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[1 Call to Order]
DESIGN REVIEW HEARING.WE HAVE A QUORUM, SO I WILL ASK ANGELA TO CALL.
[3 Approval of Minutes]
HAVE MINUTES IN OUR PACKETS FROM LAST MEETING.I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THOSE.
DID ANYONE HAVE MOTION TO APPROVE? ALL RIGHT.
I HAVE ONE POSSIBLE CORRECTION IN THERE.
I DON'T HAVE THE THING WITH ME.
UM, I NOTICED THAT ON ONE OF THE APPROVAL OF, UH, OF A, UH, WHAT WAS IT? UH, MOTION.
AND I THINK HE'S, THAT WAS JUST A MISTAKE.
IT WAS 'CAUSE HE'S NOT HERE NO LONGER ON THE BOARD.
THAT TYPO HAS BEEN RECOGNIZED AND CORRECTED AND IT'LL REFLECT ON THE SIGNED, APPROVED MINUTES.
IT WAS JUST PROBABLY AN HONEST MISTAKE.
DID YOU SECOND? I, I, I SECOND IT WITH, I GUESS WITH UNDERSTANDING THERE'LL BE A CORRECTION.
UM, ANGELA, WOULD YOU CALL ROLL MR. LAMORE? YES.
[4 Approval of Agenda (additions/deletions)]
ARE THERE ANY MODIFICATIONS OF THE AGENDA FROM WHAT WAS PUBLISHED IN THE PAPER? THERE ARE NO MODIFICATIONS TO THE AGENDA.UM, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA? I A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA.
ANGELA, WOULD YOU CALL ROLE MR. LAMORE? YES.
UM, NOW WE'RE AT THE, WE'RE, WE DON'T HAVE ANY CITIZEN COMMENTS, I BELIEVE.
UM, SO WE'RE AT NO, WE HAVE NO CONSENT AGENDA.
[7.a Case #243874 - Price Farm PD, Area 2a, Parcel 1 McDonalds - Request Approval of a Preliminary Site Plan for a 4,300-Square Foot Restaurant to be Located at the Southeast Corner of East Shelby Drive and South Houston Levee Road.]
THERE, OUR FIRST CASE THAT WE'RE GOING TO HEAR IS 2 4 3 8 7 4.DO YOU HAVE A PRESENTATION? YES, MA'AM.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TODAY.
THE PUR THE PURPOSE OF THIS AGENDA ITEM IS FOR A RECOMMENDATION OF A PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN FOR A DRIVE THROUGH RESTAURANT ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF SHELBY DRIVE IN SOUTH HOUSTON LEVY.
THE PROPERTY OWNER IS JIM WILSON ASSOCIATES AND CCMP HOLDINGS, AND THE APPLICANT IS PERMANENT SOLUTIONS REP REPRESENTING MCDONALD'S.
THE PROPERTY IS ZONED R ONE LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, BUT THE PD OVERLAY DOES ALLOW, USES PERMITTED IN SHOPPING CENTER, COMMERCIAL AND MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL OFFICE.
THE 4,300 SQUARE FOOT RESTAURANT WOULD BE ON 1.7 ACRES.
THERE'S ONE DRIVEWAY ON TO SHELBY DRIVE AND THEY
THERE IS NO DIRECT ACCESS TO HOUSTON LEVEE, BUT THE PROPERTY WILL HAVE ACCESS VIA DRIVE AISLE THAT CONNECTS TO SOUTH HOUSTON LEVEE.
THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED WITHIN AREA TWO A OF THE PRICE FORM PD, WHICH THE OUTLINE PLAN DESIGNATES AS VILLAGE CORE SOUTH THROUGH THIS PD.
THIS AREA IS INVI ENVISIONED AS AN EXTENSION OF THE RETAIL ACTIVITY IN CARRIAGE CROSSING MALL TO THE NORTH.
AS MENTIONED BEFORE, THE PD DOES ALLOW USES PERMITTED AND SEC ZONING DISTRICTS AND A DRIVE THROUGH RESTAURANT IS ALLOWED BY WRIGHT.
THERE ARE ADDITIONAL OUT PARCELS ALONG CHEVY DRIVE AND THOSE CAN BE USED FOR RETAIL PROFESSIONAL OFFICES AND OTHER RESTAURANTS.
AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE APPLICATION LAST WEEK AT THEIR MEETING ON MARCH 5TH.
