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OKAY.[1 Call to order]
TO ORDER THE HISTORIC DISTRICT COMMISSION MEETING OF APRIL 23RD, 2026.CAN WE HAVE A QUICK ROLL CALL, PLEASE? COMMISSIONER WALKER? HERE.
UH, IF YOU COULD PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE, THE UNITED STATES MAYOR REPUBLIC FOR INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
IF ANYONE'S HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN THE PUBLIC COMMENTS SECTION, PLEASE FILL OUT THIS CARD.
ANYBODY SPEAK ON ANY, PLEASE FILL THIS OUT.
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TO MINUTES, CHAIR, UH, PEOPLE OR, UH, STAFF? WE GET TO LOOK OVER THE MINUTES.DO I HAVE A MOTION? MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS SUBMITTED.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
CAN I HAVE A ROLL CALL? COMMISSIONER LOONEY? YES.
UH, JAMIE, ARE THERE ANY CHANGES
[4 Approval of Agenda (additions/deletions)]
TO THE AGENDA? NO.MR. CHAIRMAN, THERE'S ONLY ONE ITEM ON THE AGENDA.
THERE'S NOTHING ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
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APPROVE THE FORMAL AGENDA? MOTION TO APPROVE THE FORMAL AGENDA.CAN I HAVE A ROLL CALL? COMMISSIONER COX? DID YOU SAY ME? YES.
UH, NOW I THINK WE HAVE ONE, UH, CITIZEN'S
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COMMENT.IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME UP AND SPEAK.
JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR US.
I'D JUST LIKE TO, UH, GIVE SOME COMMENT ON THE, THE PROJECT THAT YOU HAVE ON THE AGENDA TODAY.
UH, I OBVIOUSLY LIVE ON MILL STREET, WHICH IS JUST RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER FOR THIS.
MY WIFE AND I OWN THE QUO BUILDING AND WE'VE, WE'VE INVESTED A LOT ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE RAILROAD TRACKS.
JUST HOPING LIKE SOMETHING LIKE THIS WOULD COME ALONG.
I MEAN, IT'S BETTER THAN WE COULD HAVE HOPED FOR REALLY.
AND, UH, I GUESS JUST MY INPUT IS THAT AS OPPOSED TO HEARING THE NOT IN MY BACKYARD PEOPLE, I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THIS IN MY BACKYARD AND JUST HOPE THAT YOU CAN WORK WITH THE, WITH THE PROJECT AND, AND TO EVERYBODY'S SATISFACTION TO GET IT DONE.
OKAY, STAFF, ARE WE READY FOR THE PRESENTATION? YES, WE ARE.
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THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TODAY.THE PURPOSE OF THIS AGENDA ITEM IS FOR APPROVAL OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR ELEVATIONS ON A MIXED USE BUILDING LOCATED AT TWO 15 SOUTH CENTER STREET.
THE PROPERTY OWNER IS MACKLEMORE COMPANY REALTY AND THE APPLICANT IS MCCARTY GRANDBERRY ENGINEERING.
THIS PROPERTY IS WITHIN THE LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT AND IS INDIVIDUALLY LISTED ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES.
IT WAS CONSTRUCTED AROUND 1876 AND THEN REBUILT IN 1898 IN DECEMBER OF 2019.
THE A CC DENIED A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE FOR DEMOLITION FINDING THAT THE BUILDING STILL HAD HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE IN 2025.
A CERTIFICATE OF ECONOMIC HARDSHIP WAS CONDITIONALLY GRANTED BY THE HCC IN AUGUST TO DEMOLISH THE BUILDING.
AND THEN THE HCC GRANTED A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR A PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN ON JANUARY 22ND WITH THE EXCEPTIONS OF THE ELEVATIONS AND OTHER DETAILS.
THE HCC HELD A WORK SESSION ON FEBRUARY 26TH TO DISCUSS CHANGES TO THE ARCHITECTURAL ELEVATIONS AND AFTER THAT WORK SESSION, THOSE REVISED DRAWINGS WERE EMAILED TO HCC MEMBERS AND STAFF COLLECTED FEEDBACK AND SENT TO THE APPLICANT.
JEREMY, I'M GONNA NEED YOU TO ADVANCE THE SLIDE.
THE BUILDING HAS BEEN DESIGNED TO MATCH COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS AROUND THE TOWN SQUARE AND HAS A FOOTPRINT OF APPROXIMATELY 6,700 SQUARE FEET WITH A TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE JUST OVER 24,000 SQUARE FEET.
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PROPOSED ABOVE THE RETAIL AND OFFICE SPACES.AND ON YOUR SCREEN YOU CAN SEE THE MINIMUM SETBACKS FOR THIS BUILDING, WHICH THEY MEET ALL THE REQUIRED SETBACKS FOR A MIXED USE BUILDING IN THE CENTRAL BUSINESS ZONING DISTRICT.
SINCE THE HDC PACKET WAS RELEASED LAST WEEK, THE ARCHITECT HAS PROVIDED UPDATED RENDERINGS THAT WERE NOT IN YOUR PACKETS.
THESE NEW RENDERINGS AND ELEVATIONS, UH, ARE CONSIDERED EXHIBIT 10, AND I DO HAVE A COPY IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE A PAPER COPY OF THOSE AFTER DISCUSSION WITH THE ARCHITECT AND APPLICANT THIS MORNING.
THE ONLY CHANGES ARE THE BRICK COLOR AND THE ROOFTOP COVERING FOR THE OUTDOOR SEATING AREA.
THE PREVIOUSLY PROPOSED BRICKS, UM, HAVE BEEN DISCONTINUED AND THEREFORE THE APPLICANT HAD TO CHANGE THE BRICK AND THE BRICK COLORS ARE A BIT LIGHTER THAN WHAT WAS PRESENTED TO YOU IN THE STAFF REPORT.
AND I HAVE PROVIDED A COMPARISON SLIDE FOR THE BRICK PROPOSED AND THE STAFF REPORT AND THE BRICK SAMPLES WE RECEIVE TODAY.
TO COMPLY WITH THE HGC GUIDELINES, THE COLOR NEEDS TO BE COORDINATED AND COMPATIBLE WITH ADJACENT BUILDINGS AND IT SHOULD TAKE CUES FROM THE HISTORIC BUILDINGS, BUT SHOULD STILL READ AS A CONTEMPORARY BUILDING.
IF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT COMMISSION MEMBERS BELIEVE THE UPDATED RENDERINGS COMPLY WITH THE GUIDELINES, IT WILL BE HELPFUL FOR THE RECORD TO REFERENCE IN YOUR DISCUSSION WHICH ADJACENT BUILDINGS THESE MATERIALS ARE COORDINATED WITH.
YOU CAN KEEP GOING, JAMIE, SINCE THIS IS A NEW BUILDING AND NOT A EXISTING HISTORIC BUILDING, PAINTED BRICK WOULD ACTUALLY BE APPROPRIATE.
THIS TECHNIQUE OF PAINTED BRICK IS OFTEN USED FOR NEW INFIELD BUILDINGS TO MAKE THEM LOOK OLDER AND TO BLEND IN WITH THE ENVIRONMENT.
ON YOUR SCREEN, YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE ARE SEVERAL OFF WHITE OR BRIGHT WHITE BUILDING PAINTED BRICK BUILDINGS WITHIN THE SQUARE.
SOME OF THAT INCLUDES HAMMER, JEWELERS, DIRT AND DAISIES AND MAGNOLIA SOAP.
THE GROUND LEVEL DOORS AND WINDOWS WILL BE METAL AND PAINTED BLACK AS WELL AS THE SECOND AND THIRD FLOOR WINDOWS.
AND THE JULIET BALCONY WILL BE PAINTED.
BLACK WINDOWS WILL BE SINGLE HUNG WITH FOUR BY FOUR PATTERN LIGHT PATTERN.
AND THE DOUBLE PATIO DOORS WILL HAVE A SIX OVER SIX LIGHT PATTERN.
THE SHUTTERS WILL BE COMPOSITE AND ALSO PAINTED BLACK WITH SHUTTER DOGS AND WILL BE SIZED TO FIT HALF OF THE WINDOW WIDTH.
A BLACK IRON FENCE FOUR FEET TALL IS PLANNED AROUND THE GATED PARKING AND A DOG PARK.
DECORATIVE RAILING IS ALSO PROPOSED AT THE JULIET BALCONIES AND RAILING IS ALSO PROPOSED ON THE ROOFTOP AMENITY.
UM, AROUND AND AROUND THE ELEVATOR LOBBY.
ADDITIONAL BUILDING AND SITE CHAINS HAVE BEEN, CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE SINCE THE HCC MEETING IN JANUARY.
STAFF PREVIOUSLY RAISED CONCERNS ABOUT THE VISIBILITY OF THE DUMPSTER AND CLOSED FROM WHERE SOUTH STREET AND REQUIRE ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING FOR SCREENING THE DUMPSTER.
ORIENTATION REMAINS THE SAME, BUT IT HAS BEEN REDUCED IN SIZE AND SHIFTED TO THE EAST.
UM, ALSO SHOW A EIGHT FOOT TALL BRICK ENCLOSURE FOR THE DUMPSTER, WHICH DOES MATCH THE BUILDING WITH TWO GATES AND AN ACCESSIBLE EAST SIDE ENTRY.
A FENCE DOLL PARK HAS BEEN ADDED TO THE WEST OF THE DUMPSTER.
THE FOURTH FLOOR HAS BEEN REMOVED AND REPLACED WITH A 678 SQUARE FOOT ROOFTOP AMENITY AREA FOR OUTDOOR SEATING FOR RESIDENCE.
AND LASTLY, A CANOPY HAS BEEN ADDED OVER THE RESIDENT PARKING ALONG THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
STAFF DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR ARCHITECTURE AND SITE DETAILS WITH CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL THAT ARE LISTED IN EXHIBIT TWO.
THE SITE WILL BE CONSISTENT WITH THE LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES AND THE ZONING REGULATIONS.
THE NEXT STEPS FOR THE APPLICANT WOULD BE FOR WILL BE TO CONTINUE THE SITE PLAN PROCESS.
THEY DO HAVE TO GO THROUGH A DRT REVIEW AND THEY HAVE TO GO TO THE BMA FOR APPROVAL OF THE FINAL SITE PLAN AND DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
AND LASTLY, THEY WILL NEED APPROVAL OF A FINAL PLAT AND THEN DEMO PERMITS AND THEN BUILDING PERMITS.
THE EXAMPLE MOTION IS ON YOUR SCREEN AND THE APPLICANT IS IN AGREEMENT WITH ALL THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.
STAFF HAS ALSO ADDED TWO CONDITIONS TODAY, WHICH IS NINE AND 10.
THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION AND I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY.
AND THE APPLICANT ARCHITECT ARE ALSO HERE.
DO WE BEGIN, DO YOU HAVE A SLIDE OF THE COVERED PARKING ADDITION? UM, SEE IF I CAN GET TO IT.
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THERE IS AN ELEVATION HERE.IT DOESN'T, IT IS JUST A SIDE ELEVATION HERE YEAR.
SO IF YOU WOULD GO BACK TO THE SOUTH ELEVATION PLEASE.
