAVE A GUARANTEE ON SAVING 20? YEAH, IT'S A 25 YEAR, UH, UH, UH, FACTORY FINISH ON THAT. SO, UH, YEAH, I THINK THERE'S SOME, UH, PICTURES. SO IT, IT'S BEEN APPROVED. SO IT WAS UTILIZED ON, UH, THE FAIRLY RECENTLY DEVELOPED, UM, TACOS FOR LIFE. MM-HMM . UH, SO HERE, HERE IS, UM, THE SAME MATERIAL WE'RE PROPOSING, UH, THAT'S BEEN USED AT TACOS FOR LIFE IS THE YEAH, I MEAN THAT'S, YOU KNOW, NOT TOO FAR KIND OF DOWN THE ROAD. WILL THE FINISH LOOK THE SAME AS THESE? OR IS THERE, I GUESS A DIFFERENCE WITH THE SHEEN OR? SO WE HAVE, WE HAVE TWO COLORS, UM, THAT ON THE PICTURES, UH, THAT I, I HANDED OUT, UH, WE HAVE A, UH, KIND OF A DARK, UH, IN THE SAMPLES AS WELL. SO WE HAVE A WOOD, UH, YEAH, I THINK THEY'RE RIGHT THERE. WE HAVE A WOOD GRAIN FINISH, WHICH IS VERY SIMILAR, UH, TO THE TACOS FOR LIFE. AND THEN WE HAVE MORE OF A, YOU KNOW, DARKER CHARCOAL FINISH. UH, ON ONE END. JUST A, A, A QUESTION HERE IS THAT, UH, DO YOU, WHEN YOU'RE DOING THAT PARAPET, IS THIS A FRAMED STRUCTURE AND YOU LAY THIS ACROSS CORRECT. A WOOD FRAME? OR IS IT METAL FRAMED? YES, SO WE, IT'S ALL, IT'S ALL GONNA BE METAL FRAMED. SO WE HAVE, UH, GIRTS AND THEN, UH, METAL FRAME AND SHEATHING. AND THEN, UH, SO THIS SYSTEM USES A HIDDEN FASTENER SYSTEM, A CLIP SYSTEM MM-HMM . SO YOU'RE NOT SCREWING THROUGH THE FACE, YOU'RE NOT NAILING THROUGH THE FACE. ALL THE FASTENERS ARE HIDDEN. AND IS THERE A CAP FOR THE, THE TOP OR? YEAH, SO ALL ALL, YEAH, THEY'LL ALL HAVE A, UH, METAL, UH, CAP, UH, ON THE MATERIAL, JUST LIKE YOU SEE HERE ON TACOS FOR LIFE. AND PROBABLY IN THOSE PICTURES AS WELL. HOW FAR DOWN DOES THAT LAP AT ABOUT A FOUR INCH LAP ON IT OR? IT'S ACTUALLY NOT A LAP. IT'S A, IT'S [00:20:01] A, WELL, IT'S RIGHT. A U-SHAPED, IT'S PROBABLY A, A PARAPET CAP. UAN PARAPET CAP OR, OH, THE, THE PARAPET CAP. YEAH. OH YEAH. SO I THINK HOW FAR DOES IT, IT'S ABOUT FOUR AND A HALF INCHES. I WAS GONNA SAY, DID YOU CALCULATE THAT OUT OF THE SQUARE, OUT OF THE PERCENTAGE? HMM. UH, PROBABLY NOT. QUESTION. YEAH. THAT'S ACTUALLY IN A GAME OF PINCHING PENNIES HERE, LET'S SEE WHAT WE CAN DO, RIGHT? YEAH. IF WE DO LIKE A SIX INCH, UH, METAL, UH, CAP ON THAT, THAT COULD REDUCE THE PERCENTAGE SHOWN PERCENTAGE OF THE NEW TECH ON THE REAR. TELL ME A PROBLEM AND HEAR A SOLUTION. RIGHT. I THINK THERE'S, THERE'S PROBABLY A WAY TO BREAK IT UP AND IT, IT, I THINK YOU'RE CLOSE. I JUST THINK THERE'S PROBABLY A REALLY GOOD WAY TO CREATIVELY FIND, YOU KNOW, A, A SIMPLE SOLUTION HERE WITH BANDING WITH SOME SORT TO, I MEAN, YOU'RE SO CLOSE AND I HATE TO MAKE, THIS IS MY PERSONAL OPINION, OBVIOUSLY IS JUST THE, THE, WE'RE SO CLOSE. I, IT FEELS LIKE WE CAN PUSH AN INCH AND FIND IT. MAYBE THAT'S A GOOD, THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. ALRIGHT, I APPRECIATE THAT. I CHARGE FOR THOSE . I UNDERSTAND. ONE OR TWO. WE'VE ALSO SPENT SOME TIME TRYING TO RAISE, UM, WALLS LIKE THIS TO COVER RIGHT. UM, WHAT'S GOING ON ON THE ROOF AS WELL. SO, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF WE REALLY WANNA TAKE AWAY WELL, THAT MATH WORK, I MEAN, THEY, THEY'LL COUNT. THEY'RE NOT GONNA, THEY'RE NOT GONNA LET US SEE IT. 'CAUSE IF THEY DO, WE'RE GONNA MAKE 'EM RAISE THE WALL. RIGHT. RIGHT. THAT'S NOT GONNA WORK. