[Historic District Commission on June 25, 2026.]
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WHEN I CALL TO ORDER THE, UH, STORE DISTRICT COMMISSION MEETING ON JUNE 25TH, 2026, IF WE COULD RISE AND TAKE THE PLEDGE IF YOU CAN PLEASE.
I PLEDGE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA TO BE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH STANDS? ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
UM, FOR THE PUBLIC PLEASE ARE THE COMMENT CARDS.
THERE ARE FIVE BEHIND YOU ON THE PODIUM THERE.
IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON ANY SUBJECT, PLEASE FILL THIS OUT AND BRING IT UP TO STAFF AND THERE'S A SECTION ON THE AGENDA WHERE YOU CAN SPEAK.
JAMIE, DO WE HAVE ANY CHANGES ON Y'ALL'S END? WE HAVEN'T HEARD OF ANY NEEDED CHANGES.
WE HAVE TWO THIS WEEK 'CAUSE OF OUR OTHER MEETINGS.
YOU READY? MINUTES? AND DO WE HAVE A MOTION? MOTION TO WE, I DIDN'T SEE JUNE 17TH MINUTES, BUT I DON'T WHERE THEY WERE.
WELL, IT'S IN THE PHYSICAL NO LINE.
JAMIE, ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONS OR DELETIONS ON THE AGENDA? NO ADDITIONS OR DELETIONS, BUT WE DO SUGGEST SWITCHING THE ORDER OF BUSINESS.
SO THAT OTHER BUSINESS WOULD BE SECTION EIGHT.
AND THEN DISCUSSION OF ANY UPDATES ON PENDING CASES OR RECENT APPROVALS WOULD BE NUMBER NINE.
THAT WAY YOU CAN GET TO YOUR NON-VOTING DISCUSSION.
UH, OUR GUESTS WILL HAVE TO SIT THROUGH US TALK, TALKING ABOUT OTHER CASES AND STATUS OF THINGS.
DO I HEAR A MOTION FOR THE AGENDA? MAKE MOTION.
ACCEPT THE AGENDA AS IS WITH JIMMY'S, WITH JAMIE'S, WITH JAMIE'S CHANGES.
UH, IF THERE'S ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME SPEAK, THIS IS THE TIME ON ANY TOPIC.
FORMAL AGENDA CASE NUMBER 2, 6 1 4 0 2.
I GUESS, JAMIE, YOU HAVE THE STAFF REPORT? THAT IS CORRECT.
AND WE'RE GONNA DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT FOR THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS.
STAFF'S TO DO PRESENTATIONS FROM THE PODIUM.
THAT'S WHAT WE DO WITH THE BMAS, SO WE'RE TRYING TO GET MORE USED TO, TO PRESENTING IN THAT WAY, BUT WE ALSO THINK THERE MIGHT BE SOME BENEFITS TO, TO THE DISCUSSION AND, OKAY.
UM, JUST HOW THE MEETING FLOWS.
WE'RE GONNA TRY THAT OUT TO SOME OF OUR OTHER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.
SHOW EVERYBODY A LITTLE MORE RESPECT, HUH? LESSON NUMBER ONE IS TECHNOLOGY.
ALRIGHT, SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT, OKAY.
SO THE PURPOSE OF THIS AGENDA ITEM IS TO CONSIDER A NEW HOUSE IN OAKWOOD PHASE TWO.
THIS, IT'S A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR, UH, A BRAND NEW DWELLING.
THE LOCATION IS TWO 70 ELWOOD LANE.
PROPERTY OWNER IS DAVID RICHIE AND HE'S HERE TODAY IS ALSO THE APPLICANT.
UH, THE PROPERTY ZONE R ONE, LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, AND IT'S ABOUT 0.66 ACRES.
UH, AND THAT'S RELEVANT BECAUSE WE DON'T REGULATE TREE REMOVAL ON PROPERTIES LESS THAN AN ACRE IN SIZE.
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UH, SO THAT THIS IS A WOODED LOT TO BE ABLE TO CLEAR SOME OF THE TREES.THEY WON'T HAVE TO GET TOWN APPROVAL TO DO THAT.
A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ABOUT THIS PROPERTY.
IT'S, IT'S NOT IN THE NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT BOUNDARY, BUT IT IS IN THE LOCAL HISTORIC OVERLAY, BUT JUST BARELY.
IT'S IN THE FAR, FAR EDGES OF THE LOCAL HISTORIC OVERLAY.
OAKWOOD PHASE ONE WAS APPROVED BACK IN 1991, DEVELOPED BY SOMEONE SEPARATELY.
UH, ROB SMITH DID OAKWOOD PHASE TWO AND MIKE RUSSELL DID PHASE ONE FOR OAKWOOD.
UH, SO BOTH WERE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UM, BUT YOU'LL NOTICE IF YOU'VE SEEN BEEN OUT THERE, YOU'VE OAKWOOD OAKWOOD.
PHASE ONE IS VERY DIFFERENT FROM THE REST OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UM, OAKWOOD PHASE TWO, UH, CAME ABOUT IN 2023, UH, 2024.
UM, AT ONE TIME THE PROJECT WAS A LOT LARGER AND THEN SOME OF THE ACREAGE, UH, BROKE OFF.
IT WASN'T PART OF THE DEAL ANYMORE, AND IT CONTRACTED TO JUST THREE LOTS.
UH, THERE'S ONE LOT BY NUMBER THREE THAT TOUCHES POPLAR AVENUE AND IT HAS A, AN EXISTING HOUSE FACING POPLAR AVENUE, BUT LOTS ONE AND TWO COME OFF OF ELLA WOOD LANE.
THERE'S A, A HAMMERHEAD DRIVEWAY THAT WAS INSTALLED.
UH, AND SO IT'S DETERMINANTS OF ELWOOD PLAIN AND THEY ARE NOT VISIBLE FROM POPLAR AVENUE.
THEY HAVE MORE OF AN ORIENTATION TOWARDS, UH, GREAT FALLS, UH, FROM, FROM THAT DIRECTION FROM THE WEST.
AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THEY DO NEED TO REMOVE SOME EXISTING TREES.
AND WHEN THEY CAME THROUGH WITH THE, THE PLAT FOR OAKWOOD PHASE ONE, UH, THERE WAS SOME SPECIAL SETBACKS THAT WERE ESTABLISHED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE HOUSE WOULDN'T ENCROACH INTO THE, UH, HAMMERHEAD DRIVEWAY.
AND ALSO THERE WAS SOME DRAINAGE CONCERNS FROM ADJACENT NEIGHBORS THROUGH NOTES ON A PLAT TO SAY THAT CERTAIN THINGS NEEDED TO HAPPEN WHEN THEY BUILD A HOME ON THESE LOTS.
AND SO THE APPLICANT IS AWARE OF THAT AND WE'LL, WE'LL BE LOOKING FOR THAT AT THE COAST DURING THE COASTS DEPARTMENT REVIEW OF THE BUILDING PERMIT.
THIS IS THE PLOT PLAN THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDED.
UH, IT'S GOT ESSENTIALLY THREE MAJOR CHANGES.
ONE IS THE, THE PRELIMINARY, THE, THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE, THE THE DWELLING.
UH, THERE'S, THEY'RE GONNA BUILD A POOL WHICH WILL REQUIRE A, A PERMIT AND THERE'S AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE TOWARDS THE REAR OF A WORKSHOP.
AND THAT WILL ALSO REQUIRE A PERMIT.
UH, THE POOL AND THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE ARE SO FAR BACK ON THE PROPERTY THAT WE DO NOT BELIEVE IT'S VISIBLE, WHICH MEANS IT'S OUTSIDE THE HTCS SCOPE OF REVIEW.
UH, SO THAT WASN'T INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET AND IT'S NOT PART OF THE, THE MOTION, BUT WE DID INCLUDE A PICTURE OF IT ON THE SCREEN.
SO YOU CAN SEE THE KIND OF QUALITY OF CONSTRUCTION THAT THEY WANT TO DO IS BOARD AND BATTEN SIDING.
UH, SIM SIMILAR TO THE HOUSE, UM, IN, IN MATERIALS, ALTHOUGH THERE ARE SOME DIFFERENT SHAPES AND CONFIGURATIONS FOR THE MATERIALS.
SO YOU CAN SEE A PICTURE OF THE, THE HOUSE THAT THEY PLANNED TO BUILD.
IT'S, UH, UH, IT'S GOT A HOOK IN GARAGE AND, UH, A RAISED FOUNDATION.
IT HAS A CRAFTSMAN AND BUNGALOW STYLE TYPE INFLUENCE, UH, WHICH IS A LOT DIFFERENT FROM THE REST OF THE HOUSES ON GREAT FALLS AND ELWOOD CO.
UH, THE HOUSE IS A LITTLE OVER, OVER 3000 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE.
AND ONE, ONE THING ABOUT THE PLOT PLAN, BEFORE A BUILDING PERMIT POSITION, WE, WE DO NEED A TWO SCALE PLAN TO MAKE SURE ALL THE BUILDING SETBACKS FOR WHAT WE HAD, AND THAT'S A CONDITION OF APPROVAL.
A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE, THE DWELLING ITSELF, I MENTIONED IT IS DIFFERENT FROM WHAT'S OUT THERE ON GREAT FALLS ROAD.
UH, YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE PICTURES, SOME CHARACTER IMAGERY ON THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN, UH, THE HOUSES BUILT IN IN THE 1990S.
UM, SO IT DOESN'T LOOK QUITE LIKE THOSE, BUT IT DOES HAVE SOME CHARACTERISTICS THAT THE APPLICANT IS POINTING TO, TO ASK THE HDC FOR SOME FLEXIBILITY.
UH, FOR EXAMPLE, THEY, A LOT OF THE WINDOWS THAT ARE ON THAT ROADWAY WOULD NOT BE SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD APPROVE TODAY.
YOU WOULD APPROVE, APPROVE MORE WOOD OR, UH, ALUMINUM CLAD OR MAYBE A COMPOSITE PVC MATERIAL GRIDS ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE GLASS OR, OR TRUE DIVIDED BLANK WINDOWS.
WHAT'S OUT THERE NOW? I ONLY SAW ONE OVER ONE WINDOWS.
I DIDN'T SEE ANY GRIDS BETWEEN THE GLASS, BUT I DID SEE VINYL WINDOWS DRIVING OUT THERE.
AND WHAT APPEARED TO BE EITHER ALUMINUM OR, OR WOOD WOOD WINDOWS.
THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO HAVE, UM, VINYL WINDOWS WHERE THEY'RE, THEY'RE PLAID WINDOWS, METAL PLAID WINDOWS WITH GRIDS IN BETWEEN THE GLASS.
SO THAT'S A POLICY DECISION FOR, FOR THE HT C.
UM, ALSO ABOUT THE HOME DESIGN.
A LOT OF THE GARAGES OUT IN THAT AREA, UH, DO NOT COMPLY WITH THE DESIGN GUIDELINES.
AND THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSED HOME, UH, DOESN'T COMPLY EITHER.
THE, THE A HOOK IN TYPE GARAGE, ALTHOUGH THE GUIDELINES DON'T SAY HOOK IN, IT SAYS PUT THE GARAGE BEHIND THE
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CENTER LINE OF THE HOME SO THAT THAT WOULD NOT BE MET WITH THE, WITH THE PARTICULAR DESIGN THAT THEY HAVE CHOSEN.UH, PROVIDED SOME INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING IN ELWOOD, DOWN ELWOOD CODE AND UP IN OAKWOOD PHASE NUMBER ONE, YOU CAN SEE WITH THE DIFFERENT COLOR DOTS, THE, THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF GARAGE CONFIGURATION.
THERE'S ONLY ONE OUT THERE THAT DOES COMPLY WITH THE DESIGN GUIDELINES THAT WE HAVE TODAY.
