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HERE.UM, EVERYBODY HAS HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO
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LOOK OVER YOUR MINUTES.ARE THERE ANY CHANGES OR ADDITIONS? SO IT WAS ONE THAT WAS EMAILED OUT.
UM, SO, UH, MAY WE HAVE A, UH, A ROLL CALL FOR A VOTE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES? YOU NEED A MOTION? MOTION.
MOTION HAVE BEEN PROVED AND SECONDED.
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AGENDA AS, AS YOU YOU'RE SEEN.DO WE HAVE ANY ADDITIONS OR DELETIONS TO THE AGENDA? NO, SIR.
THERE ARE ANY, UH, ADDITIONS OR DELETIONS TO THE AGENDA? OKAY.
UM, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA? I MOTION TO APPROVE.
I GUESS, UH, THE CITIZEN COMMENT, WE, WE HAVE ANY CITIZEN COMMENTS HERE? NOT WE'LL PROCEEDED.
UM, DO WE HAVE ANY CONSENT AGENDA? THERE'S NOTHING ON CONSENT.
ON A FORMAL AGENDA, UM, HAVE WE, DO WE HAVE ANY, UM, DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE FORMAL AGENDA? MOTION TO APPROVE.
THERE'S NO ITEMS ON THE FORMAL ITEMS OTHER THAN THIS.
I MEAN, IS THAT NOT CONSIDERED A NO, SIR.
I THINK IT'S UNDER OTHER BUSINESS.
UM, SO WE DON'T DO THE DEVELOPMENT UPDATES UNTIL THE END, DO WE? WE CAN SAY THAT TO YOU.
[9.a Case #260371 – 3370 South Houston Levee Road (AutoZone) – Review and discuss the proposed architecture for a 7,381-square foot nonresidential building on 1.39 acres located on the east side South Houston Levee Road, south of Winchester Boulevard.]
HAVE A, OUR, OUR AGENDA IS TO DO A DISCUSSION, A REVIEW AND DISCUSSION OF PROPOSED ARCHITECTURE FOR 7,381 SQUARE FOOT MINE, RATHER, BUILDING ON 1.39 PAPERS LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF SOUTHEASTERN ROAD, SOUTH OF WINCHESTER BOULEVARD.UM, DESIGN PROFESSIONAL R-D-S-L-L-C, JOSH BURNETT PD, APPLICANT AUTO ZONE DEVELOPMENT, LLC, WADE DAVIS, PROPERTY OWNER PARKWAY PROPERTIES, LLC AND PROJECT PLANNER DE MESA.
UM, DO WE HAVE, UM, A PRESENTATION FOR THE STAFF? YES, WE DO HAVE PRESENTATION FOR GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONER.
THE ALL ZONE IS BUILDING IN SECOND STORE ON THE EAST SIDE OF SOUTHEASTERN LIBRARY ROAD, SOUTH OF, ON THE EAST SIDE OF SOUTHEASTERN NE ROAD, SOUTH OF WINCHESTER BOULEVARD.
SO JOSH BURNETT IS REQUESTING THE RC FEEDBACK ON THE ELEVATIONS AND THE BUILDING MATERIALS.
SO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY PROPERTIES IS CURRENTLY VACANT AND IS OWN SCC SHOPPING CENTER CO.
AND IT IS SURROUNDED BY SEC ZONING DISTRICTS AND S TRAFFIC SUBMITTED NON NON-BINARY ALLEGATIONS FOR, UH, 7 7 300 SQUARE BUILDING AS PART OF THE CCP APPLICATION.
SO HERE'S A COLOR RENDERING SHOWING BRICK, BRICKSTONE AND HARDID AS PRIMARY MATERIALS FOR THE BUILDING.
THE, THIS ZONING AUDIENCE HAS SPECIFIC GUIDELINES ON EXTERIOR BUILDING MATERIALS FOR ALL NON-RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES AND ATTACHED RESIDENTIAL DWELLINGS.
SO AS SHOWN IN THIS TABLE, THE FIVE CEMENT BOARD IS GENERAL, GENERALLY APPROPRIATE FOR BOTH PRIMARY AND FOR OUR TRIM AND ACCENT, BUT NOT IN THIS CONTEXT, SINCE OTHER BUILDINGS IN THE AREA ARE ALMOST ALL GREAT.
SO IF YOU SEE THE HIGHLIGHTED FOOTNOTE IN, UM, 1 51 0.00 60, IT STATES NEW STRUCTURES SHALL BE COMPATIBLE WITH THEIR NEIGHBORS IN REGARD TO EXTERIOR BUILDING MATERIALS, PARTICULARLY WHEN ADJACENT STRUCTURES ARE SUBSTANTIALLY IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE DESIGN GUIDELINES.
SO, SO WHAT ARE THE ADJACENT BUILDINGS? SO THE CONVENIENCE STORE NORTH OF THE SIDE IS PRIMARILY BRICK AND STONE WITH DIFFERENT COLOR.
BRICK AS ACCESS TO THE SOUTH IS SONIC, WHICH IS ALSO
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A PREDOMINANTLY BRICK BUILDING WHERE E HAS CORNER ACROSS THIS, THE PROPERTY WEST SIDE OFAND THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF WINCHESTER NEW LE
SO THERE'S AN EXISTING AUTO PARTS STORE IN COPPER AVENUE THAT'S PREDOMINANTLY BRICK WITH SPA WINDOWS AND A FORMER AUTOZONE STORE IN GERMANTOWN ALSO HAD MOSTLY BRICK SIDE WITH SOME PAD SETS.
SO ADVANCED AUTO PARTS ON MARKET BOULEVARD IS CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND THE BUILDING WILL BE MOSTLY BRICK SPLIT FACE BLOCK AND SPAND WINDOWS TO BREAK UP THE FACADE.
SO AS YOU, UH, CONSIDER GIVING FEEDBACK, YOU MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING QUESTIONS.
SO GIVEN THE CONTEXT OF THE AREA, SHOULD BRICK BE USED ABOVE THE ENTRANCE INSTEAD OF OUR DECIDING AND SHOULD, UH, SPAN WINDOWS BE USED INSTEAD OF THE PROPOSED HAND LOAN BRICK PATTERN TO BREAK UP THE SIDE? YES.
AND I THINK THAT THE ARE HERE AND IF THEY'RE BRINGING THE SAMPLES.
DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF BEFORE THIS SECTION? I WOULD DO NEED TO RECUSE MYSELF BECAUSE I'M ACTUALLY WORKING WITH
LET'S THAT QUESTION FOR STAFF.