I MEAN, PERSONALLY I THINK SOME COVERED PARKING ADDS TO THE VALUE OF THESE UNITS, BUT THE PARKING, IF I UNDERSTAND IT RIGHT, THE COVERED PARKING EXTENDS BEYOND THAT WEST SIDE OF THE SOUTH ELEVATION, WHICH IS NOT ILLUSTRATED ON THIS ELEVATION HERE.
AND UM, LET ME PULL UP THE SITE LAYOUT.
SO YOU CAN SEE IT ON THE, ON THE NORTH ELEVATION.
IT EXTENDS PAST THE BUILDING, BUT THEN IT'S NOT ILLUSTRATED ON THE STREET FOR AN ELEVATION RIGHT HERE.
YEAH, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
AND I PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE THE PLANS TO REFLECT EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING SO WE CAN VOTE ON WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY VOTING ON BE BUILT.
UM, IT LOOKS LIKE A VERY SIMPLE STEEL STRUCTURE, I WOULD ASSUME.
MIGHT BE NICE TO HAVE A, A LATTICE.
IT'S ALMOST LIKE IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE THERE, BUT IT IS THERE.
AND THE PROBLEM I'M HAVING WITH IT IS IT'S A SLOPE STRUCTURE, BUT THERE'S NOTHING FOR US TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE FROM THE STREET SIDE.
ANY MORE QUESTIONS? DID YOU GET YOUR, MR. COX, DID YOU GET YOUR QUESTION? YEAH, I, I, UH, I WOULD AGREE WITH CARSON'S COMMENTS.
I JUST DON'T SEE ENOUGH TO EVEN KNOW WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
I JUST, I DIDN'T KNOW WHETHER IT WAS COVERING THE WHOLE PARKING LOT OR A PORTION OF THE PARKING LOT AND WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE GUIDELINES SAY ABOUT, ABOUT THAT TYPE OF STRUCTURE.
I THINK IT ADDS VALUE TO THE, TO THE PATRONS OR TO THE, TO THE, UH, RESIDENTS.
BUT IT REALLY, THERE'S NOTHING TO SHOW US WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
MAY I RESPOND? UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS OF STAFF? I'LL GO AHEAD AND LET APPLICANTS COME UP IF WE'RE READY.
WOULD APPLICANT LIKE TO, UH, COME SPEAK OR A REPRESENTATIVE? LOOKS LIKE I'M UP NEXT.
UH, WE DID RECOGNIZE THAT, UH, MR. LOONEY AND IF WE COULD, WE WERE ABLE TO PRINT THE RENDERING THAT REFLECTS WHAT YOU WOULD SEE COMING DOWN SOUTH STREET SO THAT YOU CAN HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT TO EXPECT FROM THE CUPBOARD PARKING.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS SOMETHING WE COULD PASS AROUND.
SO IS IT AN ALUMINUM STRUCTURE? A CORRUGATED ALUMINUM? YEAH, IT'S JUST A SLIM ALUMINUM METAL FRAME.
JUST SO THAT IT DOESN'T COVERAGE, YOU KNOW, CONFLICT WITH THE ARCHITECTURE JUST FOR COLOR, THE BRONZE OR WHATEVER HAVE THE COVER.
WE'RE GONNA PAINT IT TO MATCH OUR FRAMES AND RAILS.
GET ONE WOULD SO TO UNDERSTAND IT CORRECTLY.
I MEAN THE, THE, IT'S NICE SEEING THAT ON THERE.
BUT THE STRUCTURE IS TALLER AT THE BUILDING OF COURSE.
AND IT SLOPES OUTWARD TO DRAIN.
SO WHEN IT EXTENDS BEYOND THE BUILDING, THE, THE PART THAT WOULD BE VERY VISUAL TO THE PUBLIC, THE REST OF IT, NO ONE'S EVER GONNA KNOW IT'S THERE.
IT'S A GREAT ADDITION BY THE WAY.
UH, THE SLOPE'S STILL GONNA BE THERE, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE IN THE RENDERING IT WAS ILLUSTRATED TO BE FLAT.
SO I'M WONDERING, IS THERE A WAY YOU COULD DISGUISE THE UTILITARIAN NATURE OF IT WITH MAYBE A, I'M JUST THROWING OUT IDEAS.
A GRIDDED IRON LATTICE WALL WHERE THAT COULD BE A GREEN WALL.
YOU COULD GROW IVY UP THAT WALL AS OPPOSED TO LOOKING LIKE SOMEONE'S CARPORT THAT EXTENDED OUT BEYOND THE BUILDING.
YOU'RE SAYING, I'M JUST THROWING IN IDEAS LIKE WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE SOUTH ELEVATION, HOW DO WE TREAT IF THERE IS A GATE THAT THE EXPOSED PART OF IT THAT'S VISIBLE TO THE PUBLIC.
BUT WE DO HAVE A GATE THERE, UM, TO ACCESS THE PARKING AREA.
SO POTENTIALLY WE COULD CONNECT THE GATE.
RIGHT NOW WE'VE KEPT IT LOW, A LOW PROFILE GATE ABOUT FOUR FEET AT THE START.
AND THEN AS IT SLOPES DOWN, IT GETS TO FIVE FEET.
IN SOME AREAS WERE STEPPING THE GATE ACROSS, I GUESS I'M TALKING ABOUT THE WHOLE DISTANCE FROM THE GROUND TO THE SURE.
SO I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS THAT WE COULD PROBABLY REVISIT AT LEAST HOW THE GATE COULD CONNECT TO THE TOP.
I DON'T KNOW IF THE GATE WOULD HELP US.
'CAUSE THE GATE IS GOING AWAY FROM THE VISUAL ASPECT OF SOUTH STREET.
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PARALLEL.I'M TALKING ABOUT THE LOOK AT A, THE FACE THAT WOULD FACE SOUTH STREET, EVEN THE WEST SIDE.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A MAN GATE.
I'M SORRY, RIGHT HERE MM-HMM
AND SO I COULD LOOK AT HOW TO CONNECT THAT VISUALLY.
YEAH, I MEAN IT MIGHT BE A NICE FEATURE TO HELP, UH, ALMOST SEND A SIGNAL OF PRI YOU KNOW, THIS IS PRIVATE VERSUS PUBLIC, BUT ALSO IT COULD BE A GREEN WALL THAT YOU COULD ACCENTUATE.
UH, YOUR HONOR, IT JUST, MAY I COME UP THERE TO SPEAK? PLEASE JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
UH, DAVID MACKLEMORE 5 3 0 QUAIL CREST DRIVE, CARVILLE, TENNESSEE.
I THINK IF WE, IF WE COULD INCORPORATE, I MEAN IF YOU'VE GOT A GATE THERE AND AT THE GATE, BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE ATTACHING THE, OUR THOUGHT IS TO ATTACH IT TO THE BUILDING, SO IT'S GONNA COME STRAIGHT OUT FROM THE BUILDING.
AND IF YOU DID HAVE SOME SORT OF IRON LATTICE WORK GOING AROUND THE GATE AND THE GATE WAS IN THE CENTER OF IT, THEN YOU COULD, YOU COULD PLANT SOME IVY THAT WOULD GO AROUND AND THAT WOULD CREATE VERY DEFINITELY A, A PRIVATE ENTRANCE THERE.
KIRSTEN, WOULD YOU, I MEAN TO ME IF YOU WOULD DO THAT, YOU PUT IT ON THE WEST SIDE OF THAT E EXACTLY.
IT JUST, UH, WOULD YOU LIKE TO PROCEED WITH THE PRESENTATION? EXCUSE ME? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
OR ARE YOU JUST HERE FOR QUESTIONS OR WHATEVER YOU NEED? OH NO, I, I WOULD LOVE TO FOLLOW UP.
WE'VE HAD A WONDERFUL WORK SESSION A COUPLE MONTHS AGO, SO IT'S GOOD TO SEE YOU ALL AGAIN.
AND I APPRECIATE THOSE WHO ARE ABLE TO GIVE MORE FEEDBACK AFTERWARDS.
UH, WE'VE SPENT SOME TIME SINCE REEVALUATING THE BRICK.
UM, AS YOU HEARD TODAY, ONE OF THE BRICKS THAT WE SHARED, UM, DURING THAT WORK SESSION WAS DISCONTINUED.
SO THE SILVER LINING OF THAT IS SEEING WHAT OTHER PAIRINGS WE COULD USE TO HELP COMMUNICATE OUR DESIGN.
UM, HEAR THE FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE RECEIVED FROM YOU ALL ABOUT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE NOT SO LIGHT OF A BRIGHT OF A BRICK, UM, HOW TO HAVE WARMER COLORS, HOW TO BLEND AND BE MORE COMPATIBLE WITH, UH, SOME OF THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES.
AND SO WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THE TWO BRICKS THAT WE'RE PROPOSING FOR APPROVAL TODAY.
AND I ALSO WANTED TO SHARE THE ORIGINAL, UH, MATERIAL BOARD SO THAT YOU COULD SEE THE TONAL CHANGE FROM OUR ORIGINAL BRICK THAT WAS MERGED IN THE BRIGHTER, THEN THE AVONDALE THAT WE'RE GOING WITH, UM, WHICH IS OVER HERE.
AND ORIGINALLY WE JUST HAD A SINGLE BRICK AS YOU KNOW, AND UH, SOME OF THE COMMENTS WERE TO KIND OF BREAK DOWN THE
AND SO WHEN WE HAD THE HARON BAY THAT WAS DISCONTINUED, WE FOUND THIS, UM, CHIMNEY ROCK BRICK THAT'S WITH HENRY BRICK THAT HAS, UH, MORE OF A RED BROWN TONE TO IT.
AND THERE'S SOME RED COMING THROUGH THE ADD-ON DALE THAT WE FEEL IS A REALLY GREAT ALTERNATIVE AND A NEW KIND OF APPROACH TO THE BRICK SELECTIONS FOR THE BUILDING.
AND UM, I'D BE HAPPY TO PASS THIS ALONG AS WELL.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE HAD A CHANCE TO YEAH, THAT'S, SEE AND TOUCH THE SAMPLES.
WOULD, WOULD YOU GRABBED THAT SAME THING PLUS I GOT ON THE SCREEN OVER THERE, A PICTURE TAKEN TODAY OF A MOCKUP PANEL, RIGHT? YEAH.
THAT'S WHY I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED.
'CAUSE IT DOESN'T, THAT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THE SAME BRICK.
AND IF I CAN SPEAK, IF I CAN THE SUN, I CAN SPEAK TO THE PICTURE THAT'S UP THERE.
NOW MASON DIDN'T DO WHAT HE WAS TASKED TO DO.
SO THERE'S SOME ISSUES WITH THE WRONG MORTAR IN THE LIGHTER BRICK AND THEN ALSO THE MORTAR.
SO THE MORTAR'S NOT GONNA COMPLETELY DRY PROBABLY UNTIL TUESDAY OR WEDNESDAY OF NEXT WEEK.
AND IT WILL LIGHTEN AS IT DRIES.
IT JUST LOOKS LIKE THAT WHITE BRICK IS SO MUCH LIGHTER THAN THE NEWER BRICK THAT YOU'RE, IS ON THAT BOARD.
IT'S ONE OF THE LOVELY QUALITIES OF BRICK IS THAT DIFFERENT LIGHTING, DIFFERENT MORTARS, IT REALLY TRANSLATES INTO DIFFERENT KIND OF, UM, COLORINGS AND TONAL QUALITIES.