AND THAT'S, UH, THERE IS A ONE, THE GARAGE IS TOWARDS THE REAR, IT'S THE GREEN DOT.
THE YELLOW DOTS ARE SIDE LOADED GARAGES, BUT, BUT, BUT PAST THE CENTER LINE OF THE HOUSE CLOSER TO THE FRONT THAN THEY SHOULD BE.
UH, THE ONES IN ORANGE ARE A HOOK IN STYLE WHERE THE GARAGE IS BETWEEN THE, THE STREET AND THE FRONT DOOR OF THE HOUSE.
AND THEN, UH, THE RED ARE GARAGES THAT ARE ON THE FRONT FACADE PLANE OF THE HOUSE WITH, WITH THE LITTLETON, YOU KNOW, RECESS.
SO IT CAN BE SAID THAT IN PHASE ONE, IT IT, EXCEPT FOR ONE IT DOESN'T MEET, MEET THE HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES THAT WE HAVE TODAY.
AND THAT'S PART OF THE HISTORY OF THIS AREA.
THIS, THIS AREA WAS, UH, ORIGINALLY IN, IT WAS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT WHEN IT WAS SET UP IN, IN 89.
UH, THESE HOUSES WERE DEVELOPED AT 99.
UH, BUT THERE WERE DIFFERENT DESIGN GUIDELINES THAT WERE AFFECTED THAT TIME.
WE, WE HAD A COMPLETE REWRITE IN 2002.
UH, SO I, I DID PULL SOME RECORDS AND I COULD TELL THAT THEY, THE GUIDELINES AT THAT TIME WERE LOOKED A LOT IN CONTEXT AND WHAT WAS, WHAT WAS ON THE STREET AROUND IT AS FAR AS MATERIALS, HEIGHT, SCALE, UH, PROPORTION.
AND THEY, THEY DID LOOK TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE NORTH, WHICH WAS MORE OF A MODERN AND CONTEMPORARY NEIGHBORHOOD.
WHEN THEY WERE REVIEWING THESE HOUSES IN OAKWOOD PHASE ONE.
THERE WAS EVEN A, A STUDY DONE BY LRK MAYBE LIKE 20 YEARS AGO.
AND IT, IT SAID IT WAS A PRESERVATION PLAN STUDY.
IT CITED THIS AREA IS ONE THAT SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM THE HISTORIC, UH, OVERLAY.
UH, WE'VE NOT DONE THAT, UM, FOR PROBABLY A COUPLE REASONS.
UH, BUT ONE IS WHERE OAKWOOD BASE TWO IS IT, THERE ARE CONFIGURATIONS THAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED, UH, THAT DIDN'T, THAT WOULD'VE HAD A STRONGER RELATIONSHIP TO THE LOCAL HISTORIC OVERLAY IN THE COURT, BORDER LAW TYPE AVENUE.
IF ELLA WOOD LANE HAD GONE ALL THE WAY DOWN AND CONNECTED TO POPLAR AVENUE, THERE WOULD'VE BEEN A STRONG REASON TO, TO KEEP THAT IN A HISTORIC OVERLAY AND MAKE SURE IT WAS CONTEXTUAL.
AND, BUT THE WAY IT'S DEVELOPING, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT CHERRY WAY.
SO I'M TELLING YOU ALL THIS STORY TO, TO TO SAY.
UH, THERE WERE PREVIOUS STANDARDS, THERE WERE PREVIOUS ALLOWANCES MADE FOR THOSE OTHER HOUSES THAT WERE OUT THERE TO TAKE CUES FROM THE MORE MODERN NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THAT'S WHY IT LOOKS THE WAY IT DOES NOW.
SO THE APPLICANT IS, HAS PROPOSED A PLAN THAT'S, UH, THE LEASE IS CLOSER TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES, BUT IT DOESN'T MATCH EXACTLY.
IT'S STILL TAKING SOME CUES FROM, FROM WHAT'S TO THE WEST AS FAR AS THE, THE MATERIALS GO.
THE, THEY HAVE ARCHITECTURAL SHINGLES, DIMENSIONAL SHINGLES.
THEY ALSO PLAN TO USE SHAKE SHINGLES, UH, FOR THE MAJORITY OF THE FACADE, UH, WITH A, A SIMULATED STONE BASE.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY DETAILS OF THE SIMULATED STONE.
UH, BUT WE DID GET SOME PRODUCT SAMPLES ON THE, THE SIDING.
AND THE, THE SIDING IS A, A TYPE THAT WE HAVEN'T SEEN USED BEFORE.
IT'S, UH, IT'S NOT LIKE A, A CEDAR SHAPED SINGLE.
UM, THERE IS A, A CEDAR SHAPED HOUSE THAT'S AT, ON, AT ETTE AND MILL STREET.
IT'S A DARK RED PAINTED PAINTED HOUSE.
UM, AND IT, IT WAS STUDIED, IT WAS DETERMINED TO BE NOT ELIGIBLE FOR THE NATIONAL REGISTER INCIDENTALLY.
UH, BUT IT IS HAD A LOT OF ADDITIONS TO IT.
UH, BUT, AND THIS PARTICULAR MATERIAL IS, UH, IT'S AN ENGINEERED WOOD PRODUCT AND IT COMES WITH A PRE, PRE COLORED FINISH.
UH, HAS A A 30 YEAR WARRANTY, UH, GOING INTO SOME DETAILS ON THIS.
AND THEY, THEY PLAN ON USING THE SEVEN INCH SHAPE.
SO THE, THE SMALLER SHAPE FROM THE, THE PRODUCT SAMPLE.
UH, BUT I'M TELLING YOU ALL THIS TO SAY THAT SOME OF THESE MATERIALS LIKE THE SUB BOW STONE OR THIS, THE SIMULATED WOOD, WOOD PRODUCT, THESE ARE THINGS THAT YOU MIGHT NOT WANT TO APPROVE FOR AN INFILL HOUSE.
MAYBE ON WALNUT STREET OR MAYBE EVEN COLLEGE STREET.
THAT THERE'S, THERE'S THERE DIFFERENCES IN CHARACTER.
UH, BUT BECAUSE OF ITS DISJOINTED NATURE ALONG, UH, EWOOD LANE AND GRANDVIEW, UH, GREAT FALLS COVE AND THE, HIS HISTORY OF THIS AREA, IT MAY WARRANT APPROVING SOMETHING DIFFERENTLY IF YOU'RE SO INCLINED.
'CAUSE IT IS NOT GONNA BE SEEN, UH, MAYBE NOT EVEN FROM GREAT FALLS ROAD BECAUSE OF HOW FAR, FAR TECH WAY IT IS, BUT IT'S DEFINITELY NOT GONNA BE SEEN FROM THE REST OF THE CORRIDOR.
THAT'S ANOTHER POLICY ISSUE FOR THE HC.
THEY ARE PLANNING FOUR OVER ONE WINDOWS, ALUMINUM CLAD ALL WINDOWS.
UH, BUT THE GRIDS WOULD BE BETWEEN THE CLASS.
AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S A POLICY DECISION.
THEY HAVE LOTS OF DETAILS THAT TIE
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IN WITH THE CRAFTING BY ONE.THEY ON THE GARAGE, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, IT'S, IT'S IN BETWEEN THE, THE FRONT DOOR AND THE STREET.
SO THAT MAKES IT A HOOK IN STYLE, A GARAGE.
AND IT'S NOT, IT'S, IT IS IN FRONT OF THE, THE, UH, CENTER LINE OF THE HOUSE.
UH, WE NEED, WE'VE ASKED FOR SOME MORE DETAILS ON THE GARAGE DOOR, BUT SINCE IT IS GONNA BE SO PROMINENT, WE TYPICALLY AT A CONDITION OF SAY AN H BE A CARRIAGE TILE TYPE GARAGE DOOR, UM, SUPPORT THAT, THAT IS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL AS FAR AS THE DRIVEWAY GOES.
THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A CONCRETE PAD, AN EXPOSED AGGREGATE PAD, AND THEN IT'LL BE TRANSITIONED TO AN ASPHALT DRIVEWAY GOING ALL THE WAY TO THE HANDLER.
SO THE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE DESIGN WITH SOME CONDITIONS.
UM, WE BELIEVE THAT GARAGE PLACEMENT IS APPROPRIATE IN THIS CONTEXT ONLY BECAUSE OF WHAT'S HAPPENED AROUND IT.
BUT AGAIN, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING WE WOULD RECOMMEND FOR POP AVENUE OR MOST, MOST OF THE OTHER PARTS OF THE STORY DISTRICT.
AND IN THIS CONTEXT, IT MAKES SENSE.
A CC HAS APPROVED SOME, UH, GARAGES PAST THE CENTER LINE FOR OTHER ODD SITUATIONS.
SO YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE DONE IT BEFORE, BUT THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN SOME KIND OF MITIGATING CIRCUMSTANCE.
THE MATERIALS, UH, COULD BE APPROPRIATE.
THEY APPEAR TO REPLICATE OR TRUE FINISHES.
AGAIN, THESE WOULD BE NOT SOMETHING I WOULD PUT ON A HISTORIC HOUSE OR, OR MAYBE IN OTHER PARTS OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
AND WE DO BELIEVE THAT THEY WOULD COMPLY WITH THE GUIDELINES WITH THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.
AND WE DO KNOW THAT THE APPLICANT AGREES WITH ALL THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF NUMBER FOUR, WHICH IS RELATED TO HAVING, UH, UH, TRUE, TRUE DIVIDED LIGHT WINDOWS OR SIM SIMULATED DIVIDED LIGHT WINDOWS WITH THE GRIDS OUTSIDE THE GLASS.
THIS CONCLUDES STAFF'S PRESENTATION.
I KNOW THE APPLICANT'S HERE AND THEY'RE ABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS TO YOU MAKE A PRESENTATION.
UH, LET'S GO AHEAD AND OPEN UP DISCUSSION FOR STAFF RIGHT NOW.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I GOT A QUESTION ON THE, ON THE WINDOWS.
UH, I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT SAID THAT, THAT WE HAD APPROVED THOSE TYPES OF WINDOWS PREVIOUSLY.
DID YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THAT? I KNOW WE'VE APPROVED THE PELLA ALUMINUM CLA WINDOWS, BUT THE, THE GRIDS IN BETWEEN THE GLASS, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING I RECALL THE TOWN APPROVING.
UM, SOMEBODY MAY HAVE DONE IT WITHOUT APPROVAL, BUT THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE TYPICALLY, SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT EVEN IF IT DIDN'T COME TO THE HDC, THE PLANNING COMMISSION MIGHT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT OR THE DRC OR SOMEBODY.
UH, SINCE THIS IS A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE, THEY, THEY, THE DRC AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION WON'T SEE IT.
Y'ALL ARE THE ONLYS TO SEE IT BESIDES THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
JUDGE, IF I COULD ASK ON CONDITION NUMBER THREE, IS IT A TYPO? 5,000 K, BECAUSE 5,000 K IS THE MOST BRIGHT BLUE HARSHEST COLOR THERE IS, SHOULD THAT BE 3000 MAXIMUM? OH, CODE.
UH, AND IT IS, IT'S, IT'S COOLER, BUT IT, IT IS, IT IS LIKE, IT'S, IT, IT'S WARM.
IT'S AS COOL OF THE WARM AS THAT WE WOULD ALLOW.
BUT THREE THESE 3000 THOUSANDS.
IF I COULD THROW THAT OUT JUST FOR FUTURE CONSIDERATION.
IF YOU GO TO HOME DEPOT FIVE'S THE MOST YOU'RE GONNA GET UNLESS YOU GO TO INDUSTRIAL LIGHTING.