HAS THE STAFF HAVE RECOMMENDATION ON THIS OR WE HAVE NOT FOR RECOMMENDATIONS BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT, NOT THE WE HAVE SAMPLE.
I DON'T, YEAH, JUST WHATEVER THE CHAIR'S READY.
ANY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR, FOR STAFF? ONE OTHER, ONE THING I DO WANT TO ASK, UM, IS, ARE THE COLORS, I KNOW THE AUTOZONE COLORS ARE PRETTY BRIGHT.
ARE THEY A MUTED TONE? TONE THAT IS COMPATIBLE? A LOT OF TIMES THE, THE, UH, UH, COLORS AREN'T COMPATIBLE WITH WHAT WE REQUIRE.
THEY'RE TOO BRIGHT OR WHATEVER BASED ON THE RENDERING THAT WE GOT COLOR AND THEIR SIGNAGE.
WE DON'T NECESSARILY WITH SUN IN A MULTI-TENANT SHOPPING CENTER, SO WE DON'T REGULATE THE COLOR OF THE SIGNS.
IT COULD NOT HAVE AN INTERNALLY GLOWING SIZE, HAVE TO BE A SOLID FACE BASED ON WHAT I'M SEEING HERE.
MAYBE HALO LID OR EXTERNALLY ELIMINATED, BUT IT COULD, COULD HAVE COLOR.
SO PHO, I THINK THAT WE DID HAD THE ORANGE, BRIGHT ORANGE.
JUST WONDERING, UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WILL THE APPLICANT COME FORWARD PLEASE? OR STATE YOUR NAME AND WHERE YOU'RE FROM? UH, YES, YOUR HONOR.
I'M, I'M A REGIONAL PROJECT MANAGER FOR
I GOT, IT'S ME THAT SHE'S, UH, SHE'S ON MY TEAM AND UM, LIKE I SAID, I'VE BEEN WITH
SO WE JUST GOTTA WATCH THIS ONE TOO.
WE DON'T WANNA GET OVER BUDGET.
AND, UH, AND THIS IS A QUICK CLOSE, SO THE PROPERTY OWNERS KIND OF SET, BUT HE'S PUT THIS TONE OF QUICK CLOSE, SO WHEN DON'T YOU HAVE LIKE TWO MONTHS TO, TO MAKE A DECISION.
SO I LIKE THAT
BUT YES, I MEAN THIS IS, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GOT FAMILIAR WITH AUTO ZOOM.
WE TYPICALLY DO IT JUST A, A GRAY PAINTED BLOCK BUILDING TWO, UH, JUST LIKE ONE ON POPULAR AVENUE.
SO WE'RE, THIS IS NOT OUR STANDARD AUTO ZONE.
SO ACTUALLY, UM, WE'RE PROPOSING, UH, LIKE A EARTH TONE BRICK, UH, AND, AND STONE BASE WITH UH, AND THEN AND THE ART BOARDS THAT CEMENT, UH, FIBER REWARDS PAINTED, UH, A B COLOR AND THAT'S GOT BRIAN STOREFRONT BRIAN ON, AND THOSE ARE JUST
THAT ONE IS WHAT? THIS IS JUST, OKAY.
IS THAT HARD BOARD MATERIAL? IS THAT WHAT'S BEHIND THE OH YES.
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AND WE TYPICALLY PUT EVAS OVER THE STOREFRONT AND WE, AND WE DO A LIGHT COLOR SO THE AUTOZONE SONIC WILL, WILL KNOW, WILL STAND OUT.UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE KIND OF TUCKED IN BEHIND SONIC AND THE GAS STATION, SO WE'RE GONNA BE KIND OF HARD TO SEE.
BUT I WOULD LIKE, I MEAN WE JUST LIKE TO SEE THE AUTOZONE JUST TO THE SIGN JUST TO POP OUT.
AND THAT'S WHY THE WHITE BACKGROUND BEHIND AND THE HARDY BOARD, I MEAN, I, I'VE SEEN THAT APPROVED.
WHAT, WHAT DROVE THE CHOICE FOR A HARDY PRODUCT OVER A MORE, AND NOT THAT HARDY'S NOT SUBSTANTIAL, MORE SUBSTANTIAL PRODUCTS SUCH AS E OR, UM, I DON'T THINK CODE ALLOW, WE TYPICALLY DO STUFF THOUGH.
VIS IS KNOWN AS A TRIM PIECE, RIGHT.
BUT I THINK YOU GUYS WILL ALLOW CARDBOARD.
DID YOU CONSIDER BRICK? UM, WE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT IN-HOUSE.
I MEAN, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU DON'T JUST DON'T LIKE CARDBOARD OR CAN WE DARKEN UP TO COVER? I THINK THAT'S KIND OF BRIGHT.
I MEAN IF YOU GUYS ARE OKAY WITH HARDBOARD, CAN WE, CAN WE DARKEN THE COLOR THAT CAN BE PAINTED ANY COLOR? MM-HMM
I MEAN THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT SHADES OF, AND I THINK WE BROUGHT THE SAMPLE.
I WOULD LIKE THE NEXT SHADE A LITTLE BIT DARKER.
UM, I THINK IT HAS A RESIDENTIAL LOOK, THE SHIP OUT.
WOULD YOU CONSIDER EFIS OR SOME OTHER MATERIAL LIKE THAT? SOME TYPE OF STUCK UP? I MEAN, LOOKING AT THE OTHER BUILDINGS RIGHT IN THAT AREA, THERE'S, I LOOK THERE ANY SHIP LAB? UM, YEAH, THERE'S A MCDONALD'S.
I THINK IT'S A DARK GRAY OR GRAY.
BUT I MEAN IF YOU GUYS WENT THROUGH, WE, WE PREFER TO DO
YES, BECAUSE WE DO THAT ALL THE TIME.
AND WE HAVE, THERE'S FLORIDA REQUIREMENTS.
WHAT ABOUT THE STONE THAT WOULD MATCH? IT'S ACROSS THE STREET.
WHAT IS THAT? DO WE KNOW WHERE THAT IS? I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE STONE IS ACROSS THE STREET.
WE IS, UH, OVER REALLY NO LOOKS, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S STONE OR THAT'S JUST, UM, THAT COULD BE STONE.
I, I'M NOT POSITIVE EXTRA STUCCO.
I THINK IT, I THINK THAT WAS BUILT BEFORE WE CHANGED OUR OKAY.
UH, I THINK THIS, I THINK THIS COULD BE STUCCO.
