[00:00:05]
IS EVERYONE, IS EVERYONE THAT SAID IT WAS COMING? YES.
I'D LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE HISTORIC DISTRICT COMMISSION MEETING OF JULY 23RD, 2002, 26.
UH, IF WE COULD HAVE A QUICK ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
UH, WE NEED TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.
JAMIE, DO YOU HAVE ANY CHANGES OR ANYTHING FROM YOUR POINT OF VIEW? COMMISSIONER FIRST, CAN WE, UH, DO WE HEAR A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES? MOTION TO APPROVE.
WILL WE HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? COMMISSIONER GIBBON? YES.
WE HAVE, UH, BASICALLY A WORK SESSION ON THE AGENDA.
I THINK ITEMS EIGHT AND NINE SHOULD BE SWAP IF WE HAVE A MOTION TO ADJUST EIGHT AND NINE.
SO WE CAN DO THESE IN SORT OF ORDER.
SO WE NEED TO ADJUST THE AGENDA.
I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA MOVING.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
THAT GIVES US TO OUR OTHER BUSINESS, I BELIEVE.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO, YOU, WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO DO STAFF FIRST AND YOU NEXT? OR HOW WOULD YOU LIKE THAT BE? OKAY.
YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING NEW OR ALLISON? ALLISON, WOULD YOU, WOULD YOU LIKE TO PRESENT SOMETHING NEW TO US? YEAH, LET'S, LET'S DO IT.
UH, JAMIE, IF YOU COULD, UH, SO JUST, YOU KNOW, A REMINDER, THIS IS FOR, UH, AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
UH, SO IT'S NOT IN THE NATIONAL REGISTERED DISTRICT, BUT IT IS IN OUR LOCAL HISTORIC OVERLAY.
UM, IT WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1958.
IT'S CONSIDERED A MINIMAL TRADITIONAL STYLE WITH THE TUTOR ACCENTS.
UH, YOU GUYS DID FIND THE STRUCTURE TO BE CONTRIBUTING TO THE LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT AT YOUR MAY MEETING.
UH, MORE INFORMATION WAS REQUESTED.
WE HAD A WORK SESSION IN JUNE, AND THEN, THEN YOU GUYS PROVIDED SOME INFORMATION, YOU KNOW, VIA EMAIL.
WE PASSED THAT ALONG TO THE APPLICANT.
AND NOW THIS IS THEIR RESPONSE TO THAT INFORMATION.
AND JAMIE, YOU COULD GO TO ONE MORE.
UM, AND THIS IS JUST TO ORIENT OURSELVES WITHIN OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT, THOSE DASHED LINES OR THE NATIONAL HISTORIC DISTRICT.
SO THIS PROPERTY BUTTS UP, UH, TO THE REAR OF THE NATIONAL HISTORIC DISTRICT.
AND THEN THAT BOLD, UH, BLACK LINE IS OUR LOCAL DISTRICT.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, IT WAS, IT HASN'T BEEN SURVEYED, UM, BUT TO THE EAST, UH, IT'S NEXT DOOR TO A PROPERTY THAT MAY BE ELIGIBLE FOR NATIONAL REGISTER.
IT'S NEAR, UH, PROPERTIES OF A SIMILAR AGE THAT HAVE BEEN DETERMINED TO NOT BE, UM, THE TERM IS HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT, BUT THAT JUST MEANS LIKELY NOT ELIGIBLE FOR NATIONAL REGISTER.
IT'S NOT NECESSARILY SAYING THAT IT DOESN'T CONTRIBUTE TO THE CHARACTER OF OUR, OF OUR LOCAL DISTRICT.
UM, AND THIS IS A, A, A IMAGE OF HOW THE HOUSE LOOKS TODAY.
UM, AND SOME OF THE, THE MAJOR CHANGES THAT I THINK WILL LIKELY BE THE FOCUS OF THE CONVERSATION, UM, TONIGHT, UH, IS THE GERMAN SMEAR THAT THE APPLICANTS WOULD LIKE TO DO ON THE BRICK.
UM, THEY WOULD PROBABLY HAVE SOME COLOR SAMPLES HERE TONIGHT.
UM, THE EXTENSION OF THE FRONT PORCH, UH, AND THEN THE ADDITION, UM, THAT WILL BE VISIBLE, UH, FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY ON THE WEST SIDE.
AND JAMIE, SHE COULD GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
UM, THESE ARE THE THREE ELEVATION RENDERINGS THAT THEY, UH, PROVIDED A, B, AND C.
AND THEN I WILL JUST TURN IT OVER TO THE APPLICANT.
UM, IF YOU GUYS WANTED TO ELABORATE ON ANYTHING.
SO WHAT WE DID WITH THIS WAS WE JUST HAD, UM, THE LETTER THAT WE RECEIVED THIS LAST LETTER, UM,
[00:05:02]
WAS, UM, WHAT WE DECIDED TO DO.WE JUST TURNED THE LETTER OVER TO OUR, OUR ARCHITECT WITH EVERYTHING THAT GOT MENTIONED IN THE LETTER.
AND SO WE SAID, HERE, THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT WAS IN THE LETTER, THIS IS WHAT THE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE.
AND THESE ARE THE DRAWINGS THAT HE CAME UP WITH.
UM, OUR FIRST PROBLEM WITH IT IS THAT THESE TWO WINDOWS DO NOT MATCH.
UM, THE PART OF ANOTHER THING THAT WAS IN THE LETTER IS THAT THE BRICK DIDN'T BELONG UP HERE IN THIS PART OF THE EVE.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE HOUSE AS IT EXISTS NOW IT'S BRICKED.
UM, SO, SO THAT WAS, THAT WAS TWO MAJOR THINGS THERE.
THEN WE ALSO DIDN'T KNOW IF WE HAD TO HAVE THE RAILING AT THAT TIME BECAUSE OF THE HEIGHT OF THE PORCH.
BUT WE HAVE SINCE FOUND OUT, AND WE'VE MEASURED IT ALL THE WAY ACROSS, IT'S 27 INCHES DOWN.
SO ACCORDING TO CODE, THAT MEANS WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THE RAILING.
SO WE WOULD NOT HAVE THE RAILING.
THE OTHER, UM, MAJOR THING, IF EVERYBODY CAN SEE IT, I HAVE A PULL A POST IN FRONT OF MY FRONT DOOR AND JUST SO THAT IT WOULD BE EVEN ACROSS.
AND, UM, I WENT ALL OVER THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND THERE ARE NO POSTS IN FRONT OF ANYBODY'S FRONT DOOR JUST TO MAKE IT LOOK EVEN.
AND, UM, SO TO ME THAT'S A, THAT'S A HAZARD TO ME BECAUSE IF I'VE HAD TWO FAMILY MEMBERS THAT HAVE BEEN OUT IN HOSPICE, WE COULDN'T GET SOMEBODY OUT THE FRONT DOOR WITH THAT POST FEE IN THERE.
HOW WIDE IS THAT PORCH, SIR? HOW WIDE IS THE PORCH? THE PORCH IS, UM, WELL, IT KIND OF DEPENDS ON WHERE YOU WANNA STOP THE PORCH.
IF WE JUST STOP THE PORCH WHERE IT IS IN HERE ON THIS, ON THE PICTURES WHERE IT'S NOT COMING OVER ALL THE WAY, THEN THE PORCH IS NINE FOOT OUT.
I'M TALKING ABOUT FROM THE HOUSE TO THE, TO THE YARD.
IS IT LIKE THREE FEET OR FOUR FEET? HOW DEEP IS THE PORCH? THE DEEP? YEAH, IT IS BACK SIX FOOT.
IF YOU LOOK AT, UM, SIX BY FOUR, I THINK.
YEAH, THE PICTURES RIGHT THERE ARE PICTURES.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE PICTURE THAT'S ON THERE, THE PART WHERE THE SWING IS, THAT'S NINE.
AND THEN WHERE THE WINDOWS EXISTING, EXISTING, YOU GOT A FIVE FIVE AND A SIX, SIX DIMENSION.
YOU GOT 11 FOOT AND IT'S GOT, UH, WHERE WE WOULD EXTEND IT OUT AND COME IN FRONT OF THE NEW FRONT DOOR WOULD BE SIX FEET.
12 FEET BY YOUR, THAT'S I'M NOT EXPLAINING MYSELF.
HOW FAR IS IT FROM THE FRONT DOOR WHEN THEY'RE CLOSED TO THE DROP OFF INTO THE, INTO THE DRIVE? IS IT 12 FEET? WHERE THE DOOR WILL BE IS A WINDOW.
HOW FAR IS IT WHEN YOU COME OUT YOUR FRONT DOOR AND YOU GO STRAIGHT? HOW FAR BEFORE YOU STEP DOWN? WELL, IT'S NOT THAT FAR.
WE TALKING ABOUT THE NEW PLAN OR THE OLD PLAN? I THINK THAT'S NEW PLAN.
IF IT'S THE NEW PLAN, IT WILL BE THE DOOR, THE NEW PLAN.
IT'S A BIG PORCH IF YOU PUT THE PORCH ON THERE.
I I'M, YOU'RE TELLING ME WHAT I NEEDED TO KNOW AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS TOO BIG.
SO I THOUGHT, AND IT'S NO BIG DEAL.
I JUST WANT IF IF YOU, IF YOU GO FROM THE BACK OF THE SWING THAT FROM THE NO, FROM THE FRONT DOOR.
FROM THE FRONT DOOR, IT'LL BE SIX.
IF YOU GO TO YOUR PROPOSED FLOOR PLAN, PLEASE.
I DON'T THINK THE FLOOR PLANS EXIST.
IT IS NOT, BUT YOU CAN PULL IT UP.
I NOTICED MYSELF, I NOTICED THE, THE FOLKS IN FRONT OF THE DOOR AND IT LOOKED ODD TO ME.
SO I, AND I'M NOT AN ARCHITECT OR DESIGNER, BUT I DON'T KNOW.
IS THAT WHAT IT SAYS? YOU CAN'T MOVE THE, IF YOU TOOK OUT A POST AND CENTERED IT, CAN YOU MOVE THE, THE FRONT DOOR BACK FORTH A LITTLE BIT? YOU CAN MOVE IT SIDE TO SIDE.
WELL, I MEAN EAST OR WEST, YOU CAN THE CODE CLOSET, OTHER SIDE MOVE THE DOOR THAT WOULD ALIGN WITH THIS SECTION.
THE REALITY IS BEING 12 FOOT BACK AND BEING AN OFF OFFSET HORSE BEING SITTING ON THE COLUMNS, WE WOULD NEVER BE CONCERNED WITH THAT.
BUT MELISSA, UNLESS IT'S A COLONIAL GEORGIAN HOUSE WHERE FIRST FLOOR AND SAY THAT EVERYTHING ALIGN SYMMETRY, AND THIS HOUSE IS AN ASYMMETRICAL HOUSE.
[00:10:01]
WELL, I WAS CONCERNED 'CAUSE SHE SAID SHE COULDN'T GET SOMEBODY IN THE DOOR THAT'S IN A WHEELCHAIR OR WHATEVER.BUT YEAH,
SO I, I KNOW, I KNOW YOU, I'M JUST KIND OF HELPING SEE YOU PROCESS.
IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE COLUMN LINED UP IN FRONT OF YOUR DOOR, THAT'S JUST, THAT'S JUST AN PATHETIC ISSUE, NOT A FUNCTIONAL ISSUE.
WHAT DO YOU A COLUMN IN FRONT OF? I MEAN, JUST GET THE COLUMN AWAY FROM THE FRONT DOOR SOMEHOW.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE HOUSE NOW, IT'S NINE AND A HALF FOOT WHERE THE SWING SITS.
WHERE'S, I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT SIT.
THAT'S THE, IT'S ON THE ORIGINAL HOUSE HERE.
SO PICTURE, OKAY, SO WHERE IT IS RIGHT NOW, I'M SORRY.
SO IF YOU MEASURE THAT RIGHT THERE, IF THIS IS NINE AND A HALF FOOT, THIS IS NINE AND A HALF FOOT.
SO, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THIS PART OF THE PORCH.
SO WHAT WE WERE SAYING IS, IS THAT WE WOULD BRING THE PORCH OUT TO HERE AND GO ACROSS THAT WOULD MAKE THAT, BUT THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY PART.
BUT THIS RIGHT HERE WOULD ONLY BE SIX.