SO THIS IS OUR FIRST ROUND WITH EXPLORING FINISHING AND, AND THE MORTAR TO COMPLIMENT THE BRICK AND TO REFLECT THE RENDERINGS THAT WE'RE APPROVING TONIGHT.
AND SO THIS, THERE'LL BE, YOU'LL LIKELY SEE A COUPLE ITERATIONS OF THIS AS WE KIND OF RESOLVE HOW TO USE THE BRICK AND KIND OF ENHANCE IT THE WAY THAT WE WANT IT TO BE ON THIS ELEVATION AND ON OUR DESIGN.
SO THIS LIGHT WHITE BRICK HERE, IS THAT BRICK THERE? YES.
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YOU GO, THERE'S A BIG STACK OF BRICK THAT WASN'T USED FOR THE MOCK-UP AND YOU'LL SEE THERE'S SOME THAT, THERE'S ALMOST LIKE A POWDER COATING THAT'S LIGHTER AND SO IT KIND OF BRUSHES OFF.SO SOME OF THE BRICK PIECES HAVE MORE RED COMING THROUGH THAN OTHERS.
THERE'S SOME VARIATION TO THE BRICK.
CAN WE PUT THAT BACK NEXT TO THE OTHER ONE SO WE CAN HAVE A SIDE BY SIDE? OH,
THAT RIGHT THERE IS NOT TOO BAD, RIGHT? SO IT APPEARS SIDE BY SIDE THAT THE NEW RENDERING GOT LIGHTER EVEN THOUGH THE BRICK CHANGED.
THE OVERALL WHOLE BUILDING AS A WHOLE IS LIGHTER THAN THE BUILDING ON THE RIGHT.
ONE OF THE COMMENTS WE RECEIVED FROM THE ORIGINAL PRESENTATION WAS THAT THE, THE MAPPING IMAGE DIDN'T QUITE REFLECT RIGHT, THE COLORING.
AND SO WE SPENT SOME TIME TRYING TO BE A LITTLE MORE ACCURATE.
WE WERE ABLE TO PULL THE MAPPING COLORS FROM THE MANUFACTURER'S WEBSITE SO THAT IT'S MORE ACCURATE OKAY.
BUT YOU'RE, SO MAYBE THAT OLD RENDERING IS NOT EXACTLY WHAT THE BRICK WOULD'VE LOOKED LIKE UP IN REAL LIFE.
IT WOULD'VE BEEN MUCH LIGHTER.
SO THE DIFFERENCE IN THE TWO WOULD'VE BEEN NEGLIGIBLE.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? I, YEAH.
I WOULD SAY THERE'S GONNA BE MORE RED AND MORE VARIATION WITH THIS BRICK.
THIS WAS A MORE UNIFORM LOOK, RIGHT? SO YES, IT WOULD'VE ALMOST REFLECTED THIS COLORING.
BUT THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE STORY, JAMIE, WE HAD A, I GOT TEXTED FROM SOMEBODY WHO'S WATCHING FROM HOME AND THEY SAID THAT THEY'RE HAVING TROUBLE HEARING, UM, AS, AS WE STEP AWAY FROM THE MICROPHONES.
SO I JUST WANTED, I THINK THE CLOSER WE GET TO THE MICROPHONE FOR THE DIALOGUE PART, THE MORE WE CAN, FOLKS THAT OWNED CAN WATCH AND WE'LL TRY TO PART THE RECORD.
WE CAN BRING 'EM TO YOU IF WE HAVE CERTAIN PUT MY RUNNING SHOES ON.
DID Y'ALL EVER LOOK AT GOING TO A MUCH DARKER BRICK, MUCH MORE RED, MUCH MORE BROWN IN, IN THOSE TONES.
AND WHAT WAS YOUR FINDINGS ON THAT? OUR FINDINGS? 'CAUSE WE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE LIGHT BRICK WAS ALWAYS OUR ORIGINAL DESIGN INTENT.
SO WE'VE GONE THROUGH EXTENSIVE PAIRINGS TO SEE, 'CAUSE WHAT WAS IMPORTANT TO US IS NOT HAVE A VERY STARK CONTRAST.
SO WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO ADD IN A SECONDARY BRICK WITH A LIGHT BRICK, YOU ARE SOMEWHAT LIMITED MM-HMM
AND I THOUGHT WITH THE CHIMNEY ROCK IT RIGHT NOW, IT APPEARS A LITTLE DARKER AS YOU CAN SEE THAN THE SAMPLE ON THE MOCK-UP AS WELL.
SO THE MOCKUP IS REALLY WHERE YOU'RE GONNA FINE TUNE HOW ALL THE FINISHING COMES TOGETHER TO ENSURE THAT IT'S REFLECTIVE OF OUR DESIGN.
BUT WHEN WE DID USE SOME OF THE REDDER DARKER, UH, BRICKS AND LOOKED AT IT ON RENDERING, YOU KIND OF LOST THE SHAPE, THE QUALITY, THE ELEGANCE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE FEELING VERY STRONGLY ABOUT AND LOVE, UH, WITH THIS DESIGN.
SO I'M, I'M ONE OPINION AND I'LL, I'M, I'M GONNA THROW IT OUT HERE TO YOU.
AND, UM, AND I WILL TELL YOU THERE'S A LOT MORE PEOPLE ON THIS PANEL THAT ARE TALENTED ARCHITECTS THAT HAVE DONE THIS FOR A LIVING.
AND I MADE A LIVING FOLLOWING THEIR INSTRUCTIONS.
SO, UM, I, I THINK THE WHITE BRICK, OR I'M CALLING IT WHITE, WHATEVER THE CREAM IS, IS TOO STARK IN CONTRAST TO THE, TO THE OTHER BRICK.
UM, AND I THINK, I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT AGAIN, IS MY OPINION.
UM, AND THAT'S, I JUST, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I'M AT ON IT.
I, I STILL THINK, AS I THOUGHT WE TALKED MORE ABOUT MORE RED TONES, MAYBE A DARKER BRICK, UM, IN OUR LAST MEETING.
I KNOW YOU GUYS HAD A WORK SESSION.
SO, UM, I DON'T HAVE ALL THE BACKGROUND FROM THAT WORK SESSION, BUT THAT'S JUST MY OPINION.
WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE ARE WRESTLING WITH ARE THE GUIDELINES THAT TELL US WHERE TO BE.
AND THEY'RE NOT RULES AND THEY'RE NOT, YOU HAVE TO DO THIS, YOU HAVE TO DO THAT.
AND SO WE INTERPRET THOSE OVER DIFFERENT PROJECTS AND ALL.
AND THE PROJECT AS A WHOLE IS SOMETHING I THINK EVERYONE'S FAVORABLE FOR.
AND SO WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, UH, I WAS PERSONALLY ON A COMMITTEE IN 2010 TALKING ABOUT DOING THIS ON A SIMILAR SPOT WITH COMMISSIONER COX.
UM, SO IT'S NOT THE PROJECT I THINK, I THINK WE'RE JUST, UH, THE GUIDELINES SAY
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WE MUST OR WE SHOULD MATCH THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR THE STREET.AND SO I, I GUESS I'M ASKING IS WHAT IS THE IMMEDIATE BUILDING WE IN IN NEAR, NOT REPLICATION, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
WHAT IMMEDIATE BUILDING ARE WE LOOKING AT AS OUR INSPIRATION? OUR INSPIRATION WAS THE TOWN SQUARE AND, BUT, BUT AS A WHOLE OR YEAH, WE PULLED FROM DIFFERENT BUILDINGS.
UH, PATRICIA'S BOUTIQUE WAS ONE OF THEM THAT WE REALLY LOVED AND WE TRIED TO BRING IN THE POSTS AND THE QUALITY OF THE BULK HEADS AND BRUISE.
BUT I'M TALKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT COLOR OF THE EXTERIOR.
SO THERE'S A COLLECTION OF BUILDINGS AROUND THIS SQUARE THAT HAD A TAN OR WHITE LIGHTER BRICK.
AND SO THERE WASN'T ONE BUILDING IN PARTICULAR.
IT WAS, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT ALIGNED WITH WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO FOR THIS SITE.
AND SO LOOKING AROUND THE SQUARE, WE ALSO LIKED THE VARIATION AROUND THE SQUARE.
AND SO SINCE THERE'S A RED BRICK BUILDING ACROSS THE STREET, WE WANTED TO SET OURSELVES APART IN SOME WAYS SO THAT ONCE THE WHOLE, YOU KNOW, CENTER STREET IS DEVELOPED, THERE'S GONNA BE THAT SAME DIVERSITY THAT YOU'RE SEEING AS YOU'RE ROCKING ALONG THE STREET.
AND I THINK THAT MAY BE PART OF THE ISSUE IS THE GUIDELINES TELL US TO BE SIMILAR, TO NOT STAND OUT FROM YOUR NEIGHBOR BUILDING.
AND THAT MAY BE OUR ISSUE IS COULD, COULD EXPAND BACK TO PATRICIA'S BUILDING PLEASE.
OH, I DIDN'T KNOW ALSO WHEN I WAS ON THE SITE TODAY, IF I MAY, MR. KELSEY, THE LIGHTER TAN BRICK THAT IS ACROSS THE STREET IS PRETTY CLOSELY ALIGNED WITH OUR CHIMNEY ROCK SELECTION.
AND SO IF WE'RE LOOKING AT SIMILARITIES, THAT'S GREAT.
I WOULD SAY THAT'S A STRONG, SO THE LIGHTER ONE IN THE MIDDLE THERE IS SIMILAR TO THE SCHOOL? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? THE REALLY NOT MM-HMM
AND SO WE ALSO LOOKED AT BEING COMPLIMENTARY TO THE TOWN SQUARE.
SO WE MIGHT, YOU KNOW, SETTING YOURSELF APART, BUT BEING COMPLIMENTARY.
UM, AND THEN TRUE TO ITS TIME, THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE FEEL WITH THE, YOU KNOW, STANDARDS WE ALIGN WELL WITH.
WELL, AND WE HAVE TWO A BRICK THAT COMES FROM THE MANUFACTURER LIKE THAT IS DIFFERENT THAN A BRICK THAT IS PAINTED.
SO IF YOU, IF YOU BUILD A BUILDING AND YOU PAINT, WE ARE, UM, JAMIE, IF YOU CAN YOU HELP ME, WE ARE IN DIFFERENT GUIDELINES THEN, UH, YOU'RE BRINGING IN A BRICK LIKE THIS, YOU DON'T GET THAT PAINTING.
A BRICK IS DIFFERENT ON A NEW STRUCTURE GUIDELINE WISE THAN A BRINGING A, AN EXISTING A MANUFACTURED BRICK WITH COLOR ON IT.
THOSE ARE TWO DIFFERENT, THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT ITEMS WE HAVE TO LOOK AT.
UM, SO THERE MAY BE MORE LEEWAY PAINTING A ANY COLOR BRICK, WHATEVER COLOR.
AND WE TALK ABOUT THE COLOR THAN WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HERE.
A VERY, VERY GOOD POINT IN, IN THAT REGARD.
IF WE COULD LOOK BACK AT PATRICIA'S EMPLOYMENT, AND I'M, I'M LOOKING AT YOUR SAMPLE BOARD.