I THINK IT'S CO PRETTY SURE THE ARCHITECTURAL METAL AND THEN, UH, THE GROUND.
I THINK IT'S LIKE RECAST STONE, LIKE AN AIR SCRAP.
IF YOU GUYS WILLING TO AGREE THAT THAT WOULD BE A MUCH BETTER BE WITHIN OUR, WELL WITHIN OUR BUDGET.
MORE THAN THE, WELL REALLY WE'RE JUST THROWING OUT IDEAS.
I'M NOT GONNA VOTE ON THIS THOUGH.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO TRYING TO COME UP WITH THINGS FOR YOU GUYS.
GIVE YOU GUIDANCE MORE LIKE, UM, I DO, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, I, I LIKE THE, THE BRICK I'M, I'VE BEEN PRETTY SURE THAT YOU'RE AT THE CITY.
SO I THINK WE HAVE THE TABLES ON ON MAYBE MORE.
WE THINK THAT, UM, AND YOU KNOW, OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT GRAPHICS AND THINGS THAT ARE DONE, IT'S HARD TO GET A GRAPH FOR WHAT IT REALLY LOOKS LIKE.
AND YOU REALLY GOT KIND OF TWO DIFFERENT, UM, THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT GRAPHIC PICTURES.
THIS IS A TOTALLY DIFFERENT RIGHT COLOR SCHEME THAN THIS.
SO IT'S HARD TO TELL EXACTLY WHAT IT'S GONNA BE LIKE.
UM, AND THEN THAT SAMPLE DOESN'T QUITE GO WITH THAT.
SO WHEN IT'S HARD, I MEAN, IT'S SOMEWHAT PRINTER I THINK AS FAR AS THE BRICK AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED.
I THINK SOME OF THE TRIM PARTS ON THIS DARK BRICK COULD BE A LIGHTER SHADE.
LIKE SOME OF THE OTHER BUILDINGS AROUND IN THAT, THAT AREA GENERALLY.
I THINK THAT WOULD LOOK A LITTLE, LITTLE BETTER.
IT'S A MATTER OF CHANGING, YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE, UH, WE BROUGHT IN SOME DIFFERENT BRICK, UH, LIGHTER BRICK.
IT'S, YOU KNOW, DARK, LIGHTER, LIGHTER.
AND WE HAVE, WE BOUGHT SOME WHITE BRICK SAMPLES ALSO.
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BOTHER ME AS MUCH AS IT'S JUST MONOCHROMATIC.AND YOU COULD HAVE SOME ACCENTS.
AND SO A LOT OF THE BUILDINGS AROUND THERE ARE LIKE THAT.
I MEAN THEY, THEY FIT IN WITH EVERYTHING AROUND THERE.
WE PULLED UP THE APPROVED PLANS FOR THAT PANEL BEHIND IS
BUT THAT WAS AGAIN, THAT WAS BEFORE WE CHANGED OUR LITTLE MATERIAL REQUIREMENTS.
AGAIN, WE'RE DEFINITELY OPEN TO E OR STUCCO OVER THE STORE.
IT WOULD BE ONLY ON OVER THE STORE THAT YEAH.
I, I KIND OF LIKE THE IDEA THAT THAT'S A, AND YOU KNOW, I I THINK YOU GET, YOU DON'T WANT THINGS TO LOOK EXACTLY THE SAME.
AND, BUT I MEAN IT, IT NEEDS TO STILL BE COMPATIBLE AND IF YOU HAS A FEW MORE ACCENTS IN THERE, I THINK THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE UH, ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS GIVE A LITTLE BIT BETTER LOOK WHAT BRIDGE SAID WAS MADE, MADE SENSE AS FAR AS THAT BEING TOO WHITE.
GOT A HUGE CONTRAST WITH VERY DARK BRICK AND ALMOST A WHITE COLOR ANYWAY.
WELL THAT, THAT'S A SEPARATE APPROVAL, RIGHT? NO, THE SIGN'S FINE.
JUST MEANT LIKE JUST THE BACKGROUND.
I DON'T KNOW IF THE ORANGE WOULD BE APPROVED OR NOT.
YEAH, I WAS TALKING ABOUT JUST IT UP AGAINST THE, THE BRIGHT.
I MEAN WE CAN, YOU KNOW, WE CAN TO THAT COLOR DOWN A LITTLE BIT.
A DARKER COLOR LIKE THE ONE NEXT TO IT TO YOUR RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, IT'S FUNNY, IT HIS IT IS WHAT HE HAS MAKES IT IS A LITTLE, A LITTLE DARKER.
AND WE CAN PUT SOME MORE DESIGN LIKE SCORE LINES OR SOMETHING IN END IF WE GO TO STUCCO.
BUT IF WE STAY WITH THE HARDING BOARD, THEY ALREADY HAVE THE SCORE LINES IN IT ALREADY.
I THINK THEY'RE LIKE EIGHT TO 12 INCHES ON CENTER.
BUT IF WE SIT DO STUCCO, WE CAN SCORE ANY TYPE OF DESIGN AND WE, WE SORT LIKE THE, AS IF YOU CAN TELL THESE, UH, THESE ARE, ARE, ARE LIKE, UH, STACKED BRICKS.
SO THAT'S A DIFFERENT PATTERN.
AND THESE ARE THE HERRINGBONE PATTERN.
UM, I MEAN WE CAN ADD SOME SCORE LINES IN HERE OR AROUND THE SIGNAGE JUST TO BREAK IT UP.
A STUCCO IS GONNA, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE ALL THESE LINES OR, OR WE CAN DO STUCCO AND DO SCORE LINES EVERY 12 INCHES ON CENTER OR 18 INCHES ON CENTER.
KIND OF LIKE THE, ACROSS THE FRONT A LITTLE BIT.
ANY MORE COMMENTS ON, UH, QUESTIONS? LOOKS GOOD.
WHAT WAS THE SECOND ITEM? WHAT THOSE TWO? OH, OR THE
SO O'REILLY HAS SPAN WINDOWS ON THE SIDE.
I'M THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT FOR THE AUTOZONE PROJECT.
THAT SIDE THAT HAS THE PANELS ON IT.
IS THAT THE, IS THAT THE NORTH FACING SIDE SIDE ON THE SOUTH FACING SIDE AND, AND THE, ON THE AUTOZONE DEMONSTRATION? THE
THE ONLY THING I WAS THINKING THAT I WAS GONNA, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE A, WE'VE GOT A, YOU KNOW, A PRETTY DENSE BUFFER ALONG THE NORTH SIDE.