CARRIAGE CROSSING MARKETPLACE WILL BE CONSIDERED A UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ONCE THE TWO PENDING PLATES ARE APPROVED AND RECORDED UNDER A UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT, THINGS SUCH AS BULK STANDARDS, UM, BUFFERS, SETBACKS, OPEN SPACES, HEIGHT, AND LOT SIZES ARE MEASURED FROM THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT BOUNDARY RATHER THAN THE INDIVIDUAL LOT.
THESE PLANS ARE CURRENTLY BEING REVIEWED BY STAFF ADMINISTRATIVELY AND ARE SEPARATE FROM THE PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN.
APPROVAL BRICK IS THE PRIMARY BUILDING, BUILDING MATERIAL ON ALL ELEVATIONS.
THE APPLICANT IS ALSO PROPOSING MATERIALS SUCH AS EFIS, SMOOTH METAL, METAL
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SIDING, AND THOSE ARE PROPOSED AS ACCENT MATERIALS.THESE BUILDING MATERIALS WILL BE OF MUTED AND OR EARTH TONE COLORS.
THE USE OF SMOOTH METAL, WHICH IS IDENTIFIED IN YELLOW ON YOUR SCREEN, AND METAL SIDING, WHICH IS IDENTIFIED IN THE GREEN AS A BUILDING MATERIAL, IS ALLOWED ONLY ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS PER THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
RECENTLY THE DRC HAS APPROVED ALUMINUM COMPOSITE PANELS AS AN EXTERIOR MATERIAL FOR CRASH CHAMPIONS AND THAT IS LOCATED ON HIGHWAY 72 AS IT WAS CONSIDERED A HIGHER QUALITY METAL.
THE CRASH CHAMPION APPLICANTS ALSO REQUESTED THE USE OF METAL ON THE REAR OF THE BUILDING, BUT IT WAS NOT APPROVED AS IT WAS NOT OF HIGH QUALITY AND IT WAS CORRUGATED METAL METAL.
THE APPLICANT DID PROVIDE A SIGHTLINE STUDY DEPICTING THAT THE ROOFTOP UNITS WILL BE SCREENED IN MOST AREAS ALONG CHEVY DRIVE.
A ROOFTOP TURBINE ON THE TRASH CA CORRAL WAS LOWERED TO ENSURE IT WILL BE SCREENED AND THAT THE TRASH ENCLOSURE WILL BE 10 FEET TALL, WHICH MATCHES THE PRIMARY BUILDING.
ON YOUR SLIDE, YOU WILL SEE THE SUBMITTED ROOFTOP STUDY.
THE AREA HIGHLIGHTED IN RED OR PINK, UM, ARE THE PLACES IN THE ROADWAY WHERE THE ROOFTOP UNIT MAY, UM, ON THE PRIMARY BUILDING MAY BE VISIBLE WITHIN THAT HIGHLIGHTED AREA.
THE APPLICANT STATES UP TO FOUR INCHES OTHER, THE ROOFTOP UNIT MAY BE VISIBLE AS YOU DRIVE WESTBOUND ON SHELBY DRIVE.
THERE ARE NO EXISTING TREES ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY TO BE REMOVED DURING DEVELOPMENT.
THERE ARE SOME EXISTING TREES WITHIN THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER ALONG BOTH STREETS.
HOWEVER, THOSE TREES ARE SEPARATE FROM THIS LOT FROM THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND IT WILL BE MAINTAINED BY THE OWNERS OF THE CARRIAGE CROSSING MARKETPLACE.
IT APPEARS THAT MAYBE ONE OR TWO TREES IN THAT BUFFER MAY BE REMOVED FOR THE CURB CUT ONTO SHELBY DRIVE.
THE LANDSCAPE PLAN MEETS THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT OF 34 TREES FOR A COMMERCIAL OUT OF THIS SIZE.
THERE'S APPROXIMATELY 37% FOUNDATIONAL PLANTINGS PROVIDED ALONG THE HOUSTON LEVEE FACADE.
THE PROPOSED MENU BOARDS, WHICH ARE CIRCLED IN RED ON YOUR SCREEN, ARE VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC GROUND AND THEREFORE THEY NEED A SIGNED PERMIT, WHICH IS CURRENTLY UNDER REVIEW BY STAFF.