THE ARCHITECT IS SHOWING SOMETHING TOTALLY DIFFERENT WHAT YOUR WORDS ARE SAYING.
JUST SO YOU KNOW, WHAT HE'S SHOWING IS FROM, FROM THIS DOOR INTO THE PORCH IS 12 FEET.
I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL HAVE COORDINATED WHAT HE'S PROPERLY, JUST SO YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I MEAN, THE NUMBERS DON'T LIE.
AND HE'S, HE'S SHOWING 12 FEET.
THAT'S WHY I SAID I SEE THAT AND I SEE THIS RIGHT HERE.
SO FROM THIS WALL OUT TO THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, THIS DRAWING IS 12 FEET, BUT HE'S BUMPING PORCH.
HE'S BRINGING THE HOUSE OUT THERE.
SO THAT IS, THAT WOULD BE RIGHT FROM THAT PART.
BUT IT'S NOT RIGHT FROM THIS PART.
WE HAVE EIGHT FOOT 10 UP TO NINE PLUS NINE SIX.
SIX PLUS FIVE AND A HALF FROM YOUR BACK OF THE SWING TO THE FRONT OF THE PORCH IS ALMOST 20 FOOT DEEP.
IF YOU DON'T KNOW THAT, THAT'S WHAT THE PLAN SHOWED.
WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHY THE PLAN SHOWS THAT THAT'S NOT WHAT, WHAT WE, WE JUST SAID ADDING SIX FOOT TO WHAT'S EXISTING.
SO LET'S LOOK AT THE FLOOR PLAN JUST SO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT'S HAPPENING TO YOU.
IF YOU ONLY HAD SIX FEET, THAT PORCH NOT GONNA CONNECT WITH THE PORTS THAT HE'S ADDING HERE.
IF, IF THAT, IF THAT PORCH STAYS, BUT FROM WHAT THE WAY I UNDERSTOOD IT FROM THE LETTER, CAN WE, YOU KNOW, IS THAT EVEN GONNA BE THERE? BECAUSE ON THE THIRD ON THE CI THINK HE CHANGED IT TO WHERE THAT DOESN'T EXTEND OUT TO THAT PAGE.
NO, HE'S GOT A PORCH ON ALL THREE OF YEAH, HE DOES.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS CALLING OUT THERE.
YOU SEE THAT EVERY DOUBLE COLUMN, HE'S SHOWING THE PORCH ON ALL THREE OF HE SHOWING US DIFFERENT WAYS TO GO WITH IT.
I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE LETTER THAT CAME TO US THAT HAD THE, THE
SEEMS TO BE THAT BECAUSE I USED AI WAS UPSETTING.
I THINK THE THINK THE, THE LETTER IS THE
SO, SO, BUT SEE THAT'S WHERE OUR PROBLEM IS, IS WHERE DO, WHO DO WE GO BY? DO WE GO BY THIS? DO WE GO BY WHAT WE, WHAT WE HOPE TO HAVE? DO WE GO BY, WE'RE JUST STUCK HERE BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW IF YOU GO BY EVERYTHING THAT'S IN THE LETTER.
IF YOU GO BY WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE WANT TO HAVE ON THE FRONT PORCH.
WHAT YOU THAT, WHAT DO YOU WANT? BECAUSE YOUR PLANS DON'T MATCH WHAT I'M HEARING YOUR WORDS SAY WE'RE STUCK.
SO MAYBE THERE'S A DIFFERENT PROBLEM THAN THIS COMMITTEE.
SO JUST SAYING, JAMIE, WHERE DID THE, WHO Y'ALL GENERATED THE LETTER WE DID BASED ON YOUR FROM THE HDC, NOT NEW REQUIREMENTS FROM THE STATE.
NO, WE DIDN'T ASK THEM SUGGESTIONS FROM SUGGESTIONS FROM Y'ALL AS AGREE, JOE.
IT LOOKS LIKE NOBODY ELSE TOOK
[00:15:01]
THE LETTER, MODIFIED THE PLAN.THE PLAN THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT DOESN'T MATCH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
THE LETTER, THE REASON THAT THAT PORCH IS GONE IS 20 FEET IS BECAUSE HE'S KEEPING THE FRONT PART OF THE HOUSE.
THIS PART RIGHT HERE, HE'S KEEPING THAT PORCH THERE.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT YOU HAD ON THE ORIGINAL PLANS.
SO, SO THAT PORCH WOULD'VE WENT ALL THE WAY ACROSS ON THE ORIGINAL PLANS MM-HMM
RIGHT? AND THEN WE CUT THAT OFF.
AND THEN THAT WOULD GO ALL THE WAY ACROSS.
SO THE 20 FEET FROM THE BACK OF THE SWING MM-HMM
OR THE 12 FEET FROM YOUR FRONT DOOR WAS IN YOUR ORIGINAL PLANS AND STILL YOUR, BUT IT'S NOT 12 FEET FROM THE FRONT DOOR.
IT WOULD BE 12 FEET FROM THE SECTION THAT HAS THE, I'M SORRY, BUT YOUR PLAN SHOWED UP NOT WELL, THAT, THAT'S NOT CORRECT BECAUSE THAT WAS IN YOUR ORIGINAL PLAN.
IS THAT, IS THAT, BUT IT'LL, IT WILL BE 20 FEET AND PART OF THE PORCH, BUT THE PORCH IS NOT SYMMETRICAL.
SO THE DIMENSIONS ON THE FAR LEFT, JAMIE? YEAH.
SEE THAT PART MAYBE, MAYBE WOULD BE 20 FEET.
BUT THEN THE HOUSE, THESE NUMBERS RIGHT THERE, RIGHT.
IT'S ACTUALLY FURTHER TO THE LEFT, A LITTLE FURTHER TO, THERE'S THE DIMENSIONS.
SO YOU GOT A FIVE FIVE AND YEAH, THE, THE DOOR IS RIGHT THERE RIGHT NOW.
AND THIS ARE, THESE ARE THOSE TWO DOUBLE WINDOWS FROM HERE DOWN.
YOU GOT A, YOU GOT THESE IN THIS.
AND I'M NOT DISPUTING THAT PART, BUT I'M TELLING THIS IS WHERE THE FRONT DOOR IS.
SO IT'S FIVE FEET AND SIX FEET.
SO THAT'S FIVE AND SIX IS 11, RIGHT? WELL, FIVE AND A HALF TO SIX AND A HALF.
BUT THIS IS, THIS IS JUST RIGHT HERE.
THIS IS, SO THIS IS THE ONLY THING I'M CONCERNED OF IS THAT POST RIGHT THERE.
SO IF THIS IS NINE FEET, NINE AND A HALF FEET, AND THIS IS ABOUT THE SAME, CAN WE NOT JUST PUT THE, LET THE THE POST JUST GO RIGHT HERE.
TAKE THAT, JUST TAKE THAT ONE OUT, MOVE THAT ONE ACROSS, AND THEN HAVE IT THIS WAY WHERE IT'S THREE.
IS THAT WHAT, SO YOU WANT THIS POST YANKED OUT AND THEN MOVE THIS ONE OVER LIKE NEXT TO THE DOOR.
THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE RUNNING OFF.
I LITERALLY TOOK THESE PICTURES AND MAKE, THIS IS ANYTHING YOURS.
SO IF THAT POST RIGHT THERE WOULD BE LITERALLY RIGHT IN THIS AREA RIGHT HERE WHERE IT'S A NATURAL PART OF THE HOUSE THAT IS THERE, THAT WOULD TAKE IT AWAY FROM THE FRONT DOOR.
THE FRONT DOOR COULD GO OVER EITHER WAY.
'CAUSE YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I DON'T THINK THAT THIS IS TO SCALE FROM HERE, BUT IF THAT'S AN 80, I THINK IT'S 80 INCH DOOR.
SO THAT WOULD, THAT DOOR'S GONNA BE FIT IN HERE, JUST LIKE YOU SAID ABOUT MOVING THAT BALL.
BUT YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE ANY OF THIS RAILING.
THAT RAILING WOULD BE STILL, BECAUSE AT FIRST WHEN WE WERE DOING THAT, WE DIDN'T THINK WE'RE GONNA, YOU HAD TO DO IT POST CODE, BUT BECAUSE CODE SAID.
SO WOULD YOU PROPOSE IN DOING THAT, THE, WITH WITH THE DIMENSION HERE AND THE DIMENSION THERE, YOU'RE PROPOSING TO MATCH OR YOU'RE PROPOSING, WHAT, WHAT DOES IT MEAN OR HAVE TO BE? WELL, THERE'S A COUPLE WAYS TO LOOK AT.
I MEAN, THERE'S 14 WAYS TO DESIGN YOUR PORCH.
WHAT WOULD WORK OR, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE FOR US TO GO TO THE ARCHITECT AGAIN AND SAY, REDO THIS AGAIN.
COULD YOU DO ME A FAVOR? I'M, I'M DOING, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE.
THEN NEXT MONTH, THE DRAFT, HE'S NOT AN ARCHITECT.
YOU KNOW, YOU DEFEND A DOCTOR IF YOU TALK ABOUT A MEDICAL DOCTOR.
SO HE'S
SO FOR THE COMMITTEE, THESE ARE JUST THINGS THAT, THERE'S NO RIGHT AND WRONG.
THERE'S A, THERE'S HOW THINGS BALANCE.
WHEN SOMETHING'S 12 FEET BACK AND 20 FEET BACK, IT ALMOST BECOMES IRRELEVANT.
IF IT WERE A PORCH THAT WERE SIX, EIGHT, SAY EIGHT FOOT DEEP,
[00:20:01]
IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT THINGS ALIGN WITH THE COLUMNS.BUT IF THEY'RE, IF DON'T 12 FEET, 20 FEET, IT COULD ALMOST HAVE ANYTHING BACK ON THE BACK WALL.
AND SO THEN IT BECOMES REAL IN THE HISTORIC AREA.
SOON AS YOU CROSS OVER THE BLIND THAT YEAH, BUT YOU, THOSE, THE PROPORTION OF THAT PORCH IS VERY GOOD LOOKING IN A HISTORIC HISTORY.
WHEN YOU TAKE A COLUMN AWAY, IT BECOMES VERY HORIZONTAL.
NOW WE CAN CHOOSE TO DO THAT, BUT THEN IF WE DO, I'M GOING DOWN TO MR. COX, THEN THE COLUMNS OUGHT TO BE EQUAL WITH EACH OTHER.
I, I'M NOT HOLDING ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, BUT YOUR DOOR WILL NEVER BE CENTERED BETWEEN THE COLUMNS THE WAY HE HAS IT PLACED RIGHT NOW.
BUT THERE MAY BE A WAY TO GET IT FOR YOU, SHOW YOU HOW TO DO IT, FLIP, WHICH THIS IS ACTUALLY IN A BETTER LOCATION.
BUT IF YOU FLIP YOUR CLOSET TO HERE, IT MOVES THE DOOR HERE.
AND THEN WHEN YOU MOVE THE COLUMN THERE, BUT ALMOST BEING CENTERED WITH YOUR COLUMN SPACING, YOU'RE JUST GONNA SEE DIFFERENT WAYS TO GO ABOUT IT, WHICH IS FINE.
THIS, AND YOU WANT, WE PUT THOSE FLAGS OUT, RIGHT? IS THAT WHERE YOU WANT THE PORCH? I'M JUST TRYING TO EXPLAIN HERE.
OKAY, SO THAT WAS THE OTHER THING.
RIGHT HERE IN THE FRONT, IT SAYS IT'S GOT THE PORCH ON THE, ON THE PLANS.
THIS PORCH RIGHT HERE, IF IT'S ONLY THREE FEET, I'M NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO DO MUCH AT ALL WITH SOMETHING THAT STILL BE, OR, YOU KNOW, HOWEVER FAR THIS GOES OUT.
SO COMES OUT, UH, UH, HE'S SHOWING IT'S SIX, SIX AND A HALF FEET.
SO IF, AND SO OUR THOUGHT WAS, CAN I JUST DO SOMETHING KIND OF DECORATIVE HERE AND NOT BRING THE PORCH UP TO HERE AND THEN HAVE THE COLUMNS LINED UP HERE.
IF I DON'T, IF I, IF THIS IS NOT PORCH WHERE IT'LL GO OUT ANY FURTHER.
SO YOU'RE SAYING LEAVE THE GABLE THAT'S ON YOUR HOUSE THERE, BUT THE THAT'S RIGHT.