SO, YOU KNOW, NOT THAT WE'RE NOT TRYING TO MAKE ALL SIDES OF THE BUILDING ATTRACTIVE, BUT YOU KNOW, JUST THE VISIBILITY OF THAT NORTH SIDE IS, IS GONNA BE LIMITED 'CAUSE IT IS CLOSER TO THE PROPERTY LINE SIDE.
SEEMS, SEEMS LIKE, IS THE, UH, IS THE PROPOSAL TO DO THE HEARING BONE BRICK? WHAT'S THE PLAN IS? YEAH.
AND WE'VE DONE THAT IN A COUPLE MISSISSIPPI STORES RECENTLY.
SO YEAH, THAT'S THAT MIDDLE, THE, THAT METAL IMAGE.
WAIT IS THAT THE THIS THIS WILL BE ON THE NORTH SIDE.
THIS WILL BE ON THE NORTH SIDE.
I'M SURE THIS WOULD BE SCREENED BY LANDSCAPE.
AND ALSO, YEAH, FAKE TO FAKE WITH.
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YEAH I HAVE NO THAT'S MM-HMM.PERSONALLY I LIKE THE HER BONE BETTER THAN THE FALSE WINDOWS.
I MEAN PEOPLE MAKE A SEE FALSE WINDOWS 'CAUSE THERE'S A GLAZING REQUIREMENTS.
MM-HMM
I MEAN I LIKE, BUT YOU KNOW, YEAH.
'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY I'M A CONSULTANT BUT YOU KNOW, WINDOWS ON THAT SIDE, YOU KNOW, WHICH CLEARLY IS BACK OF THE HOUSE.
I ALMOST THINK IT MAKES IT LOOK ODD.
LIKE, LIKE WE BUILT A BUILDING THAT'S GOT A VIEW TO, ON A VERY STRANGE SIDE.
NOW WE DID ALL, WE DID ADD THE FALSE WINDOWS ABOVE.
I DUNNO IF YOU GUYS NOTICED WE DID ADD IT ABOVE.
LIKE ACROSS THE STREET THAT KIND OF ADD SOME FALSE WINDOWS ABOVE LIKE PASTA, MEXICAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE IS OVER THERE.
AND I THINK WHAT WE SUBMITTED BEFORE, WE ACTUALLY HAD STUCCO ALONG THIS BACK OVER HERE AND WE GOT COMMENTS FROM STAFF.
THEY SAID NO, LET'S NOT DO THAT.
ACTUALLY WE WRAPPED THIS BACK CORNER SIMILAR TO THIS, BUT NOT AS BIG.
WE JUST HAD A BACK CORNER WRAPPED.
SO WE REMOVED THAT WHEN WE MADE IT ALL BRICK.
YEAH, I THINK YOU'RE ON THE RIGHT TRACK.
LIKE SO ALL OKAY WITH THIS? YEAH, THEY PROPOSE I THINK SO I, I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE ACCENTS AND BE, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU ACTUALLY PRESENT IT, YOU COULD HAVE SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT WITH THE MORE ACCENTS AND KIND OF SHOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND MULTIPLE PICTURES AND YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, COLORS.
SO WE WANNA SEE THE ACCENT IN THE UH, IN THE HEART BOARD PIECE OR JUST, WELL JUST MAYBE YOU HAVE IT THROUGH THE ENTIRE BUILDING.
JUST PLACES IN THE WHOLE BUILDING THERE.
THERE COULD BE A, YOU KNOW, LIKE ACROSS THE TOP OR IN THE CENTER OR SOMETHING.
BECAUSE WE DO SHOW IT'S A LITTLE BIT TO BREAK UP A SOLID MASS OF NO I GOT IT.
I MEAN WE DO SHOW THE UH, THE SOLDIER PORSCHE BRICK AND THE ROAD LOCK BRICK ACROSS THE TOP.
YEAH, I MEAN I'VE SEEN A LOT OF BUILDINGS.
THEY MAY BE DOUBLE STACK THESE BUT YEAH, WE COULD THROW SOMETHING IN TO BREAK IT UP.
THAT'S WHY WE PUT THESE IN TO BREAK IT UP.
'CAUSE THESE ARE ACTUALLY DIFFERENT PATTERNS AND THE RUNNING BOARD THEY CALL IT LIKE RUNNING OUR RUNNING BIND BRICK.
I LOOK FORWARD TO YOU BEING CLOSER BECAUSE I HAVE A COMMERCIAL ACCOUNT WITH YOU.
YEAH, WELL LIKE I SAID, THE OWNER'S FORCING US, YOU KNOW, A QUICK THANK YOU VERY MUCH WANTS, IT'S BY IMAGING THAT'S QUICK.
WE GOTTA GET A BUDGET TOGETHER AND GET IT APPROVED INTERNALLY BEFORE WE AGREE TO EVERYTHING.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO FAST TRACK THIS.
IS THERE ANY MORE DISCUSSION? THANK, THANK YOU.
[9.b Case #251492 – The Parke at Houston Levee – First Methodist Church Collierville – Review and discuss a proposed color change for an 18,360-square foot church on 7.98 acres, located on the west side South Houston Levee Road, south of Winchester Boulevard.]
IS CASE NUMBER 2 5 1 4 1 2 PARK HOUSTON LE FIRST TEMPLE CHURCH TITLE.YOU REVIEW AND DISCUSS A CLOSED COLOR CHANGE FOR 18 POUND PERIMETERS.
LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE IS
A MCC BERRY ENGINEERING LLC UH, PROPERTY OWNER FIRST METHODIST CHURCH IN
AND THE PROJECT PLANNER, WE HAVE A PRESENTATION FROM STAFF.
UM, SO I DO HAVE SOME SLIDES, UH, TO SHOW YOU WHAT THE BMA APPROVED, BUT I CAN JUST GO OVER SOME HISTORY REAL QUICK.
Y'ALL DIDN'T SEE THIS BECAUSE IT WAS IN A RECENTLY APPROVED PD.
SO IT WENT STRAIGHT TO FINAL SITE PLAN.
IT DIDN'T HAVE TO GO TO PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN.
THE DMA APPROVED IT IN AUGUST OF 2025 LAST YEAR.
UM, RIGHT NOW IT IS CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
I THINK THEY HAVE MOST OF THE FRAMING UP SO FAR.
UM, THEY DID, THEY DID BRING UP A MOCKUP.
OH NO, I PUT IN THAT THEY, OKAY.
YEAH I'LL PASS C BUT THIS IS THE MOCKUP PANEL THEY PROVIDED.