THE BASE OF THOSE MENU BOARDS WILL NEED ADDITIONAL PLANTINGS ALONG THE BACK TO MEET THE ZONING ORDINANCE REQUIREMENT AND THAT STAYS AT ALL SIGN BASES IN CLEAN, INCLUDING MENU BOARD BASES, MENU BOARDS.
UM, SHELBY SCREENED WITH PLANTINGS ON ALL SIDES.
OUTDOOR SEATING HAS BEEN ADDED TO MEET THE PARKING REQUIREMENT TO ALLOW FOR MORE PARKING.
IT'S LOCATED, UM, NORTHWEST OF THE SITE IN FRONT OF THE NORTH ELEVATION.
WHEN THE FINAL SITE PLAN IS SUBMITTED, DETAILS OF OUTDOOR FURNITURE WILL BE REQUIRED FOR REVIEW AND THAT FURNITURE MUST BE EITHER MADE OF METAL STONE OR ROCK IRON AND MATERIALS SUCH AS TREATED LUMBER AND UNFINISHED WOOD IS PROHIBITED.
STAFF WILL ALSO REVIEW THE PHOTOMETRIC PLAN WITH THE FINAL SITE PLAN AND THAT WILL BE REQUIRED TO MEET THE TOWN'S REGULATIONS AS WELL.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN WITH CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.
THE SITE WILL BE CONSISTENT WITH THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND THE PARTS FORM PD.
NEXT STEPS FOR THE APPLICANT WOULD BE A BMA MEETING ON MARCH 23RD.
THEY HAVE TO SUBMIT A FINAL SIDE PLAN AND GET THEIR FINAL PLANS RECORDED AND ULTIMATELY APPLY FOR PERMITS.
AND THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS ON YOUR SCREEN AND THE APPLICANT IS IN AGREEMENT WITH ALL THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.
AND THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION AND I'M AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY.
ARE THERE, AND I DO HAVE EXTRA PICTURES IF YOU WANT TO SEE THINGS CLOSER UP.
IT SAID THAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO TAKE ONE TREE OUT, I THINK, OR HOW MANY TREES OUT? IT LOOKS LIKE ONE OR TWO.
I KIND OF GUESSTIMATE IT BASED ON THIS LITTLE, THESE PLANTS HERE AND THERE ARE, LOOKS LIKE TWO TREES THERE.
ARE ARE THERE ANY PLANS TO MAKE THE APPLICANT REPLACE THOSE? UM, THAT MAY MAYBE SOMETHING I NEED TO ASK THE, UM, THE APPLICANT.
UM, BUT THAT IS A REQUIRED BUFFER ALONG HOUSTON LEG AND SHELBY DRIVE.
BUT OF COURSE WITH DRIVE RATE CURBS, YOU CAN'T PUT A A TREE IN THAT AREA OF COURSE.
BUT IF IT'S, IF IT'S SOMETHING YOU WANT, MAYBE WE CAN ADD IT AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL.
POSSIBLY IF, IF YOU CAN'T PUT IT BACK THERE, MAYBE THERE'S, COULD BE AN ALTERNATE MM-HMM
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SOMEWHERE ELSE ON SITE.MAYBE A FLOWERING TREE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE FOR ANY OKAY.
UM, COULD YOU POINT OUT THE MENU BOARDS? IS IT THE, THE LIGHTER LINE WORK OR IS IT THE DARK? IT'S, YOU CAN SEE THAT.
AND THEN THE MENU BOARDS HERE.
WHAT, WHERE ARE THOSE PLANTS THAT ARE? UM, I THINK THEY WERE A LILY TURF, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.
IT'S IN THE LEGEND ON THE LANDSCAPE PLANT.
LN PART OF THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS MICROSCOPIC.
UH, UM, SO THAT'S A GROUND COVER.
IS THAT ENOUGH SCREENING HAVING A GROUND COVER? IT IS.
UM, ONLY EVERGREEN IS, IS, IS REQUIRED WHEN THERE'S A GROUND MOUNTED LIGHT FIXTURE.
UM, BUT THE, THE ZONING ORDINANCE STATES PLANTINGS.
IT DOESN'T SPECIFY EVERGREEN PLANTINGS.
IT JUST SAYS IT HAS TO BE AROUND THE WHOLE BASE OF THE SIGN.
I THINK WE MADE CHICK-FIL-A DO SOME PRETTY SERIOUS SCREENING.