THE NEW SAMPLE BOARD WAS JUST FOR, YOU CAN TAKE THE OTHER ONE DOWN AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, IF THAT'S YOUR NEW ONE.
AND I LOOK AT PATRICIA'S AND I'M LOOKING AT THE RIGHT SIDE.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE UPPER PARAPET WALL OF THE RIGHT SIDE, IT LOOKS VERY SIMILAR TO YOUR LIGHTER BRICK ON YOUR SAMPLE BOARD.
BUT THAT DOES NOT LOOK LIKE THE BRICK ON YOUR PHYSICAL SAMPLE.
AND, AND THERE'S A COUPLE ITEMS GOING ON.
THIS IS MUCH LIGHTER IN REALITY, BUT YOUR SAMPLE, WHEN I'M LOOKING OVER HERE, I'M GOING, MAN, THAT KINDA LOOKS LIKE PATRICIA'S.
AND I'M THINKING THAT'S PRETTY NICE.
AND THEN THAT'S WHAT A SAMPLE'S FOR THOUGH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE BEAUTY OF WHY WE DO A SAMPLE INSTEAD OF BUYING THE WHOLE LOT, WE DO A SAMPLE TO MAKE SURE WE'RE GETTING THAT.
AND WHAT I'M SEEING THERE IS NOT THAT, BUT WHAT I'M LOOKING AT HERE, I WOULD SAY, MAN, THIS LOOKS REALLY NICE.
SO MAYBE THE SAMPLE NEEDS TO BE WORKED ON.
THE OTHER ISSUE I'M SEEING IS THAT I DON'T READ TONS OF MORTAR JOINTS WHEN I LOOK AT PATRICIA'S, BUT WHEN I LOOK AT THE SAMPLE MM-HMM
ALL I SEE IS THE MORTAR JOINTS.
I KNOW IT'S FRESH AND I KNOW IT'S LIGHT, BUT I THINK THAT COULD BE ADDRESSED.
AND THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE WITH PAINTING.
IF YOU PAINTED RIGHT, YOU LOSE, YOU LOSE MORTAR JOINTS IF YOU PAINT.
AND IT'S, THAT'S WHAT MAKES PAINTING BRICK TOTALLY DIFFERENT THAN A MANUFACTURER BRICK.
IT'S A DIFFERENT THINGS WE HAVE TO LOOK AT.
BUT YOU'RE NOT SAYING PAINTING IS BETTER.
AND FOR, FOR THE RECORD, THE, THIS IS A FIRST MOCKUP ATTEMPT TO LOOK AT THE MORTAR, LOOK AT THE JOINTS, LOOK AT THE FINISHING OF THE BRICK.
THERE'S A LOT OF, UM, DIFFERENT WAYS TO
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SMEAR THE BRICK.YOU CAN DO A THINNER JOINT LINE MM-HMM
UM, THERE'S, AND SO WE'RE GONNA DO A SERIES OF MOCK-UPS.
WHAT WE'RE ASKING TONIGHT IS TO HAVE THE TWO BRICKS APPROVED AND BASED ON THE RENDERINGS.
AND THEN THROUGH THE MOCK-UP IS WHERE WE'RE GONNA GET THE REFINEMENT TO ENSURE THAT THE QUALITY THAT WE'RE PRESENTING TO YOU AND APPROVING TONIGHT IS WHAT YOU'LL GET AND WHAT WE WILL GET.
LOOK AT WHAT YOU HAVE ON THE BOARD AND WE APPROVE WHAT'S ON THE BOARD.
AND THEN YOU GO BUILD HOWEVER MANY SQUARE FOOT THIS BUILDING IS, AND YOU HAVE A FACADE ON ADJACENT TO THE HISTORIC TOWN SQUARE THAT WE DON'T LIKE.
IT'S HARD TO APPROVE IT WITHOUT KNOWING THAT YOU'RE NOT MAKING A MISTAKE.
THAT, THAT, THAT'S THE DILEMMA YOU PUT THE COMMISSION AT TONIGHT.
THERE IS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT THE STAFF HAS TO REVIEW THE MOCK-UP AND ENSURE THAT WHAT YOU APPROVE TONIGHT IS REFLECTED ON THE MOCKUP.
AND SO THAT IF YOU'RE APPROVING THIS BRICK AND THESE RENDERINGS, THEN THE MOCKUP, THERE'S GONNA BE A LAST REVIEW FROM STAFF TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE MEETING WHAT'S BEEN APPROVED.
AND MAYBE JAMIE CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT'S THAT'S ALL ACCURATE.
BUT IF I, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, MR. GIBBON, IF IF THEY BILL WHAT WAS APPROVED, IT'S HARD, WE'RE HARD PRESSED TO SAY NO AT THIS THAT LEVEL.
SO THERE MAY BE NEED TO, WE MIGHT NEED TO ADD A CONDITION THAT WE LOOP THE HT C IN TO, UH, FIELD VERIFY THE COLORS OR, OR, OR THERE MAY NEED TO BE SOME KIND OF MODIFICATION OF THE COLOR.
IF PATRICIA'S THE EAST SIDE OF PATRICIA'S IS THE, THE GOAL, MAYBE WE NEED TO REFERENCE THAT.
SO SOMETHING THAT WOULD LET US KNOW THAT SOME LANGUAGE THAT WOULD SAY THIS, WE NEED TO MOVE IN ANOTHER DIRECTION AND WE NEED TO HAVE THE HT C VERIFY THAT DIRECTION THAT WE'RE GOING IN.
THERE ARE BRICK PATTERN, UM, SAMPLES IN THE GUIDELINES.
UM, SHOULD WE BE LOOKING AT THOSE TO SEE WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT? OR WE, I JUST ASSUMED THAT WAS THE PATTERN, BUT NOW WE, I GUESS WE COULD CHANGE THE PATTERN.
DID YOU MEAN PATTERN OF THE THE WAY THE BREAK YEAH.
THE WHETHER'S THE COSING OR RIGHT, RIGHT.
I MEAN, THAT THAT CAN GET A WHOLE, ANOTHER CAN OF WORMS DOWN THERE.
BUT THE GUIDELINES ARE, THERE ARE PATTERNS THAT WE HAVE APPROVED.
UM, YOU TALKING ABOUT, THE BIG THING FOR ME IS THAT, YOU KNOW, COLOR SUBJECTIVE IS SUBJECTIVE AND, AND ANYTIME YOU TALK COLOR, EVERYBODY'S GONNA HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION.
UM, FOR ME IT'S MORE ABOUT THAT WITH THIS BEING IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND REALLY AS A FRONT DOOR, A PORTAL FROM THE SOUTH SIDE IN, IF YOU WILL, UM, I GREW UP IN CHICAGO, STUDIED IN ITALY AND EUROPE, USED TO SEEING VERY OLD BRICK BUILDINGS ALL OVER THE PLACE.
UM, I'VE TRIED, WHENEVER I'VE DONE STUFF ON THE SQUARE, I'VE TRIED TO REALLY HARKEN BACK TO THOSE DAYS KIND OF THING.
AND WHILE I LOVE WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND, AND, AND THE FACT THAT YOU GOT THE CORNICE AND SOME OF THE TABLETS ARE WORKING RIGHT, THE, THE TONE OF THE COLOR, IT JUST IS OFF FOR ME.
IT'S NOTHING AGAINST Y'ALL BECAUSE I, I DO LIKE WHAT IT'S, UM, SO EVEN THE, THE BUILD THE SCHOOL ACROSS THE STREET FROM ME TO ME IS TOO NEW.
THERE'S SOMETHING ABOUT IT THAT MM-HMM
YOU KNOW, I KNOW WHAT THE ARCHITECT WAS TRYING TO DO, BUT YOU KNOW, UNFORTUNATELY THAT ONE KIND OF GOT BY ME.
UM, SO WHAT I'M REALLY TRYING TO DO PERSONALLY FROM BEING ON THIS COMMITTEE IN THE LAST COUPLE YEARS WHERE PEOPLE COME IN AND SAY, HEY, THIS IS HISTORIC.
WELL, NOT REALLY, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S, WHAT'S TRULY HISTORIC, WE CAN GO DOWN THAT.
SO THIS IS JUST ONE OF THOSE CASES FOR ME THAT THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY HERE TO REALLY DO SOMETHING NICE.
AND I THINK MASSING AND, AND DETAILING IS GREAT ON IT LIKE THAT A LOT.
LOVE THE CURVE ON IT AND ALL THAT.
UM, IT'S JUST THE, THE COLOR THAT I'M HAVING AN ISSUE WITH, AND AGAIN, THAT'S IT'S PERSONAL PREFERENCE KIND OF THING.
SO NOTHING AGAINST THE DESIGN OF IT.
UM, CENTER STREET, POPLAR, MAIN STREET, SYCAMORE, OR ALL GATEWAY STREETS FROM THE PLANNED, UH, 2010 FOR THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
WHEN YOU ENTER THIS AREA, THE THIS, AND I LIKE THE BUILDING AND I APPRECIATE THE INVESTMENT.
WELL, WHEN YOU ENTER THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, THE BUILDINGS THAT YOU SEE NEED TO LOOK LIKE THAT YOU DON'T, AS, AS MR. CLARK CORRECTED ME.
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TO MODEL YOUR BUILDING AFTER THE SQUARE, BUT YOU HAVE TO MIMIC IT.YOU HAVE TO SAY, HEY, SOMETHING'S DIFFERENT FROM HERE ON AND THESE, THIS COLOR BRICK IS NOT IT.
AND IF YOU WANT TO TAKE PATRICIA'S THE TOP MAN TO JUSTIFY THE WHITE COLOR, IT WAS PAINTED AND SANDBLASTED OFF.
SO IF YOU TAKE THE WHOLE BUILDING, IT'S DISTRESSED AND IT LOOKS OLD LIKE THAT.
SO IF YOU COULD DO THAT, MIX IT UP WITH RED AND DISTRESSED BRICK.
I, I, YOU KNOW, THAT'D MAKE IT LOOK A LOT DIFFERENT.
BUT, BUT, BUT TO MIMIC THE RED BRICK AND THE WHITE BUILDINGS ARE, ARE MIXED IN.
THEY'RE NOT JUST ONE SOLID WHITE BUILDING.
THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE SCATTERED AROUND AND THEY WERE PAINTED BEFORE THE HISTORIC DISTRICT COMMISSION WAS FORMED.
I THINK IT, WHILE I LIKE THE BUILDING, I, I CANNOT SUPPORT IT WITHOUT A RED BRICK OF SOME FLAVOR.
YOU PICK ANY BUILDING ON THE SQUARE, THERE'S RED BRICK AND IT AND, AND USE YOUR ACCENTS AND ALL THAT.
YOU, YOU SEE SOMETHING THAT APPEARS TO BE WHEN YOU GET TO THE SQUARE, YOU KNOW THAT THAT, THAT, THAT TELLS YOU THAT YOU'RE THERE.
AND IT'S JUST, AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO DO THAT.
AND I DON'T THINK THE WHITE'S APPROPRIATE.
I GUESS I'M HEARING DIFFERENT THINGS FROM DIFFERENT MEMBERS HERE BECAUSE MR. COX, I HEAR FROM YOU, YOU WANT IT TO, TO BE SIMILAR TO THE SQUARE.