THE DARKER IS THE EDGECOMB GRAY AND THEN THE LIGHTER IS ALABASTER AND THEY NOW ON THE PANEL.
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OH, IT'S COLUMN.I'LL PAINT IT OFF THE, THAT ONE NOW WITH RENAISSANCE GROUP.
UH, ARCHITECTURAL DESIGNER PROJECT MANAGER WORKING WITH JOHN ON THIS.
UM, JOHN MAKES THE CALL, RIGHT? I KNOW I THINK ORIGINALLY WE WERE LOOKING AT SO WHITE, WHICH WE THOUGHT WAS PRE-APPROVED AND IT GOT CHANGED DURING COMMENTS WHEN WE SUBMITTED TO, TO BECOME THE COME GRAY.
SO THAT'S THE WIDE WHITE WE CAN ADMINISTRATIVE THE APPROVED.
SO WHAT WE DID ON THE MOCKUP WAS TRY TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT STILL IS NOT THE BRIGHT WHITE, UM, BUT HAS SOME, IT'S CALLED CALM BUT BENJAMIN MOORE, IT'S GOT A LITTLE BIT OF THE YELLOW BACK TONE TO IT, BUT IT'S NOT, IT'S TAN AS THE EDGECOMB GRAY.
THAT, SO WE'RE SO NOT ALABASTER.
WE'RE OPEN TO ALABASTER JUST BECAUSE WE'VE FOUND THAT THERE ARE OTHER BUILDINGS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED ALL ALONG SHILLING FARMS THAT, THAT HAVE THE ALABASTER AND I HAVE ALL
UM, SO YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE EDGECOMB, THIS IS THE CALM AND THIS IS ALABASTER AND I THINK RENAISSANCE GROUP, THE ARCHITECT AND THE, AND THE OWNERSHIP GROUP WOULD LOVE TO SEE EITHER THE ALABASTER OR CALM, UM, OVER THE EDGECOMB GRAY IS WHAT THE REQUEST OF THE MEETING? NO, JUST PERSONAL PREFERENCE IN GENERAL.
THEY JUST, IT'S, IT'S A CHURCH.
THE EDGECOMB MATCH THE BRICK A LITTLE TOO MUCH AND BE TOO TAN.
UM, THE BRICK'S ALREADY ORDERED OR WE WOULD ALSO BE LOOKING AT MAYBE TWEAKING THE BRICK COLOR.
UM, SO OUR REQUESTING ITEMS TO EITHER GO TO THE ALABASTER OR THE BENJAMIN MOORE CALM, UM, I THINK ORIGINALLY THE CALM IS SPECKED ON THE TRIM COLOR THAT'S IN THE APPROVED PACKAGE.
IF WE'RE ALLOWED TO GO TO EITHER ALABASTER OR CALM, WE WOULD DO THE TRIM AND THE HARDY TOGETHER.
UM, NOW, BUT IF YOU HAVE SOME EXHIBITS OF THE ACTUAL YEAH, I COULD PULL THAT UP.
GOT HERE TO SHOW WHERE THE BRICK IS.
AND WE'VE GOT SOME VERTICAL HARDY AND SOME HORIZONTAL HARDY IN PLACES ON THE BUILDING.
IS THAT ALL PAINTED? I MEAN ALL THE BRICK AND EVERYTHING.
THE BRICK IS THE BRICK IS IS WHAT WAS APPROVED ON THE UH, DID YOU BRING THAT? HE DIDN'T BRING IN THAT BRICK AND IT IS, UM,
IT LOOKS EVEN THE BRICK LOOKS A LOT DARKER IN THE, IN THE WORLD THAN IT DOES ON THE SAMPLE BOARD.
AS YOU SEE IN THE PICTURES DIFFERENT, THE BRICK'S THE SAME, THE MORTAR'S DIFFERENT THAN BOTH OF THOSE.
THAT'S THE DOUG GRAY AND THE OTHER ONE IS AL THAT'S CALLED, THAT'S CALLED, THAT'S CALLED, UNLESS WHERE'S THE ALABASTER? THE ALAMABA IN THE, THE STAFF REPORT I GAVE YOU.
THERE'S ANOTHER PANEL IN THE BOTTOM.
HERE'S THE CONTRACTOR PAINTED A PANEL FOR US.
NO, I THINK TECHNICALLY THE COMBS A HAIR WIDER THAN ALABASTER.
THE, I THINK THE MAIN REASON THAT WE WANTED TO TALK ABOUT ALABASTER IS THERE'S THE GREAT EXAMPLE OF THE NEW BOYLE BUILDING OVER CHILI FARM.
SO THEIR NEWEST BUILDINGS THEY JUST BUILT, THEY PAINTED SUN BRICK AND LEFT SOME BRICK NATURAL, WHICH WOULD BE VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO.
'CAUSE WE'VE GOT A LOT OF BRICK THAT'S UH, THAT NATURAL SAME NATURAL COLOR.
AND SO WE THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD EXAMPLE.
I'VE BEEN WONDERING IF THEY WERE GONNA PAINT THAT THEY JUST TO BREAK IT UP.
YEAH, THE FIRST TWO BUILDINGS THEY BUILT A COUPLE YEARS AGO WERE ALL PAINTED.
I THINK THEY ACTUALLY LOOK BETTER.
THEY'VE GOT, IT'S ABOUT HALF AND HALF OF WHAT THEY PAINTED AND THEY DON'T PAINT.
WHICH IS A MORE SIMILAR CASE TO WHAT WE WOULD DO INSTEAD OF PAINTING ALL OF OUR BUILDINGS.
AND WE DON'T WANT PAINT OUR BRICK.
'CAUSE THEN YOU HAVE TO KEEP PAINTING YOUR BRICK.
UM, NOW SHILLING FARMS, AM I CORRECT? AND THAT WAS A PUD? YES.
AND THEY'RE GRANDFATHERED INTO SOME OF THE STUFF THAT GOES ON IN THERE IN A WAY.
BUT I'D LIKE, AND I KNOW WE'RE, WE ONLY HAVE LIKE 15 MINUTES LEFT BEFORE PEOPLE TURN UP
I NEED LIKE FIVE MINUTES TO EXPLAIN TO YOU HOW WE GOT TO THIS POINT WITH THE COLOR WHITE.
WHEN, WHEN YOU'RE, WHEN YOU'RE READY.
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SEE WHITE, THIS IS HIGHLY REFLECTIVE WHITE, WHICH IS USUALLY WHAT WE USE ON CEILINGS INSIDE.AND THEN JUST, THAT'S OLD PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH DOWN THERE.