UM, I THINK BECAUSE THEIR BUILDING WAS ORIENTED WEIRDLY AND THEIR BACK OF THEIR BUILDING WAS FRONTING POPLAR AVENUE, SO THEY HAD TO DO A LOT OF ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING THROUGH THERE.
I JUST DIDN'T KNOW WHETHER THAT WOULD BE PERMISSIBLE TO HAVE, HAVE A USE THAT AS A YEAH, IT, IT JUST SAYS PLANTINGS.
IT DOESN'T SPECIFY WHETHER IT'S EVERGREEN OR COUS.
UM, DOES THE DRC HANDLE, DO WE HANDLE THE LIKE TRASH RECEPTACLES OUTSIDE THAT ARE GONNA BE IN THE OUTDOOR SEATING? I LOVE OUTDOOR SEATING, BUT WITH THIS BEING NOT LIKE A, BEING SERVED MM-HMM
BY WAIT STAFF, UM, AND WITH THAT BEING RIGHT NEAR THE STREET IN THE CORNER, YEAH.
I THINK THERE WE MAY NEED SOME TRASH RECEPTACLES THAT ARE YES, THAT'S POSSIBLE.
THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED LIKE A HARDSCAPE FEATURE.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE USUALLY REVIEW, UM, WITH SITE PLANNING IT HAS TO KIND OF, IT HAS TO MATCH THE FURNITURE AS WELL OR, UM, BE CONSISTENT WITH THE BUILDING.
SO YES, WE CAN, UM, REVIEW THAT WHEN WE REVIEW THEIR FINAL SITE PLAN AND ENSURE THAT THEY HAVE SOMEHOW LIKE, COVERED AND MAKE SURE THAT IT'S NOT OVERFLOWING SINCE IT IS VERY VISIBLE.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN CONTROL IF THEY'RE NOT OVERFLOWING, BUT I CAN CONTROL HOW IT LOOKS.
MAYBE SOMEHOW COVERED OR, YEAH.
SINCE LIKE I SAID, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE LIKE THE HUEYS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
THEY'RE SERVED, THEY'RE CLEANING UP, BUT THIS IS, YOU KNOW, FAST FOOD YES.
WHERE PEOPLE CLEAN THEIR OWN THINGS, SO.
DO YOU ANTICIPATE THE SITE FURNISHINGS COMING BACK TO US FOR REVIEW OR YOUR IT WON'T, IT WILL JUST GO THROUGH DRT AND STAFF REVIEW.
UM, AND THEN THE BMA FOR FINAL APPROVAL, I KNOW WE HAD THAT, SOME OF THOSE ISSUES WITH THAT, YOU KNOW, THE CONVENIENCE STORE MM-HMM
THAT THEY HAVE NOT BUILT YET THAT WAS APPROVED.
THEY HAD OUTDOOR ON BEHALF AND WE HAD TO LOOK AT THE, THE TRASH RECEPTACLES AND MADE SURE IT MATCHED ALL THE YEAH.
GENERALLY THINGS LIKE THE FURNITURE AND THE HARDSCAPE, THEY USUALLY, IT'S REQUIRED AT THE FINAL SITE PLAN STAGE.
IT'S NOT REQUIRED AT THE PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN STAGE.
AND WE WILL ENSURE THAT THE FURNITURE WILL MEET THE DESIGN GUIDELINES AND ALSO HERE CHARLESTON HAS SOME ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS AS WELL.
IS THE, IS THERE A, IN THE PD, DOES IT REQUIRE CERTAIN SITE FURNISHINGS TO MATCH LIKE ALL THE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS? IT DOES, BUT IT IS TO THE DISCRETION OF THE PROPERTY OWNER, WHICH IS, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT HERE TODAY.
UM, BUT THEY, THE PROPERTY OWNER DID SIGN AN APPLICATION AND THEY ARE OKAY WITH THE ELEVATIONS.
UM, DID YOU HAVE A MATERIALS BOARD? IT'S RIGHT BEHIND YOU.
I'M, I'M CURIOUS HOW THE STORM WATER'S GONNA BE HANDLED ON THIS SITE.
UM, IS THAT PART OF THE, THAT'S PART OF THE PRELIMINARY AT THE PC.
STORMWATER DETENTION IS NOT REQUIRED WITH THIS SITE.