AND ON THE DEVELOPMENTS, UH, ON INFIELD DEVELOPMENTS, WE'VE BEEN INVOLVED 2,700 IS WHAT WE ASK FOR.
'CAUSE SOMETIMES YOU CAN'T GET 27.
BUT ONCE YOU GET ABOVE THREE IS WHEN YOU LOSE THE, UH, INCANDESCENT APPEARANCE.
SO JUST AN THAT YI THOUGHT THAT WAS A TYPO.
MAYBE THE CODE CAN CHANGE THE CODE
OH, UH, DID YOU AND THE BMA CAN.
SO I'LL, I'LL PUT THAT ON THE LIST.
THIS WE GO FORWARD 5,000 IS VERY LY DISTURBING.
UH, CARSON, I BROUGHT THIS UP PREVIOUSLY THAT THE WHOLE HISTORIC DISTRICT OUGHT TAKE ON A CONTINUOUS WARM WHITE AS THAT IS.
EVEN, EVEN AS YOU GO DOWN MOUNT PLEASANT, SOME OF THE HOUSES ARE STARTING TO GO WHITE.
AND EVEN ITEMS AT THE TOWN SQUARE YESTERDAY, AND I NOTICED THAT ALL THE LIGHTS IN THE TOWN SQUARE, I DON'T KNOW IF WE CHANGED THE BULBS IN THE SQUARE, BUT THEY'RE ALL WHITE LIGHT.
DID Y'ALL NOTICE THAT? DID Y'ALL NOTICE THAT? I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE, WHAT THE, WHEN THAT HAPPENED, BUT MY SON POINTED IT OUT TO ME BECAUSE WE HAVE THIS CONVERSATION AS WE DRIVE DOWN THE ROAD AND WE GO, WHY IS THERE WHITE LIGHT AND THEN WARM LIGHT, THEN WHITE LIGHT, THEN WARM LIGHT EVEN HAPPENS IN HALLE PLANTATION? IT'S HAPPENING IN DALE.
WHAT WHAT I TRULY BELIEVE HAPPENS IS MOST PEOPLE
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DUNNO MM-HMMAND THEY JUST GO BUY A LIGHT BULB AND THEN THEY FIND OUT THAT THAT'S THE TRUTH ABOUT THERE.
WELL, WE SHOULD HOLD THESE HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATIONS ACCOUNTABLE TO THIS.
SO WE'VE GOT OFF ON A TANGENT, SO SORRY.
WELL, I'LL BE ON YOUR SOAPBOX WITH YOU
WE HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR JAMIE? NO, I, LEMME GO BACK TO A LITTLE SHORT HISTORY.
THIS, THIS IS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT BECAUSE THIS LONG LOT BELONGED TO TIM TREAD.
AND THAT, THAT PUT IT IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
BUT REALLY IF IT, IF IT HAD NOT BEEN ONE OWNER, IT COULD'VE BEEN SOMEBODY ELSE THAT OWNED IT, IT WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
SO I'M MY, I GO BACK TO THE WINDOW.
IF, IF THIS DIDN'T COME TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, WOULD IT HAVE BEEN APPROVED JUST LIKE THEIR BUILDING? IF IT DIDN'T COME TO US? JUST LIKE PLANNING.
JUST WHEN THE PLANNING AND BUILDING.
AND, AND IF IT WASN'T IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, WOULD IT HAVE BEEN APPROVED? YES.
IF IT WAS NOT IN THE HISTORIC OVERLAY, IT, IT, IT WOULD'VE BEEN APPROVED.
ONE IS I DON'T THINK THIS IS A POSTER CHILD FOR REDRAWING THE LINES.
YOU CAN'T SEE THIS HOUSE FOR POPLAR IN ANY SHAPE FORM.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE GARAGE OR THE SIDING OR EVEN THE WINDOWS.
IT SHOULDN'T BE, WE SHOULDN'T BE SEEING THIS, IN MY OPINION ANYWAY.
SO WE ARE, BUT I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING FOR JAMIE? YEAH, I, I COULD SAY I DIDN'T SAY THE SAME THING.
I COULD HAVE COMMENTS ABOUT THE HOUSE, BUT I DON'T TAKE A MATTER TO THE COMMISSION.
SO BASED ON WHAT'S GOING ON AROUND IT.
SO FOR THAT REASON, I, I DON'T HAVE ANY OBJECTION TO THIS, JAMIE.
THE 2020, UH, WE HAD THE CONSULTANTS OUT, THEY COUNTED EVERY HOUSE.
AND WE AROUND THEN AT SOME POINT, I REMEMBER WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE RE THE REMACK, THE, THE OVERLAY, THE LOCAL OVERLAY, THE NATIONAL, DIDN'T WE CUT THIS OUT? ISN'T THAT WHAT YOU WERE REFERENCING EARLIER? DIDN'T WE WE, WE DISCUSSED REMOVING THIS, THE LOCAL OVERLAY, REMOVING THIS ALL TOGETHER.
I'D HAVE A LOT OF COMMENTS WERE IF WE WERE IN A, IN FRONT AREA OF A LOT OF CONCERNS, BUT, WELL, MY VOICE, I'LL SAY FOR THE RECORD THAT THE CEDAR SHAKE, WHETHER IT'S REAL OR NOT, WE HAD DESIGNATED FOR TOWN SQUARE TO GO AWAY AND NOT COME BACK.
SO IT WOULD NOT BE REALLY ANYWHERE ELSE, BUT MAYBE THIS ONE LOT.
UM, WE COULDN'T, WE'RE NOT ADDING IT.
WE'RE LETTING IT DIE OUT AND BE REPLACED.
ALL THE AWNINGS, ALL THAT, THAT WAS, WE, WE SPECIFICALLY DISCUSSED STEER GOING AWAY.
IT'S A NORTHEASTERN, UH, FIELD.
BUT I TEND TO AGREE WITH WHAT WE'RE SAYING HERE.
SO, UM, I WILL, JAMIE, THANK YOU.
I THINK WE'RE, I THINK WE'RE OKAY.
I'LL ASK THE APPLICANT IF HE'D LIKE ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK TO PRESENT AT THIS TIME AND WE CAN TALK WITH HIM AS WELL.
MY NAME'S DAVE RICHIE, 2 66 RIDGE CO.
UH, WE HAVE TRIED TO DESIGN THIS HOUSE TO BE RESPECTFUL.
IT'S NOT EXACTLY A STORE HOME.
UH, WE'VE LIVED IN OLD HOUSES AND I DON'T WANNA MAINTAIN ANOTHER HOU OLD HOUSE.
SO WE'RE DOING ONE LOOK LIKE AN OLD HOUSE.
UH, THE CONCEPT WE'RE USING IS AN AGING PLACE FOR NEW ARCHITECTURE.
YOU KNOW WHAT THAT IS? WE'RE ONE STORY.
NO CURB SHOWERS, 36 INCH POCKET DOORS INSIDE, THAT TYPE OF THING.
SO WHEN I START TO FALL APART, WE CAN STILL MAINTAIN A HOUSE.
UH, WE FEEL, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE TALK TO THE NEIGHBORS, UH, SHOWN THEM PLANS, SEE IF THEY HAD ANY CONCERNS.
THE NEIGHBORS THAT ARE ABLE TO SEE THE HOUSE, WHICH IS UNDER TWO OF 'EM, HAD NO ISSUES.
SORRY, ROBERT SMITH HAD NO ISSUE AND HE OWNS THE HOUSE ON
SO, UM, YEAH, I THINK, I THINK WE SATISFIED THE INTENT WITH THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE'LL BE THE OLDEST LOOKING HOUSE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE
DO WE WANT, DO WE NEED ANY MORE DISCUSSION ON THAT? IS THERE A MOTION OUT THERE? I MOVE APPROVAL OF, I DUNNO WHAT NUMBER IT'S PROJECT NEED STRIKE ON NUMBER FOUR OF THE, HE'S KIND OF NOT WANTING NUMBER FOUR OF THE APPROVAL LIST.
WE NEED TO SEE WHERE, YEAH, I, I'M, I'M GOING, I'M GOING MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE IT AND DELETE FOUR AS A CONTINGENCY.
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COMMISSIONER WALKER.IF I WERE YOU, I WOULD TAKE YOUR HOME LOCATION AND MAKE SURE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT KNOWS WHERE YOUR HOUSE
YOU NEVER KNOW IT'S BACK THERE.
THEY MAY NOT SEE YOU BACK THERE.
JAMIE, WE'VE MOVED OTHER BUSINESS UP.
ALLISON'S GONNA MAKE THIS NEXT PRESENTATION.
LET'S TRY TO HELP HER CLEAN ALL MY MESS OFF THE SCREEN.
YEAH, WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE, UH, THANK YOU CHAIR.
SO YOU, UM, ALL WOULD REMEMBER, UM, COMMISSIONER COST, I BELIEVE YOU WERE NOT HERE MAY 28TH.
UM, BUT YOU ALL HEARD THE FULL PRESENTATION ON MAY 28TH.
UM, THE APPLICANT'S AND THE PROPERTY OWNERS, JOAN, KATHY KING, THEY BOUGHT THE PROPERTY AT 2 43 COLLEGE STREET.
UM, THE HOME WAS BUILT IN 1958 AND BASED ON TOWN RECORDS, THERE HAVE BEEN, UH, TWO BUILDING PERMITS THAT HAVE BEEN PULLED FOR ADDITION TO THE HOUSE.
UM, THERE HAVE BEEN NEW WINDOWS ADDED, UH, TO THE HOUSE, BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHEN THAT WAS DONE.
'CAUSE THAT WAS DONE WITHOUT, UM, WITHOUT ANY PERMITS OR ANY, UM, ANY APPROVALS.
UH, SO THE HOUSE WAS NOT PART OF EITHER OF THE TWO SURVEYS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UM, I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHY WE THINK THAT MAY HAVE JUST BEEN AN OVERSIGHT, UM, IN THE CONTRACT WITH THE CONSULTANTS.
UM, BUT ESSENTIALLY, UH, ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN, UM, IN ORDER, YOU KNOW, IN THIS DISCUSSION OF THE NON-VOTING ITEM WOULD BE TO DETERMINE, UH, WHETHER THE HOME IS IN FACT HISTORIC OR NOT.
UH, SO I JUST WANNA RECAP REAL QUICK, UH, WHAT THE APPLICANTS WOULD LIKE TO DO.
UH, THEY WANT TO ADD IN ADDITION TO THE REAR OF THE HOUSE, EXTEND THE FRONT PORCH, UH, REPLACE THE FRONT PORCH COLUMNS AND RAILINGS, UH, RELOCATE THE FRONT ENTRANCE, UH, REPLACE THE EXTERIOR DOORS AND WINDOWS, UH, REPLACE THE ROOF, ADD DORMERS, AND THEN ALSO PAINT THE RED BRICK.
SO, UH, AS, AS WAS LAID OUT IN THE MEMO, UM, THESE ARE JUST SOME QUESTIONS THAT STAFF IS SUGGESTING COULD HELP GUIDE THE DISCUSSION.
AND AGAIN, THE FIRST WOULD BE WHETHER OR NOT THE PROPERTY HAS HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE.
AND IF IT DOES, IS THERE ENOUGH DIFFERENTIATION OF THAT REAR ADDITION? UM, IF NOT, UM, IF THE HOME ISN'T HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT, HOW WILL THESE CHANGES AFFECT THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD? UM, IS IT OKAY TO PAINT THE BRICK OF THE PRE 1970S HOUSE? UH, WILL THE NEW WINDOWS BE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES? UM, IS THE ADDITION OF THE LARGE FRONT PORCH AND RELOCATION OF THE FRONT ENTRANCE APPROPRIATE? AND ARE THE PROPOSED COLUMNS AND RAILINGS APPROPRIATE AS WELL? SO I CAN GO THROUGH, UM, MAYBE RECAP WHAT IT IS THE APPLICANT IS, IS PROPOSING, IF THAT'S NECESSARY, OR IF YOU GUYS, UM, PERHAPS ARE JUST PREPARED TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION OR IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.