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. YOU KNOW, WE CERTAINLY DON'T WANNA TAKE AWAY AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN SEE ALL THE STUFF GOING ON. SO I, I THINK THE BACK PART, THE FACT THAT IT'S IN THE BACK IS NOT AS MUCH CONCERN AND THERE'S LANDSCAPING TO BOOT TO GIVE A, A ADDITIONAL GREENAGE. SO, UM, WE JUST DON'T, YOU KNOW, THE TOWN DOESN'T LIKE TO SEE THAT AIR CONDITIONER STUFF UP THERE. SURE. MM-HMM . AND, AND I UNDERSTAND THE STRUCTURALLY IT WOULD BE STRUCTURALLY HARD TO DO THAT AS BRICK. SO I I TOTALLY GET THAT. IT'S NOT JUST SOMETHING YOU ARBITRARILY DID. RIGHT, MS. TRIM. EXACTLY. SO WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO TALK, TALK? YEAH, I'LL LET HIM TALK ABOUT THE SITE. HANG AROUND. HE'S BEEN ITCHING. DID YOU SEE HIM BACK THERE? BOUNCING , , MARK UNDERWOOD, 7 84 DEANS CREEK DRIVE, COLLIERVILLE, TENNESSEE. UH, THANK YOU FOR LETTING US. HEY ALLISON, WHERE'S THE REVISED SITE PLAN? WHICH DIRECTION? IT, IT SEEMS MOST OF THE DISCUSSION IS HINGING AROUND ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES. I JUST WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE, THE SITE PLAN AND THE PARKING QUICKLY. THE, UH, AND, AND JUST ALSO JASON SHIFFLETS HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE DEVELOPER. TIM CLAY WITH CENTRAL CHURCH AND ALSO BRANDON DOSS WITH BLAIR PARKER DESIGN. HE'S A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT FOR THE LANDSCAPING THAT'S BEEN DONE. THE, UH, THE PARKING, WE HAD A GOOD MEETING WITH ALLISON AND TU TO DISCUSS SOME OF THE PARKING QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP AND, UH, NOT NECESSARILY ABOUT THE, THE PERCENTAGE IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING AS OPPOSED TO THE SIDE OR REAR, BUT SOME OF THE TRAFFIC MOVEMENTS. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS NTU AND ALLISON SUGGESTED THAT I DIDN'T THINK OF ON THE FRONT END WAS THAT WE STRIPED OUT TWO OF THE SPACES ON THE EXTREME NORTH END TO PROVIDE FOR, 'CAUSE IT'S ONE WAY AROUND THE BACK, TWO WAY IN FRONT TO PROVIDE A TURNAROUND SPACE FOR ANY, ANY CAR GETTING THROUGH. GOT A 26 FOOT LANE IN FRONT TOO, UH, FOR BETTER MOVEMENT. TRYING TO GET MORE PARKING PLACES IN FRONT OR ON THE SIDE, AS ALLISON MENTIONED, IS PROBLEMATIC IN THIS. AND I JUST WANTED TO EXPLAIN A COUPLE OF THINGS. I COULD HAVE ADDED A PARKING PLACE DOWN ON THE SOUTH END CLOSER TO THE DRIVE GOING OUT TO HOUSTON LEVEE, BUT I REALLY DON'T WANT CARS BARKED BACKING OUT RIGHT THERE BY, AS THEY'RE PULLING INTO THE PICKUP WINDOW. UH, SO THAT'S WHY I CHOSE NOT TO ADD ONE ON THAT SIDE. I JUST DIDN'T THINK THAT WORKED OUT WELL. THE, I DID ADD, I WAS ABLE TO ADD ONE BY CONDENSING THE LANDSCAPE ISLAND CLOSER TO THE SOUTHERN PICKUP WINDOW, UH, IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING. I ADDED PARKING PLACE IN FRONT OF THE, UH, THE BUILDING TO GET US ONE MORE SPACE THERE. UH, THE TRAFFIC MOVEMENTS WORK WELL ON THE SITE NOW. THE SUGGESTIONS THAT WERE MADE BY STAFF, I THINK WERE, UH, I WISH I HAD THOUGHT OF 'EM UP FRONT, BUT I DIDN'T. BUT THEY WERE GOOD SUGGESTIONS THAT WE'VE INCORPORATED INTO THE PLAN AND HAVE WORKING. NOW THE T DECK BUFFER, A AS YOU GUYS KNOW, I'LL SHUT UP IN A SECOND. IT IS A NON DISTURBANCE BUFFER, UH, THAT'S FROM THE TOP OF THE BANK OF THAT CHANNEL. WE'VE OBVIOUSLY GOT SURVEY AND TOPO THAT REFLECT, SO I CAN DELINEATE THE TOP OF BANK. WE'VE ALREADY SENT THIS TO T DECK. WE'VE GOTTEN APPROVAL FOR A 30 FOOT BUFFER RATHER THAN A 60 FOOT BUFFER. AND AGAIN, IT'S A NON DISTURBANCE. SO WE'RE HAVING TO GRADE THE SITE UP IN ORDER TO MAKE THIS. SO THE PAD WILL BE ELEVATED A LITTLE BIT AND I'M TRYING TO GIVE OURSELVES SOME ROOM FOR GRADING DOWN WITHOUT TOUCHING THAT BUFFER. UH, SO THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF TRYING TO KEEP 13 FEET. [00:25:01] WE ADD ANY KIND OF PARALLEL PARKING ON THAT SIDE. WE'RE BUILDING RETAINING WALLS WITH FOOTINGS AND GETTING INTO THE BUFFER. SO JUST WANTED TO EXPLAIN IT. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR LANDSCAPING MYSELF, ANY MORE ARCHITECTURAL, WE'RE HAPPY TO TRY TO ANSWER. UM, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MARK? NO. THANK YOU. UM, BRANDON, WOULD YOU LIKE TO, DOES ANYONE HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT LANDSCAPING? I, GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU. UH, BRANDON DOSS, BLAIR PARKER, DESIGN 5,100, UH, WHEELERS DRIVE IN MEMPHIS. UM, I DO WANT REITERATE A COUPLE THINGS THAT, UH, LYNN MENTIONED OTHERS HAVE MENTIONED. WE, UM, AT STAFFS REQUEST, WE DID ADD SOME ADDITIONAL EVERGREENS ALONG THE, UM, KIND OF THAT SOUTH, UH, EAST PORTION OF THE SITE BETWEEN THE SHARED ACCESS DRIVE AND THE DETENTION BASIN. IF I CAN FIGURE OUT, PUT THE LANDSCAPE PLAN IN. YES, RIGHT THERE. SO THIS IS, THIS IS THE ORIGINALLY SUBMITTED PLAN. IT'S NOT THE UPDATED, UM, ONE, BUT WE DID ADD SOME LARGE, UM, EVERGREENS IN THAT LOCATION TO PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL SCREENING BOTH FOR THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY AND ALL THAT'S ALSO ALONG THAT REAR FACADE WILL ALSO BE WHERE THE GAS METERS, ELECTRICAL METERS, ALL THAT STUFF IS. SO TO TRY AND CONTINUE TO SCREEN THAT, BUT ALSO TO ASSIST WITH THE, UH, THE 30% OF THAT TRIM MATERIAL IN THE REAR. UM, AND THEN I ALSO JUST WANTED TO CALL YOUR ATTENTION TO SOME OF THE OTHER SCREENING. UM, WE ARE REPLACING THE, UH, TREES AND THE MEDIAN LANDSCAPING THAT WILL BE REMOVED WITH REALIGNING THAT SHARED USE DRIVE, UH, WITH SHADE TREES BOTH IN THE MEDIAN, UM, FOR THE SHARED USE DRIVE. AND THEN ALSO BETWEEN THE SOUTHERN FACADE OF THE BUILDING AND THAT LANDSCAPE ISLAND BETWEEN THAT AND THE SHARED USE DRIVE. SO AGAIN, THAT ADDITIONAL, UM, LANDSCAPING ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THAT FACADE, UM, WE FEEL LIKE ASSISTS WITH SCREENING. WE'VE GOT THE STANDARD SORT OF, UH, TOWN OF CARVILLE AND IRONWOOD PD LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENT TO MET. UM, AND, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY KIND OF THE HIGHLIGHTS. I'M HAPPY TO GET INTO DETAILS IF ANYONE WANTS TO, BUT I ALSO WANNA BE RESPECTFUL OF YOUR TIME. SO THANK YOU BRANDON. I, I'VE GOT A LITTLE QUESTION FOR YOU. SURE THING. THOUGHT YOU MEANT THE EVERGREEN AREA YOU WERE TALKING TO. YES, SIR. DO YOU, UH, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT GONNA PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, BUT HAVE YOU REALLY THOUGHT OF, UH, WHAT, WHAT YOU MIGHT USE SINCE IT'S A DETENTION BASIN AND BE RATHER WET? WE HAVE, SO MY CIRCLE IS NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT ACCURATE. WHAT, WHAT WE DID WAS WE ACTUALLY, UM, WE SHIFTED THAT SHADE TREE A LITTLE BIT, UH OKAY. THIS WAY. AND WE PULLED 'EM OUT TO THE TOP OF BANK, SO THEY WEREN'T GONNA BE, UH OKAY. WOULD HAVE WET FEET. UM, AND WHAT WE'VE GOT ON THERE, LET ME DOUBLE CHECK THAT I DON'T, UH, GIVE YOU AN INCORRECT ONE. I BELIEVE IT'S THE, UH, AN UPRIGHT MAGNOLIA, UM, ON THAT, ON