I WANT TO SEE IF I CAN, THERE IS AN INLET RIGHT HERE THAT'S EXISTING AND THEY'LL, THEY'LL BUILD THIS INLET HERE AND IT'LL DRAIN TO THAT.
THAT EVENTUALLY DRAINS TO NON-CON IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.
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OKAY.THE, THAT'S WHERE AT THE ENTRANCE? ENTRANCE OR IT'S OH YEAH.
IT IS LOCATED IN THE REAR AND IT'S ALSO LOCATED ON THE WEST ELEVATION AND PART OF THE NORTH ELEVATION.
WHAT'S CIRCLED IN YELLOW? GREEN IS THE SIDE.
HORIZONTALLY ROLLING ALUMINUM.
AND IS THAT, UM, SIMILAR TO WHAT WE APPROVED AT CRASH CHECK? THAT IS NOT, UM, WHAT WAS APPROVED AT CRASH CAMERAS WAS SMOOTHER AND IT WAS A PANEL SYSTEM
ASSUME THAT'S WHAT THE CITADEL A CM WALL PANELS.
IS THERE, UM, BUT IT'S GONNA MIMIC NO CRASH CHAMPIONS.
OH, IS THAT RIGHT THERE? I THINK THAT'S THIS ONE.
IS THAT, IS THAT SHADE OF WHITE AN APPROVED COLOR? IS THIS JUST THAT COLOR WHITE? IT LOOKS SORT OF OFF LIGHT VISUALLY TO ME, BUT WHICH, WHICH COLOR? WHICH IT'S ON THIS SAMPLE BOARD OVER HERE.
IF IT'S TRIM AND ACCENT, IT'S ALLOWED.
IS IT, IS IT A COLOR THAT WORKS? YEAH, AS LONG AS IT'S TRIM AND ACCENT.
ARE THERE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I DO HAVE ONE OR I DON'T KNOW, IT'S AN OBSERVATION OR A QUESTION OR WHATEVER.
UH, ANALYZING THE LANDSCAPE PLAN.
I LOOKED AT IT, OF COURSE IT SHRUNK DOWN, SO IT'S REALLY HARD TO MM-HMM
BUT SOME OF THE SHRUBBERY, UH, LOOKED TO ME LIKE THEY WERE, THE SCALE WAS LARGE FOR IT, SO I, I LOOKED AT THE LITTLE BAR SCALE AND SCALED IT OFF MM-HMM
AND THEY'RE WHAT'S CALLED COMPACTA HOLLYS, WHICH IS A BASIC SHRUB THAT GOES IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
THEY DON'T GET REALLY HUGE MM-HMM
OVER TIME, BUT THEY'RE JUST A TYPICAL, IT'S FOUNDATION LANDSCAPE SHRUB, WHICH IS FINE UHHUH, BUT THEY WERE FIVE FEET APART.
AND, YOU KNOW, WELL THE WAY IT WAS DRAWN, UH, THE PLANT SCHEDULE ON THERE, THEY TYPICALLY SAY WHAT YOUR SCHEDULE, I MEAN, WHEN YOU WRITE THESE THINGS UP MM-HMM
YOU SAY WHAT THEIR SPACING IS FOUR FOOT ON CENTER, EIGHT FOOT ON CENTER, WHATEVER.
WHICH MEANS YOU HAVE TO SCALE IT OFF.
WHEN IS THAT SKULL? AND, AND THAT'S REALLY NOT AN ADEQUATE DISTANCE.
THAT'S A TOO FAR FOR A SMALL THROAT.
IT'D BE GREAT FOR WITH A GREAT BIG HOLLY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE AROUND THREE TO THREE AND A HALF IN ORDER TO GIVE A PROPER COVERAGE.
YOU SEE, THAT'S, THAT'S REAL FAR APART FOR A SMALL SCRUB.
UH, THE OTHER OBSERVATION WAS ON THE SPECS, EVERYTHING IS AT 24 INCHES.
EVERYTHING, THERE'S NO VARIABILITY, WHICH CAN BE FINE, BUT, UH, MONKEY GRASS OR L ELK, WHAT'S CALLED LEARY ELK DOESN'T GROW TO BE TWO FEET TALL.
SO THAT, THAT NEEDS TO BE ALTERED OR, OR CHANGED.
AND THE OTHER THING THAT I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT IS THE ISLAND THAT SPLITS UP THE, WHERE THE TWO CARS COME TOGETHER, YOU KNOW, WHERE THEY SPLIT OFF TO THE MENU BOARDS.