JOE AND KATHY ARE HERE AND THEIR ARCHITECT, UH, MR. TOM SULLIVAN IS HERE AS WELL.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR HIM, I'M THINKING OF CAN WE HAVE THE LIST BACK THE, THE QUESTIONS WE NEED TO ADDRESS? I, I WOULD, I THINK WE NEED TO GO DOWN ONE BY ONE OR AT LEAST A COUPLE OF TIME AND SAY WHAT WE THINK ABOUT SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS HERE.
AND THAT MAY HELP US GO FORWARD WITH HOW WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT COLUMNS AND THE WINDOWS AND WHAT WE THINK.
BECAUSE IF IT'S NOT DISTORT YOUR, YOUR ANSWER IS A LOT DIFFERENT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT MATERIALS.
SO IF, IF THE BOARD IS OKAY, I'D LIKE TO OPEN IT UP AND TALK ABOUT THAT FOR A MINUTE.
UM, SO DO YOU HAVE ANY STARTING POINT ON THAT AS FAR AS WE KNOW IT WAS BUILT IN THE FIFTIES.
UM, SO BASICALLY YOU'RE ASKING IF, IF WE DID A SURVEY OF IT, DO WE THINK IT'S A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE ESSENTIALLY? YEAH, THAT'S CORRECT.
UM, AND I I WILL SAY, YOU KNOW, IT WAS BUILT IN 58.
IT'S THE MINIMAL TRADITIONAL STYLE WITH TWO DOOR ACCENTS.
UH, LIKE I SAY THERE, THERE HAVE BEEN TWO DOCUMENTED ADDITIONS TO THE HOUSE.
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AT THE MAP OF THE SURVEY PROPERTIES, UM, THIS IS OUR, THIS IS OUR SUBJECT PROPERTY HERE.UH, SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THE MAJORITY OF THE HOMES THAT WERE BUILT AROUND THE SIMILAR TIME, UM, THE MAJORITY OF THE HOMES AROUND THEM HAVE BEEN DEEMED TO NOT BE, UH, ELIGIBLE FOR THE NATIONAL REGISTER.
UM, THE HOME NEXT DOOR, UM, WAS BUILT IN THE LATE FORTIES.
VERY LITTLE HAS CHANGED ABOUT THAT HOUSE.
UM, AND THIS IS, THIS IS THAT PROPERTY HERE.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, BASED ON THE CRITERIA FOR DETERMINING SIGNIFICANCE AND BASED ON, UM, WHAT STAFF KNOWS ABOUT THE PROPERTY, UH, STAFF DOES NOT BELIEVE THAT THE HOME HAS, UH, HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANT OR WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR THE NATIONAL REGISTER.
WHY NOT? WELL, IF WE LOOK AT, UM, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WHAT THAT CRITERIA IS, IT, IT'S NOT KNOWN TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH ANY, UM, YOU KNOW, IMPORTANT INDIVIDUAL OR AN IMPORTANT EVENT.
UM, AND THEN BECAUSE OF THOSE ADDITIONS TO THE HOUSE, UH, WE CAN'T REALLY DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT IT, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT KNOWN IF THE HOUSE IS MAINTAINED THE MAJORITY OF ITS ORIGINAL CHARACTER.
SO YOU CAN'T TELL WHAT'S BEEN ADDED.
UM, YES, WE, WE CAN, WE CAN TELL WHAT'S BEEN ADDED.
UM, AND I APOLOGIZE, I DON'T HAVE THE PHOTO IN THE SLIDE.
UM, IT WAS DISCUSSED AT THE MAIN MEETING, UM, THERE WAS A, UH, OLD PORCH THAT WAS TURNED INTO LIVABLE SPACE AND THEN, UH, THERE WAS AN OLD BATHROOM, UM, THAT WAS TURNED INTO AN ADDITION.
I, I'M, I'M HAVING A, A PRETTY BAD ISSUE THAT YOU SAY IS NOT A HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE.
THAT WHOLE STREET IS PART OF THE CHARACTER OF THIS TOWN.
IT'S ONE OF THE MOST POPULAR STREETS BECAUSE OF THAT.
AND, AND I, I I THINK IF YOU, AND, AND I ADDED ON A BIG ADDITION IN THE BACK OF MY HOUSEHOLD, DOES THAT EXCLUDE MY HOUSE FROM BEING HISTORIC? I DON'T THINK SO.
UM, BASED ON WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT THE HOUSE AND THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD, WE DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR THE NATIONAL REGISTER.
WELL, THAT'S, THAT'S HISTORICALS.
BUT AS FAR AS COGGLE CONCERNED MM-HMM.
AND THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THE STREET AND THE AREA, IT'S IMPORTANT.
AND I DON'T MIND ADDITIONS, BUT, AND, AND THE, AND CHANGING THE FRONT ELEVATION IS UP FOR DISCUSSION.
I HAVE SOFTENED, SOFTENED MY OPPOSITION TO SOME TYPE OF PAINT BRICK.
BUT I THINK THE HISTORIC COMMISSION, HDC NEEDS TO APPROVE WHATEVER COLORS THEY ARE.
BUT I, I THINK THIS HOUSE HAS, JUST BECAUSE ROBERT E. LEE DIDN'T STAY THERE DOES NOT MEAN NOT IMPORTED TO COWA.
99% OF THE HOUSES IN COWA DIDN'T HAVE ANYBODY IN PORT LIVING THERE.
SO IT'S JUST OF THE PERIOD, WHETHER YOU TAKE IT TO TWENTIES OR THE FIFTIES, A LOT OF HOUSES IN HISTORIC DISTRICT WERE BUILT IN THE FORTIES AND FIFTIES MM-HMM
SO I'M OUT OF THE OPINION IT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED HISTORIC JUST BECAUSE OF ITS LOCATION AND NOT BECAUSE OF ANYTHING ELSE.
SO THE ONE HIGHLIGHTED, LET'S, WHAT IS THE, WHAT'S THE JOG I SEE HERE CARVING OUT THIS ONE? WHAT, WHAT IS THIS DOTTED LINE REPRESENTING TO ME? JUST TO THE RIGHT? WELL, YEAH, I MEAN, WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE DOTTED LINE REPRESENTING IN ANY WAY? SO I BELIEVE THIS IS THE LOCAL, THIS IS THE LOCAL OVERLAY.
AND THEN THE LARGER, UM, UH, SOLID LINE WOULD N NO, I APOLOGIZE.
THE DASH LINE IS THE NATIONAL REGISTER.
UM, AND THEN THE, UM, SOLID LINE WOULD BE THE, UH, LOCAL OVERLAY.
SO THIS HOUSE IS NOT IN THE NATIONAL REGISTERED DISTRICT, BUT IT IS WITHIN THE LOCAL OVERLAY.
SO THE GOLD, A LOT OF THE GOLD DOTS FALL WITHIN THAT DOTTED LINE OR CONTRIBUTING TO THE NATIONAL REGISTER.
BUT THEY'RE ALL IN HISTORIC DISTRICT, ALL OF THIS.
I, I MEAN, I, I TOTALLY AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER COX.
THIS STREET, IF YOU DRIVE DOWN, IT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST CHARMING STREETS IN TOWN.
AND TO COMPLETELY LET GO OF OUR DESIGN GUIDELINES WHATSOEVER HERE AND LET THIS HOUSE BE MODIFIED TO THE FACT WHERE IT, IT DOES NOT FIT THE CHARM OF THE STREET WOULD BE A MISTAKE.
SO, UH, WITH THAT SAID, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ASKING THIS QUESTION HERE.
IF IT CONTRIBUTES TO THE, WELL THAT'S A, THAT'S A, THAT'S A SLIGHTLY,
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YOU WALK A WALK IN A FINE LINE THERE BY ANSWERING THAT QUESTION, BECAUSE THEN AT WHAT POINT DO WE LOSE OUR ABILITY TO, TO HAVE COMMENTS? WE SAID IT'S NOT CONTRIBUTING.MAYBE ANOTHER WAY I LOOK AT IT IS JUST THE HOUSE PARKED GROUND.
WE WOULD CERTAINLY BE REVIEWING A NEW HOUSE.
AND SO WE SHOULD REVIEW WITH, UH, CONCERNS AND SKILL OF WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED FOR THE POSITION MODIFICATION.
'CAUSE IT'S THE, IT'S THE CHARACTER OF THE STREET.
YOU'RE NOT SAYING THAT IF YOU BURNED DOWN THAT THEY COULD FEEL SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT OR YOU ARE AND WE JUST HAVE TO LOOK AT IT OR, WELL, I'M SAYING ANYTHING ON THAT STREET IN MY MIND SHOULD BE REVIEWED BY, OKAY.
'CAUSE IT'S IN THE DISTRICT, RIGHT? YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT.
UH, IT, IT'S KIND OF AN INTERESTING QUESTION BECAUSE THE, THE PREVIOUS APPLICANT, NO ONE'S EVER GONNA SEE THE HOME AND IT'S IN THE DISTRICT.
AND WE, AND WE OUGHT CONSIDER EVERYTHING ABOUT THIS HOUSE ALSO AS WHAT, OKAY, LET'S HAVE THE QUESTIONS AGAIN.
IT SOUNDS LIKE, UM, WE FEEL, OR AT LEAST A FEW OF US, THAT THE GENERAL ASPECT OF IT IS, IS AN ADDITION.
IT'S NOT, UM, IT IS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE IS WHAT SOME ARE SAYING HERE.
SO LET'S, WE CAN GO SORT IN THAT DIRECTION.
UM, SO IF THAT IS TRUE, WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT HOW THESE CHANGES ARE GONNA AFFECT.
SO I GUESS RICK IS OUR PAINT IS THE NEXT SORT OF PROBLEM TO SOLVE? I WOULD SAY, YEAH.
LET'S SEE THE FRONT OF IT AGAIN.
BUT I LIKE THAT'S A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT, WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE THERE'S A FEW THINGS GOING ON.
ANYTHING THEY DO TO IT, WE HAVE A CHARGED TO PRESERVE SOME THINGS, BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY CAN'T MAKE IT BETTER, IN MY OPINION.
THE HOUSE ON WEST COLLEGE, AND I KNOW IT'S A KGA HOUSE, WHICH Y'ALL, THAT THAT HOUSE WAS ADDED ONTO AND HAD A DIFFERENT BRICK AND, AND WE TURNED IT DOWN FOR PAINTING WHEN KAREN TABOR HAD IT AND THE NEXT BOUGHT, THE NEXT PEOPLE THAT CAME KNEW WASN'T SUPPOSED TO PAINT IT, THEY PAINTED IT ANYWAY.
SO WE WERE KIND OF STUCK WITH IT.
BUT IN HINDSIGHT, THE HOUSE LOOKS BETTER THAN IT DID WITH, WITH BEIGE PAINT ON IT.
SO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE PAINT COULD BE ALLOWED.
UH, WE'VE GOT HOUSES IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT ARE SIMILAR TO THIS BUNGALOW HOUSE THAT ARE PAINTED, THAT LOOKED NICE.
SO I DON'T THINK IT'S A, UH, YOU KNOW, A COMPLETE LET DOWN IF WE ALLOW SOME KIND OF PAINT COLOR ON SOME OF THESE HOUSES, IF IT WORKING, I MAY BE A VOICE IN, IN THE FOREST, BUT I DON'T, THAT'S JUST KIND OF SOFT THAT IF, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THE PROPOSED CHANGES OMIT THE CURRENT FRONT ENTRY AND THE STONE.