SO DON'T, DON'T BRING ANYTHING OUT IN FRONT.
DON'T DO ANY OF THAT UNLESS YOU'VE GOT SOME IDEA OF WHAT WOULD MAKE IT PRETTIER THAN THAT.
WELL IT'S, I THINK IT'S FINE THE WAY IT IS.
AND THEN YOU'RE JUST DOING A PORCH FROM HERE TO HERE.
ONE THING WE DISCUSSED, WELL HERE'S THE MAGIC THAT WOULD HAPPEN WITH THAT.
IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE THIS, THEN YOU COULD DO A DOUBLE COLUMN, DOUBLE COLUMN, DOUBLE COLUMN, AND MAYBE DOUBLE COLUMN HERE AND HERE.
AND IT WOULD ALMOST PUT YOU CENTERED UP AND THEN A LOT BETTER.
PROBABLY MIGHT HAVE TO HAVE, I'M JUST TRYING TO GET TO BE A VERTICAL PORTION, BUT THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN.
I THINK SHE PREFERS SINGLE COLUMNS.
JUST SO YOU THAT'S WHAT, WHILE WE WERE LOOKING AT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE JUST SAID THAT IF, IF IT'S GONNA PUSH IT OUT THAT MUCH AND I REALLY CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITH THAT INTO THE PORCH, I THINK THAT WOULD BE BETTER.
THE, THE, THE THING THAT ALSO JUST SAYING THAT STORE HERE SPACES AND MAINLY YOU HAVE FOUR COLUMNS.
YOU HAVE THREE SPACES, BUT YOU HAVE FIVE COLUMNS OF FOUR SPACES, BUT NOT VERY OFTEN ON THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
DO YOU HAVE THREE COLUMNS? JUST TWO SPACES? ALL THE PROBLEMS HERE IS WE DESIGNING IN THIS ROOM? UH, DESIGNER COULD BE DOING, YOU KNOW, I, I I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
I THINK THERE'S NO COLUMN ON IT.
ARE THOSE TECHNICALLY FOUR THAT? WELL, WELL IT'S, IT'S THREE SPACES.
SO THAT THEY'RE NOT EVEN, YEAH.
THAT THEY DON'T, THEY'RE NOT EVEN, THAT'S BECAUSE THAT WHAT THEY DID THERE AND, AND COULD THAT BE BETTER? IT PROBABLY COULD BE.
WHAT THEY DID WAS SOMEBODY TOLD 'EM THAT HAD TO BE IN BETWEEN THERE AND IN BETWEEN THERE.
AND THE TRUTH OF IT IS, IT WOULD'VE BEEN BETTER IF THE COLUMNS READ.
SO IF, IF THERE'S 20 WAYS TO DO IT.
BUT JUST LIKE THAT, THAT'S A FRONT DOOR.
THAT, AND SEE THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT YOU WANT IT CENTERED.
AND I WANT MY STEPS GO UP TO THE WELL, HOW YOUR DESIGNER SUGGEST YOU, THAT YOU TAKE THAT POST OUT RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOUR DOOR.
YOU MOVE THAT OTHER POST TOWARD THE DOOR WITH THE SAME DISTANCE BETWEEN THE HOUSE AND THE POST AND THE EDGE OF THE PORCH AND THE POST, THE NEXT POST CENTERED UP.
BE NICE IF YOU COULD MOVE YOUR DOORS TO CENTER IT IN THE SPACE.
THE HOUSE IS PRETTY MUCH A WHOLE, SO I'M, I'M JUST SAYING THE SUGGESTIONS YOU GOT AND THE LETTER YOU GOT IS NOT THE LAW.
I DON'T LIKE THE TWO WINDOWS UP HERE.
I LIKE YOUR SINGLE WIND BETTER ON THAT.
THAT HOUSE IS NOT BIG ENOUGH TO HAVE FOUR WINDOWS UP HERE.
[00:25:01]
I DON'T WANNA REITERATE WHAT YOU JUST HEARD, BUT CARSON'S TELLING YOU THE TRUTH.YOU, HE SHOULD BE LISTENING TO WHAT YOU WANT.
AND BEFORE YOU GET IN THIS MEETING, HE SHOULD HAVE SOMETHING THAT FITS WHAT YOU WANT.
AND WE SHOULDN'T BE TRYING TO DESIGN IT IN THIS MEETING BECAUSE THAT'S WHY YOU'RE GETTING FRUSTRATED.
BUT IF YOU READ THE EMAILS, IF YOU GO TO THE FIRST MEETING, IF YOU COME TO THE SECOND MEETING, AND THEN IF YOU GET TO THE LETTER, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE AND WHAT WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE.
AND, AND I'M, WE'RE, WE'RE NOVICE AT THIS.
WE'VE NEVER HAD A HISTORIC HOME.
WE'RE JUST GOING BY WHAT WE CAN VISUALLY SEE THAT LOOKS NICE AND WHAT DOESN'T LOOK NICE.
AND I'M TELLING YOU, THIS HAS BEEN THE MOST FRUSTRATING THING.
I'M READY TO JUST SAY FORGET IT AND SELL THE HOUSE.
BECAUSE NO MATTER WHAT WE SAY, YOU KNOW, THEN IT WAS THE BIG AI THING.
THEN WE, THE ONLY THING I HAVE TO USE IS AI.
IF YOU COME TO MY DOCTOR'S OFFICE AND YOU GOOGLE SOMETHING, I'M NOT GONNA SAY, WELL, THAT'S STUPID THAT YOU GOOGLED WHAT YOUR HEALTHCARE IS.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING BECAUSE WE'RE VISUAL.
WE ARE TRYING TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT MADE SENSE TO US.
BUT THEN WE GOT THAT LETTER AND OH MY GOD, I WAS JUST LIKE, I, I JUST FELT WHIPPED.
I LITERALLY FELT LIKE I GOT WHIPPED BECAUSE WE USED THE ONLY TECHNOLOGY THAT WE HAD.
IF WE CAN GET IT DOWN TO THIS, EVEN IF WE DON'T DO ANYTHING TO THE FRONT OR HOPEFULLY FIGURE OUT SOMEBODY TO ADDRESS THE FURNACE, US JUST A LITTLE BIT.
WE'VE EVEN DECIDED ON NOT PAINTING THE HOUSE, NOT DOING THE GERMAN
UM, JUST TO SEE IF WE CAN GET IT CLOSER TO WHAT YOU GUYS WILL SAY IS, OKAY, SO I'M GONNA THROW THIS OUT.
I I, I FEEL FOR EVERYTHING YOU JUST SAID, 'CAUSE I FEEL FRUSTRATED TOO.
UM, I FELT FRUSTRATED IN FRONT OF DIFFERENT BODIES HERE FOR AND OTHER BODIES.
I'M JUST GONNA ASK A QUESTION TO SEE IF YOU'RE AWARE OF WHAT IS YOU BEING PROVIDED.
ARE YOU AWARE THAT THE FOUR, THE THREE WENT, THE, ARE YOU AWARE THAT ALL THESE WINDOWS ON THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE, EVERY ONE OF 'EM HERE, THERE HAVE BEEN MOVED.
AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS JUST SO THE COMMITTEE KNOWS EVERY BIT OF THAT BRICK, WE'RE ON THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT, RIGHT? HOW WE WANNA MAKE SURE IT STAYS AND DA DA, THAT WHOLE BRICK WALL IS GONNA COME DOWN TO DO WITH THEIR PROPOSAL.
ARE YOU AWARE OF THAT? AND SO I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS THE COST OF THAT, RIGHT? AND I'M, I'M NOT TALKING AS A, A ALMOST WANT TO RECUSE MYSELF FROM THIS BODY AND JUST SAY, AS A PERSON THAT'S AWARE OF CONSTRUCTION, THE COST OF WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED HERE IS VERY HIGH FOR I DON'T KNOW WHAT BENEFIT.
AND THEN WE AS A BODY THOUGH, STEP BACK IN THIS BOARD, WE ARE TO JUDGE WHAT'S PRESENTED TO US.
AND WHAT'S BEING PRESENTED TO US HAS PROBLEMS, PROBLEMS, PROBLEMS. BECAUSE WE CAN SEE WHAT'S MIGHT BE GET BUILT.
AND THEN WHEN THINGS LIKE THIS HAPPEN, CHANGES ARE MADE IN THE FIELD AND THEN WE AS A BODY GO UP AND SAY, WHY DID IT TURN OUT LIKE THAT? AND THAT'S OUR FRUSTRATION.
SO WE'RE ALL SITTING HERE TRYING TO WORK TOGETHER AND UH, MY GOSH, WE'D LOVE TO SEE YOU DO THIS PROJECT.
IT'S MUCH BETTER RENOVATED WITH YOU LIVING IT THAN IT THEY DID THE LETTER TELL YOU NOT TO PUT BRICK ABOVE THE THE FRONT WINDOW? YES, SIR.
REMEMBER TALKING ABOUT THAT? IT'S IN THE LETTER.
I THOUGHT IT WAS THE, A DORMERS WELL THE DORMERS ARE THERE TOO, BUT IT ALSO, I BELIEVE ON THE ONE, THE DRAWINGS THAT HE PROVIDED, THE GABLE WAS BROUGHT OUT TO THE FRONT OF THE PORCH AND IT SHOWED BRICK ON IT.
AND THE LETTER MAY HAVE STATED THAT THAT'S SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED.
BUT LEAVING THE BRICK IN THE, WHERE IT IS.
BRICK IN BRICK IN THE OPEN PORCH.
GABLE IS INAPPROPRIATE MATERIAL.
I THINK IT WAS THE THE PULLOUT
HE HAD SHOWN IT PULLED OUT IN FRONT OF THE PORCH WITH BRICK ABOVE THIS ELEVATION B SHOWS THE WAY IT SHOULD NOT BE RIGHT.
THAT THAT WAS, HE'S ALSO GOTTA CARRY THAT WEIGHT.
IT JUST, BUT THAT'S, THAT WOULD BE LIGHTER AND EASIER TO ACCOMPLISH.
NO, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S WHAT IT MAY BE.
BUT THE WAY WE HAD TALKED, THE WAY I HAD TALKED TO HIM ABOUT IT IS I JUST WANTED THAT TO BE OPEN.
I DIDN'T WANNA HAVE, UM, ANY TYPE OF CEILING THERE.
I JUST WANTED IT TO BE UP AND, AND ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE BRICK IS WHATEVER THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE, SPRAY IT THAT WAY.
BUT AGAIN, IF, IF THE PORCH IS TOO LONG OR TOO WIDE AND THAT'S NOT GONNA GO AND WE NEED TO JUST GET RID OF THAT FRONT
[00:30:01]
PART, THAT'S FINE.THAT FRONT PART BACK TO YOU'RE SAYING IT'S SIX FEET NOT VERY USABLE IF IT'S NOT A BENEFIT TO YOU, IF YOU TOOK THAT OFF AND JUST EXTENDED THE PARTS ON THE LEFT, HOW'S THIS BODY FEEL ABOUT THAT? BUT I'M FINE WITH IT.
I THINK IT LEAVES YOUR HOUSE MORE INTACT.
UH, I LIKE ELEVATION A, IF YOU PUT ONE WINDOW, I MEAN ONE WINDOW AT THE TOP AND MOVE IT POST IN THE, SEND THE DOOR IN THE PUB, IN THE COLUMNS ON THE FRONT.
I, I DON'T SEE THE PROBLEM WITH A BRICK OVER THAT WINDOW.
UNLESS YOU'RE BRINGING THE PORCH OUT INTO THE, MAKING IT DEEPER.
IF YOU JUST LEAVE IT WHERE IT IS AND REDESIGN IT A LITTLE BIT, YOU'LL HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT.
JUST SO YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THE BRICK ON IT DOWN.
SHE'S GONNA, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A CONSTRUCTION JOINTS ALL THE WAY WHERE THEY HAVE TO GET, AND THE ONLY WAY TO COVER IT UP IS THE WAY TO HAVE TO BREAK YOUR PATIO.
YOU GOT YOU, YOU GO BACK TO THAT FLOOR PLAN, THIS IS GOING TO BE A CONSTRUCTION JOINT.
SO THEY'RE GOING TO POUR, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO POUR A NEW FOOTING HERE.
YOU'RE HAVE TO POUR, YOU HAVE TO PUT A STEM WALL OUT HERE.
YOU'RE HAVE TO BACKFILL THIS AND THEN CATCH THIS SLAB.