AND THEN SOMEONE ELSE SPOKE AND SAID, YOU CAN'T BE EXACTLY LIKE THE SQUARE.
AND WE KEEP HEARING RED BRICK, RED BRICK, RED BRICK.
I SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON THE SQUARE.
I'VE WALKED AROUND THE SQUARE IN CONJUNCTION TO THIS.
AND THERE IS NO MONOTONE COLOR ON THE SQUARE.
THERE'S BROWNS, THERE'S REDS, THERE'S WHITES, THERE'S ORANGES, THERE'S GRAYS, THERE'S LOTS OF DIFFERENT COLORS.
SOME OF IT'S PAINTED, SOME OF IT'S BRICK.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH OUR BUILDING LOOKING INTO A DIFFERENT COLOR BRICK.
HOWEVER, I REALLY LIKE THIS BROWN.
AND THIS IS TWO THIRDS OF THIS BUILDING IS GOING TO BE RESIDENTIAL, NOT COMMERCIAL.
AND THE ONE THIRD OF IT THAT IS GOING TO BE COMMERCIAL HOPEFULLY WILL BE OF SOME SORT OF RETAIL TYPE ESTABLISHMENT OTHER THAN OUR REAL ESTATE OFFICE.
THAT'S PRIMARILY THE REASON WE'VE FACED OUR REAL ESTATE OFFICE TO, TO SOUTH STREET AND THE OTHERS FACING CENTER STREET.
I PRIMARILY AM A RESIDENTIAL HOME BUILDER.
I DON'T VERY OFTEN PUT A RED BRICK ON THE HOUSES THAT WE BUILD BECAUSE IT'S OUTDATED AND IT DOESN'T APPEAL PRIMARILY TO THE FEMALE CUSTOMER.
THIS BROWN BRICK WITH THAT MORTAR IS FANTASTIC LOOKING.
IF WE NEED TO CHANGE THE OTHER BRICK, I THINK WE CAN DO THAT.
BUT I REALLY LIKE THIS BROWN BRICK AND I REALLY WOULD PREFER NOT TO BE FORCED IN A SITUATION TO BUILD A $4 MILLION BUILDING IN THE HISTORIC TOWN SQUARE AND PUT A RED BRICK ON IT BECAUSE THE HDC SAID I HAD TO HAVE A RED BRICK.
YOU DON'T THINK WE CAN TELL YOU THAT? I DIDN'T SAY THAT.
EVERYBODY'S GIVING THEIR OPINIONS.
SO YOURE SAYING I LIKE THE BROWN BRICK MUCH BETTER THAN THE RED BRICK.
MR. LOONEY, YOU DESIGN RESIDENTIAL, YOU DESIGN COMMERCIAL.
DO YOU FEEL LIKE RED BRICK IN A RESIDENTIAL, PRIMARILY TWO THIRDS RESIDENTIAL SETTING IS A TOP CHOICE OF YOURS? OR WOULD YOU GO WITH MORE OF A EARTH TONE? GOOD QUESTION AND I'M GONNA TRY TO BE A POLITICIAN ON MY ANSWER.
WELL, I WAS TRYING TO BE A POLITICIAN WITH MINE, BUT I OFFENDED SOMEBODY.
BUT I DIDN'T MEAN TO IF, IF, IF JAMIE COULD GO BACK TO THE, UH, OVERALL VIEW OF, OF DOWNTOWN.
AND I THINK THE, UH, THE ANSWER I'M GONNA HAVE IS WE'RE ALL USING WORDS, BUT WE'RE USING OUR EYES MAINLY.
AND I KNOW WHAT MR. COX MEANS WHEN HE SAYS RED BRICK,
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BUT WHEN I LOOK AT THE TOWN SQUARE, I DON'T MY EYES SEE A COUPLE RED BRICKS, BUT I SEE A LOT OF VARIATIONS OF TONES OF RED, TONES OF BROWN AND THEN THE PAINT'S THE PAINT.BUT UH, I MEAN THERE ARE A COUPLE, WHAT I WOULD SAY THAT'S A RED BRICK BUILDING.
THERE'S A COUPLE OF 'EM OR MANY OF 'EM THAT ARE MORE IN THE EARTHY TONE.
SO LET'S JUST CALL IT EARTH TONES.
WHEN I LOOK AT THE WHITE BRICK SAMPLE, TO ME THAT'S NOT AN EARTH TONE.
THE SAMPLE THAT WAS BUILT TODAY OR YESTERDAY, WHENEVER IT WAS.
WHEN I LOOK AT YOUR SAMPLE BOARD, I SEE EARTH TONES ON THE, ON THE TWO BRICKS.
I REALLY, PERSONALLY, I BELIEVE THAT WAS ONE LOT THAT MAY HAVE BEEN ON A SAMPLE THAT MAY HAVE BEEN DONE A YEAR AGO.
BUT THEY SENT YOU OUT WHAT THEY FIRED LAST MONTH AND IT'S A DIFFERENT COLOR.
THAT, I MEAN WE MIGHT BE SURPRISED IF WE TAKE THAT BOARD AND HOLD IT UP TO YOUR BRICK SAMPLE, BUT THEY DON'T LOOK LIKE THE SAME BRICK.
UH, THAT RIGHT THERE IS PRETTY STARK AND YOU CAN TELL IT IT'S STARK WHEN YOU COMPARE IT TO THE NEWER BUILDING BEHIND IT, THE NEWER BUILDING BEHIND IT, THE LIGHT TONE IS A FAIR AMOUNT WARMER THAN THIS NEW SAMPLE THAT YOU HAVE.
AND SO IT IS THE WHITE, WHITE, WHITE THAT I THINK IS AFFECTING EVERYBODY IN A NEGATIVE WAY.
AND IF WE COULD GET MORE OF AN EARTH TONE, AN EARTH TONE IS MUCH MORE APPEALING TO THE GENERAL POPULATION.
TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, FLAT OUT, YES IT IS THEN, THEN A RED BRICK TODAY WOULD BE CONSIDERED LIKE, WELL THEY WERE BOLD.
THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED BOLD TO DO A RED BRICK BUILDING.
IT'S NOT A, IT'S HASN'T BEEN POPULAR FOR SOME TIME.
BUT LEMME TELL YOU MY, ALSO MY PERSONAL OPINION IS I THINK PEOPLE ARE JUST ABOUT SICK OF WHITE, WHITE, WHITE, WHITE, WHITE.
THE JOKE IS THE LAST 10 YEARS I'VE SAID IS WHAT COLOR WHITE IS YOUR NEW HOUSE.
AND, AND I'M SEEING BLACK SEEING A LOT OF PEOPLE MOVING TOWARD EARTH TONES AS OPPOSED TO WHITE.
AND I DO BELIEVE, BELIEVE IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS WE'RE GONNA SEE A LOT OF EARTH TONES.
COULD I ASK YOUR OPINION OF THE BROWN BRICK? PERSONALLY? I THINK IT'S FINE.
BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE, I LIKE THE, IT BLENDS WITH THE SQUARE.
WHICH, WHICH, WHICH ONE ARE YOU CALLING BROWN? AND I'VE GOT LOOKING AT NEW REVIEWED AND NEW RENDERING.
AND THE NEW RENDERING IS LIGHTER THAN THE, THAN THE OLD LOWER THE, THE LOWER SECTION.
THE, THAT'S WHAT I'M CALLING BROWN, SIR DAVID.
THE OTHER PART OF THAT, IT HASN'T BEEN WASHED, RIGHT? I I CAN'T, THIS WAS BUILT YESTERDAY.
SO YOU REALLY CAN'T SEE THE TRUE COLOR OF THE BRICK 'CAUSE IT'S GOT A 'CAUSE IT'S GOT, IT NEEDS TO BE WASHED NO UNDER TO, TO FIONA'S POINT.
THAT MAY MAY TONE DOWN SOME OF, SOME OF THE WHITE, BUT YEAH, BECAUSE THERE'S A POWDER ON IT.
UM, AND IT WAS JUST, IT'LL BURN OFF SOME OF THE, THE MORTARS WHEN IT, WHEN THEY WASH IT.
I, I THINK WE, MOST OF US UP HERE PROBABLY UNDERSTAND THAT.
LET ME JUST SAY, I JUST WANNA SAY SOMETHING TO, TO MAYBE I AGREE EXACTLY WHAT CARSON SAID.
I THINK WE'RE ALL SAYING WITH OUR EYES, I THINK WHEN WE SEE IT WITH OUR EYES WILL KNOW IT.
WHAT WE, WHAT WE SEE HERE WE KNOW IS NOT, IT IS WHAT WE'RE SAYING.
AND I AM IN A FULL AGREEMENT WITH THIS WHOLE COMMISSION THAT THIS WILL BE A GREAT DEVELOPMENT AND IT'S ONLY GONNA SPUR MORE DEVELOPMENT IN THE COMMISSION OR IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND WE WANNA SEE YOU GET IT.
WE'RE NOT, I'M NOT STANDING HERE RIGHT NOW ARGUING WITH YOU.
I, I'M, I LIKE COLLECTIVE THOUGHT.
I LIKE GETTING DIFFERENT PEOPLE'S OPINIONS AND I LIKE COMING TO THE BEST CONSENSUS THAT CAN POSSIBLY COME TO, THAT'S THE REASON I WAS, THE WHOLE POINT OF ME COMING UP HERE WAS TO ASK YOUR OPINION OF, OF WHAT I'M CALLING THE BROWN BRICK.
THE, THE, I WAS SURPRISED WHEN I SAW THE, I DON'T EVEN LIKE CALLING IT WHITE BRICK, BUT LET'S FACE IT, IT LOOKS LIKE WHITE BRICK.
MM-HMM
AND I THINK IF WE COULD FIND A COMPLIMENTARY BRICK TO GO WITH THE BROWN BRICK, WE COULD HAVE SOMETHING THAT EVERYONE WOULD LIKE.
I, AND IF WE CAN FIND A REDDISH BRICK, I'D BE FINE WITH THAT.
I MEAN, I'M NOT A BRICK EXPERT, BUT, BUT WE CAN GET IN TOUCH WITH PEOPLE.
BUT MY MAIN QUESTION WAS DOES THE BOARD LIKE THE BROWN BRICK? SHOW ME THE BROWN BRICK ON YOUR RENDERING.
I WOULD LIKE TO ADD ALSO WITH WE LOOKING WITH OUR EYES.
I KNOW THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT WHERE ON THE BUILDING THE, THE MOCKUP IS MICROPHONE A LITTLE DISTRACTING FROM THIS HEARING.
THOSE ARE THE COME OVER TO THE, TO THE MICROPHONE.
BUT IF YOU TAKE THAT, WANTED TO ADD A LITTLE BIT OF COLOR TO WHAT USE DAVID MACKLEMORE WAS SAYING.
WHICH IS THAT THE MOCKUP WAS JUST LAID YESTERDAY.
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THAT'S THE START OF THE NEXT PROCESS.WHAT WE'RE ASKING OF YOU IS TO LOOK AT THIS BOARD, LOOK AT THESE SAMPLES, WE CAN LOOK AT THE LOTS, WE CAN ENSURE THAT THIS IS THE FINAL PRODUCT, BUT THIS IS WHAT WE'RE BRINGING TO THE COMMISSION TONIGHT FOR APPROVAL.