THAT SIDE. AND WE'VE SPACED THEM ABOUT, AT ABOUT 75%, YOU KNOW, FULL WIDTH. SO THAT, UM, AND YEARS REGULAR GRAND FLORA OR YOU GONNA USE LITTLE GYM OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, OR, IT'S THE TEDDY BEAR. OKAY. YEAH. THAT'S A GRAND FLORA C YEAH. GRAND FLORA, BUT A CULT BAR. SURE. ALRIGHT. AND I NOTICED YOU GOT SWAMP WHITE OAKS. THOSE ARE GOOD. YES, SIR. I, I LIKE YOUR SELECTION OF TREES IN HERE 'CAUSE THANK YOU. YOU'VE GOT NOT THE SAME OLD THING. YEAH, WE TRIED TO DO A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, UM, YOU KNOW, DOING THE OAKS IN THE BASIN, UM, TO MEET THE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE TREASON POST-DEVELOPMENT CONDITION REQUIREMENTS. UM, WE DID GO TO, UM, THE ATED CULTIVARS ALONG HOUSTON LEVEE BECAUSE THE OVERHEAD POWER IS ON OUR SIDE OF THE STREET. UM, WE'RE SADLY HAVING TO REMOVE THE OAKS THAT ARE OUT THERE. UM, BUT THEY'RE ABOUT TWO YEARS AWAY FROM FINDING MWS UH, TRIMMING TRUCKS ANYWAY. SO, UM, WE'VE, WE'VE GONE TO AIG, A TIGHTER COLD BAR THAT'S A TREE THAT GROWS MORE UPRIGHT, NOT SPREAD OUT AS MUCH, UM, UP THERE TO AVOID, UM, THE INTERFERENCE WITH THE POWER LINES AND THEIR EASEMENT, BUT ALSO SO THAT IN 15 TO 20 YEARS THEY DON'T GET BUZZED. YOU KNOW, IN THEORY THEY STILL GET TO KEEP SOME OF THEIR FORM IN SHAPE. SO, UM, I NOTICED THE A DA DOESN'T LINE UP WITH THE SIDEWALK. I THINK IT JUST NEEDS TO BE MOVED A LITTLE BIT. YEAH. AND THAT'S BEEN WORKED OUT WITH THE REVISED SITE PLAN. OKAY. AGAIN, THAT WAS JUST A, UM, THE STRIPING WILL JUST CHANGES. YEP. OKAY. GO. UM, ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR BRANDON? I, I WILL MAKE ONE LITTLE, LITTLE COMMENT. UM, YOU KNOW, MY BACKGROUND OF COURSE IS IN LANDSCAPING AND, AND I AGREE IN LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE, BUT I THINK THE BIGGEST PROBLEM IS SO MANY TIMES THAT LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS DO PLANS THAT ARE ACTUALLY GOOD. [00:30:01] THE MAINTENANCE DESTROYS IT. AND SO, UM, I THINK THAT IT SHOULD BE, AND I MEAN, IT IS JUST A WISHLIST, UH, LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS OUGHT TO CHARGE FOR GIVING AN EXTENSIVE INSTRUCTIONS ON HOW THIS STUFF SHOULD BE CARED FOR AND TRIMMED BECAUSE THE MAINTENANCE HAS GOTTEN LOWER AND LOWER AND LOWER AND WORSE AND WORSE ON COMMERCIAL. IT HAS. WE, SO WE'VE FOUND THAT AS WELL. SO THEY, THEY'LL COME IN AND TAKE YOUR ARVID AND CUT EVERY SINGLE LEAF OFF OF IT. YEAH, I'D LIKE TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT COMMENT THAT I'D ALSO LIKE TO SEE IF YOU CAN GET PEOPLE TO READ THE DIRECTIONS AND FOLLOW. OH, I, I FLAGGED THE DOG AWAY ONE TIME, SAVE AND HAD IT SIX FOOT LONG AND RAN OVER TO THE BULLDOZER. SO, SORRY, I SNORTED. I DIDN'T MEAN TO, NOBODY'S WATCHING THAT ON TV TONIGHT. THAT'S, UH, THAT'S PUBLIC RECORD FOR YOU. HEY, UM, YES SIR. WE, WE AGREE AND WE HAVE, UH, PROVIDED SOME, UH, CLIENTS WITH MAINTENANCE MANUALS, UM, TO THAT EXTENT. UM, BUT IT, THEN WE CAN REALLY GO ASK 'EM IF THEY DON'T TAKE CARE OF IT. YEAH. AND I KNOW, UH, THE TOWN HAS STEPPED UP SOME OF THEIR CODE INSPECTIONS RECENTLY AS WELL. SO, UM, HOPEFULLY THAT THAT'LL HELP ASSIST WITH THAT AS WELL. BUT FROM A PRUNING AND MAINTENANCE PRACTICES, I FEEL LIKE YOU AND I COULD PROBABLY HAVE A VERY LONG CONVERSATION ABOUT, ABOUT, UH, WHAT IS PROPER VERSUS WHAT IS, UM, KIND OF, UH, CUSTOM IN OUR REGION. SO, WELL, I WILL SAY, I, I LIKE THE DIVERSITY IN WHAT YOU DID HERE. IT'S REALLY GOOD. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE THAT. UM, DO WE WANNA PUT UP THE MOTION SO WE CAN THINK ABOUT IT? OKAY. SHOULD WE VOTE ON THESE SEPARATE? YES. OKAY. DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? UM, AND YOU'RE SAYING YOU COULD GET TO 25% ON ALL SIDES? IS THAT HOW WE LEFT THAT? I THINK WE CAN GET CLOSE. I I, I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN GUARANTEE IT, UH, RIGHT NOW, BUT WE CAN, WE WILL DO OUR BEST TO GET DOWN TO, UH, 25%. WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE SOUTHERN ELEVATION AND THE REAR ELEVATION, UH, AGAIN, AND WE'VE GOT EXTENSIVE LANDSCAPING SCREENING, UH, TO TRY TO ASSIST THAT. SO TREES, YEAH. AND WELL, YES, AND, AND TREES THAT ARE EXISTING THERE. THE, THE REAR PART OF THE BUILDING TOWARDS CENTRAL CHURCH, THERE'S A LARGE BUFFERS OF TREES THAT ARE ALREADY IN PLACE. UM, YEAH, THEY'RE DAWNS PULLING IT UP RIGHT THERE. I, I GUESS A QUESTION FOR ALLISON WOULD BE, UM, THE PRESIDENT. HAVE WE EVER APPROVED THE BACKSIDE OF A BUILDING TO HAVE MORE THAN 25% IF IT DOESN'T FACE, UM, PUBLIC? YOU KNOW, UM, BEING IN MY EIGHTH MONTH HERE, UM, I THINK MAYBE JAMIE, UH, MAY BE, UM, BETTER ABLE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION. IN TERMS OF WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST. I CAN'T REMEMBER ANY. SO THE, THE GUIDELINES OR THE, THIS, THIS SET OF REGULATIONS HAVE CHANGED OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS. ABOUT THREE OR FOUR YEARS AGO THEY WERE CHANGED TO THE CURRENT FORMAT. UH, THERE MAY HAVE BEEN SOME PROJECTS THAT WERE APPROVED BEFORE THAT, THAT DID HAVE, UM, BEFORE WE REALLY GOT INTO SOME OF THE PERCENTAGES, UH, THAT, THAT DID HAVE MORE, MORE OF A CERTAIN MATERIAL ON A FACADE. UH, BUT IN RECENT YEARS, UH, THE BOARD HAS TRIED, AND THIS BEING THE BOARD OR THE BOARD OF MAYOR AND ALDERMAN HAS TRIED TO EVENLY APPLY THESE STANDARDS TO ALL FACADE. SO ONE EXAMPLE IS LIKE THE, THE SPRINGS AT ASHBY APARTMENT COMPLEX. THEY ASKED FOR SOME FLEXIBILITY, UH, BUT WE DID NOT AFFORD THAT FLEXIBILITY. WE MADE SURE THAT BRICK WAS EVENLY DISTRIBUTED AMONG ALL FACADES. ANOTHER ONE WAS MORRISON VILLAGE, THAT THAT COMES TO MIND. AND WE DID ASK FOR BRICK TO BE INTEGRATED INTO ALL FACADES, NOT, NOT JUST THE MORE VISIBLE FACADES. SO IT'S NOT EXACTLY THE SAME, BUT FOR EACH, I GUESS THERE IS A CONSISTENCY IN HOW WE'VE INTERPRETED EACH FACADE STANDING ALONE AND NOT TREATING THE BUILDING AS AN AGGREGATION PER PERCENTAGES. OKAY. THANK YOU. HOPE THAT HELPS. DOES SOMEONE WANT TO MAKE A MOTION? BUT LET'S MAKE A FIRST, THE FIRST MOTION. WELL, ONE OTHER COMMENT JUST, I MEAN, IT'S, TO ME, IT'S A LITTLE WIDE OPEN HERE. MAYBE. I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING SOMEWHERE 30% OR LESS. WE WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR IN THE MOTION. I THINK WHEN WE, WE MAKE, WE TYPICALLY, WHEN WE HAVE DONE SOMETHING THAT DID THIS, WE HAVE TO JUSTIFY THIS [00:35:01] BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T, THE NEXT PERSON COMES ALONG AND WILL DEMAND THE SAME THING. SO WE HAVE TO HAVE A LEGITIMATE, TO ME, THAT PARAPET IDEA. AND I KNOW STRUCTURALLY THAT, THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED. SO I THINK THAT TO ME, THAT MAKES IT OKAY ON THAT SIDE BECAUSE THERE IS A, THERE IS A LEGITIMATE REASON FOR THAT. IT'S NOT