THESE ARE, THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT CARSON'S TALKING TO YOU.
SO YOU KIND OF START TO SEE THESE THINGS.
AND THEN THE ONLY WAY TO COVER THIS CONSTRUCTION JOINT IS TO HAVE A COVERING ON YOUR PORCH.
SO YOU DRIVE YOURSELF PROBABLY AWAY FROM A CONCRETE TO PROBABLY LIKE A, A BRICK JUST TO COVER THE CONSTRUCTION JOINT.
BUT THIS IS ALL, THIS IS ALL, THIS IS ALL STEM WALL AND NEW FOOTING WORK.
AND IT KIND OF GOES BACK TO WHAT HE WAS SAYING ON THE OTHER ELEVATION THAT YOU, UM, WELL ACTUALLY WHAT I'M LOOKING AT, THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE JUST ELEVATION.
THEY DON'T DO NONE PORCH OUT FRONT OF WHERE THE DOOR, JUST ON THE SIDE.
THAT WHERE YOU GET RIGHT THERE.
THERE'S NOT, I THINK THEY'D BE OKAY WITH THAT, BUT YOU'D HAVE THAT, THAT RIGHT IN THE FRONT OF THE EXISTING, WHICH ONE DO YOU LIKE BEST RIGHT NOW AS IT SITS? A, B, OR C? THE ONE THAT I
THAT'S UP FOR, IT'S GOOD ONE WITH THE GABLE AS A PORCH OR THAT WAS MODIFIED THAT'S BEING AT THE DOOR.
SO INSTEAD OF, SO THIS WOULDN'T BE A PORCH, THE PORCH WOULD START RIGHT HERE.
WE WERE SAYING WE FOUND HERE SIX FEET AND THAT WON.
SO IT'D BE SIX FEET UNTIL YOU GOT TO HERE THEN PLUS THAT.
WOULD YOU WAIT A SECOND? MM-HMM
WE START OUT, WOULD YOU BE OKAY IF THE TWO ENDS WERE DO COLUMNS AND COLUMN IN THE MIDDLE? I'D BE FINE WITH THAT.
THAT'S THE WAY, MAKE THIS LOOK RIGHT.
THREE COLUMNS IS JUST AN AUDIT.
AND JUST DO AWAY WITH THE, BUT IF YOU DO AWAY WITH THE SIM COLUMN.
IF YOU HAD A DOUBLE ON THE RIGHT, A DOUBLE ON THE LEFT AND JUST A NICE BIG OPEN PORCH.
SO YOU'RE SAYING A DOUBLE HERE AND A DOUBLE THERE AND JUST TAKE THEM OUT.
THEY'RE THE OTHER DOUBLE ON THE LEFT.
IT IS HORIZONTAL, BUT THE HOUSE IS HORIZONTAL.
IF YOU DO THAT, THAT'S A GOOD SUGGESTION.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT MOVING THE DOOR.
OR THEN WE CAN TAKE IT BACK TO HIM AND SAY, CAN YOU REDRAW IT? BUT YEAH, SO THIS IS EXACTLY HELPFUL.
DEFINITELY TO SAY THAT WOULD BE APPROVED.
IT IT, IT JUST AN FYI WHEN, WHEN THE CONES WERE LIKE THIS, I WAS GONNA SUGGEST THAT DOOR THERE CENTERS ON THE PORCH, NOT THE DOOR.
BECAUSE THE DOOR IS A SECONDARY.
IF YOU DO THIS WHERE THE COLUMNS ARE HERE AND HERE, NOW YOUR DOOR IS PRIMARY, IT'S VERY VISIBLE.
THE LIGHT FIXTURES ARE PRETTY AND SEEN.
[00:35:01]
ABOVE THE DOOR.AND THEN IF YOU HAVE ONE OVER HERE, IS THERE UPSTAIRS AT ALL? ARE THEY JUST THERE FOR LOOKS? THEY'RE JUST THERE FOR LOOKS.
THEN IF YOU HAVE ONE OVER HERE, IT OUGHT TO CENTER ON THE WAY.
CENTER ON THE PORCH, CENTER ON THE CENTER ON YOUR DOOR.
THEY COULD CENTER LINE DOOR STILL THIS WINDOW.
BUT BUT ARE YOU IN THE DOORS FOR LOOKS OR JUST ARE EVEN THESE JOE, LIKE SOME, HE DID A, A DRAWING WITHOUT 'EM AND WITH THEM.
AND YOU LET, I PERSONALLY, SHE DIDN'T CARE.
ARE YOU, ARE YOU HE BREAKS UP THE ROOF LINE.
I MEAN INSTEAD OF SEEING SHINGLE, IF YOU SEE THE, AND THE THE OTHER REASON WHY WE WANT RAISE THE ROOF IS RIGHT NOW ALL OF THE AIR CONDITIONING VENTS AND EVERYTHING'S UNDERNEATH THE HOUSE.
AND SO HE'S, WE'RE TRYING TO GET IT ALL UP IN THE ATTIC.
AND THAT'S WHAT ALL THESE LITTLE VENTS, WHERE'S THE PICTURE OF THE EXISTING HOUSE? JAMIE? BACKUP.
IS IT CONVENTIONAL
SO IN THAT REGARD, HAS YOUR DESIGNER TALKED ABOUT HOW YOU'RE GONNA NEED TO RETAIN YOUR WALL IN THE BACKYARD? BECAUSE THE BIG WE WANT THAT OUT OR SO YOU WANT THE DORMERS OR NOT? WE DO.
YEAH, JUST I THINK SINGLES ARE GREAT.
THE ONE ON THE RIGHT FOR SURE NEEDS TO CENTER VOTE.
LINDA, THEN YOU NEED TO BID TWO, THREE SINGLES.
HERE'S THE THING ABOUT THE DORMERS INTO AN UNFINISHED ATTIC IS WHEN YOU'RE DOWN THE GROUND YOU SEE ALL THAT.
BUT DO YOU HAVE A SHED DORMER WITH A DOG WITH NO, THAT'S ANOTHER POINT.
I WAS GONNA SAY PICK ONE THE OTHER.
BUT THE FIRST THING I WAS LIKE, THAT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN.
I'D SAY YOU GOTTA GO TO WHERE YOUR EYES ARE GONNA GO.
YOU I HAVE TO GO GO TO THE CENTER.
NOT NOT TO LOOKING AT THE LEFT TO RIGHT.
YOU'RE GOTTA READ IT FROM THE CENTER.
SO YOU'RE NOT WORRIED LIKE THE SPACING FROM HERE TO HERE'S DIFFERENT.
YOU'RE MORE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS BI FOLLOW DIRECTIONS.
WELL, AND, AND THERE'S 14 LAYERS TO THERE.
THE DIFFERENCE, THERE'S, I THINK IT LOOKS BETTER IF IT'S EVERYTHING'S THE SAME DISTANCE FROM THE EDGE OF THE ROOF.
PUT A WINDOW IN THE EDGE OF THE ROOF TO THE WINDOW.
THE, I WOULD EITHER PUT IT A CENTER LINE OF THE DOOR OR CENTER LINE OF THE PORCH BELOW IS WHAT I DO.
AND YOU DON'T THINK IT MATTERS IF YOU PUT THE RIGHT DORM OR OVER THE WINDOW AND IT'S NOT SAYING DISTANT FROM ANYTHING.
NOT BECAUSE IF IT WERE A COLONIAL, IT WOULD, IT WOULD'VE TO BE JUST THERE'S RULES.
BECAUSE IT IS, IT IS JUST A VERY ECLECTIC HOUSE.
WELL, SO THERE'S A LOT OF FREEDOM TO
SO THE SOME RIDE, WE'RE GONNA PUT SINGLE DORMERS.
YOU'RE GONNA TAKE THE PORCH RAILING AND THE COLUMNS OUT.
YOU'RE GONNA PUT A DOUBLE COLUMN ON EACH SIDE OF THE PORCH AND NO PORCH IN FRONT.
AND YOU'RE LEAVING THE BRICK OVER THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE LIKE YOU PLATES.
SO YOU'RE AWARE OF THAT PORCH THAT YOU JUST OMITTED THAT YOU SAID YOU DIDN'T WANT.
THE ONLY SIX FOOT DEEP WILL COST AS MUCH AS THE ONE YOU'RE GONNA GET.
THAT WAS AN EXPENSIVE PORCH BUILT THE GAVE.
IF I CAN'T HAVE IT ALL THE WAY ACROSS, BECAUSE THEN THE CHRISTMAS CARDS MESSED UP.
THAT'S THE ONLY REASON WHY I WANTED THE PORCH ALL THE WAY ACROSS.
OH, SHE DIDN'T WANT THE PORCH? NO, SHE WANTED IT TO CROSS ENTIRE ENTIRE HOUSE.
I WANTED IT ALL THE WAY ACROSS.
BECAUSE CAN YOU IMAGINE THAT HOUSE AT CHRISTMAS TIME? SO YOU WANTED IT ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE HOUSE? ALL THE WAY.
SO ME AND THAT HOUSE WOULD'VE BEEN VIEWED.
SIT BACK THERE WITH LIGHTS ON THE TOP AND THAT CHRISTMAS STEP ACROSS THE BOTTOM, I'VE NEVER SEEN A DRAWING OF THE PORTS THAT RUNS
[00:40:01]
THE FULL LENGTH OF YOU DID FIRST ONE, YOU WEREN'T HERE.IS THAT THE AI? MAYBE I MISSED IT.
WELL, DID Y'ALL NOT LIKE THAT? IT'S JUST YOU COULDN'T SEE THE HOUSE FOR THE PORT.
IT IT, TALKING ABOUT HISTORIC.
THERE'S NO RESPECT FOR US THERE TO DO THAT.
YEAH, IT'S TOO SMALLER, TOO BIG.
I JUST, I HAVEN'T SEEN IT SCALING IN THE, YOU COULDN'T SEE ANYTHING BUT PORCH.
THIS HOUSE WON BE PRETTY, DOESN'T MATTER.
I EVEN HAD OUTLETS ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE HOUSE.
OH, YOU NEVER HAVE ENOUGH FOR YOUR LIGHTS.
WELL, THE TAKE THE POST OUT AND THE POST OUT.
DOUBLE DOUBLE, DOUBLE DOUBLE AND RUN THE PORCH ALL WAY ACROSS THE HOUSE.
BUT I'M MISSING A DISCUSSION SO NO, YOU, THAT'S ALRIGHT.
WE, WE'LL JUST STICK WITH THIS.
LET'S JUST STICK THIS OR WE'LL JUST HAVE, NOW ANOTHER THING THAT'S I WANNA MAKE SURE WE DISCUSS WAS THE, I GUESS THE WEST SIDE, WHICH WE DISCUSSED THOSE WINDOWS BEING MOVED.
WE CAN TRY TO TELL HIM, LEAVE THEM WHERE THEY WERE.
BUT THEN WE GOT INTO THE, THERE'S GOTTA BE SOMETHING DIFFERENT FROM THE EXISTING TO THE NEW.
AND WE'VE EVEN THOUGHT ABOUT AT THAT POINT, AND WE WOULD SAVE MONEY INSTEAD OF WOULD BE SIDING SOCIETY OR NOT DON.
WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING TO SEPARATE THE OLD HOUSE FROM THE ADDITION AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A BRICK AND YOU'RE GOING WITH A SOME OTHER MATERIAL, NEW PART DESIGNER.
THERE'S TWO THINGS GOING ON THAT THAT I DIDN'T REALIZE TODAY.
AND I HAVE A GREAT FEAR WHEN, WHEN YOUR CONTRACT GETS INTO BUILD IT WEST, THAT THAT WHOLE WEST WALL IS GOING BE BRICKS IS GONNA BE TAKEN DOWN TO BE ABLE TO MOVE THE WINDOWS THAT ARE THERE.
THAT MEANS YOU GOT HOLES AND THEN YOU PUT NEW WINDOWS WHERE THE EXISTING BRICK IS AND IT'S, THERE'S NO BRICK LEFT.
AND SO IT'S BETTER TO JUST TAKE THE BRICK OFF AND TO READ BRICK.
IT IS A LOT HARDER TO TRY TO PATCH AND CUT BECAUSE WHAT I'M SHOWING HERE IS SEE HERE'S WHAT HE'S PROPOSING AND HERE'S WHERE YOU HAVE EXISTING WINDOWS.
SO YOU HAVE AN EXISTING WINDOW WHERE HE IS SHOWING BRICK.