SO IF YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, WE ARE SAYING THINGS WITH WORDS, LOOKING WITH OUR EYES, WE'RE ASKING FOR THIS TO BE APPROVED.
AND THEN LET US GET THROUGH THE MOCKUP PROCESS.
'CAUSE THAT'S GONNA TAKE A FEW ITERATIONS.
UH, I'M LOOKING AT A 3 31 RENDERING, REVIEWED RENDERING.
AND THEN THERE'S ONE UNDER, IT SAYS NEW RENDERING.
I, WHETHER WE'VE GOT THAT SLIDE OR NOT.
THE, THE THE ONE ON MARCH 31ST, THE BROWN IS DARKER.
THAN THE NEW MM-HMM
THE REASON WE DID THAT IS WE WANTED TO REDUCE THE CONTRAST.
I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO DO TONAL CHANGE AND WE'RE NOT TRYING TO HAVE A WHITE BUILDING, BUT WE WOULD LIKE IT TO BE EARTHY WITH SLIGHT TONAL CHANGES BETWEEN THE HINGE POINT, THE BOOKENDS DEFINING THE ARTICULATION ALONG THE STREET FOR THAT PEDESTRIAN SCALE.
WHEN WE'RE, WHEN WE PICKED THE TWO NEW BRICKS, THEY WERE CLOSER IN TONAL QUALITY THAN THE ORIGINAL TWO, WHICH YOU SEE ABOVE.
NOW THAT BROWN BRICK THAT YOU SEE ABOVE THAT'S BEEN DISCONTINUED.
SO THAT INVITED US TO KIND OF REVISIT THE ORIGINAL BIRCH.
AND WE FOUND AVONDALE, WHICH I LOVE.
WHAT MR. LOONEY SAID IS, HAS KIND OF SOME OF THE ELEMENTS OF PATRICIA'S BOUTIQUE THAT WE LOVE.
I MEAN WE WANT CHARACTER ON OUR BUILDING.
UM, WE WANT IT TO COMPLIMENT THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
IT'S IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND WE LIKE THE ELEGANCE OF CHARACTER AND VARIATION.
UM, THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING.
WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THESE TWO BRICK SELECTIONS.
AND THEN AS WE WORK THROUGH THE MOCKUP WASH IT, UM, WE'LL BE ABLE TO, TO GET IT TO THIS.
WOULD YOU MIND DOING US A FAVOR, SIR? AND THAT'S TO HOLD THAT BOARD UP NEXT TO THAT PHOTOGRAPH.
I DROVE BY THE SITE IN, IN, I WAS COMING TO THE MEETING AND THAT PHOTOGRAPH LOOKS EXACTLY LIKE WHAT I SAW.
BUT THE SAMPLES ON YOUR BOARD, WHICH I PERSONALLY THINK ARE PRETTY, UH, PRETTY NICE.
THEY DON'T LOOK LIKE WHAT'S BUILT.
AND I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT, THAT I THINK THE SAMPLE IS LACKING GREATLY COMPARED TO WHAT'S BEING SUBMITTED ON THE BOARD.
IT, THE SAMPLE ON THE BOARD, I WOULD BE HARD PRESSED NOT TO SAY GO FORWARD, SHOW US EXACTLY THAT, BUT IT, BUT TO THE VARIATIONS, EVEN THE DARKER BROWN BRICK LOOKS A LOT DARKER ON YOUR SAMPLE BOARD THAN WHAT'S ACTUALLY THERE.
AND SO I'M WONDERING IF YOU TOOK THE DARK BRICK THAT'S ON YOUR SAMPLE BOARD AND ADDED IT WITH THE BRICK, THE, THE DARKER BRICK THAT'S ON THE SAMPLE AND PUT THOSE TWO TOGETHER, WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE.
THAT'S WHERE MY HEAD KIND OF GOES.
AND IT WOULD LOOK KINDA LIKE PATRICIA'S, THE, THE, SO THESE WERE ACTUALLY ON STITE TODAY.
WE GRABBED THEM BEFORE WE GOT HERE.
SO MAYBE IT WOULD HELP TO PUT THESE UP ADJACENT.
THEY DEFINITELY, WHEN YOU'RE CLOSE UP, THINGS GET A LOT DARKER AND A LOT LESS WHITE.
BUT THESE WERE THE EXACT BRICKS THAT WE USED TO DO THAT MOCKUP.
SO MAYBE IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO PASS THEM AROUND.
IS IT BECAUSE OF THE BROWN? YOU KNOW, MR. MCLEMORE, YOU SAID SOMETHING THAT I TOTALLY AGREE WITH.
IF YOU'RE BUILDING A SUBDIVISION YEAH.
RED BRICK RIGHT NOW IS NOT THE FAD, NOT IN YOU GET EARTH TONES WHITE, WHATEVER IT IS.
AND YOU ALSO SAID THAT RED ON THE SQUARE IS OUTDATED FOR HOME BUILDING.
AND THAT'S WHY IT'S SPECIAL ON THE SQUARE.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR BUILDING WHILE IT YOU, WHILE IT'S GOING TO BE RESIDENTIAL, IT COULD BE OFFICES, IT COULD BE A HOSPITAL.
YOU JUST HAPPEN TO BE USING IT FOR A RESIDENTIAL CIRCLE.
AND I'M NOT FUSSING AT YOU, BUT COMPARING YOUR BUILDING TO WHAT YOU WOULD BUILD IN A SUBDIVISION IS NOT, NOT A FAIR COMPARISON TO ME.
THAT'S WHAT I THINK WE NEED TO, THIS NEEDS TO BE, YOU KNOW, I'M STILL, I'M TELLING YOU, YOU JUST PICK ANY RED BRICK UP THERE, BROWN BRICK, WHATEVER, AND HAVE IT, HAVE IT.
KEEP YOUR BROWN BRICK AND AND REPLACE THE LIGHTER COLOR.
AND I'M, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE OF COURSE, BUT I, I'M, THAT'S WHERE I AM.
I JUST, I JUST THINK THE BRICK THAT YOU SHOULD, IT LOOKS A LITTLE MORE
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MONOTONE THAN WHAT I'M HOLDING MY HAND.AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT EVERY, HE'S SEEN, YOU KNOW, CARSON'S SEEN THE BROWN UNDERTONES IN THE SAMPLE, BUT WE DON'T SEE IT IN THE MOCKUP.
SO IT, IT'S, IT'S PRETTY SHOCKING.
WHICH I'M GLAD YOU DID IT BECAUSE I DON'T THINK YOU WANT THAT EITHER.
AND THE MORTAR GOES A LONG WAY ALSO.
SO RIGHT NOW WITH THE MORTAR SELECTIONS, THAT COULD ENHANCE THE LIGHTNESS OF THE WHITE BRICK.
SO THERE'S, LIKE WE MENTIONED EARLIER, DIFFERENT WAYS THAT WE CAN TONE IT DOWN AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ACHIEVING WHAT WE'RE ASKING TO APPROVE TONIGHT, WHICH IS THE TWO BRICK SELECTIONS.
AND THEN WE CAN WORK WITH THE MORTAR TO ACHIEVE THIS.
CAN I ASK A QUESTION? HANG ON.
IT'S VERY HARD FOR STAFF TO, IF WE JUST SAY YES, GO AHEAD AND THEN WE DON'T LIKE IT, IT'S VERY HARD TO STAFF TO STOP IT AFTER THAT.
IT HAS TO BE STOPPED WITH US HERE.
WE CAN'T SAY WE, WE HOPE THE BEST GO AHEAD AND THEN WE DON'T LIKE IT AND HAVE STAFF SEND IT BACK TO US.
SO, UM, SAYING WE CAN APPROVE THIS NOW AND NOT CHANGE IT.
IF WE APPROVE IT NOW, IT'D BE HARDER CHANGE LATER.
SO WE HAVE TO WORK THROUGH IT RIGHT NOW.
I THINK IT'D BE VERY DIFFICULT FOR STAFF TO CHANGE AFTER THE FACT.
JAMIE, THE MOTION THAT WAS ON YOUR SCREEN REFERENCES THOSE BRICK COLORS.
UH, AND WE HAD TO GO AND WE WERE IN LITIGATION.
I THINK THE ATTORNEYS WOULD SAY, WE GOTTA GIVE 'EM, WELL WHAT YOU APPROVED BECAUSE IT'S A SPECIFIC BRICK COLOR MANUFACTURER.
NOT THAT WE'RE GONNA LITIGATE, BUT WE HAVE TO WATCH OUT FOR STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO YOU'RE SAYING IF WE APPROVE IT, WE OUGHT TO GIVE 'EM A BRICK COLOR.
HE'S SAYING DON'T APPROVE IT BECAUSE IF YOU WENT TO A LITIGATION THEN YOU WOULD BE HELD TO IT.
THAT WE WOULD, THEY WOULD HAVE A RIGHT TO TO IT.
IS IT THAT, THAT MIGHT BE ANOTHER WAY TO SAY IT IS, IS IS WE'RE GIVING THEM THE RIGHT TO BUILD THAT BRICK AND YOU'D LOSE THE RIGHT TO, TO SAY IT AGAIN BECAUSE I'M NOT, I MISSED SOMETHING IN THE INTERPRET.
IF WE APPROVE IT, WE'RE, WE'RE GIVING UP THE RIGHT TO CHANGE IT.
'CAUSE IT'S A VERY SPECIFIC BRICK MANUFACTURER OF COLOR, SIZE, EVERYTHING.
AND WE'RE SAYING YES, WE CAN'T GO BACK WITH STAFF AND SAY NO, GO BACK ONE, UM, TO THE NEXT STEPS, I THINK IS WHAT I'M HEARING.
GOTTA HAVE A DIFFERENT COLOR BRICK COME IN TO SHOW US THE RENDERING TO APPROVE THAT PARTICULAR COLOR.
IT'S JUST SIMPLE AS THAT TO ME.
MR. CHAIR, LET ME, CAN I INTERJECT? SURE, GO AHEAD.
YOU WERE, YOU HAD SOMETHING TO SAY.
I THINK AT THIS POINT, LOOKING AT THE WHATEVER THE SAMPLE BOARDS, LOOKING AT THE LITTLE BRICKS THERE, IT'S LIKE WHEN I BUILD A HOUSE, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THE LITTLE BLOCK OF BRICK AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA BUILD A HOUSE, YOU REALLY NEED TO SEE IT ON THE HOUSE.
WHY DON'T WE TABLE THIS? LET ME EITHER, I'LL BUILD SOME MOCKUPS OF THIS APPROPRIATELY, LET 'EM DRY.
WE'LL TRY TO FIND A DIFFERENT COLOR BRICK BESIDES A WHITE BRICK.
AND WOULD IT BE APPROPRIATE FOR YOU FOR THE HDC TO GO AND LOOK AT THESE MOCKUPS AND I CAN GET 'EM BUILT IN THE NEXT COUPLE WEEKS.
THAT WAY THEY CAN HAVE TO, I CAN HAVE IT WASHED THOUGH.
I HAVE TIME TO DRY AND THEN WE CAN ALL PHYSICALLY LOOK AT BRICK RATHER THAN SAMPLES AND RENDERINGS AND WE CAN DECIDE WE LIKE THIS COMBO OR WE'D LIKE THIS AND MOVE FORWARD.