YEAH, THEY PAINTED A COUPLE YEARS AGO.
I THINK THEY GOT AWAY WITH THAT.
'CAUSE IT HISTORIC HAS COME GRAY AS WELL.
WHICH ONE? THE PETERSON LAKE AND POPLAR.
YEAH, THIS IS AL, THAT'S ALBA RIGHT HERE.
I MEAN I, I PERSONALLY LIKE THE ALABAMA STUFF.
I MEAN IT JUST, YOU SEE ALL THESE QUAINT TOWNS AND YOU SEE A WHITE, REALLY A WHITE CHURCH.
RIGHT? I JUST THINK IT'S QUAINT.
THAT'S, I MAYBE, MAYBE HOW WELL I I AGREE WITH YOU.
I THINK, I THINK THE, THE ONLY PROBLEM I HAVE WITH THIS IS, YOU KNOW, DOING THIS ALL THESE YEARS, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T MAKE UP THESE REQUIREMENTS.
AND SO LIKE, UM, CURTIS WOULD ALWAYS SAY WE HAVE TO HAVE JUSTIFICATION FOR, FOR DOING THAT.
BECAUSE IF WE SAY, OKAY, THIS IS OKAY, THEN SOMEBODY WHO, WE FORCE LIKE THOSE PEOPLE ON ALIA TO REPAINT THEIR BUILDING, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT HAPPY ABOUT IT.
AND OTHER PEOPLE, WHEN THEY DECIDE TO REPAINT, I SAY, WELL, THEY DID IT OVER THERE, WHY CAN'T YOU DO IT? AND THAT BE PART OF THIS FIVE MINUTE DISCUSSION.
BUT I MEAN, I I AGREE, I LIKE IT.
BUT CAN WE APPROVE IT? SHORT ANSWER AND WITHOUT, WITHOUT HAVING SOME KIND OF FIGURE OUT SOME KIND OF JUSTIFICATION.
AND I, AND I, I THINK STAFF COULD APPROVE IT IF IT COMPLIES WITH THE GUIDELINES.
SO THAT'S PART OF WHERE THE CHURCH IS RIGHT NOW, IS THEY'VE GOT A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT SAYS USE EDGECOMB GRAY.
WE CAN'T APPROVE THAT, THAT ONLY THE BMA CAN TWEAK THAT LANGUAGE.
UH, BUT IN GENERAL, ANYTIME ANYBODY MAKES A CHANGE TO A SITE THAT'S EITHER IT'S HASN'T BEEN APPROVED YET OR THAT Y'ALL HAVE APPROVED, WE COULD ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVE A CHANGE AS LONG AS IT COMPLIES WITH THE GUIDELINES.
SO SOMETIMES PEOPLE JUST CHANGE THINGS AS LONG AS IT MEETS THE GUIDELINES, STAFF CAN APPROVE THE CHANGE ADMINISTRATIVELY.
SO THE QUESTION IS, DOES, DOES ALABASTER WHITE MEET THE GUIDELINES? AND, UH, GRAY IS NOT IN THE GUIDELINES.
IT DOES NOT SAY THAT, UM, THAT WHOLE, THAT COLOR WAS CHOSEN BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE DESIGN GUIDELINES READ BETWEEN 2007 AND 2024.
UM, IT DIDN'T, IT JUST SAID AVOID WHITE BY USING CREAM COLORS.
SO THE DRC AT THE TIME WAS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MEANS.
AND WE, IT WAS DURING A TIME AND JUST TO BE A LITTLE BIT SELF-CRITICAL AND ALL, AND A LOT OF COMMUNITIES, SUBURBAN COMMUNITIES HAVE GONE THROUGH THIS, I CALLED IT OUR PRETTY TOE PHASE WHERE WE WANTED EVERYTHING TO BE BROWN AND TAN.
IF YOU REMEMBER WHAT WALMART LOOKED LIKE BEFORE THEY PAINTED IT, IT WAS, IT WAS BROWN.
UH, IF YOU REMEMBER WHAT, LIKE WHERE TARGET IS THAT, THAT SHOPPING CENTER WHERE ACADEMY SPORTS WAS, WHERE THE SCHNUCKS WAS, WHERE THE KROGER WAS.
IT, IT, WE, IT WE, THAT'S JUST WHAT SUBURBAN COMMUNITIES DID.
AND I THINK ONE OF THE REASONS WHY NOW IN 2026, ALABASTER LOOKS DIFFERENT.
BULL HAS DONE A GOOD JOB OUT THERE AND WE SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
AND I THINK WE'VE ALSO BEEN DESENSITIZED BECAUSE ON YOUR WAY HOME YOU'RE GONNA SEE 10 HOUSES PAINTED WHITE, VARIOUS SHADES OF WHITE.
SO I THINK IT'S, IT'S DIFFERENT THAN WHEN THEY PICKED EDGECOMB GRAY.
WE GOT TO THE EDGECOMB GRAY BECAUSE PEOPLE AT GERMANTOWN HAD JUST PAINTED A SHOPPING CENTER WHITE, UH, LIKE WHERE THE BIKE SHOP IS AND NEXT TO I GUESS THE PICCADILLY CAFE THAT THAT GENERAL AREA, THEY HAD JUST PAINTED THAT TO REFRESH THAT SHOPPING CENTER.
AND THEN WE GOT PRESSURE TO DO THAT.
THIS HAS BEEN LIKE OVER 10 YEARS AGO.
AND THEN WE WERE STRUGGLING WITH THAT LANGUAGE AND EDGECOMB GRAY WAS THE, THE WHITEST THAT WE WOULD GO, 'CAUSE IT STILL FELT KIND OF, KIND OF LIKE A CREAM COLOR.
AND SO WE'VE IMP INTERPRETED THAT TO MEAN WE COULD ONLY APPROVE ADMINISTRATIVELY EDGECOMB GRAY OR DARKER.
AND SO WE'VE, WE'VE TRIED TO, TO DO THAT.
BASICALLY WHAT'S IN THERE IS THE WORD CREAM COLOR, CORRECT? MM-HMM.
YOU DON'T WANT BUILDINGS BETTER THIS COLOR.
YOU DON'T WANT LIKE STARK WHITE.
THE REFLECTIVE WHITE AND THE BARRACK WHITE, WE DON'T WANT 10 OF THESE BUILDINGS SIDE BY SIDE.
AND PART OF THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT CHILLING FARMS, THAT WAS ALLOWED BECAUSE IT WAS GONNA BE A, YOU KNOW, A BROAD SPANNING DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD BE COHESIVE AND EVERYTHING MAKES SENSE.