YOU HAVE AN EXISTING WINDOW WHERE HE IS SHOWING BRICK AND YOU HAVE AN EXISTING WINDOW WHERE HE IS SHOWING BRICK.
WHEN YOU PUT THOSE TWO ON TOP OF EACH OTHER, THERE'S NO BRICK WALL LIT.
SO, SO WE WERE ALL CONCERNED IN OUR MEETINGS ABOUT THE BRICK.
SO WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IN REALITY, BECAUSE I'M ALWAYS THINKING ABOUT, HERE'S WHAT HAPPENED, I'VE SEEN OVER AND OVER IN THE STORE DISTRICT IS IT LOOKS GOOD, BUT WHAT GETS BUILT IS WRONG.
THAT'S ABOUT TO THIS WHOLE THING OF PRESERVING THE BRICK AT THAT POINT, PAINT THE BRICK
BE CAREFUL ABOUT WHAT YOU TELL ME TO DO BECAUSE, AND SO I'M THINKING YOU, WELL, HANG ON.
IF YOU MUCH THAT'S GONNA COST, I MEAN THAT'S GONNA COST A LOT OF MONEY.
UH, SO I'M JUST, I'M BRINGING UP REALITY GUYS.
UM, THE, THE HOUSE, THE WINDOWS THAT ARE IN IT RIGHT NOW, IT'S THAT FIRST WINDOW.
SO THAT ONE RIGHT THERE IS A BATHROOM THAT USED TO BE A CLOSET.
WHAT HAPPENED IS YOU MARRY THESE TWO TOGETHER.
THE FIRST THING I DID WAS MAKE SURE I HAD THE SAME SCALE.
SO HERE'S WHERE YOU CAN SEE THIS IS WHAT YOU HAVE AND THAT'S WHAT HE IS PROPOSING.
SO YOU SEE THAT KIND OF MATCHES THAT IS THERE, THAT'S THERE.
THERE'S NO BRICK LEFT OTHER THAN A PIECE RIGHT HERE.
I DON'T THINK WE WERE PLANNING, I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU DREW IT THAT WAY, BUT I DON'T THINK WE WERE PLANNING ON MOVING ANY OF THOSE WINDOWS BECAUSE THOSE WERE IN THE EXISTING ROOMS. SO I'M NOT SURE WHY THAT WENT THAT WAY.
WELL HERE WHEN THEY GOTTA FIX THE DRAWING.
WELL WE GOT A LOT TO FIX ANYWAYS.
SO THAT'S OKAY IF THAT WASN'T IN THE PLAN, JUST MAKE SURE HE JUST, HE NEEDS TO DRAW IT, RIGHT? YEAH.
[00:45:01]
WE DON'T KNOW THE WALL'S GONNA BE GONE AND THEN IT'S NOT GONNA BE GOOD HERE.HE DIDN'T TAKE WHAT'S THERE AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO WORK WITH IT.
HE PUT THE WINDOWS JUST LIKE YOU WOULD PUT IN NEWHOUSE IN YOUR PLAN.
I
HE DIDN'T CONSIDER WHAT WAS THERE AND THE COST INFORMATION VIEW FLAT OUT.
I MEAN WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THAT AT ALL.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHY HE WOULD'VE DONE THAT.
'CAUSE WE WERE JUST SAYING IT HAPPENS.
I FEEL SO I FIND OUT IT WAS ON HIS BIZARRE THEN OVERLAID IT ON HIS PLAN AND THEN WORK HIS PLAN AROUND THE WINDOW.
WHAT HE SKETCHED OUT THE FLOOR PLAN AND THEN LET THE WINDOWS FALL.
SO IF, AND THEY PROBABLY DO ALL STAY WHERE THEY'RE AT.
YOU GOTTA FIGURE OUT WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, HOW IT WORKS IN YOUR REAR AND ALL THAT.
I I'M HEARING LEAVE 'EM WHERE THEY ARE.
WASN'T THE, WE'RE TRYING REAL HARD NOT TO CHANGE FOR THE NEW WOULD BE SIDING.
I I, THAT'S WHAT I'M IN THE MIDDLE OF MY THOUGHT.
I DON'T PARTICULARLY LIKE THE SIDING.
IT OUGHT TO BE BRICK ALL THE WAY DOWN.
AND IF YOU HAVE TO DELINEATE BETWEEN THE OLD AND THE NEW, MAYBE BRING A COURSE OF BRICK OUT THAT FAR AND JUST MAKE A, IT LOOKED LIKE A POST OR SOMETHING.
THAT'S WHAT WAS ON ONE OF THE DRAWINGS.
AND THAT'S WHAT GOT POPPED OUT ON THE, AND THAT WAS WHAT WAS ADDRESSED IN THE THING.
BECAUSE WE, 'CAUSE THEY SAID CAN'T HAVE BRICK.
THAT'S GOING LONG WAYS OR 'CAUSE LITERALLY WE SAID AT THE END OF THE HOUSE ON THIS PART RIGHT HERE IS BRICK.
IT'S GOING HORIZONTAL TO A VERTICAL BRICK OR TWO OR WHATEVER.
OR JUST MAKE A LITTLE WHERE THE NEW STARTS A LITTLE BRICK POST THERE.
YEAH, WELL THAT'S WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT.
JUST, JUST LET IT OUT JUST A LITTLE BIT.
THE, THE THOUGHT OR THE WAY THAT LETTER WAS, IT'S LIKE NO YOU CAN'T DO THAT.
IT'S GOTTA BE A FOOT WIDER OR IT'S GOTTA BE MORE SUBSTANTIAL.
WAS AND THAT'S WHAT'S GOT US CONFUSED LIKE, BECAUSE WE CAN'T PUSH THE THE HOUSE OUT 'CAUSE IT'S TOO CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY LINE.
BUT IF YOU'RE BREAKING THAT WALL, YOU COULD HAVE A LITTLE COURSE OF BRICKS THAT COMES STICKS OUT.
THE HALF THE WIDTH OF A BRICK ARE LESS THIS WIDE JUST TO JUST LIKE A POST BETWEEN THE OLD AND THE NEW HOUSE.
IS THAT AND BRICK, THE WHOLE SIDE IS THAT IN? AND IT NEEDS TO BE DIFFERENTIATED IN SOME WAY.
SO I'D LOVE TO HEAR, I THINK MICHAEL MAY HAVE SAID SHADOW LINE OR SOMETHING.
FROM THE OLD TO THE NEW OR WHAT ABOUT THE ROOF DOES CHANGE BECAUSE YOU'RE ADDING THE WHOLE NEW ROOF.
YEAH BECAUSE YOU'RE ADDING THAT WHOLE ROOF BACK THERE.
THE THING I'M CONCERNED ABOUT A LITTLE BIT ON THE TWO SIDEWALLS IS YOU, THE EXISTING HOUSE HAS GABLE WINDOWS AND THAT'S NOW YOU'VE MADE THE GABLE LARGER AND NOW IT'S VERY PLAIN WITHOUT A WINDOW.
UM, IT'D BE NICE IF THE TWO GABLE WINDOWS BACK IN THE GABLES, HE TELL ME WHY THAT WAS OFF.
HE SAID IT, IT OFFSET THE WINDOW.
WELL WHAT HE HAD SHOWN WAS THAT'S WHERE HE LEFT THE WINDOW IN THE OLD PLACE.
AND WHAT OUR COMMENT WAS IS CENTERED UP IN THE GABLE.
THAT IS A INEXPENSIVE, VERY EASY MOVE TO MOVE IT TWO FEET OR SOMETHING.
MOVING AT BRICK WALL IS VERY COSTLY.
SO HIS PROBLEM WAS HE LEFT THOSE IN THE, THE ORIGINAL SPOT AND IT LOOKED ODD.
SO IT'D BE BETTER IF HE LEFT THOSE TWO WINDOWS AND JUST PUT 'EM, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO REC RESIDE THE WHOLE GABLE ANYWAY.
PUT 'EM IN THE CENTER OF THE GABLE OF THE NEW GABLE.
WHEN YOU SAID TWO GABLES, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS ONE AND THIS ONE? YEAH.
THE ONE COULD BE EAST AND WEST.
I BELIEVE MAYBE THERE'S MISINTERPRETATION OF WHAT'S ON THE COMMENTS.
ALRIGHT, SO WE'RE DOING, WE'RE WE'RE TAKING THE COLUMNS OUT THE PORCH, PUTTING TWO ON EACH END.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA PUT THE PORCH IN FRONT OF THE DOUBLE WINDOWS.
YOU'RE GOING TO PUT ONE WINDOW ON EACH SIDE OF THE ROOF.
YOU'RE GONNA PUT THE WINDOWS BACK IN THE GABLES ON THAT SIDE.
YOU'RE GOING BUILD A A BRICK HOSE THAT THAT WHERE THE OLD HOUSE AND THE NEW HOUSE, THEN YOU'RE GONNA BRICK THE WHOLE SIDE.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE LAPS, SIDING OR
[00:50:01]
WHATEVER ON THE SIDE OTHER THAN IN THE GABLES WHERE IT IS NOW.DID THAT SOUND RIGHT? HOW MANY UH, THAT'S WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT.
THAT'S WHAT I'M LIKE HOW WIDE FROM THE OLD TO THE NEW ARE WE TALKING? YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK IT'S GUIDELINES.
SAY THEY JUST NEEDS DIFFERENTIATE BRICKS TWO BRICK WIDE, WHATEVER THAT YOU KNOW.
AND THEN HOW MANY WINDOWS DO WE HAVE TO HAVE ON THAT END? IF YOU LOOK AT WHERE I THINK THE END THAT, BECAUSE THAT'S THE MASTER BEDROOM AND BATHROOM ON THAT SIDE.
YOU TALKING ABOUT WHERE YOU WANT.
MM-HMM JUST ON THAT END, WE'RE RIGHT NOW WE GOT STOCK DISCUSSING PREVIOUS MEETINGS.
THE NEW, DID WE HAVE TO HAVE A CERTAIN NUMBER? YEAH, I THINK ON THE DRAWING HAD THOSE WINDOWS AND SO IT WAS DISCUSSED.
THAT'S A LOT OF BLANK OF OKAY.
BUT IF IT'S BRICKED, DOES IT STILL NEED A WINDOW? BECAUSE I THINK THE COMMENT IT WAS SAID, YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN THE STREET.
THINK 'CAUSE THE OLD BUILDING THE OR EXISTING S3 KIND OF IN A SHORT SUCCESSION AND THEN YOU THIS NEW ADDITION WITH ZERO.
WE WANT SOMETHING TO, I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT BRICK, BUT THERE'S NO EXACT NUMBER.
AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE EVENLY SPACED.
THE NUMBERS ARE NOT EVEN, SO I WOULD SAY DON'T PUT A COUPLE WHERE YOU MAY NEED SOME THESE TO HELP BREAK UP THAT RIGHT.
IT LOOKS LIKE YOU SHOWED FIXED SHUTTERS HERE.
IS THAT AN OPTION? IF THEY DIDN'T WANNA DO WINDOWS? YEAH, THAT'S, I WOULD, I WOULD REALLY PREFER NOT TO HAVE SHUTTERS BECAUSE IF WE'RE GONNA DO IT, I WANT IT ALL TO BE, I WOULDN'T PREFER YOU TO NOT HAVE SHUTTER.
WELL I DON'T WANT THE SHUTTERS.
SO IF WE CAN JUST PUT THE WINDOWS, WHEREVER WINDOWS, YEAH THEY FIT IN THE BEDROOM.
THAT I'D RATHER DO THAT IF THAT'S OKAY.
THAT'S A GOOD, WE'RE LOOKING FOR THE SAME KIND OF PATTERN, YOU KNOW, ALL THE WAY, YOU KNOW THAT'S A LONG RUN WITH NOTHING IN IT IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE AT THREE WINDOWS.
AND TO ACCOMPLISH THAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO ADD A WINDOWS SOMEWHERE.
YOU SEE THAT'S A LONG JUST, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
FROM THIS CLOSET TO THE BACK GLASS.
CAN I MAKE A STAIN GLASS WINDOW? DO YOU CARE? I THINK THAT SEEMS REASON SIMPLE.
ALRIGHT, LET'S, I'M VERY SYMPATHETIC TO YOUR PROBLEM.
SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THIS IS GONNA BE BRICK.
MM-HMM
AND I DON'T WHERE THE NEW STARTS.