ARBITRARY OR ANYTHING, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S JUST HOW I FEEL ON THAT. WHAT DO Y'ALL THINK? I AGREE. SO THAT WOULD MEAN JUST THE REAR AND NOT THE, WAS IT SOUTH ELEVATION? SO THAT ONE WOULD HAVE TO GET TO 25. WELL SEE, THE, THE THING ABOUT IT, BRICK, IT HAS TO HAVE, THERE HAS CAN'T JUST BE A, A STRAIGHT AREA. IT HAS TO BE QUITE LARGE IN ORDER TO DO THAT. AND YOU, YOU END UP WITH A LOT MORE WEIGHT, UH, AS WELL ON YOUR WALL. YOU CAN, IT CAN BE DONE, BUT, UM, IT, I CAN UNDERSTAND. I, AND FROM MY STANDPOINT, I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT WE DO HAVE TO JUSTIFY WHAT WE'RE DOING. 'CAUSE OTHERWISE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WE DIDN'T MAKE UP THE RULES. TH THIS AND, AND IF WE GAVE YOU APPROVAL ON IT AND THE BOARD OF MAYOR AND ALDER 'EM DON'T LIKE IT, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT WE SAY. WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO REDUCE THE PARAPET AND MOVE THE EQUIPMENT FURTHER SOMEWHERE ELSE? DOES THIS START HERE? WE, SO WHERE THE ROOFTOP UNITS ARE IN PLACED CURRENTLY, UH, SPECIFICALLY FOR, UH, DOMINO'S, UH, IT HAS TO BE IN, IN PRETTY MUCH AT THAT LOCATION TO FIT THEIR, UH, LAY INTERNAL LAYOUT WHERE, YOU KNOW, AVOID THE, UH, VENT HOODS AND, AND OTHER, UH, ROOFTOP PENETRATIONS. UH, YOU KNOW, WE COULD, UH, YOU KNOW, AND JUST ONE SO WE'RE CLEAR IF WE'RE GOOD, YOU KNOW, MAKING IT 25% ON THAT SOUTH SIDE. I THINK WE'RE JUST, YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT THAT, UH, EAST SIDE REAR REPAIR BIT. UM, AND I THINK, UH, MR. S HAD A GOOD RECOMMENDATION MAYBE, YOU KNOW, REALLY, UH, LOOKING CLOSELY AT OKAY. ARE WE, UH, ALSO, YOU KNOW, UH, DEDUCTING, UH, CURRENTLY THE PARAPET CAP, YOU KNOW, YOU WERE SHOWING, SHOWING ABOUT FOUR INCHES OR SO. IF WE MAKE THAT A SIX INCH CAP THAT WE CLOSER TO THAT 25%. UM, BUT YEAH, IT CORRECT, IT IS, IT'S A STRUCTURAL THING. YOU, YOU TYPICALLY DON'T WANT TO HANG ESPECIALLY A, A LENGTH OF, OF THAT, YOU KNOW, DON'T REALLY JUST WANNA HANG, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT KIND OF WEIGHT OUTSIDE, YOU KNOW, THE BUILDING ENVELOPE, UH, WITHOUT PERIODIC SUPPORTS. AND IT, I THINK THAT WOULD DETRACT FROM THE, THE LOOK OF THE BUILDING. DEF DEFINITELY NOT TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, JUMP IN ON STRUCTURAL ENGINEERING, BUT WOULDN'T SEEM LIKE THAT'S A HURDLE THAT ISN'T ABLE TO BE JUMPED OVER. IN MY EXPERIENCE. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, MAKING IT THAT PARAPET RIGID, UM, THROUGH AN ADDITIONAL SUPPORT MEMBER. AND YOU KNOW, IN MY WORLD, LIKE NOTHING'S, I ALWAYS MAKE THE JOKE THAT EVERYTHING'S EASY FOR ME 'CAUSE I DON'T HAVE TO DO IT. UM, BUT IF I CALLED THE ENGINEER AND SAID, I NEED TO MAKE THAT MORE RIGID IN ORDER TO ADD X, Y, Z, GENERALLY SPEAKING, IT'S, IT'S PROBABLY, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IS IT ACHIEVABLE? CAN WE CHALLENGE IT? SEE WHAT WE CAN COME UP WITH INSTEAD OF JUST ARBITRARILY SAYING, WE WILL JUST CHANGE THE RULES. RIGHT. I FEELS LIKE THERE COULD BE A PUSH MADE AND IF IT WAS CLOSE AND YOU CAME BACK AT 24.35%, WELL THAT'S A, YOU KNOW, THANK YOU FOR TRYING, RIGHT? I MEAN, I JUST, MY OPINION, IT'S LIKE WE'RE, YOU'RE CLOSE AND THE CALCULATION HASN'T BEEN FULLY VETTED AND I'M NOT EVEN SURE WHAT IT WOULD BE IF YOU RAN THE NUMBER ON IT. AND WE'RE JUST, YOU KNOW, KNOWING THE TOWN, WE WANT TO BE