YEAH, THE DOOR MOVES AND THERE'S A PROPOSED PORCH THAT GOES FROM ONE SIDE TO THE OTHER.
UM, SO IN REALITY, THE BRICK IS GONNA BE BEHIND THE PROPOSED FRONT FACADE, WHICH IS THE PORCH.
SO GREAT BECOMES LESS PREDOMINANT OF AN ELEMENT BECAUSE IT'S IN SHAPE, IT'S BEHIND.
I HAVE MORE OF A CONCERN WITH THE SCALE OF ADDING A PORCH THAT RUNS ACROSS THE HOUSE ON SUCH A, UH, MODEST SCALE.
I THINK THE SCALE OF THE PORCH IS TO OUT, OUT OF SCALE.
AND I, I'M CURIOUS IF THE APPLICANT WOULD BE OPEN TO OMITTING THE PORCH TO THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE FRONT G AND THEN PROPORTIONALLY THE COLUMNS ON THE LEFT SIDE, WHERE THE FRONT ENTRY IS, INSTEAD OF HAVING THESE TWO HORIZONTAL BAYS ADDING A COLUMN.
SO THE COLUMN BASE WE READ VERTICAL.
TO ME THOSE KIND OF ELEMENTS AND HOW A SCALE FEELS IS MORE CORE, ALMOST PAINTED BRICK A DO SKETCH.
I THINK IT WOULD BE A MORE APPROPRIATELY.
AND THEN YOU COULD ALSO BUILD A WINDOW, DO A DOUBLE.
AND IN THAT FRONT BEDROOM WHERE YOU'RE SHOWING A PORCH, I THINK THE HOUSE LOOK TREMENDOUSLY BETTER.
AND IT'D BE IN KEEPING VERSUS HAVING A REALLY LONG SHORT LOAD.
DOES HE HAVE BRING PAPER? HE, YEAH.
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MIGHT BE DRAWING UNDER.IT SOUNDS LIKE WE, UH, I MEAN, I THINK, I THINK OVERALL IT SEEMS, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE A PROJECT THAT CAN BE WORKED AND CAN BE DONE.
I DON'T, I DON'T HEAR ANYONE SAYING DON'T TOUCH ANYTHING AND DON'T DO ANYTHING.
I THINK IT'S GOOD NEWS ALL THE WAY AROUND.
IT MAY NOT BE EXACTLY WHAT EVERYBODY'S LOOKING AT, BUT I THINK THE COMMISSION FEELS IT'S A CONTRIBUTING FACTOR.
SO WE'RE GONNA HOLD SOME STANDARDS THERE.
UH, WE UNDERSTAND THE BREAK AND THAT SOUNDS LIKE, UH, PAINT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT WE TALK ABOUT, UH, HERE.
ANY OBJECTIONS? SO THOSE ARE ALL GOOD THINGS.
UH, I THINK IT GETS DOWN TO CARS.
I MEAN THERE, THERE'S A PATH, RIGHT? YEAH.
FRONT THIS AND WE CAN, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE
UH, SO STAFF, IF YOU'RE, IF YOUR ALLISON, IF YOU'RE OKAY, I'LL HAVE APPLICANT COME UP.
AND WE'LL TALK ON THERE THAT MM-HMM
STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE.
KATHY KING, 10 47 MILLBURY ROAD.
SO ALLISON HAS BEEN KIND ENOUGH TO SHARE SOME OF THE INFORMATION WITH US.
AND UM, SO THE ORIGINAL PAPERWORK THAT GOT SENT WITH ALL THE PICTURES AND THINGS HAVE CHANGED QUITE A LOT.
THE, FOR EXAMPLE, THE COLUMNS WOULD BE NO LONGER THE COLUMNS THAT WOULD BE WR IRON, LIKE, WHICH IS ALREADY ON THE HOUSE.
AND I'VE ALREADY CONTACTED A COMPANY THAT SAID THAT THEY CAN DUPLICATE THAT BROAD IRON TO BE EXACTLY THE SAME.
AND THIS IS, THIS IS KIND OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WHAT THE HOUSE WOULD LOOK LIKE, MINUS SUR PLUS THE PAINT.
UM, WHETHER IT BE SOMETHING THAT JUST LIGHTENS IT OR THAT TYPE THING.
I THINK YOU PUT A PICTURE OF IT IN OUR PRESENTATION.
IS IT, IT WAS NOT IN THE PRESENTATION.
THE, WHERE THE ENTRANCE IS NOW, THE DRIVEWAY IS, UM, ON THE FAR SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
THE ENTRANCE IS ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE YARD.
WHERE THE DOOR IS NOW IS ACTUALLY A SIDE DOOR ONTO THE SIDE PORCH.
SO THAT IS THE, WHAT EVERYBODY USES AS THE ENTRANCE INTO THAT HOUSE.
SO IT'S JUST MOVING THE DOOR FROM THE SIDE TO THE FRONT MM-HMM
AND THEN CLOSING THAT DOOR OFF IN THE, ON THE OTHER SIDE.
THE OTHER PROBLEM WITH THE DOOR ON THE OTHER SIDE IS IT'S LEAKING SOMEWHERE BETWEEN THE ROOF AND THE, THAT DOOR AREA BECAUSE WE'VE GOT PAINT PEELING OFF THE WALLS.
NOW I'LL PUT THE PICTURE OF THE EXISTING HOME ON, ON THE SCREEN, PLEASE.
IS THAT AN AI OR THAT'S A GOOD EXAMPLE.
THAT IS NOT THE SCALE OF THE OH YEAH.
WE USED THIS, UH, MR. SULLIVAN WAS GOOD ENOUGH TO MOVE THE, I FORGET WHAT THEY'RE CALLED.
WE CALL 'EM DOG HOUSES, BUT HE, UM, GOT THEM BACK IN LINE WITH THE, WHERE THE COLUMN WERE AND THAT'S WHEN I WAS ABLE TO PUT GOOD DATA ON AND TRY TO GET SOME SAMPLE.
IT'S THE HEIGHT RELATIONSHIP AND THAT PICTURES PRETTY GOOD.
SO THE DOOR, THE DOUBLE DOOR, NOW THAT IT'S A SINGLE DOOR MAKES, COMES WITH A DOUBLE DOOR.
IT'S NOT, IT DOESN'T TAKE PLACE AT THAT WINDOW THERE.
RIGHT? IT'S, IT'S, IT'S DIRECTLY UNDER THE EXISTING PORCH.
THERE'S, THERE'S A, IT'S WHERE THERE'S A SWING AND THE DOOR SITS HERE.
AND SO INSTEAD OF HAVING IT HERE, SINCE WE WERE MOVING THE FRONT DOOR OR WANTED TO MOVE THE FRONT DOOR, RIGHT.
WE JUST FLIPPED IT ONTO THE FRONT PART WHERE THE EXISTING WINDOW IS NOW AND CHANGED THE DOOR TO A WINDOW.
CAN, CAN YOU PUT BACK TO THE PAINT PICTURE? THERE IS A HOUSE ON COLLEGE STREET THAT HAS THE, UM, THAT IS PAINTED THE WAY I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IT PAINTED.
I DON'T WANT THE BRICK COMPLETELY COVERED WITH PAINT.
UM, BUT I SAW IT, IT'S ON THE VERY END OF THE STREET AND IT'S, UM, IT JUST LOOKS LIKE IT'S, IT'S MORE OF THAT WHERE YOU CAN SEE THE BRICK THROUGH IT.
IT'S JUST KIND OF THAT WHITEWASH TYPE THING ON IT SO THAT WE DON'T GET RID OF THE COLOR OF IT, BUT IT JUST KIND OF,
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WHICH HOUSE ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? I DON'T THINK I PUT THE, WHEN YOU SAY IT'S AT THE END, YOU TALKING ABOUT ALL THE WAY TO WEST END OF TOWARDS ON THE LEFT.IF, IF YOU GO IN THE, THE ENTRANCE AFTER YOU PASS WALMART, THE FIRST ENTRANCE THERE, IT'S IN THE CORNER.
STREET IS IT IS WHAT? IT IT'S RICE HOUSE.
I THINK IT, IT'S GOT A REALLY BIG YARD BEHIND IT.
THAT'S A BRAND NEW CONSTRUCTION.
THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S BRICK COLOR.
IT'S NOT REALLY, UM, IS IT, IS IT, UM, WASHROOM? I DON'T THINK IT'S WASHED.
I DON'T THINK IT IS BRICK COLOR.
WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS YOU'D LIKE TO LIGHTEN IT UP WITH A WASH TO MAKE IT LOOK SIMILAR TO THAT, RIGHT? CORRECT.
I MEAN, I, I MEAN CARSON, I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS THING'S WAY OFF THE ROAD, IT'S KIND OF, I MEAN, I, I DON'T LIVE IN A WATCH, WOULDN'T, WOULDN'T MAKE IT KIND OF SHOW UP A LITTLE BIT, BUT I DON'T THINK I, YOU KNOW, JUST TAKE THE BRICK AND DECIDE.
I MEAN, WE DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU WANT TO GO DOWN COLLEGE STREET AND START LOSING ALL YOUR BRICK WITH THESE SOLID, OPAQUE FINISHES ACROSS THE BRICK.
WELL, I, I'VE ALWAYS THOUGHT IN THE LONG RUN IT'S HARDER ON THE HOUSE.
AND THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE DON'T QUITE LIKE TO HEAR.
IT'S, IT MAKES THE BRICK BACK QUICKER.
I I THINK 1950S BRICK BEING PAINTED COMPLETELY SEALED IS, IS VERY HARD ON THAT BUILDING.
BUT THAT'S JUST, THERE'S QUITE A FEW PICTURES OF WHAT THE BRICK IS, WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE IN SEVERAL PLACES.
AND THERE'S NO FIVE FEET THAT'S THE SAME COLOR.
IT'S, IT'S JUST, UM, THEY HAD TO PUT VENTS FOR THE HOUSE.
EVERYWHERE THERE'S A VENT, THERE'S CRACKED BRICKS OR CRACKED MORTAR AND THERE'S VENTS ALL THE WAY AROUND THE HOUSE BECAUSE THE WATER DRAINED UNDER THE HOUSE.
DRAINAGE AND PROBABLY NOT A LOT OF SUNLIGHT ON THE GROUND AND THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS GOING ON.
IT'S OFF THE ROAD, STREET MATURE NOW.
UH, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS HAPPEN THERE THAT, THAT UM, THIS, THIS IS A BIG CHANGE.
BECAUSE WE PROTECTED THE STREET TO THE POINT THAT THESE LITTLE HOUSES HAVEN'T CHANGED.
AND IF WE ALLOW THIS, AND I'M NOT SAYING I'M FORWARD AGAINST IT NECESSARILY, WE NEED TO CONSIDER THAT IT IS A BIG CHANGE THAT OTHERS WILL COME TO US IF THEY WE'LL HAVE TO ADDRESS.
WE, WE NEED TO GET IT RIGHT WITH ALL OF US TOGETHER.
SO THE BLACK WINDOWS WITH, UH, WE'RE ALLOWED, WE MUST SEE BLACK ON NEW DESTRUCTION.
WE HAVE THE, THE INFORMATION ON THE WINDOWS THAT ARE WHITE ARE, ARE THEY WHAT? WINDOWS WITH GRAY BUTTONS? I HAVE THE INFORMATION IN HERE.
IT'S, IT'S MORE OF BOTH A BACK AND FORTH WORK SESSION TO A DEGREE.
RIGHT NOW WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE, SO THIS IS THE, WE HAD A WINDOWS PERSON CAME OUT AND THAT THIS IS ALL THE INFORMATION ON THE WINDOWS AND THEY ARE WHITE.