MAYBE RIGHT HERE YOU'RE GONNA PUT A POST AND THEN IN THE FRONT TURN IT AROUND TO THE FRONT.
SO THESE FOLKS WON'T HAVE TO COME BACK WITH A BAD DRAWING.
AND YOU GO WITH THE FRONT ELEVATION.
SO YOU'RE TAKING OUT THESE TWO, PUTTING DOUBLE AND DOUBLE HERE AND MAKING THIS ONE.
AND YOU'RE GOING TO CENTER IT.
CENTER IT OVER THE, WHEREVER THE EXPERTS SAY NOW.
IS THAT WHAT WE UNDERSTAND EVERYBODY? I'M UNDERSTAND.
I'M NOT TRYING TO BE THE BOSS.
I JUST WANNA GO OVER AND GET RID OF THE GABLE PORCH.
NOW THE GABLE PORCH YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT THAT THAT COMES OUT FROM THE HATCH.
THAT'S LEAVE THE EXISTING PORCH.
SO WHERE THE TWO, WHERE THE GABLE PORCH IS, WHERE THE TWO POST STAR RIGHT NOW, THEY'LL BE CLOSER TO WHERE THE FRONT DOOR IS.
'CAUSE AT THAT POINT THERE WON'T BE ANYWHERE FOR THOSE TO BE.
SO YEAH, YOU, YOU'D HAVE, YOU'D TAKE THOSE OFF AND THIS, THIS, THESE TWO WOULD, SO THEY NEED TO BE DOUBLE TAKE OFF BECAUSE IT'S SO WIDE.
YOU WANT SOME TO, OKAY, SO IF YOU'D MOVE, YOU JUST MOVE THEM OVER.
THE TWO CLOSER TO THE DOOR AND THEN ON THE END, SO AC ACTUALLY THESE WOULD GO AWAY AND THEN IT WOULD BE HERE.
RIGHT UP NEXT TO THE WALL AND THEN EITHER PICK HEAD DORM OR, AND THAT'S WHY WITH THE, WITH THAT I BIG TIME GO WITH BILL, THEY NEED TO BE SINGLES BECAUSE A GABLE WOULD BE VERY, YOU KNOW, GABLE OVER DOUBLE THE GABLE OVER SINGLE.
YOUR DOOR NOW IS REALLY SLIDE AND YOU PRINT AND LINE IT UP PROBABLY.
I THINK PART OF, IF IT'S YOUR PROBLEM, OUR BECAUSE IS WE'RE, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT I CAN REMEMBER THIS MUCH CHANGE
[00:55:01]
ON A HOUSE, NONE ON COLLEGE STREET, BUT WHILE I'VE BEEN ON HERE.SO WE'RE TRYING TO I GUESS GET YOU WHAT YOU WANT WITHOUT CHANGED ANYTHING.
SO THAT'S THE STRUGGLE TO MAKE, TO KEEP THE CHARACTER OF THE STREET AND MY, FOR MY STRUGGLE, KEEP THE CHARACTER OF THE STREET AND NOT MAKE THE HOUSE LOOK LIKE A SUBDIVISION HOUSE AND TRY TO GET WHAT Y'ALL WANT.
SO I'M SORRY IT'S TAKEN SO LONG.
IT'S JUST A KIND OF A UNIQUE TO ME IT'S JUST KIND OF A UNIQUE ISSUE.
KINDA LIKE GOING WITH A SMEAR ON IT.
I'M VERY INTERESTED IN WHAT COLOR, WHAT IT'LL LOOK LIKE.
HONESTLY, YOU USE THIS EXAMPLE OF THE HOUSE AT THE END OF THE STREET, WHICH HAPPENED TO BE MY BROTHER'S HOUSE.
AND I'M NOT PARTICULARLY WILD ABOUT HIS BRICK
I LIKE THAT RIGHT THERE FOR THE COMMITTEE TO CONSIDER BEING A VERY DARK BRICK.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE PATCHING AND WHEN YOU HAVE PATCHING AND THEN WE HAVE A NEW BRICK THAT IS NOT GONNA ACCESS BY ANY MEANS.
WE ALLOWED THEM TO GET A UNIFIED LOOK OVER THE OLD AVENUE.
WE MAY WIND UP DRIVING DOWN THE STREET SAYING PRETTY HOUSE MORE SO THAT, THAT'S THE BREAK.
NOW THE HATCH JOB DIDN'T TURN OUT.
YOU NEVER CONTINUE THAT BRICK AND MAKE IT.
AND THE THING ABOUT IT IS THIS BRICK IS DIFFERENT FROM THE FRONT SIDE OF THE BRICK
THIS IS A LIGHTER BRICK THAT'S UNDER THE PORCH AND IT DOESN'T MATCH THIS BRICK.
UM, AND THIS IS LITERALLY PURPLE IN THE SUNSHINE.
THIS IS NOT THE SMEAR YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.
OR AT LEAST YOU DON'T A PICTURE OF WHAT YOU WANT.
AND I ALWAYS SAID LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE THAT.
TO ME THAT'S LIKE, I WOULD CALL THAT A, I COVER IT EVEN HALF COVER LIKE THAT WIPE, LOT OF DOG KIND OF HIDE AND MATCH.
A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULDN'T EVEN CALL IT A SMEAR.
IT JUST LOOKS LIKE AN OLDER NOW THAT IS A SMEAR.
IT MAY BE AN ACTUAL BRICK TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
BUT A SMEAR WOULD, COULD ACHIEVE THAT.
YOU'VE GOT A REALLY GOOD MASON
THAT LOOKS LIKE, THAT LOOKS LIKE IT'S IN THE BRICK AND THEY WIPE THE JOINTS.
MY CONCERN IS WHEN YOU START DOING PAINTING AND DOING ALL THAT, I'M NOT SURE HOW THE SMEAR WORKS.
I GUESS YOU PUT IT ON AND TAKE IT OFF.
WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS I DON'T WANT HOUSE CTV ANYWAY.
I DON'T WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE, RATHER THAN TAKING A STRIKING TOOL AND STRIKING AND MAKING A CONCRETE JOINT, THEY TAKE A RAG AND THEY WIPE THE JOINT AND SO THAT MAKES THE JOINT LOOK BIGGER.
I'VE NEVER SEEN THE SMEAR THAT MIC THOUGH.
THAT'S, I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT THAT IS.
THAT'S REALLY, IT'S GONNA LOOK MORE PAINTED THAN THAT.
JUST, I JUST DON'T WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE ONE OF THESE HOUSES IN A SUBDIVISION WHERE THEY'RE ALL WHITE WITH GRAY SHUTTERS AND A GRAY ROOM AND THAT'S, THAT'S JUST, IT'S A FAD AND IT'S SUCH A BAD BLACK, I DON'T THINK IT'S
YOU WANT, YOU WANT THIS HOUSE TO BE A CLASSICAL TRADITIONAL HOUSE IN A HISTORIC AREA THAT, THAT LASTS ALL TIME.
YOU DON'T WANT TO LOSE OR YOU HAVE TO REPAINT IT 10 YEARS BECAUSE THAT'S NOT THE FADING.
WE HAVE, I HAVE GONE OVER CLEANED IT
BUT THIS IS WHERE THE PROBLEM HITS YEAH.
IS THAT YOU GOT ALL THESE CRACKS EVERYWHERE.
SO THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO SOMETHING WITH THE MORTAR.
SO IF THE, IF THEY CAN DO THAT WITH THE MORTAR OR SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THAT, BUT THAT BE FOUNDATION, IT WOULD BE REALLY GREAT IF YOU DECIDE WHAT YOU WANT DO AND FIND A HOUSE THAT'S ALREADY DONE.
YOU NEED A GOOD FOUNDATION GUY THAT'S TO SPLIT THE BRICK LIKE THAT.
[01:00:01]
BE A GOOD, AND THESE ARE ALWAYS WHERE THEY PUT THESE THINGS RIGHT HERE OR THEY ADDED EVERY TIME IT'S, IT'S CRACKED.AND THAT RIGHT THERE IS WHAT KEEPS THE MOLD DOWN FROM THE INSIDE OF THE HOUSE.
THAT PICTURE'S ACTUALLY UPSIDE DOWN.
BUT WE HAVE FANS ALL THE WAY AROUND THE HOUSE SO THAT MOLD WON'T GO UP UNDER THE HOUSE BECAUSE THE BACKYARD IS A HILL THAT COMES DOWN.
YEAH, IT'S RIGHT, RIGHT TO YOUR SO YOU'RE GONNA FIX THAT.
WE SURE ARE RETAIN, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TWO RETAIN MOLDS.
ONE, THERE, THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT CAN COME IN AND YOU, YOU DON'T PUT DOWN VIS, IT'S CALLED A REAL TRUE VAPOR BARRIER.
THEY COME IN THE DRIVES AND PUT THE VAPOR BARRIER DOWN.
AND IT WILL DO WONDERS FOR YOURSELF.
IS THAT THE SAME THEY PUT ON A ROOF? PRETTY MUCH.
WELL I DO ENT SO YOU BETTER BELIEVE IT'S GONNA BE WATERPROOF BEFORE I LEAVE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE SINUS FUNGUS,
WE GOT THE, THE OTHER STUFF THAT LOOKS OKAY.
ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE NEED TO HOLD THE WINDOWS, WE TURN THE PAPER IN FOR THAT.
I THINK THAT, I THINK WE NEED TO FIND OUT IF THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA GET.
IF WE SAY YES TO A SMEAR OR WE'RE GONNA GET A, WE'LL TRY THAT AN IDEA OF GET AN EXAMPLE OR TWO.
I DON'T THINK THIS BODY IS OPPOSED TO IT.
WE JUST, WE NEED TO INVESTIGATE IT AND HAVE SOME PICTURES.
IF YOU CAN SHOW ONE TO YOUR CONTRACTOR AND SAY, WE WANT THIS, AND HE COULD SAY, I GUARANTEE THAT I THINK WE'RE REASONABLE TO, TO TALK ABOUT PAINT BECAUSE NO ORIGINALLY WANTED DIFFERENT COLOR BRICK AND WE ALL KIND OF AGREE IT'S AN OLDER, DARKER BRICK.
SO I THINK WE CAN INVESTIGATE THE BRICK COLOR.
TALK TO, WE'LL JUST HAVE TO GET A, I MEAN, I DON'T THINK THAT IS FINAL PRODUCT ON THE SCREEN.
IT GETS US IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR SOMETHING, BUT, AND I DON'T WANT, I DON'T THINK WE WANT IT TO LOOK WHITEWASHED LIKE OF OLD, BUT WE CAN, WE CAN START INVESTIGATING AND SEE SOMETHING YOU'D LIKE.
JAMIE, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? OR YOU KIND OF GET THE G TO WHAT WE'RE DOING.
UH, WE DON'T NEED TO SEND HIM ANOTHER LETTER.
BEEN TAKING NOTES HERE AND WE'LL TRY TO PUT SOME OF THIS IN THERE IN THE MINUTES.
SO, SO THERE, THERE'S ONE LITTLE THING THAT WHEN YOU, YOUR BUILDER AND YOUR DRAFTING PRODUCE THE COLUMNS, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT, AND HE DREW 'EM RIGHT THIS TIME, BUT HIS FOUNDATION DOES NOT ALLOW YOU TO ACTUALLY DO IT IN THE FIELD.
AND I'M JUST GONNA GIVE YOU THIS LITTLE PIECE PAPER AND YOU CAN GIVE TO IT.
I'VE ACTUALLY DONE THIS MAYBE 42 TIMES AND WRITTEN THIS APP, NOT THE FIRST TIME.
WHAT HE'S DONE IS HIS FOUNDATION IS SHOWN ALIGNING WITH YOUR BRICK, THE, THE OUTER FOUNDATION.
WELL, TO GET YOUR BEAM AND YOUR COLUMN TO ALIGN WITH YOUR TRIM STICKING OUT, YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE FOUNDATION BIGGER THAN WHERE THE BRICK IS.
THE FOUNDATION HAS TO, HAS TO STICK OUT BEYOND YOUR BRICK.
BUT NOT JUST THE THE, THAT YOU ACTUALLY NEED TO OFFSET YOUR BRICK.
AND WHAT HAPPENS IS, IS PEOPLE WILL FOLLOW HIS PLAN AND THEN WHEN IT TIME IT GETS TIME TO CALL ON.
THAT'S NOT, YOU CANNOT DO IT PROPERLY.