APPROACHABLE AND WE WANNA WORK WITH YOU, BUT ALSO KNOWING THAT YOU GUYS WENT THROUGH A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF EFFORT TO COME HERE TO ASK FOR DOING IT DIFFERENTLY. UM, BUT I'LL BE CURIOUS WHAT THE MATH ACTUALLY IS. I JUST SAY ONE THING. I, WE WOULD, UH, GRATEFULLY ENTERTAIN WORKING WITH STAFF TO BRING THAT NUMBER DOWN, UH, WITH SOME OF THESE SUGGESTIONS. I'M NOT SURE HOW THIS MOTION WOULD WORK. UH, IF IT HAS TO BE 25%, IT'S 25%. BUT WE WOULD LOVE THE, THE ABILITY TO WORK WITH STAFF AND, UH, THEY, THEY'VE BEEN REALLY GOOD IN HELPING US, UH, WITH SOME OF THE SOLUTIONS ALREADY ON THE PROPERTY. AND I THINK WE COULD WORK WELL WITH EACH OTHER TO DO EXACTLY THAT. I'M AN INTERNAL OPTIMIST, BUT YEAH. DON'T LET MY TIRED EYES FOOL YOU. I MEAN, I BELIEVE THAT IT'S DOABLE. I, YOU KNOW, AND I STARTED TO RUN CALCULATIONS WHILE I'M SITTING HERE AND I THOUGHT I'M TOO TIRED FOR THAT . [00:40:01] SO, BUT YEAH, THAT'S JUST MY THOUGHTS ON IT AND, YOU KNOW, SO, UM, I, YES, YES, YES. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE. YES, MA'AM. GOOD EVENING. JASON SHIFFLETT, UM, ADDRESS IS 46 20 46, 22 SPRING PLACE COVE IN OLIVE BRANCH, MISSISSIPPI. UM, WE DIDN'T JUST PUT THESE PLANS TOGETHER. WE DID HAVE AN ENGINEER FOR THE BIGGIE STEEL WHO RAN IT PARTICULARLY IN THE BACK. MM-HMM . AND HAS A CERTAIN WEIGHT LOAD. AND I EVEN ASKED THE QUESTION, WHY DO WE NEED TO PUT THAT UP? RIGHT? AND IT'S BECAUSE MR. LAWHON MENTIONED THE, THE, UH, THE GUTTER SYSTEM, RIGHT. AND TO BE ABLE TO HANG THE, THE, THE MASONRY AND STUFF ON THERE WOULDN'T WORK. WE HAD TO DO THE NEW TECH WOOD AND THAT WAS THE CASE TOO. WE RAN THE SAME ANALYSIS IN OLIVE BRANCH WHEN WE BUILT THE SIMILAR BUILDING. AND IN ALIA LAST YEAR WHEN WE DID THE SAME THING MM-HMM . SO, I MEAN, WE HAVE PUT THE TIME INTO IT ALREADY. I CERTAINLY DIDN'T MEAN TO MAKE THAT YOU DIDN'T, I, I CAN TELL YOU'VE PUT A LOT OF TIME IN. SURE, NO DOUBT ABOUT IT. UM, 'CAUSE MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE BRICK, WE JUST, WE COULDN'T DO IT. MM-HMM . UM, ALSO AS FAR AS MOVING THE, THE ROOFTOP UNITS, UM, THEY'RE PLACED, AND AGAIN, LOADS ON THE, THE ENGINEERING OF THE, UH, UH, OF THE METAL BUILDING, THE STEEL THAT'S UP THERE, THEY HAD TO BE PLACED IN THOSE CERTAIN SPOTS, PARTICULARLY IN THE NORTH AND SOUTH END BECAUSE IT'S A RESTAURANT USE. AND WE REQUIRE AT LEAST 15 TONS OF AIR CONDITIONING. SO THERE'S SEVEN AND A HALF TON UNITS. WE HAD TO RAISE THE PARAPET BECAUSE THE UNITS ARE BIGGER AND THEY HAD TO BE FULLY SCREENED. SO THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE PURPOSE BEHIND IT. UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, REALLY APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS. I, I THINK WE CAN, YOU KNOW, GET SOME MATH AND, AND IT WOULD HELP US WITH THE CAPS A BIT. UM, BUT IF WE COULD TAKE THE, THE PROPOSED REASONING BEHIND IT AND SAY, YOU KNOW, A MAX OF 30% WITH WORKING TOWARDS STAFF OF GETTING DOWN BELOW 25, I MEAN, WE'D BE, WE'D BE ALL FOR IT. SO, UM, YEAH. THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERATION. I APPRECIATE IT. DID YOU ALL DO A SITE STUDY WHERE YOU FOR SURE NEED A PARAPET THAT TALL? I MEAN, MAYBE YOU DON'T NEED ONE THAT TALL. I DON'T KNOW. WE, UH, WE HAD THREE DIMENSIONAL, UH, YOU KNOW, GROUND LEVEL AND, UH, SCHEMATICS DONE WHERE THAT'S THE HEIGHT WOULD, UH, WOULD BE REQUIRED. OKAY. UH, FOR, UH, TO SCREEN THE UNITS