SO I I I I'M THINKING ABOUT TANYA, GREG AND I'M ALSO THINKING ABOUT WHAT, WHAT WE'RE REALLY GONNA SEE, WHAT WE'RE REALLY GONNA SEE IS THE PORCH CONDITION AND THE DETAILS AND THE MATERIALS.
AND I'M CURIOUS OF, AND THE FIRST VERSION THAT THAT WAS GIVEN TO US FROM THE PREVIOUS MONTH OF WHAT I BELIEVE I'M SEEING IS A SQUARE OR ROUND WOOD COLUMN THAT GOES FROM THE PORCH FLOOR TO THE B.
WOULD YOU NOT LIKE THAT? WELL, OR, OR, OR DO YOU NOT LIKE THAT AND YOU WANT TO GO WITH THE METAL? OR ARE YOU THINKING THE IRON IS BETTER OR DO YOU, OR DO YOU THINK THAT WAS A COMMENT THAT YOU'RE RESPONDING TO? WELL, THE, WHAT WE JUST, WE SAID THAT TO KEEP IT BECAUSE WE WANT, WE DO WANT TO KEEP THE INTEGRITY OF THE STREET AND THE HOUSE AND BECAUSE THERE'S WR IRON THERE AND IT WOULD KEEP IT MORE IN THE HISTORIC NATURE OF WHAT THE HOUSE WAS BUILT IN, THAT WE COULD DO THE WR IRON.
SO, SO WHAT I'VE EXPERIENCED IS A LOT OF TIMES THAT RAW IRON VERSUS HOUSE WAS BUILT IN 58.
IT MAY NOT HAVE BEEN THERE DAY ONE.
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IN, IN WHAT? LATE SIXTIES WHEN THE WOOD COLLAR ROD.AND SO TO SIT HERE AND, AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHETHER THAT IRON IS ORIGINAL OR NOT, I, I REALLY DON'T THINK IT WAS OKAY.
IT WAS A POPULAR THING IN THE SIXTIES TO ADD THAT IRON WORK.
THE FACT OF EVERYTHING I KNOW ABOUT THAT TYPE OF IRON WORK, I TRULY BET THERE WAS A WOOD COLUMN THERE.
WELL, I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE WOOD COLUMN THERE.
AND I THINK, I MEAN, I'M JUST SPEAKING HERE.
WHEN I LOOK AT BACK AT THAT RENDERING THAT WAS OPEN A SECOND AGO, THE, THE LITTLE SHORT STONE OR BRICK WALL, WHERE IS IT? CAN WE GET THAT RENDER IN THE BACK? THAT THAT WAS THERE? YOU MEAN THE CLIP ON CALLED? YEAH.
UH, YOU KNOW, ALL OF A SUDDEN IT'S TRYING TO MAKE THE CRASH IN THE HOUSE.
PERSONALLY, I THINK THAT'S TOTALLY INCORRECT.
AND IF YOU JUST WENT BACK TO A PROPER SCALED COLUMN, I DON'T CARE IF IT'S WOOD OR FABLE WOOD, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S WOOD.
AND IT GOES FROM THE BEAM AND THE BEAM DOESN'T STICK OUT BEYOND THE COLUMN.
HE KNOWS I MARKED UP, LET Z OF HIS PLANS, THE COLUMN IN BEAM SHOULD ALIGN WITH EACH OTHER AND, AND TAKE IT TO THE GROUND AND, AND GET YOUR PROPORTION OF WHERE YOUR, HOW YOUR COLUMNS ARE SPACE.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE AN ATTRACTIVE SOUTHERN APPROPRIATE FOR THIS STREET HOUSE.
ME, THAT'S WHAT I, I THINK THE IRONY WAS OUT OF CHARACTER.
LOOKED LIKE NEW ORLEANS ALL OF A SUDDEN.
UH, THAT'S NOT WHAT CAR IT WAS THE WINDOWS.
NOW I DIDN'T LOOK ARE DATE, ARE THEY SIX OVER SIX OUT SEVEN? WHAT ARE THEY? OR ARE THEY DIFFERENT? ARE THEY ALL MIS YEAH, IT'S, UM, YEAH, SO ALL THE WINDOWS THAT ARE VISIBLE FROM THE STREET, SIX OVER SIX, BUT WHEN YOU GO TO THE BACK OF THE HOUSE WHERE ALL THE ADDITIONS WERE, THOSE ARE ONE OVER ONE.
WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE 'EM ALL MATCH.
I THINK THE FRONT WINDOW THERE, THE MIDDLE WINDOW IS 8 0 8.
THE MIDDLE WINDOW LOOKS ODDLY DIFFERENT TO ME.
UM, IT COULD HAVE BEEN CHANGED, I DON'T KNOW.
BUT I, I WOULD, I WOULD GUESS THAT WINDOW RIGHT BY THE PORCH THOUGH IS ORIGINAL.
THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE.
AND, AND I'M, I'M LIKE YOU, THEY ALL SHOULD JUST BE WHATEVER IT'S GONNA BE.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU A QUESTION, AND THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OFF SUBJECT, BUT WHEN YOU MOVED, WHEN YOU, WHY DID YOU BUY THE HOUSE? WHY DID YOU COME TO THAT PARTICULAR STREET? WHAT MADE YOU, WHAT BROUGHT YOU THERE? BECAUSE I MADE THE STATEMENT ONE TIME AFTER THEY STARTED BUILDING HOUSES NEAR WILSON'S FURNITURE STORE THAT I SAID THAT IT WOULD BE COOL TO LIVE ON THE SQUARE OR RIGHT OFF OF THE SQUARE.
AND THAT HOUSE, MY HUSBAND FOUND THAT IT WAS FOR SALE AND WE FELL IN LOVE WITH A LOT.
I HATED THE HOUSE, BUT WE FELL IN LOVE WITH A LOT.
AND UM, SO I JUST ASSUMED THAT WE COULD DO, YOU KNOW, SPRUCE THE HOUSE UP.
THIS IS GONNA BE OUR RETIREMENT HOME.
SO WE WANTED A ONE LITTLE HOUSE, BUT WE WANTED A LITTLE BIT MORE ROOM THAN THAT, THAN THAT ONE HAS.
SO THAT'S WHY WE BOUGHT THE HOUSE ADD ONTO TO IT.
TO ME, EVEN THOUGH I HAVEN'T SEEN THE DRAWING, I WOULDN'T THINK THAT WOULD BE A HUGE PROBLEM.
IT IS THE TOTAL CHANGE OF THE ELEVATION THAT, THAT I'VE GOTTA GET.
ARE YOU PROCESSED FROM GROUND TO UP YOU MEAN OR? YEAH, THAT'S WHAT THE FRONT LOOKS LIKE.
WELL, I THINK THAT PICTURE'S VERY NICE LOOKING HOUSE IS CUTE TO BE, BUT I'M NOT SURE ABOUT WHETHER IT NEEDS TO REPLACE WHAT'S THERE LIKE THAT.
I MEAN, I THINK CARSON HAD TO GO DOWN THE RIGHT YEAH.
I, I THINK IT'S HARD FOR YOU TO SEE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, HE DOES IT ALL DAY AND TOM DOES IT ALL DAY AND UNTIL WE CAN PUT A PICTURE IN FRONT OF US AND WE CAN KIND OF PICTURE WHAT HE'S SAYING AND YOU KNOW, I THINK, I THINK THERE'S, I THINK HE'S TRYING TO GUIDE YOU IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
THE UH, IF, IF I LOOK AT THIS, I WOULD CALL IT A RANCH COTTAGE JUST TO GIVE IT A TERM.
AND I HAVE TO BE PATIENT WITH THIS A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE THIS IS A BIG CHANGE.
THAT WE HAVE PROTECTED COLLEGE STREET FOREVER AND TO LET YOU DO THIS AS A COMPLETE 180 FROM WHAT WE'VE EVER DONE IT.
AND SO THE FACT THAT WE'RE EVEN TALKING TO ME, WE ARE SHOULD BE ENCOURAGING, BUT IT'S STILL A, STILL A BIG HUGE DECISION.
FOR A SO, SO PART OF THE PROBLEM I HAVE, LET'S JUST LOOK AT YOUR, CAN WE GET THE DRAWING UP ON THE ELEVATION? THAT, THAT
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THE ORIGINAL DRAWING THAT WAS IN OUR PACKET,IF, IF YOU COULD ENVISION THOSE COLUMNS AND THE PORCH ON THE LEFT, IF YOU, INSTEAD OF HAVING ONE COLUMN IN THE MIDDLE, YOU HAD TWO EQUALLY SPACE THAT, THAT IN OUR GABLE IN THE CENTER WOULD GIVE YOU A COTTAGE SCALE AND THEN THE RIGHT SIDE YOU DON'T, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO BUILD THAT PORCH.
YOU COULD DO A DOUBLE WINDOW IN THAT FRONT ROOM WHERE THE DOOR IS NOW.
AND THAT WOULD GIVE IT THE PROPER SCALE UP INSTEAD OF A LITTLE WINDOW IN THE LONG WALL.
AND, AND I THINK YOU'D BE HOME, HOME PRETTY MUCH HOME FREE.
BUT THEN LAST TIME WE TALKED, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE DOUBLE COLUMNS ON THE, THE FRONT.
YEAH, THAT'S, I THINK THERE A SINGLE COLUMN THERE AND THAT THAT YEAH, I MEAN YOU CAN KEEP THE DOUBLE AND ADD A DOUBLE ON THE END AND THEN ADD TWO COLUMNS THEN YOU GOT, BUT THEN HAVING THE LARGER DORM ON THE LEFT SIDE.
RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST A LITTLE OUT SCALE AND OUT PORTION.
WHICH, WHICH GOES AGAINST WHAT CARS COMMON STREET LOOKS LIKE.
I THAT OUT THAT THAT IT WOULDN'T TOTALLY CHANGE THE TO FRONT OF THE HOUSE MR. PRODUCTS FROM I AGREE WITH IT FROM ONE SIDE TO THE OTHER TO GET IT A WHOLE NEW FRONT'S.
LIKE WHAT ARE WE DOING? WHAT I'M PROPOSING IS YOU, YOU TAKE THE GABLE, KEEP THE PROPOSED PORCH IN FRONT OF IT, MAKE THE PORCH BETTER ON THE SIDE.
YOU ALREADY HAVE A PORCH AND DON'T PUT A PORCH ON THE OTHER SIDE.
SO IT, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT JUST MOVING IT SLIDE TO THE LETTER.
IT, IT STILL KIND OF LOOKS LIKE THE HOUSE THAT'S THERE IS JUST BEEN IMPROVED.
IT, IT IS BEEN KIND OF FLIP FLOP THE FOR ON MM-HMM
BUT THEN THE STAIRS ARE STILL GONNA THERE.
YEAH, THERE'S STILL GONNA BE OUTSIDE.
THAT'S WHERE IT'S TOWARDS THE FRONT DOOR.
I THINK, UM, SO I THINK WE SCALE AND MATERIAL AND PROPORTION PAINT COLOR ARE ALL THINGS YOU NEED TO KEEP IN MIND AND EVERYTHING THEY'VE SAID HERE, I THINK, JAMIE, WHAT DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD GET SOME DRAWINGS, GET SOME MORE ELEVATIONS AND START TALKING SPECIFICS.
YOU THINK THAT'S THE NEXT STEPS? OR HOW DO WE HELP BILL? I, SO WE'RE NOT GONNA PROVE, YOU KNOW, THIS OBVIOUSLY WE'LL HAVE TO TWEAK, BUT I WANT HIM TO MOVE FORWARD.
I'D LIKE TO, WELL, ONE THING YOU CONSIDER ALSO, IF YOU LOOK ON THE, THE RIGHT ELEVATION TO BOTTOM, I KNOW YOU WANT TO ADD ON AND, AND AT THAT POINT GO STRAIGHT BACK.