I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S GONNA BE COMFORTABLE HERE UNTIL WE ACTUALLY PHYSICALLY SEE SOMETHING.
I'LL GO ANYWHERE AND MEET ANYTIME THAT I COULD POSSIBLY MEET WITH.
I I THINK YOU MADE A GOOD POINT THAT INSTEAD OF LOOKING AT A RENDERING RIGHT, WE SEE THE MOCKUP, SEE THE ACTUAL, AND IT MAY CONFIGURATION, IT WON'T, IT WON'T BE AS FANCY AS THAT.
BUT AS LONG AS THIS MAY BE A COLUMN THAT HAS DIFFERENT COLORS YES.
AND THE COMBINATIONS JAMIE IS, AND THERE MAY BE FIVE OF'EM YOU TO LET THEM CONTINUE FORWARD WITHOUT SEEING THAT MOCK UP SO THEY CAN GO AHEAD TO THE NEXT PHASE.
AND, AND GET THEIR DRAWINGS GOING AND SO THAT WE'RE NOT HINDERING THEM IN A TIMELINE OR ANYTHING.
AND THAT, THAT'S WHAT I WAS ABOUT TO INTERJECT A WHILE AGO.
UM, BECAUSE I THINK WE ALL LIKE THE MASSING, THE, THE LOOK OF IT.
SI THOUGHT WE DID THAT THE LAST TIME WE MET.
I KNOW WE LET 'EM GO CONTINUE THROUGH THE PROCESS.
WE WERE GONNA HAVE A WORK SESSION TO APPROVE THE BRICK LATER.
SO LAST TIME IT EVERY, THE ARCHITECTURE AND SITE DETAILS LIKE THE CANOPIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT WAS PULLED OUT SO YOU COULD LET THEM GO FORWARD TONIGHT ON PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING EXCEPT THE BRICK SELECTION.
OH, SO I ALSO, CAN I MAKE A COMMENT TOO, UH, THE NEW RENDERING WHEN WE MET IN THE CONFERENCE ROOM AND WENT THROUGH THE CONTRAST THAT WE WERE ASKING, IT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S REALLY GETTING TONED DOWN WITH THESE NEW BRICKS THAT YOU'RE ALMOST, IT'S MORE OF A MONOTONE LOOK.
AND I LIKE THAT IT HAD A LITTLE MORE DEFINITION WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE DARKER AND THE LIGHTER, THE DARKER AND THE LIGHTER.
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JUST, I JUST WANT TO THROW THAT OUT THERE.WELL, THAT, THAT'S GONNA BE IMPORTANT.
BECAUSE WE ACTUALLY HAD THE INTERPRETATION, OR MS. FIONA SAID TODAY ON THE PHONE THAT SHE WAS THINKING THE HDC DIDN'T LIKE THE CONTRAST OF THE, THE GIFTED ACADEMY.
SO IN MY MIND I WAS THINKING THAT WE WOULD FIND EITHER A BROWN OR A RED BRICK TO GO WITH THAT BROWN BRICK THAT WOULD BE LESS OF A CONTRAST.
SO IF Y'ALL WOULD GIVE ME SOME DIRECTION, IF YOU WANT CONTRAST.
WELL THAT'S, I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT WE DISCUSSED IN THE CONFERENCE ROOM WAS TO NOT HAVE IT ALL BE THE SAME COLOR BRICK.
AND I'M, I'M JUST ASKING YEAH, I COULD IS THAT, IS THAT EVERYBODY'S CONSENSUS THAT YOU YOU'D WANT MORE CONTRAST THAN LESS CONTRAST? I THINK IT LOOKS BETTER IF YOU HAVE, LET'S SAY SOME TYPE OF RED AND THEN YOU HAVE YOUR BROWN THAT CONTRASTS WHAT YOU'VE GOT.
I GUESS SIMILAR TO THE GIFTED ACADEMY.
THAT'S, IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THAT'S WHY WE'RE HAVING SO MUCH TROUBLE WITH, WITH YOUR DEVELOPMENT IS BECAUSE WE APPROVED THE GIFTED ACADEMY AND MAYBE WE DIDN'T DO WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH YOU ENOUGH.
I'M JUST MESSING WITH YOU FROM WHAT I'M HEARING.
IS THAT WE, WITH THE MOCKUP EXERCISE NEXT, WE COULD DO A HIGHER CONTRAST MOCKUP.
WE COULD DO A ONE WITH MORE TONAL CHANGES.
THERE'S, THERE'S A, A WHOLE SLEW OF OPTIONS AND I THINK WE'RE AT LEAST IN THE SANDBOX OF PICKING THE BRICKS WITHIN THE SAME TONES.
NOW WE JUST HAVE TO DO THE MOCKUP TO SEE HOW IT TRANSLATES IN REAL LIFE WITH THE MORTAR.
AND, AND THEN I THINK WE'RE IN GOOD SHAPE.
JAMIE, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND GOING BACK TO PATRICIA'S BUILDING SINCE IT'S BEEN MENTIONED SO MANY TIMES, THAT'S WHERE YOU HAD A LOT OF
I'M GONNA GO BACK TO PATRICIA'S AS FAR AS TONAL VALUE.
AND I SEE, UH, I SUPPOSE ONE, ONE INDIVIDUAL COULD CALL THE LEFT SIDE RED.
IT'S JUST A CLAY COLOR EARTH TONE.
THE RIGHT SIDE WAS PAINTED, WHICH WAS WASHED.
AND WHEN I LOOK AT YOUR BOARD, YOU COULD SAY WHETHER IT'S THE ORANGE YOU EARTH OR IT'S THE BROWN TAN AND THE RIGHT SIDE WOULD BE YOUR LIGHT COLOR.
AND IF WE WERE IN THAT RANGE OF CONTRAST, WOULD THAT MAKE THE BOARD HAPPY? MM-HMM
AND SO THAT'S NOT A STARK CONTRAST.
THEY, THEY COMPLI BLEND, THEY COMPLIMENT EACH OTHER, BUT THE WHITE DOESN'T READ AS STARK.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE YOUR BOARD, YOUR ACTUAL PHYSICAL SAMPLES AND ACTUALLY THE BRICKS YOU BROUGHT AROUND, THEY LOOK GOOD TOGETHER.
BUT WHEN THEY GO GET ON SITE, IT LOOKS LIKE BROWN AND PURE WHITE.
AND OUR DESIGN INTENT IS, THAT'S WHY WE ALL DO SAMPLE WALLS AND THAT'S WHY YOU GOTTA KEEP WORKING ON SAMPLES TO GET IT RIGHT.
SO IT'S A GREAT SUGGESTION AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE THAT.
THE ONE THING I THINK WE, WE DO NEED TO DO IS VOTE ON THE, UH, ADDITIONAL SCREENING FOR THE CANOPY THAT EXTENDS BEYOND THE FACE, THE WEST FACE.
AND THEN HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT THEY CAN CONTINUE PROGRESSING IN THE DESIGN AND AND WHATNOT SO THIS DOESN'T BACK 'EM UP ANOTHER MONTH OR TWO OR SOMETHING.
SO I WOULD SUGGEST STRIKING 10 OR REWORDING 10 TO SAY, UM, THE BRICK COLORS ARE NOT BEING SELECTED AT THIS TIME TO BE DETERMINED.
THERE WILL BE A ONSITE MEETING.
WE, WE CAN HOLD ONSITE MEETINGS AT THE HT C AND WE'LL JUST ALL GET OUT THERE AND, AND LOOK AT IT AND, AND TRY TO, TRY TO HAVE A DISCUSSION.
UM, OR, OR YOU DON'T HAVE TO PUT THAT INTO YOUR MOTION.
YOU COULD, WE COULD FIGURE OUT A WAY FOR YOU TO LOOK AT IT INDIVIDUALLY.
UM, YOU KNOW, ONE OTHER THOUGHT AT THE PLEASURE OF THE COMMISSION, I WOULDN'T SPEND THE MONEY TO BUILD A BIG MOCK UP.
IF YOU COULD PUT JUST A FLAT WALL OF THIS COLOR AND THE, THE OTHER COLOR JUST SIDE BY SIDE WHERE YOU COULD SEE 'EM MM-HMM
THAT I DON'T, I'D HATE TO SEE YOU SPEND YOUR MONEY TWO OR THREE TIMES DOING SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
DAVID, I, I WANNA SAY ONE THING.
I'M, I ONLY REPRESENT ONE PERSON HERE, BUT I WILL FOLLOW WHAT CARSON SAID IN THE WAY THAT HE JUST DESCRIBED PATRICIA'S TO YOU AND WHAT HE'S TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH.
YOU WOULD HAVE MY VOTE AND WE COULD, AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS THE WAY THAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT THE BRICKS COMPLIMENT IN THEIR CONTRAST RATHER THAN BEING, SO IF YOU FOLLOW THAT DIRECTION, I'M ON BOARD.
NO, I, I WOULD GO ALONG WITH THAT.
I, I WAS JUST, I WAS JUST DESCRIBING THE TWO PICTURES THAT JUST LOOKED LIKE THE TONAL DIFFERENCE WENT DOWN QUITE A BIT.
AND I'M JUST TRYING TO GIVE YOU SOME COHESIVE FEEDBACK SO THAT YOU ARE LIKE, YOU DON'T HAVE, YOU CAN NARROW YOUR, WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH.
AND I, I'M JUST SAYING FOR ME.
AND IT SOUNDS LIKE FOR HER AND FOR CARSON, YOU'RE STARTING
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TO GET, YOU'RE STARTING TO BUILD A, AND I CAN'T SPEAK FOR, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER MEMBERS ON THE BOARD, BUT IF YOU START TO GET A CONTRAST AT SOME POINT OF, OF LIKE THIS, YOU'RE, I THINK YOU'RE GONNA PROBABLY GO RIGHT THROUGH MM-HMMWOULD, WOULD THAT BE ACCEPTABLE TO YOU, MR. COX? I WANT SEE IT FIRST, BUT I, I KIND OF AGREE WITH YOU.
IF IT, IT, IT, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU SAY THAT THOUGH, THE TOP OF THE BUILDING IS WHITE, SO I'M NOT GOING TO SAY THAT.
IF IT'S, IF IT'S THE CONTRAST IS LIKE THE TOP ANSWER TO THAT BUILDING, IF IT'S THE BOTTOM PART OF IT OR THE LEFT SIDE, THEN YEAH, THAT'S ALL.
I'M NOT TRYING TO BE HARD TO GET ALONG WITH.
I JUST THINK IT NEEDS TO BE MORE SIMILAR TO THE, THE MAJORITY OF WHAT THE BUILDINGS ARE ON THE SQUARE.
AND TO BE CLEAR ON THE SCREENING OF THE COVERED PARKING, IT WAS MENTIONED THAT YOU WANTED IT ON THE FRONT AND THEN SOMEBODY MENTIONED TURNING IT AND RUNNING DOWN THE SIDE.
SO YOU WANT THE FRONT AND, AND I THINK THAT'S FINE.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE IAN PICKED THAT ABOVE, RIGHT.
I THINK HE'S JUST TRYING TO SOFTEN IT.
I MEAN, I THINK IT'S JUST TRYING TO, INSTEAD OF SEEING A HARD EDGE, HE'S JUST TRYING TO SOFTEN IT WITH SOME, WITH A, A LANDSCAPE.