AND THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS BECAUSE GUYS DON'T KNOW HOW TO DETAILS.
IT'S NOT THE FIRST TIME YOU'VE EVER SEEN THAT.
BUT I WILL NEVER VOTE FOR ANYTHING THAT DOESN'T HAVE THAT PROBLEM BECAUSE THIS YEAR IS WRONG.
AND IF YOU LOOK ON THE BANK OF OUR DOLLAR BILL, NOT DOLLAR BILL, THE TWENTIES AND PENS THE WAY IT'S DONE IN DC AND BUILDINGS, THE WAY THE GREEK DID IT, ROMANS DID IT.
THAT WAS, WE ARE HERE TO HELP IN THE LONG RUN.
WE JUST HAVE TO KEEP THE GUIDELINES IN MIND.
WE ALSO DON'T WANNA STOP DEVELOPMENT OR STOPPED EVERYTHING STOPPED.
PEOPLE FROM BUYING, COMING TO THE DISTRICT.
SORRY FOR THE CONFUSION AND UPSET.
I THINK UM, WHATEVER YOU GOT IS NEXT AND WE'RE GOOD TO GO.
ARE YOU, YOU OKAY WHERE WE ARE? MM-HMM
BUT I DO THINK SHOWING YOUR FRUSTRATION VERY HEALTHY FOR US TO UNDERSTAND THE PROBLEM AND I APPRECIATE OH YEAH.
IT'S MORE, YOU KNOW, AND I DON'T THINK WE TOLD YOU ON LAST DO THIS.
I FOUND THE, THE HOUSE DRIVING TO THE POST OFFICE AND I
[01:05:01]
ALWAYS LIKED THAT STREET.AND WOULD CUT UP THROUGH THERE ON THE WAY THERE AND IT WAS LIKE, THAT'S A FOR SALE SIGN.
AND SO I TOLD HER THAT AFTERNOON, I WAS LIKE, COME WITH ME, YOU NEED TO COME WITH ME.
WE DROVE BY AND SHE LOVED A LOT AND EVERYTHING AND BUT SHE'S LIKE, SHE CALLS IT THE, THE UGLY HOUSE BECAUSE, AND AND THAT WAS THE ISSUE.
IT'S 1300 SQUARE FOOT, THAT'S NOT GONNA BE ENOUGH ROOM FOR US.
SO IT WAS LIKE, WE GOTTA DO A LOT TO THIS.
BUT IF WE DO THE LOT'S WONDERFUL.
UH, BUT GETTING FROM THAT TO THE FINISH LINE IS, IS WELL WE'RE TRYING TO, WE'RE TRYING TO MAINTAIN WHAT YOU LIKED ABOUT THE STREET WHEN YOU DROVE DOWN THERE, YOU REALLY LIKED THE STREET AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT AND WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP THAT AND LET YOU DO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.
WHO, WHO OWNS THIS HOUSE? UH, THE TOMS BE AND BRANDON.
IT WAS UM, UH, UH, LYMAN, ALBRIDGE HAD IT BEFORE THAT AND THEN LYMAN DID ALL THE WORK TOO.
BUT HE'S SINCE MOVED DOWNTOWN.
BUT THE TOMS IS BOUGHT THAT I THINK IN IT'S 20 I 2018.
AND THEY HOLE IN THE BACKYARD.
AND I WAS RUNNING AROUND BUT THE FRONT, BUT IT'S THE FRONT PART OF, IT'S PART OF AN HOA OVER THERE BY MATCHES THE SAME ONE THAT FITZGERALD'S OR WAS I LITERALLY PARKED WHERE I WASN'T SUPPOSED TO AND I SIT THERE AND I THOUGHT ABOUT THAT HOUSE AT CHRISTMAS CONE.
BECAUSE YOU USED THE LOT USED TO GO UP THROUGH OUT.
YEAH, WELL THE LOT USED TO GO ALL THE WAY TO THAT'S OR I THINK BOUGHT IT FROM LYMAN.
THEN THEY DID SOME MODIFICATIONS I THINK.
IS THAT RIGHT? AND THEN THEY HELPED IT ACTUALLY IS THAT THE PART OF LYMAN SOLD THEIR LAND TOGETHER.
AND IT WAS ALL PART OF THE H HO IT IS ALL PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT CALLED.
BECAUSE YOUR HOUSE, HOMEWOOD PLACE.
NOW AT A PREVIOUS MEETING WE BRIEFLY, 'CAUSE WE HAVE A DOG, UH, WANT TO PUT UP A FENCE AND IT WAS BROUGHT, WELL WHAT KIND OF IN THE LAST MONTH OR TWO, THE LOT DIRECTLY BEHIND US.
SO THAT'S FACING THE RAILROAD TRACK HAS PUT UP A FENCE.
SO WE HAVE A BACK IN THE BOTTOM
WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE? I, THAT PICTURE? IT'S ASSUMING WE PUT THREE.
WHAT DID YOU SAY SOMETHING WE DENIED? YES.
I DID NOT LET THAT BECAUSE WELL JAMIE, IF THEY PUT THAT BEHIND THEM, THAT TYPE OF FENCE PROBABLY WOULD BE APPROVED FOR THEM UP UNTIL THE BACK OF THE HOUSE.
'CAUSE WE JUST FOUND OUT WE GOT ANOTHER GRANDBABY COMING, SO I'D HAVE TO KEEP MY GRAND BABIES SAFE.
SO, SO WHAT DID WE APPROVE? WE APPROVED WOOD OR SOLID.
WE HAD WOOD OR TREX OR WHATEVER.
THE MATERIAL WAS NOT, WAS OKAY.
JAMIE, WHAT DO YOU HAVE? LET'S, UH, LET'S MOVE ON.
UM, WANNA LET YOU KNOW, SHEILA, WHO USED TO BE ON OUR STAFF, LEFT US A COUPLE A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.
SHE'S GONNA BE A, A PLANNER THERE.
UH, I DON'T THINK IT'S ANYTHING WE SAID BUT
I KNOW SHE'S DEALT WITH ME, MAN.
SHE WANTED TO CLOSER TO FAMILY, SO IT WAS GOOD FOR HER AND SHE GOT A, A LITTLE PROMOTION OUT OF IT.
WE TRYING TO BUILD THAT POSITION.
IS IT JUST REGULAR PLANNER? IT'S JUST, UH, PLAN? YES.
SO STEERING COMMITTEE'S GOING WELL, SOME OF Y ALL ARE ARE ON THAT.
WE'VE GOT, WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN PROOFING, UH, PLANS AND CHAPTERS FROM THE CONSULTANTS.
SO THOSE ARE GONNA BE RELEASED ON TO THE PUBLIC OVER THE NEXT 30 DAYS.
THE, IN THE STEERING COMMITTEE.
SO I THINK PEOPLE LOOKING FROM THE OUTSIDE ARE GONNA, UM, BE, BE IMPRESSED.
BUT IT HAS A LOT OF STUFF ABOUT THE HISTORIC DISTRICT TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT A LOT OF YOUR ALL'S GOALS GET LIKE, LIKE DURING THE HISTORICAL DISTRICT, PROPER SPEED LIMIT TO 30
SO, UH, JAMIE, BEFORE WE ADJOURN, ARE YOU GOING, YOU GONNA HAVE AN OPEN, I KNOW YOU GOT SOME NOW SOME INTERRUPT.
SO I THINK WE NEED TO START THINKING ABOUT IF YOU'RE GONNA DESIGN IT IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, YOU NEED TO BE ABLE TO APPROVE THE LIST.
[01:10:01]
TO GET AWAY FROM THIS.AND THERE NEEDS TO BE AN APPROVED LIST OF DESIGNERS THAT ARE APPROVED DESIGNING THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
WE COULD BREAK MANDATE THAT, BUT WE COULD PROBABLY HAVE SOME KIND OF LIKE TRAINING PROGRAM.
LIKE HAVE YOU BEEN THROUGH OUR TRAINING PROGRAM? AND IF THE ANSWER IS NO, THEN MAYBE THEY DON'T NEED TO.
WE NEED SOME FUNDAMENTALS IN, IN PRIVATE DEVELOPMENTS THAT'S DONE ALL THE TIME.
BUT WHAT I'VE LEARNED IS, IS PUBLIC IT'S A, OR COULD WE HAVE A SUGGESTED LIST? LIKE A HIGHLY SUGGESTED LIST? I DON'T THINK SO.
I DON'T THINK WE CAN DO THAT EITHER.
BUT WE, A LOT OF TIMES WHEN PEOPLE COME IN AND SAY, OH, I NEED TO FIND SOMEBODY, I'LL SAY, HERE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT HERE'S THE PAST YEAR AND LOOK, LOOK AND LOOK AT NAMES.
THEY'RE GONNA FIND EVERYBODY'S NAME.
THEY'RE GONNA FIND CARSON'S NAME.
THEY'RE GONNA FIND OTHER NAMES TOO.
BUT I DON'T THINK WE COULD DO A, A LIST OR ENFORCE A LIST.
BUT I THINK WE COULD TRAIN, WE COULD EDUCATE AND WORKSHOP OR A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF CONTINUING ED CREDITS THAT PROVE THAT YOU HAVE A HISTORIC BACKGROUND OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE.
WE CANNOT LET, UH, WE WE TOO MUCH TIME GOES ON IT SURE WASTED A LOT OF EVERYBODY'S TIME.
AND YOU KNOW, AND SHE'S GONNA SO NOT EVEN TAKE THIS CASE INTO THIS IS FOR THE, THE, THE HEALTH OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT IN ITS ENTIRETY IS WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE JUST DON'T WANT ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO COME INTO OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT AND START DRAWING MM-HMM.
AND GO THROUGH, UH, YOU KNOW, AN EXHAUSTIVE PROCESS.
THEY'RE SPENDING MONEY, I'M SURE THEY'RE PAYING 'EM BY THE HOUR.
AND EACH TIME THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY GO BACK AND IT'S LIKE A LAWYER IS GOING OPERATE, THIS IS NOT A FUN ACTION.
AND I USED THE, DEALT WITH THE TERM ARCHITECT, THE LEGAL TERM.
BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF ARCHITECTS WHO DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO, HOW TO DESIGN IN STORE.
THERE'S MANY, ESPECIALLY HOUSING RELATED THINGS AND THERE ARE A LOT OF DRAFTSMEN WHO DO.
SO IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SEEING U OR YOUR LICENSING OR NOT.
YOU CAN'T MAN MANUFACTURE IT BATS AND, WELL, THERE'S FOUR OR FIVE DESIGNERS IN TOWN THAT REALLY KNOW HOW TO DO IT RIGHT.
AND THERE'S PROBABLY DOZENS OF ARCHITECTS WHO DON'T
SO IT JUST, IT HAS TO DO WITH, ARE YOU AWARE OR NOT? BECAUSE IN YOUR FORTE WE DID OUR HOUSE, WE HAD, I HIRED, YOU KNOW, CHIUS CARTER? MM-HMM
HE SPECIALIZED IN OLD HOME REMODELS AND HE WAS A HUGE HELP.
SO I, I SAY THAT JUST TO SAY THAT WE OUGHT BE YEAH.
WORKING OUR WAY TOWARDS A QUALIFYING AGENCY TO BE ABLE TO, TO PUT A PRESENTATION BEFORE ANYTHING ON THE DISTRICT SMART MOVE.
AND, AND THE CONCERN, I'M, I'M WORRIED ABOUT EQUAL PROTECTION.
BUT IF YOU HAVE A CERTIFICATION TRAINING, THESE ARE THE CERTIFIED, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER YOU CAN KEEP THE OTHERS OUT.
YOU MIGHT, YOU'RE NOT CERTIFIED TO, TO, TO DEVELOP IN NEW STORM DISTRICT.
WE COULD SAY, WE COULD HAVE TRAINING AND WE COULD SAY, HAVE YOU HAD YOUR TRAINING? AND IF THEY, THEY'RE LIKE, NO, WE HAVEN'T HAD OUR TRAINING, THEN MAYBE WE SUGGEST THAT THEY DO THAT.
BUT I, I THINK IF SOMEBODY APPLIES, WHETHER THEY THE DESIGNERS FROM NASHVILLE OR FROM FROM HERE, I, I THINK WE'D HAVE TO LET 'EM APPLY AND THEN THEY GOT BONDS APPLIED.
BUT I DON'T THINK THE PROCESS IS TO, TO EXCLUDE BUT IS TO QUALIFY.