BUT FROM A STANDPOINT WHERE WE KNOW WHERE THE ADDITION IS, IF YOU PUSH THAT NEW FACE BACK A FOOT, SO THERE'S A LITTLE SEPARATION OF THAT G AND THEN THE WALL STARTS UP, IT KIND OF DEFINES AND DELINEATES WHERE THE NEW ADDITION TRULY IS.
SO CANNOT THAT WITH BRICK THOUGH? YEAH, BECAUSE THE BRICK ON THIS HOUSE, UM, IT'S IN THE PICTURES, THE, IT GOES AROUND THE TOP OF THE ROOF.
IT'S, IT'S GOES DOWN AND EVERY, EVERYTHING ELSE IS ACROSS.
AND SO IF WE TAKE AT THAT POINT IT STOPS AND THERE'S NO BRICK THAT GOES DOWN THIS WAY, THEN YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO TELL THAT IT'S A NEW CLARK, WELL GET A PAINT BRICK AND WHATNOT.
JUST TO ME IT GIVES YOU A NICE SHADOW ON THERE.
IT SEPARATES IT A LITTLE BIT MAY LOSE THAT.
SO WHETHER IT STEPS IN OR STEPS OUT A FOOT, EITHER ONE, EITHER WAY SOMETHING DELINE OFFSET.
SO YOU SEE THE ORIGINAL HOUSE AND THERE'S AN OFFSET TO THE NEW INSTEAD JUST IN THE SAME PLACE.
AND I MEAN THAT COULD BE FOUR INCHES, EIGHT INCHES A FOOT.
WELL THAT'S IN THE GUIDELINES TOO, RIGHT? RIGHT.
IS THAT OKAY IF I APPROACH, SIR, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS JUST SO WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING TO.
UH, 2 51 GERMAN COUNTY, BEND COVE.
WHAT DO YOU HAVE FOR US? UH, DO YOU HAVE A COPY OF
AJOUR, IT'S BEEN A LOT SINCE I'VE LOOKED AT IT.
SO GIMME A SECOND WILL WHERE THE UH, THE FOOT LOOKS LIKE IT WOULD TAKE PLACE WOULD BE IN THE CENTER OF THE MASTER BEDROOM, NOT THE CENTER, BE PART OF THE MASTER BEDROOM.
SO THAT'S ONE PROBLEM I SEE WITH IT.
AND THEN THE SIZE OF THE CLOSETS WOULD, UH, WOULD LOSE A FOOT TOO.
UH, ARE YOU OKAY WITH HAVING A SMALLER MASTER BEDROOM AND VA
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AS WE STATED UP HERE, YOU COULD ACTUALLY ADD YOU COULD EIGHT INCHES.YOU COULD GET HER MORE OF VA BEDROOM.
SO YOU WANT TO EXPAND IT RATHER THAN MAKE IT SMALLER.
WELL I THINK THERE JUST NEEDS, I THINK TO BE A SEPARATION THERE, YOU NEED TO BE ABLE TO SEE IT FROM THE STREET AND SAY THAT'S AN ADDICTION.
THAT ON AN OFFSET OF SOME TYPE.
IS THERE SOMETHING ELSE THAT WOULD DO THAT WITHOUT HAVING TO CHANGE THE PLAY? COULD YOU PUT A, PUT A AN OFFSET BRICK POST OR YEAH, BUT I, OUT THERE IT HAPPENS PLACE TO KEEP THE LINE IN THERE.
WE JUST PUT A VERTICAL BOARD THAT CERTIFI THIS IS, THAT'S WHAT I DID TO BUY.
SAME KIND, SAME KIND OF CONCEPT.
UM, BUT WITH THAT BEING ALL PLATFORM SIDING ALL THE WAY AROUND, YOU KNOW, THE VERTICAL ENTRY, BAM, HERE WE THAT YEP.
WE TALKED ABOUT, WE TALKED ABOUT SQUEEZING IN OR BRING IT OUT BECAUSE NOW LET'S KEEP IT IN LINE.
SO YOU, YOU SAW IT, SO THAT WOULD MIGHT BE AN OPTION YES, ABSOLUTELY.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF YOU WOULD EXPERIMENT WITH THE, WITH THE PAINT BEING LESS WHITE.
MORE CREAM COLORED OR LIKE THE OTHER HOUSE IN THE INDUSTRY, BUT BUT NOT NECESSARILY JUST LIKE THAT.
JUST SOMETHING OTHER THAN WHITE.
I THINK IT'S CALLED DUMPER CREAM CREAMY WANT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND, AND, AND, AND, AND, AND I'LL TELL YOU THE BACKGROUND FOR THAT.
'CAUSE I THINK IF YOU, AND, AND YOU MAY HAVE MENTIONED IT, YOU GO DOWN THE STREET WITH ALL THESE NEW HOUSES AND THEY'RE ALL WHITE WITH BLACK SHUTS.
IN 10 YEARS THERE'LL BE A NEW THING.
SO WE DON'T WANT TO CREATE THAT BY, UH, ALLOW THAT.
SO, AND I'M NOT SAYING YOURS WOULD LOOK, I LIKE THE, THE SMEAR YOU'RE PUTTING ON, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE IT JUST A LITTLE, A LITTLE DARKER OF SOME, SOME KIND JUST TO HAVE SOMETHING TO SHOW.
SO RICHNESS TO IT AND, AND I THINK LETTING BRICK READ THROUGH WOULD HELP, BUT DOVER'S VERY WHITE.
IF I COULD THROW OUT ONE OTHER THING THAT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED, YOU SAID IT WAS YOUR AGING IN PLACE.
I DON'T USE THOSE WORDS, BUT THAT'S WORDS I HEARD.
UH, IT'S NOT SHOWN THE SITE LAND, BUT YOU'VE ADDED A CARPORT TO THE BACK.
YOU'VE GOT ALMOST 30 FEET FROM THE CARPORT TO THE PROPERTY LINE.
AND UNLESS YOU DOUBLE THE WIDTH OF YOUR DRIVEWAY, YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO USE YOUR CARPORT.
AND SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO WIDEN.
WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS PLANS THAT ACTUALLY MATCH WHAT WOULD PROBABLY BE BUILT.
AND SO YOU NEED TO WIDEN THAT DRIVEWAY ALMOST TO THE PROPERTY LINE TO ALLOW YOU TO BE ABLE TO MANEUVER IN AND OUT YOUR CARPORT OR YOUR CARPORTS GONNA BE USELESS.
YOU MEAN TO MAKE THE WIDTH THE WIDTH? YEAH.
YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO TURN IN OUTTA THAT DRIVEWAY THE WAY IT SHOP.
WELL, WE'RE REALLY NOT GONNA USE THAT FOR A CARPORT, BUT WE'RE GONNA USE THAT FOR ENTERTAINMENT.
OKAY, SO YOU'RE GONNA JUST PARK OUTSIDE? THAT'S WHAT WE DO NOW.
WELL I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT AS A, AS A PHYSICAL SHOWS THIS ONE, OH, EXCUSE ME.
CAN I, UH, ASK YOU A QUESTION? OKAY.
IN MY 50 YEARS OF DOING THIS, UH, THE OBJECTIVE HAS ALWAYS BEEN TRYING TO KEEP THE ADDITION FROM LOOKING DIFFERENT THAN THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE.
WHAT'S THE LOGIC IN TRYING TO MAKE IT LOOK? IT'S IN THE GUIDELINES.
IT'S THE ORIGINAL GUIDELINES OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT COMMISSION OF
THEY STILL LOOK, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU'RE CHANGING ARCHITECTURE OR, OR MATERIALS OR TYPE.
IT'S JUST THAT DELINEATION OF SOME SORT.
THAT THIS WAS THE EXISTING, THIS IS THE ADDITION.
I'VE HAD A, I'VE GOT AN OLD HOUSE THAT'S GOT HORIZONTAL SIDING.
WHEN I ADDED ON, I HAD HORIZONTAL SIDING RIGHT WHERE THE OLD HOUSE ENDED.
I PUT A VERTICAL BOARD, A VERTICAL.
SO BESIDES THE PAINT LOOKING DIFFERENT, IT JUST DELINEATES WHERE YOU COULD WALK UP TO THE HOUSE AND YOU CAN TELL WHERE THE SEPARATE, I DON'T THINK IT'S TALKING ABOUT ARCHITECTURAL CHANGE BECAUSE NORMALLY YOU DO THAT.
IF YOU CAN'T MATCH THE BRICK, THEN YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY YOU PAINT THE BRICK.
SO THE WHOLE HOUSE, SOMETHING AS SMALL AS FOUR, SIX INCHES I THINK WOULD GET IT DONE.
IT IS MORE FOR A CASE OF SEEING SOMETHING, THE ORIGINAL HISTORIC BUILDING AND THAT HOUSE BEEN ADDED ON WHERE, WHAT I THINK WE ALL AGREE THE ORIGINAL HOUSE IS
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PRETTY UGLY.AND IT DOES AND IT DOES LOOK LIKE A DUPLEX.
I THINK IT WOULD PROBABLY TURN INTO DUPLEX AT ONE TIME.
SO GETTING RID OF THAT, UH, THAT SIDE ADDED SIDE ENTRY, UH, I THINK IS A DRASTIC IMPROVEMENT BY ITSELF.
AND EVERYBODY LIKES PORCHES, SO YOU CAN'T HAVE TOO MANY PORCHES THAT YOU DO.
I THINK WE'VE DONE WELL, JAMIE, WHAT CAN WE HELP THEM MOVE AHEAD? SHOULD WE HAVE SOME DRAWINGS? SHOULD THEY KEEP A CLOSE TALK WITH STAFF? I THINK STAFF UNDERSTANDS WHAT WE'RE ASKING.
UH, AND DRAW AND MAYBE REDRAW, BUT BY THE TIME WE SEE IT, IT SHOULD BE MORE ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT.
BUT I THINK EVERYONE KIND OF KNOWS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR AND I THINK IT'S ALL BEEN GOOD FOR ME.
I THINK I DO THINK A REVISED PLAN WOULD HELP RIGHT.
AIM TOWARDS A, A HISTORIC COMMISSION MEETING IN THE FUTURE.
AND DURING THAT PROCESS, IF WE SEE SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T QUITE MATCH WITH WHAT Y'ALL SAID, WE COULD PASS THAT ALONG.
PERSONALLY I'M OKAY WITH ANOTHER WORK SESSION TYPE.
I DON'T THINK ANYBODY HERE IS.
YOU GOTTA SAY FIX IT AND THAT'S IT.
I THINK WE CAN DO THIS AGAIN AND WE CAN DO IT AGAIN IF WE HAVE TO.
OTHER DRAWINGS COME IN, THE ROOF IS OKAY.
WELL I I, WE'RE NOT GONNA, WE'RE NOT GONNA VOTE ON ANYTHING SPECIFIC RIGHT NOW, BUT IN THE GENERAL, WHAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IS WHAT NEEDS TO BE KEPT IN MIND WITH THE DRAWINGS AND WE NEED TO START SOMEWHERE AND THE STAFF GIVES IT TO US, THEN WE START AND THEN WE START TALKING INDIVIDUALLY DETAILS.
DID WE DECIDE THAT I COULDN'T MOVE THAT DOOR OR NO? UH, A WORK SESSION THAT WE COULD DO? I THINK LIKE, WELL I'LL TALK WITH TERRY ABOUT, UM, SO WE DO IT KIND OF LIKE THIS AGAIN? I THINK SO I THINK WHAT CHAD'S SAYING IS YOU WANNA GET A CONCEPT WE BELIEVE YES IS CORRECT AND THEN WE'LL START DIVING DOWN INTO THE DETAILS.
BUT RIGHT NOW WE GOTTA GET A CONCEPT THAT IS APPROVABLE.