AND I, I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THAT AND I THINK THAT'S THE RIGHT APPROACH, BUT I THINK IT ACTUALLY DRAWS ATTENTION TO THE FACT THAT EXCLUSIVITY THERE FOR THOSE PARTIES ACTUALLY GIVES YOU A LITTLE ENCLOSURE FEELING TO THAT.
AND I DID WANNA SAY THAT WE'VE APPRECIATED ALL OF YOUR FEEDBACK TO DATE BECAUSE WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT HOW THE DESIGN HAS DEVELOPED AND IT'S BEEN IN, THANKS TO YOUR FEEDBACK IN MANY WAYS, AND WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE, WE WANT TONAL VARIATION, NOT HIGH CONTRAST.
SO WE'RE ALL GOING TOWARDS THE SAME GOAL FOR THIS BRICK.
I'M VERY CONFIDENT THAT WE'LL GET THERE AND AGREE THAT SOMETIMES A MOCKUP IS WHAT'S NEEDED, RIGHT.
TO GET, GIVE YOU THE ASSURANCE THAT YOU NEED IN ORDER TO MAKE THE VOTE.
I THINK I'VE SOMETHING WORKING HARD.
SHOULD WE HEAR FROM YOU? HEY, LET'S TRY IT.
WE'RE GONNA HEAR FROM MR. WALKER.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, UM, UH, FOR, TO APPROVE THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR ARCHITECTURE AND SITE DETAILS FOR MIXED USE BUILDING AT 20 OR TWO 15 SOUTH CENTER STREET, SUBJECT TO THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
ONE THROUGH, UH, NINE AS NOTED, UH, OR IS SUBMITTED WITH NUMBER 10 BEING THAT THE, THE SIDES OF THE, THE WEST AND SOUTH SIDE OF THE COVERED PARKING STRUCTURE IS INFILLED WITH A LATTICE OR GREEN WALL TYPE FACADE.
AND NUMBER 11, THAT THE BRICK IS TO BE DETERMINED VIA ONSITE SAMPLE PANELS, UH, TO BETTER EMULATE PATRICIA'S FACADE OF THE, UM, OF THE EXISTING TOWN SQUARE.
WE DIDN'T LOOK AT THE MATERIAL, THE COVERING ON THE ROOF, IS IT SIMILAR TO THE PARKING COVERING? YES.
BRONZE, METAL, ALUMINUM, WHATEVER.
IF WE HAVE A MOTION, A SECOND, CAN WE HAVE A ROLL CALL? COMMISSIONER DEAN? YES.
CAN, CAN I ASK MR. COX A QUESTION? CAN YOU PULL UP THE ROOF, SIR? WERE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE ELEVATOR SHAFT OR ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE ROOF? UH, YOU PUT A ROOF COVERING OVER TALKING ABOUT THE GAZEBO THING OUT FROM THE OH, YES, SIR.
THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
JAMIE, DO YOU HAVE OTHER BUSINESS FOR US THEN WANNA BRIEF YOU A LITTLE BIT ON
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SOME PENDING APPLICATIONS? UH, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A FENCE PERMIT APPLICATION THAT'S COME IN ON NORTH ROLLETTE.THEY WANT, IT'S IN THE REAR YARD.
WE DO THINK THE FENCE IS VISIBLE.
IT'S A SIX FOOT FENCE, BUT THEY WANNA HAVE VINYL AS THE FENCE TYPE, SO THAT COULD COME TO YOU.
THAT'S NOT A MATERIAL THAT WE CAN APPROVE ADMINISTRATIVELY.
SO YOU MIGHT SEE THAT AT YOUR NEXT MEETING.
UH, RELATED TO SIGNS, WE'RE STILL WAITING ON SOME REVISIONS FOR THE SOWELL MED SPA ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE FORMER GUSS.
AND THEN WE DID RECEIVE SIGN PERMITS FOR THE STAMP BUILDING, MULTI-TENANT PANELS, SOME, SOME TRADE OUTS THERE THAT THOSE SIGN PERMITS ARE PENDING.
NO OTHER EXTERIOR ALTERATIONS.
I WILL SKIP ADDRESS ON NORTH ETTE FOR THE FENCE.
OH, DO YOU REMEMBER THE ADDRESS?
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IS, IT MIGHT BE EASIER.I I DON'T THINK IT'S, UM, HAMPTON'S IN-LAWS AND I DON'T THINK IT'S WHERE DIANA USED TO LIVE.
I I THINK IT'S IN BETWEEN THERE IF THAT HELPS.
WE'RE GETTING, WE'RE GETTING REAL CARVILLE.
I KNOW WHO I KNOW WHERE, I KNOW WHERE IT IS.
UH, SO ON THE DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY MAP, I'LL, I'LL FORGO THAT.
WE'RE ABOUT TO DO AN UPDATE TOMORROW, SO JUST CHECK, CHECK OUT THAT ONLINE.
UH, BUT I DON'T THINK WE'VE HAD ANY NEW CASES IN THE, THE DOWNTOWN AREA, BUT WE ARE EXPECTING, UH, A REZONING.
Y'ALL HAD A, A RE REQUEST OR NON-VOTING DISCUSSION ON SOUTH STREET THE OTHER DAY ABOUT A PROPERTY ON SOUTH STREET, A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.
AND I KNOW THEY'VE GOTTEN AT LEAST FOUR.
THIS IS FOR THE MCCARTY OR MCCLARTY, UH, FAMILY.
AND THEY'VE PUT TOGETHER FOUR NEIGHBORS THAT WANNA REZONED A TN.
AND SO I THINK YOU'LL SEE SOME MOVEMENT ON THAT SOON.
SCOTT BARANSKI'S WORKING ON THAT.
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THE LAST THING I WAS GONNA MENTION SOME TRAINING OPPORTUNITIES.IF ANY OF Y'ALL HAVE SIGNED UP FOR THE, THE PRESERVATION CAMP FOR MAY, MAY ONE, UH, SOME OF THE STAFF ARE GOING AND WE COULD CARPOOL.
IF, IF YOU'RE INTERESTED AND ON THE COMP PLAN, YOU'LL, YOU, YOU WOULD'VE RECEIVED AN EMAIL EARLIER TODAY FROM ME THAT WOULD HAVE SOME INFORMATION ABOUT THE, THE CHARETTE WEEK THAT'S COMING UP.
AND SPECIFIC OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE HC CAN PLUG IN AND SEE MORE ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON.
IT, IT SHOULD BE A REALLY FUN TIME.
UM, AND THEN AT YOUR MAY MEETING, WE DO HAVE AT LEAST ONE CASE 2 43 COLLEGE STREET.
UM, IT'S KIND OF A, A TRADITIONAL, PLAIN, TRADITIONAL HOUSE, JUST BARELY OVER 50.
SO IT'S, IT WASN'T STUDIED IN OUR LAST ROUND OF, OF STUDIES, UH, BUT WE DON'T BELIEVE IT'S ELIGIBLE FOR THE NATIONAL REGISTER, UH, BASED ON WHAT, WHAT'S AROUND IT AND HOW SOME OF THE OTHERS HAVE BEEN SURVEYED.
BUT THEY, THEY HAVE A, A PORCH EDITION, SOME DORMERS THAT THEY WANT TO ADD.
SO WE'LL, WE'LL BE BRINGING THAT FORWARD.
AND WE MIGHT HAVE ANOTHER, ANOTHER CASE OR TWO AS WELL, INCLUDING THAT VINYL FENCE.
WHAT IS GOING ON ON THE ALLEY BEHIND MY OFFICE SHOULD BE DONE.
WHAT, WHAT IS OH NO, YOUR SIDE.
YOU'RE TALKING, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE PARKING LOT OR THE ACTUAL ALLEY RIGHT BY YOU? WELL, THE ONE DIRECT WELL, THAT WE USE AS A PARKING LOT THAT HOOKS TO THE FIRE STATION.
NO, I WAS, I THOUGHT YOU MEANT BEHIND BILL.
UH, THERE'S, THEY, THEY'VE OPENED THAT UP.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GETTING READY TO BE A THROUGHWAY OR AN ALLEYWAY CONNECTING.
UH, 'CAUSE IT ALIGNS RIGHT WITH THE, THE ALLEYWAY BEHIND CHAD AND THE HIGHLANDER OR THE, NOW THE, UH, MAZE IF INTO THAT PARKING LOT.
SO DID THEY PAVE THAT OUT? IT NOT, YEAH.
BUT NOT MINE, BUT THEY'VE FIRE HAS, OR SOMEBODY WITH FIRE.
THE CITY HAS PUT A PAD BASICALLY BETWEEN THE TWO, THE FIRE STATION IN MY OFFICE, AND IT'S JUST OPENED UP.
THERE'S BEEN A NUMBER OF TRUCKS BACK THERE DIGGING AROUND AND DOING THINGS.
SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT IN THE OFFICE OF CORVIN HAMPTONS BUILDING ANYMORE, CORRECT? YEAH, I'M, I'M ON MAIN STREET ONE 20 MAIN.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT'S GOING ON, BUT WE CAN LOOK INTO IT.
COULD, COULD BE THE FIRE IS DOING SOMETHING OR, OR MAYBE THAT THE WATER PLANT IS DOING SOMETHING.
YEAH, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE FIXING TO CUT THAT THROUGH THERE.
WELL, THE, THE LITTLE SHED IS DOWN, SO THAT'S GONE.
YEAH, BUT THERE'S A, THERE'S A, THERE WAS A HALF A MILLION DOLLAR WATER TANK UNDERGROUND RIGHT THERE.
OR HOWEVER, A MILLION GALLON DIGGING INTO THE NORTHWEST OR THE NORTHEAST CORNER THERE.
SO YEAH, WE'LL HAVE TO SEE WHAT THAT IS.
I HAVEN'T NOTICED YET, SO I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ELSE.
JAMIE, IF I CAN ASK A QUE ON THE, UH, THE CHARETTE WEEK.
IF THE BOARD, IF THIS BOARD WERE TO ATTEND ONE OR TWO OF THOSE MEETINGS OR TIMES, WHICH ONE WOULD YOU RECOMMEND? OR IS THERE A RECOMMENDATION? OH, ON THE, THE SCHEDULE THERE, THERE'S A SPEAKER.
UH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A GUY NAMED TRISTAN CAMPBELL.
HE'S GONNA COME IN AND HE'S, HE, HE'LL BE A REALLY DYNAMIC SPEAKER.
THAT'LL BE THAT TUESDAY NIGHT.
UM, SO FROM LIKE SEVEN TO 8, 8 30 SHOULD BE A REALLY, REALLY GOOD OPPORTUNITY THERE.
SO THAT, THAT WOULD BE GOOD TO KIND OF GET, GET JAZZED UP.
BUT THE, THE BIG CLOSER IS THAT THURSDAY AT, I THINK SIX O'CLOCK 5, 5 30? YEAH.
UH, SO THAT IF YOU, IF YOU WANT TO COME TO ANYTHING, COME, COME TO THAT, SEE WHAT COMES OUT OF EVERYTHING.
UH, BUT THE INK WILL BE STARTING TO DRY BY THEN.
SO IF YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DID WHAT WE SAID THE SIX WE WOULD DO BACK IN 2010.
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YEAH.