WELL JUST LIKE AUTOZONE WHO JUST POINTED AT FOUR BUILDINGS NEXT TO WHERE THEY WANT TO BUILD AND SAID, HERE'S WHY WE DON'T THINK YOU SHOULD DO THAT.
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THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN NEXT.AND SO I'M NOT, I THINK I, THAT I'M NOT AN EDGE, UM, GREAT
NOTHING THAT MY HOUSE, LIKE, YOU KNOW, UM, AND I FALL RIGHT INTO THE MIX OF ALABASTER AND I SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE REQUEST THAT.
UH, BUT I DON'T, I WANNA BE CAUTIOUS OF, OF PRECEDENT IN AREAS WITHOUT A PLAN FOR HOW WE WANNA SEE THOSE, YOU KNOW, OVER TIME.
AND I, AND I I'M SURE JAN CAN WEIGH IN ON THAT.
SO, AND TO GO INTO IT A LITTLE BIT DEEPER, WE DID CHANGE THE GUIDELINES IN 2024 SEEING THIS ISSUE.
SO I THINK YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO RESET AND, AND EVEN THOUGH PEOPLE MIGHT BE CRITICAL AND SAY YOU, YOU'RE LET, YOU'RE LETTING SOMEBODY DO IT NOW.
YOU'RE LETTING THE CHURCH DO IT, BUT YOU WOULDN'T LET ME DO IT.
WELL WE'VE GOT NEW TEXT, UH, AND THE TEXT SAYS, WHILE BROAD WHITE CAN BE APPROPRIATE FOR TRIM AND ACCENT, LESS THAN 25% OF THE EPISO AREA, UH, AVOID BRIGHT WHITE BY USING OFF WHITE OR CREAM COLORS, UM, THAT THE WORD OFF WHITE WAS USED.
SO INSTEAD, CREAM COLORS SEE THIS.
SO THE QUESTION BECOMES WHAT IS OFF WHITE? AND HERE'S A LIST OF ALL THE, THE COLORS THAT OF WHITE NOT THIS IS, THIS IS A BUNCH OF 'EM.
AND IT'S SORTED BY NUMERICAL ASPECT OF LOOKING AT AT COLOR.
AND I'M MINDFUL WE'VE GOT SOME ARCHITECTS IN THE ROOM THAT CAN HELP BRING, WE WANNA HEAR YOU GO ON.
SO THIS LRV LIGHT REFLECTING VALUE IS, IS THE, THE QUALITY THAT, HOW DOES IT REFLECT LIGHT WITH ZERO BAND BLACK AND A HUNDRED PERCENT BEING A HUNDRED PERCENT, A HUNDRED PERCENT REFLECTIVITY.
SO ABSORBING ALL THE LIGHT AND REFLECTING ON LIGHT.
AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THESE DIFFERENT ATTRIBUTES OF EDGE GRAY OR ALABASTER, THEY'LL TELL YOU WHAT THEY THINK.
IT'S UM, SCOTT REKY WHO'S ALSO ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION, I TALKED TO HIM ABOUT IT.
HE'S LIKE, DON'T SHOW THEM THAT
AND SO I'M LIKE, SO DON'T TELL SCOTT, I'LL SHOW YOU THIS.
I'M TEXTING, I DON'T WANNA PUT THIS IN THE CODE.
AND THIS IS PART OF WHAT SCOTT I TALKED ABOUT IS LIKE, THIS IS NOT, THIS IS NOT, WOULD NOT BE GOOD CODE TO SAY LIKE IF WE, IF WE SET A VALUE.
BUT I, I THINK IT'S HELPFUL TO UNDERSTAND, IT'S HELPFUL FOR US AS STAFF TO UNDERSTAND THE METRICS BEHIND IT.
UM, BUT ONE ALABASTER IS RIGHT AROUND 82 PER PERCENT RE REFLECTIVE AS OPPOSED TO LIKE 63 FOR EDGECOMB.
AND THAT'S WHY IT APPEARS THAT THAT WAY LIGHTER AND DARKER, UM, I DID FIND SOME WHAT MIGHT BE CONSIDERED BEST PRACTICES FOR WHEN DID, WHEN DOES IT STOP BEING BRIGHT OFF WHITE AND WHEN DOES IT STOP BEING BRIGHT WHITE? THEN IT'S RIGHT AROUND 82.
SO WE COULD SAY IF ALBA, IF YOU LIKE ALABASTER AND IT FEELS GOOD, THAT COULD BE, INSTEAD OF SAYING EVERYTHING'S GOTTA BE
BUT IF IT'S LESS THAN 82 AND SO THAT, THAT MIGHT BE SOME ADDITIONAL DISCRETION, A A NEW WAY OF THINKING ABOUT IT.
UM, BUT ALSO THE RBG VALUES, THE, THE RED, UH, BLUE AND GREEN VALUES, UH, FROM LOOKING INTO IT.
THE HIGHER THE NUMBERS, THE CLOSER TOGETHER THE NUMBERS, THE WIDER IT SEEMS. SO THERE'S ALSO SOME RULES OF THUMB ABOUT THAT.
MAYBE IF IT'S LESS THAN TWO 30, WE'RE NOT CLOSE TOGETHER.
THAT COULD ALSO BE A REASON NOT TO SEND THEM TO THE DRC.
BUT IF IT'S A REALLY HIGH NUMBER AND UH, HIGH, UH, LIGHT REFLECTIVE VALUE NUMBER.
SO JUST GIVING US MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE DISCRETION AND RE WE'RE TRYING TO INCREASE OUR UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT, WHAT THIS EVEN MEANS AND WHY WE'RE THERE.
BUT I THINK THE CODE THIS ALLOWS OFFWHITE AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IS ALABASTER OFFWHITE QUESTION TO ME? AND IF IT'S OFFWHITE, WE CAN APPROVE IT IF THE BMA APPROVES THE DEVELOPMENT GRIEVANCE.
THE SHORT ANSWER, IF YOU LIKE WHAT YOU SAID,
SO I'M, I WAS LITTLE CONFUSED ABOUT, UM, IF, IF THE SHILLING FARMS IS THE ALABASTER AND THAT WAS APPROVED MM-HMM
WHY WOULD WE HAVE TO HAVE THIS MADE? IT WAS APPROVED IN A PLAN DEVELOPMENT THAT PREDATED THE 2007 GUIDELINES SO THAT THAT WHOLE FASCINATION WITH CREAM COLOR DIDN'T HAPPEN UNTIL 2000.
OKAY, SO IT GOES BACK PRE 2007.