SO DID YOU ASK, COULD YOU MOVE THE DOOR? I WAS JUST ASKING ABOUT THE FRONT DOOR.
I PERSONALLY, I THINK IT'S FINE TO MOVE IT.
I DON'T THINK IT'S FINE TO PUT PORCH FROM ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER, BUT IT HAS ALSO LOOK AT THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
I'LL NEVER VOTE FOR ANY PROJECT THAT DOESN'T HAVE THE PROPER ALIGNMENT OF THE COLUMN.
JUST SO YOU ALL KNOW IT'LL NEVER, OKAY.
I THINK WE NEED AN IDEA OF WHERE TO START AND, AND WE CAN GO FROM THERE.
UM, WE CAN DO IT SIMILAR TO THE WAY WE DID THIS.
SO ARE WE REMOVING THE RIGHT SIDE PORCH? THAT'S UP TO YOU.
WE COME BACK TO THIS IF THAT'S RIGHT.
YEAH, I WOULD, I WOULD SAY THAT'S UP TO YOU.
I THINK IT WOULD MAKE FOR A SCALE THAT AS A COMMITTEE WE MIGHT SEE IT AND LIKE IT BETTER FOR, I'M JUST HEARING THE COMMENTS FROM MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS.
AS FAR AS THE COLUMN AND THE BEAM AS YOU CALL IT, ARE WE MOVING THE COLUMN, ADDING A COLUMN OR WE'LL LOOK AT THE LITTLE SKETCH.
I MEAN THAT, THAT'S JUST A SUGGESTION.
IT'S NOT SAYING IT'S APPROVED.
BUT IT, YOU'RE ADDING A COLUMN.
SO THE SCALE WOULD BE VERTICAL INSTEAD OF HORIZONTAL.
LIKE ARE WE, ARE WE MAKING A TWO WINDOW DORM ON THE RIGHT SIDE? THAT'S UP TO YOU TO COME BACK TO THIS.
LITERALLY I WAS SKETCHING IDEAS NOT MEANT TO BE MORE OF THAT POLICY THAT RIGHT.
I I DON'T THINK, WE DON'T WANT THIS, THE DRAWINGS FROM LAST MONTH TO BE STARTING FOR, WE WANT SOME NEW DRAWINGS WITH SOME IDEAS WE TALKED ABOUT AND THAT WILL BE OUR START AND THEN WE WILL WORK TOGETHER TO US GET THE GUIDELINES, SAY TO YOU, GET WHAT YOU WANT.
AND I DON'T MIND ME AS MANY TIMES AS YOU NEED TO.
THIS IS NOT SOMETHING, THIS IS NOT, THIS IS A BIG DEAL FOR, FOR ME.
I I DO THINK YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A BEAUTIFUL HOME ON A REALLY CHARMING STREET AND I WANNA ENCOURAGE YOU TO NOT BE DISCOURAGED BY THE COMMENTS WE'RE GIVING YOU BECAUSE I THINK WHAT YOU'LL FIND IS WHEN YOU GET THE END PRODUCT, YOU WILL BE, YOU'LL HAVE A LOT OF GOOD ADVICE FROM THIS COMMISSION.
RIGHT? I THINK I AGREE AND I PERSONALLY DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH, I I FULLY AGREE WITH THE MAINTENANCE ISSUES.
THAT'S WHY YOU REALLY HAVE GOOD PAINTER WHAT KIND OF PAINT YOU'RE USING.
YOU CAN REALLY MESS UP MOTOR ONCE AND BRICK, BUT I REALLY DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM FRESHENING UP YOUR HOUSE.
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OKAY.JAMIE, ME, YOU HAVE DEVELOPMENT UPDATES FOR US? YES.
I WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT UM, SOME, WHAT WE'VE DONE ADMINISTRATIVELY SINCE Y'ALL MET, MET LAST USUALLY.
SO THIS OUT THE END OF EACH MEETINGS A REPORT ON THAT.
NO DUE DEFENSES IN THIS COURT DISTRICT HAVE BEEN APPROVED.
YOU STILL HAVE TO, SO WELL MED SPA GRAND SIGN'S PENDING HASN'T BEEN APPROVED YET, BUT WE DID RECEIVE AN, AN INTERESTING, UH, REQUEST FOR 1 21 22, 1 24 MULBERRY.
UM, AS THEY'RE GETTING IN THERE AND TRYING TO PUT IN NEW TENANTS THAT REALIZE THE BUILDING NEEDS SOME STABILIZATION AND SO THEY'VE ASKED TO ADD CAST IRON, UH, TIES FOR THE BRICK.
SO THEY'RE PUTTING TIE RODS IN AND THESE WOULD BE VISIBLE ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING.
WE'RE TRYING TO DECIDE IF THIS IS AN ADMINISTRATIVE TYPE REVIEW OR SOMETHING NEEDS TO COME TO THE POOL COMMISSION.
SO WE'D LOVE YOUR THOUGHTS ON IT.
THE GUIDELINES DON'T REALLY SEEM TO ADDRESS IT VERY WELL.
THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE DOESN'T SEEM TO HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF STATEMENTS ABOUT IT OTHER THAN IF WHATEVER IS DONE, IT NEEDS TO BE, BE EASILY REVERSIBLE.
IS THAT THE FULL NUMBER? THEY'RE TALKING, THAT IS THE FULL NUMBER.
EACH, EACH ONE OF THOSE DOTS WOULD BE, UH, A STAR.
WE DON'T DO THIS IS THE STAR THAT'S REPRESENTED THERE.
THE PICTURE, IS THAT WHAT THEY'RE GONNA USE? THAT'S WHAT THEY GAVE TO US.
UH, BUT IF Y'ALL HAVE THOUGHTS, THERE MAY BE OTHER, OTHER THINGS THAT ARE NOT, NOT AS ORATE.
WELL, YOU HAVE TWO DIFFERENT BUILDINGS.
SO THEN YOU CHANGE 'EM FOR, FOR BAY THINK EXACTLY.
THEY MAKE ROUND ONES, SQUARE ONES.
SOME WOULD LOOK OLDER THAN THAT.
THE START FEELS LIKE WE'RE IN AUSTIN, TEXAS.
I IT'S ACTUALLY VERY MUCH A NORTHEASTERN DETAILED, BUT MAN THAT PUT A STAR ON ALL THREE BUILDINGS DAYS, I THINK IT'S IN THE SIGNAL.
DOES EVERYBODY NEED TO DO THAT NOW? YEAH, THAT'S A LOT.
UH, IF YOU HUNT FOR 'EM AT PLACES AND ALL, YOU CAN FIND OLD ONES THAT THEY CAN USE IT FOR PURPOSE COURSE.
COULD WE WANT 'EM TO ALL BE ONE STYLE? I LIKE Y'ALL BE DIFFERENT STYLES.
WE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT THE TENANTS ARE GONNA BE.
THAT COULD BE THREE DIFFERENT PEOPLE OR THAT COULD BE ONE.
THE BUILDINGS, YOU KNOW, SO RIGHT.
SO THESE, THOSE TWO WOULD BE THE SAME.
SO THESE ARE BUILDING AT THE SAME TIME.
SO PATRICIA'S, IF I'M READING THAT RIGHT, YEAH.
PATRICIA'S ESSENTIALLY COULD BE THE SAME STYLE AS WHAT WE'RE SAYING.
RIGHT? RAVEN AND LILY NEEDS TO BE A DIFFERENT AND NONE OF 'EM NEED TO BE THE STAR.
WHAT'S HAPPENING IS THE WALL'S GETTING PUSHED OUT.
THEY'RE GONNA PUT AN IRON ROD FROM THE BACK TO THE FRONT AND PULL IT IN.
I THINK THERE'S, I THINK THERE'S UH, IS THERE A FOUNDATION WORK OR SOMETHING I HEARD IS THAT THERE'S LOTS OF WORK GOING ON.
THEY'LL LOOK KIND OF COOL WHEN YOU GO TO CHARLESTON.
THEY'RE EVERYWHERE AND THEY'RE ALWAYS S SO, SO QUICK IDEA IF ROUND OR SQUARE FROM PATRICIA'S BUILDING, IF IT HAD THE STAR, YOU MAKE ALL THE STORAGE AROUND PATRICIA'S TWO BAGS.
IT'S LIKE ARE WE GONNA LIGHT THEM? YEAH, I AGREE.
I LIKE THAT MORE MUTED ON PATRICIA'S THAN, THAN SOMETHING TO SPRUCE UP SOME GOOD FEEDBACK.
BUT IT ALL NEEDS TO LOOK ANTIQUE.
THEY CAN GO ONLINE AND BUY EVERY ONE OF THESE ANTIQUE AND THEIR CAST IRON.
THEY'RE GONNA HOLD UP JUST LIKE YOU DON'T WANT A NICKEL FINISHED.
WHAT'S NEXT? OF COURSE YOU TAKE AND SEE I CAN PULL UP THE DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY MAP, BUT WE HAVEN'T SEEN A WHOLE LOT OF NEW ACTIVITY IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UM, WE HAVE SOME MOVING FORWARD WITH THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT OF THE TWO 15 SOUTH CENTER INBUILT BUILDING WHERE YOU APPROVE THE, THE BRICK LAST WEEK.
WHERE IS THE NEW COFFEE SHOP? THE OLD BANK RIGHT THERE? YEAH.
AND THEY'RE GONNA TEAR THAT BUILDING DOWN.
I WOULD'VE LOST MY HOUSE BETTING ON DUTCH BROTHERS COFFEE BEING THERE IN TWO MONTHS.
THEY'RE STACKED UP OUT TO THE STREET.
OH, I THOUGHT THAT THAT'S A HORRIBLE PLACE.
THIS NEW ONE IS GONNA HAVE THREE LANES.
I'M TELLING YOU THAT I WOULD'VE LOST OUT
WHATEVER YOU DO, DON'T SAY THAT.
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I WAS GONNA MENTION TO THE, UH, WE'VE BEEN APPROACHED BY THE FOLKS DOING THE HOTEL, UM, YEAH.ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE SQUARE.
AND THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A WORK SESSION WITH Y'ALL IN AUGUST.
WE DON'T HAVE A DATE NECESSARILY, BUT THEY, THEY BEEN PLAN WITH ARCHITECTURE AND SOME RENDERINGS AND HEIGHT AND SO WE NEED TO REALLY LOOK AT SCALE AND WHAT, WHAT CAN BE VISIBLE FROM WHERE 'CAUSE THEY'RE GONNA TRY TO PUSH THE ENVELOPE ON HEIGHTS.
WHO, WHO IS THE ARCHITECT? I THINK IT'S FLEMING, RIGHT? I THINK SCOTT FLEMING IS THE ARCHITECT, RIGHT? FOUR F WHATEVER.
I'M GLAD THAT YOU'RE THERE MAKING SOME PROGRESS.
YEAH, WE WE DEFINITELY HAVE ON THE CALENDAR.
WE STILL HAVE PORTION, PORTION THERE.
IT IT DOES, IT STILL HAS THE, THE VERSION I SAW STILL SHOWS THE, UM, THE ARMY SURPLUS STORE BEING RETAINED.
A SURFACE PARKING, BUT THEY'VE GOT THREE STORY FACADE, THEN A THEN A FOUR STORY.
BUT THEY WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU ABOUT MAYBE DOING EVEN SOMETHING MORE IN THE BACK THAT, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE AWARE THAT IF THEY ASK FOR ANYTHING MORE THAN THAT, IT'S GOTTA BE THEY ASK.
IT CAN'T DETRACT FROM THE SQUARE.
SO THAT WE'RE GONNA ASK THE WATER.
I GUESS FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS APPARATUS SO THEY WANT GO.
I HAVE SEEN A FIRE ACCESS ROAD.