SO IF THE NEXT POINT I WAS GONNA BRING UP IS WE'RE WORKING ON A FIVE YEAR PLAN FOR THE PLANNING DIVISION AND IT'S GONNA HAVE A SIGNIFICANT PART ABOUT HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
MAYBE I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS WE NEED BETTER TRAINING FOR THE PEOPLE THAT SUBMIT THINGS TO US.
AND I USE THAT TERM VERY, VERY BROADLY.
'CAUSE SOMETIMES IT'S AN ARCHITECT, SOMETIMES IT'S NOT.
YOUR ARCHITECTS ARE JUST TOO EXPENSIVE.
WE HAVE TO HAVE SOMEBODY ELSE.
YOU KNOW, IF THOSE WINDOWS GET MOVED, I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LAYING BRICK AND PUTTING SIGN IS ABOUT FIVE TIMES, FOUR TIMES.
SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A $5 A SQUARE FOOT ISSUE VERSUS A 22, 20 $5 SQUARE FOOT ISSUE.
AND YOU WON'T SEE THAT UNTIL THE PLAN IS DRAWN AND YOU'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF BUILDING AND YOU'RE DELAYED AND TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT.
SO, AND YOU'RE RUNNING THE BANK EVERY OTHER WEEK.
WHAT Y'ALL ARE SAYING IS KIND OF FITS US.
'CAUSE WHEN WE BOUGHT IT, WE KNEW IT IS HISTORIC DISTRICT, IT'S GOTTA GO TO THE, AND WE DIDN'T KNOW WHERE TO TURN OR WHAT ARCHITECT OR WHAT AND WHAT'S ALLOWABLE OR NOT.
AND WE'RE LIKE, COULD WE MEET WITH
[01:15:01]
SOMEONE OR IT'S JUST, IT'S NO INFORMATION'S THERE OR NO HELP.SO YOU'RE KINDA LIKE US, JUST TO GET BACK TO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, WE'RE JUST THROWN OUT THERE AND LET'S HAVE THIS, THIS IS WHAT THE THIRD MEETING AND NOW WE'LL COME BACK FOR FOURTH.
AND HOW WOULD WE, HOW WOULD WE ADDRESS THAT? OBJECT ME.
HOW WOULD YOU, IF SOMEBODY'S DOING WHAT THEY'RE DOING, I GUESS, DID Y'ALL CALL COME BY THE CITY AND TALK TO THE PLANNING PEOPLE FIRST? NOT BEFORE WE GOT THE ARCHITECT.
I CALLED, I CALLED THREE ARCHITECTS THAT WERE HERE IN TOWN THAT WERE WITHIN
AND SO THEN WHEN I REALLY, REALLY, AND THEN, UH, ONE NEVER CALLED ME BACK.
TWO CALLED ME BACK AND WE HAD A, WE WERE SUPPOSED TO MEET AND THEY NEVER SHOWED.
AND THEN WE HAD ONE, WE DID HAVE ONE ARCHITECT.
HE DID COME AND HE WALKED THROUGH THE HOUSE AND TOOK MEASUREMENTS AND EVERYTHING AND THEN HE NEVER WOULD CALL ME BACK.
BUT NO CHALLENGE WOULD, HOW MUCH WOULD IT SLOW DOWN IF WE DID THIS BEFORE THEY CAME TO THE CHAMBER TO THE REGULAR MEETING, HOW MUCH DOES IT HURT THEM? AND IN, IN THEIR CASE, IT WOULD'VE HELPED THEM.
'CAUSE THIS IS THEIR THIRD TIME HERE ALREADY.
BUT HOW MUCH DID WE SLOW DOWN? NORMAL BUSINESS.
IF YOU SAY WORK SESSION FIRST AND THEN WE GET OUTTA HERE AND GO IN THERE.
THEY HAVE, I KNOW THEY HAVE WORK COMMISSION LIKE EVERY MONTH OR SO EVERYTHING'S SIGNIFICANT.
A A WORK SESSION, RIGHT? THEY MIGHT HAVE A WORK SESSION AND THEN A VOTING MEETING.
THE WORK SESSION'S ABOUT THE, THE MEETINGS.
THAT'S GONNA BE THE FOLLOWING MONTH.
RIGHT NOW, THEY'D HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING FOR US TO TALK ABOUT AND LOOK OVER.
SO THEY'D HAVE TO BE SPENDING MONEY ALREADY.
BUT MAYBE THE WORK SESSION, THE INFORMAL IDEA FLOWING MM-HMM
IS HELPFUL BEFORE WE GET MM-HMM
LOOKING AT GUIDELINES IN THERE.
THAT IS SOMETHING I DON'T WANNA SLOW DOWN.
DEVELOPERS, ARCHITECTS, BUILDER.
BUT THIS, THAT'S MORE HELPFUL RIGHT.
MAYBE WE SHOULD, MAYBE WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT IT AND WHAT WOULD MAKE THE COMMISSION A LITTLE STREAMLINED IN HOW TO DO IT BETTER.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD HELP IN THE LONG RUN, BUT MAYBE WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT IT.
UM, IT IS ADDING ANOTHER STEP, BUT IT ALSO MAY SAVE YOU TWO STEPS.
YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU GOING INTO COMMERCIAL CONSTRUCTION, YOU DON'T WANT, YOU DON'T JUMP INTO DDS, GET YOUR MEPS IN THERE UNTIL YOU GOT A FULL PLAN.
WELL EVERY BIG DEVELOPMENT GETS A FREE DEVELOPMENT MEETING.
THEY HAVE ONE PERSON FROM EVERY DIVISION IN TOWN AS FAR AS I KNOW.
WE, THEY SIT AROUND THE TABLE AND TALK ABOUT EVERYTHING FROM YOUR FIRE TO YOUR RIGHT.
BUT THEY'VE GOT A, THEY'VE GOT A PLAN OR A PRELIMINARY PLAN YEAH.
TO SHOW OR AT LEAST AN IDEA SO YOU CAN GET INPUT ON.
THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING TO SHOW.
SO THE WHAT WE, IF WE HAD THESE WORK SESSIONS, WHAT WE CAN DO TO SAY WHAT'S CRITICAL, UH, ARE THESE SIX TOPICS OR WHATEVER, IT'S LIKE COLUMN BEAM LINE.
WHAT KIND OF WINDOWS MATERIALS? I MEAN THE HISTORICALLY SPEAKING, YEAH.
THIS GOES BACK HOW MANY YEARS DID WE DO THE LITTLE WHITE COTTAGE HOUSE ON NATCHEZ? SO 15 YEARS AGO.
THE ONE RIGHT ON THE CORNER? YEAH.
RIGHT OFF THE RIGHT NEXT TO THE Y HOUSE.
THE Y OH, THE ONE THAT BACKED INTO YOUR SCHOOL? YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
I'M JUST, ONLY THE WAY IT IS, WE HAD TO COME AND SPEND, BRETT SWAN DID IT.
SO I WASN'T INVOLVED PERSONALLY, BUT, UH, OUR FIRM HAD TO COME TO MULTIPLE MEETINGS TO GET A PELLA SIMULATED DIVIDED LIGHT PLAID WINDOW APPROVED.
YOU KNOW WHY? BECAUSE THE CODE SAYS ALUMINUM WINDOWS ARE NOT ALLOWED.
NOW I KNOW WHAT THE CODE MEANS ARE MEANT TO SAY CHEAP 1960S ALUMINUM APARTMENT WINDOWS ARE NOT ALLOWED.
BUT THE WORD ALUMINUM SHOWS UP IN THE SPECS AND SO THE COMMITTEE DENIED IT.
AND I'M LIKE, IT'S BETTER THAN EVERY STUPID SPEC THAT THE BUILDERS ARE PUTTING IN.
BUT WE FOUGHT TO GET, BE ABLE TO DISCUSS THAT KIND OF THING IN A PRELIMINARY MEETING.
SEE WE CAN THAT IN THE BEGINNING INSTEAD OF THAT'S REMINDS THEY'RE NICE YOU KICK AROUND SOME IDEAS ON I THINK WE CAN PURSUE IT.
WE HAVE ENOUGH INTENTION WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT.
WHAT ELSE YOU GOT RELATED TO THAT? YOUR AUGUST 27TH MEETING? WE DON'T HAVE ANY VOTING ITEMS, BUT SPEAKING OF MEETING WITH FOLKS EARLY, THE HOTEL THAT, THAT WANTS TO BE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE SQUARE, THEY WANT TO COME TALK TO Y'ALL WHILE THE INK IS STILL WET ON THE PLANS.
OR WE HAVE TO DO IT IN A FORMAL MEETING IF THERE AREN'T ANY VOTING ITEMS, I THINK WE COULD DO IT LIKE THIS.
[01:20:01]
WOULD BE MUCH BETTER.IS THIS, IS THIS MONEY GONNA CONSIST AROUND BUILDING HEIGHT? I THINK SO.
SO FOR SOME REASON I'M GOING ON, I HAVE SOMETHING ON MY CALENDAR FOR MONDAY.
WHICH 27TH? THIS 27TH? NO, IT'S AUGUST.
SO IS IT A IT'S SURFACE PARKING LOT.
SO THE, THE PARKING STRUCTURES ARE NOT ISSUE.
IT'S THE BUILDING AND I'VE SEEN THE DRAWING, BUT IT'S NOT AFTER THEY'VE ADDED THE, THE HEIGHT AND SCALE OF ONE.
SO KEEP, KEEP AN OPEN MIND ABOUT IT.
WE'LL TRY TO, WE'RE ASKING FOR PERSPECTIVES AND DRAWINGS TO SEE EXACTLY WHAT IS VISIBLE AND FROM WHERE DO THEY LOOK AT FRANKLIN'S HOTEL AND IT'S SPORTS STORES.
YOU CAN TELL THEM IF IT'S EAST, THEY CAN KEEP IT.
WHAT'S THAT? WHAT EXTERIOR? LIKE CAN FINISH THIS? OH, OH YEAH, DEFINITELY KEEP IT
I DON'T, I HAVEN'T HEARD THAT.
WHAT I SAW WAS IT APPEARED TO BE BRICK, MOSTLY BRICK.
THEY'VE GOT SOME KIND OF LIGHTER FINISH UPSTAIRS.
BUT I KNOW Y'ALL HAVE LIKE WITH TWO 15 SOUTH CENTER, Y'ALL DID HARDY LIGHTER MATERIALS.
BRENTWOOD AND FRANKLIN, FRANKLIN HAS DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB WITH THEIR, THEIR BIG BUILDINGS.
THEY'VE GOT TWO PARKING GARAGES THAT UNLESS YOU'RE PAYING ATTENTION, YOU CANNOT TELL THEIR PARKING GARAGES.
SAME WITH THEIR TALLER BUILDINGS.
THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T LOOK BAD.
SCHEMATICS OF THE FRANKLIN, THE HOTEL RIGHT THERE AND ALL THOSE APARTMENTS.
WHO'S, WHO'S HELPING THEM? THE ARCHITECT.
OH, IT USED TO BE LRK BUT I THINK MAYBE FLEMING NO.
OR SOMEBODY'S FAMILIAR WITH
WHAT'S NEXT? TALKING ABOUT THE COTTON PALACE JUST, UH, BRIEFING ON ADMINISTRATIVE CASES.
WE DID GET, HAVEN'T HAD ANY FENCES ADMINISTRATIVELY DONE SINCE YOU MET LAST TWO 16.
THAT'S EXCITING FOR THE BOUTIQUE.
EASTMAN, THEY'RE THEY'RE COMING FROM EASTMAN THAT, OH, THEY DID SUBMIT SOMETHING BOUTIQUE.
AND THEY HAVE AL OH DO THEY? AND THEN NEXT DOOR TO THAT IS, UH, IT'S GONNA BE RESTAURANT OFFICE BOUTIQUE GOING WEST.
WHO IS THE RESTAURANT? IT, IT'S FRENCH.
IT'S ONE OF ANDREW MICHAEL'S CHEFS.
IT'S ITALIAN IN FRENCH OR FRENCH OR SOMETHING THERE.
IT DOES SEE THE CAR WASH OR PROBABLY CHICKEN DOWN.
THE LAST THING IS THERE'S A BILL SUBMITTED A RIGHT DOORS FOR HIS CARPORT.
SO I I WE HAVEN'T SIGNED OFF ON IT YET.
IS THAT IT? I MOTION IN A SECOND.