SUFFICIENTLY THAT FOR THEM TO WORK WITH STAFF. DOES ANYONE WANT TO MAKE, WE TRYING TO MAKE IT TO WORK WITH STAFF WITH CONDITION, WORK WITH STAFF TO GET IT AS CLOSE TO APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS OR WHAT YOU THINK JUST STRAIGHT UP DO IT? WELL, I, I WOULD WANT 25%, BUT THAT'S JUST ME. YEAH, I AGREE. UM, BUT YOU ALL MAKE THE MOTION. I CAN'T MAKE A MOTION. OKAY. YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO MAKE A MOTION? NO ONE WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION. I'LL DO IT. OKAY. CAN'T, I DON'T THINK. NO, NO. PLEASE GO AHEAD. I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE USE OF NEW TECH ULTRA SHIELD COMPOSITE WOOD SIDING AS AN ACCENT BUILDING MATERIAL LESS THAN 25% OF THE NET FACADE AREA OF ANY SIDE. AND EXCLUDES WINDOWS DOORS FOR THE NEW MULTI-TENANT BUILDING WITHIN THE IRONWOOD PD. PHASE 28. SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? NO. OKAY. UH, WOULD YOU CALL ROLL PLEASE? MR. FRAZIER? YES. MR. LAWHON? YES. MS. JORDAN? YES. MS. PEELER? YES. MR. LAMORE? YES. MR. ROBBINS? YES. MS. DON HART? YES. UM, MOTION NUMBER TWO WOULD DEALS WITH THE PARKING. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? ANYONE WANNA MAKE A MOTION? I THINK SOUNDS REASONABLE. MS. RECALL? ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENT? DID YOU SAY EARLIER THAT IT'S 59% NOW INSTEAD OF 62? YES SIR. THAT'S CORRECT. SHOULD WE CHANGE THAT? 62 TO 59 TO 59, RIGHT? CORRECT. OKAY. OKAY. I MAKE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF A WAIVER TO ALLOW MORE THAN 50% OF THE REQUIRED PARKING SPACES TO BE PLACED IN BETWEEN THE BUILDING'S FRONT FACADE AND HOUSTON LEVEE ROAD. A PERCENTAGE OF PARKING BETWEEN THE BUILDING'S FRONT FACADE AND HOUSTON LEVEE ROAD SHALL NOT EXCEED 59%. I SECOND IT. OH, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL ROLL MR. LAWHON? [00:45:01] YES. MS. JORDAN? YES. MS. PEELER? YES. MR. LAMORE? YES. MR. FRAZIER? YES. MR. ROBBINS? YES. MS. DONNAR? YES. THE MOTION WAS APPROVED. UM, I DO HAVE A FEW [9 Other Business] ANNOUNCEMENTS. UM, OF COURSE, DON'T FORGET TO CHECK OUT OUR DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY MAP. WE'VE HAD A COUPLE NEW APPLICATIONS COME IN. I DON'T THINK IT'LL BE ANY, YOU'LL SEE, BUT THERE'S LIKE A COUPLE CS FOR THE THOMPSON MACHINE INDUSTRIAL CAMPUS THAT Y'ALL HAD A WORK SESSION ON A WHILE BACK. UM, ALSO WE GOT SOME ANNOUNCEMENTS ABOUT THE 2050 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THERE IS A COMP PLAN EVENT, UM, WITH THE CONSULTANTS. UH, AUGUST 22ND. IT'S GONNA BE AT THE CARVILLE HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL GAME. THERE'S A ACTIVITY PLAN FOR AUGUST 23RD, WHICH IS A SUNDAY AT THE STEERING COMMITTEE MEETING. UM, ON THE 24TH, WHICH IS A MONDAY. THEY'LL MEET AT 1:00 PM TO 3:00 PM AT THE BOARD AT THE CHAMBER, UH, CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. AND THERE'S A BMA WORK SESSION THAT SAME DAY AT 4:00 PM AT TOP TOWN HALL. AND THEN ANOTHER STEERING COMMITTEE MEETING WILL BE ON SEPTEMBER 1ST, WHICH WILL BE AT ITS NORMAL LOCATION IN TIME. UM, THE UPCOMING DRC MEETING, THERE ARE NO ITEMS ON THE AGENDA JUST YET, BUT THE DEADLINE IS ON THE 18TH, SO SOMETHING MAY COME IN. AND THAT CONCLUDES MY ANNOUNCEMENTS. UM, ARE THERE ANY OTHER BUSINESS THAT'S, THAT'S ALL. OKAY. ALRIGHT. WE ARE ADJOURNED. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.