I DO, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE ONLY THING IS WE KNOW THAT
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SOMEBODY WILL COME ALONG AND THEY'LL HAVE A BIG BUILDING AND THEY'LL GO, WELL THE METHODIST CHURCH HAS IT.WHY WE, SO THAT'S WHAT WE JUST HAVE TO BE ABLE TO DEFEND IT.
I WAS THINKING THAT MAYBE EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT IN HISTORIC DISTRICT, THERE ARE TWO HISTORIC CHURCHES MM-HMM
ON THE SQUARE AND IT'S SORT OF A HISTORIC FEEL.
I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S COMMONLY THOUGHT OF AS FAR AS C CHURCHES GO.
I MEAN THAT, JUST TRYING TO THINK OF A WAY TO YEAH, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT JUSTIFICATION.
I WOULD USE THAT ALL THE TIME.
HE COULD DO WHAT HE WANTED UP AND EXCUSE IT ALL MY LIFE.
YOU'LL GET QUESTIONS IN THE GROCERY STORE, BUT THAT, THAT WOULD BE A GOOD REASON TO SEE WE HAVE TO DEFEND THIS.
AND THEY'LL COME BACK ON US AND GO, OH THIS IS, YOU KNOW, YOU LET THEM DO THAT AESTHETIC.
WE GOTTA HAVE A REASON AESTHETIC.
IT'S
I LIKE THAT STER COLOR AND ISN'T GONNA BE SURROUNDED.
I MEAN, IT'S GONNA BE SURROUNDED, RIGHT? YEAH.
IT'S NOT JUST GONNA BE A WHITE BUILDING IN THE MIDDLE OF HERE.
EVEN IF IT WAS WELL, THERE'S GONNA BE A BIG PARKING LOT AROUND.
THERE'LL BE A RESIDENT COMMERCIAL SHOPPING CENTER SOUTH.
Y'ALL WANNA MAKE
NO, BECAUSE I, I CAN GET IT PRETTY FAST.
WE HAVE CONSENSUS ON THE, ON THE BOARD THAT THIS IS TO US APPROPRIATE.
AND THEN JUST FOR YOUR TRIM IS STILL CALM OR SO WE'LL GO ALL, WE'LL PROBABLY DO ALL, ALL OF US.
AND WHAT COLOR IS THE BROWN? UH, DOVE.
IT DEFINITELY LOOKS MORE BROWN IN THE REAL WORLD THAN IT DOES IN HERE AS WELL.
UH, JAMIE'S CHART'S KIND OF FUNNY TO ME.
THE CALM LOOKS WIDER OUT THERE.
THAN THE, UH, ALABASTER ALABASTER.
BUT ON THE CHART IT'S THE OPPOSITE.
OR MAYBE THAT'S, I JUST SEE A LOT MORE OF A YELLOW UNDERTONE IN THE ALABASTER THAN CALM, BUT YEAH, IT SEEMS MORE GRAY.
I THINK IT, THE BRIGHTNESS OF IT, I MEAN I, WE WE, WE SEE ALABASTER IN RESIDENTIAL WORK ALL THE TIME AND IT'S, IT'S CONSIDERED, YOU KNOW, WHEN PEOPLE DON'T WANT STERILE, BRIGHT WHITE, IT'S WHERE WE HAD TWO FOR, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE SOFTER AND AND NEUTRAL.
UM, BUT WE'RE CAUTIOUS TO USE IT BECAUSE OF UNDERTONES BECAUSE DEPENDING ON EACH SPACE THEY CAN LOOK REALLY YELLOW.
I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT IN THIS, I DON'T THINK FROM THE ROAD WE'RE GONNA DROP BY.
THAT'S A YELLOW BUILDING
WE HAVE MAIN EXCEPT FROM YOU GUYS.
NO, THAT'S, UH, THAT'S ALL WE NEED TO HEAR FROM DIRECTION.
WE, WE APPRECIATE Y'ALLS TIME AND ASSISTANCE AND ALL THE HARD WORK Y'ALL DO ON THE DRC
SHOULD CLARITY, Y'ALL ARE OKAY WITH ALABASTER, RIGHT? I AM.
I'M WORRIED FOR, I DON'T WANT EVERYTHING TO, I DON'T WANT EVERYTHING TO SAY YEAH.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, GOING AFTER BUILDING.
THERE ARE ISSUES WITH BEING TOO DIALED INTO THE EDGECOMB GRADE.
I MEAN, I DON'T THINK IT LOOKS GOOD.
I I VERY CLEARLY, I DON'T THINK IT LOOKS GOOD.
I JUST DON'T WANNA SET, YOU KNOW, A NEW TONE.
WE'RE LIKE NOW EVERYTHING'S GONNA BE ALABASTER WHITE.
WHAT'S THAT BEACH CITY? WHAT'S THAT BEACH CITY DOWN THERE? THAT LITTLE SPEECH
SO I THINK IT'S NOT NECESSARILY ALABASTER, IT'S YOU AVOID BRIGHT WIFI USING OFF WHITE OR CREAM COLORS AND ALABASTER IS AN S WIFE AND SO THAT, THAT IS THE STANDARD IS WHAT IS OFFLINE.
AND WE, SINCE SOMEBODY'S TRYING TO DO SOMETHING THAT'S NOT WIDE, WE CAN MAKE SURE COME SEE Y'ALL AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD NOT APPROVE IN THIS.
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WAIVER APPEAL PROCESS WITH FOCUS BEING ON ALTERNATIVE COMPLIANCE.UH, THINK OF, I THINK IT WAS THAT, THAT WAIVER FOR THE PARAPET THAT KIND OF SPARKED THAT CONVERSATION.
WE'LL GIVE SOME TRAINING TO Y'ALL AT A FUTURE MEETING ON HOW THAT WOULD WORK IF THE BMA APPROVES.
YEAH, AND THEN WE GOT OUR ETTE NEXT MONTH FROM THE 12TH THROUGH THE 14TH, SO I'M FORGET ABOUT THAT.
UM, UP AND COMING DRC MEETING, THERE ARE NO UH, ITEMS YET, BUT I THINK THE DEADLINE IS SOMETIME NEXT WEEK FOR THE MAY DRC AND THEN ALSO WILL, COULD CONFLICT WITH THE ETTE AS WELL.
WE MIGHT HAVE TO MEET IN A, YEAH, A SIDE ROOM AND WE CAN GO INTO THE ADMINISTRATION ROOM IF IT SPRING.
YEAH, THINK I ONE LITTLE BIT MORE ROOM THERE.
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