UM, THERE'S ABOUT A 20 FOOT SECTION IN THERE WITH NOTHING SHOWN.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THAT WAS PLANNED AS, IS IT THIS FLOWERS OR, OR THEY PLANNING THAT FOR ANNUAL COLOR? OR IS IT JUST AN OPEN, EMPTY SPACE? OH, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THIS AREA HERE? YEAH, THAT LITTLE NO, NO, DOWN, DOWN FROM THERE.
THAT BETWEEN THE, WE SEE WHERE IT SPLITS OFF THE IDLE AND RIGHT WHEN YOU OFF THE SIGNS RIGHT PAST THE, THE MENU.
THE BY THE, BUT THE MENU BOARD IS OH, HERE.
I SCALE THAT OFF AND THAT'S ABOUT A 20 FOOT SECTION.
AND THE PLANTS ON THERE WHERE I LIKE 'EM THEY ARE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE JUST, JUST OUS PLANTS, BUT THERE'S NOTHING DOWN THERE.
SO I WAS WONDERING IF THAT WERE THERE WERE PLANTING OF USE FLOWERS OR GROUND COVER OR SOMETHING TO FILL THAT VOID? YEAH, WE CAN ASK THE APPLICANT THAT.
WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO COME FORWARD? HI, I AM DREW STOKES.
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FROM 1 7 7 BRANDON WOODS DRIVE IN SPRINGFIELD, TENNESSEE.AND I'M THE CIVIL ENGINEER ON THE, ON THE JOB.
AND SO, UH, WE'VE, UH, OUR, OUR, MY, UH, COWORKERS HAVE PREPARED THE LANDSCAPE PLAN SO I CAN HELP ANSWER QUESTIONS.
UM, UH, THANK YOU FOR THE STAFF REPORT AND I, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE FEEL FREE.
SO, UH, YOU, YOU COULD ASK HIM.
UM,
YOU KNOW, THAT ISLAND I WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT.
YOU'VE GOT A, LIKE A 20 FOOT VOID.
IT'S, IT'S PRETTY SPARSE FOR, FOR LANDSCAPING IN IT AS A MEDIUM.
AND I, I DIDN'T KNOW WHETHER THAT VOID WAS PLANNED FOR SEASONAL COLOR.
I KNOW A LOT OF MCDONALD'S AROUND HERE WILL, WILL HAVE SEASONAL COLOR MIXED IN OR THEY'LL USE SOME PERENNIALS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
BUT THIS IS VOID OF A LOT OF DETAILS.
THE OTHER MCDONALD'S UP HERE HAS A LOT OF DETAIL AND A LOT OF MATERIALS IN IT.
AND THIS, THIS IS JUST RELATIVELY SPARSE MM-HMM
AND, UM, I'M ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THAT WHEN YOU ACTUALLY SCALE IT OFF, THE DISTANCES IS ARE PRETTY GREAT.
THE, THE DISTANCES, UM, I I WILL SAY WE, WE CAN SCOOT THOSE CLOSER TOGETHER.
THAT'S, THAT'S NO PROBLEM THERE.
UM, AS FOR THE, THE LANDSCAPE OR THE ISLAND BETWEEN THE MENU BOARDS, WE TYPICALLY LEAVE THAT TO THE OPERATOR TO PLANT FLOWERS.
UM, WITH SOMETHING SO SMALL LIKE THAT, WE DON'T SHOW THAT ON OUR PLAN TOO OFTEN.
WE CAN THOUGH, IF THEY, WELL, IT'S BEST TO AT LEAST IDENTIFY THE SPACES SPACE FOR ANNUALS OR PERENNIALS OR WHATEVER.
BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS THAT GIVES THEM CARTE BLANCHE NOT TO DO ANYTHING.
YOU KNOW, AND, AND THE MAINTENANCE COMPANIES WILL LOVE TO DO THINGS THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING FOR.
SO WE, WE WANT THIS TO LOOK SPIFFY AS WELL.
AND YOU DON'T WANT ANYTHING TO LOOK LIKE IT'S JUST A BIG MISTAKE OR WHAT IS THAT? YOU MIGHT AS WELL PUT CONCRETE ON IT.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA PUT ANYTHING IN IT.
YEAH, WE CAN, WE CAN SHOW RIGHT.
THAT, THAT WOULD BE A LOT, I THINK MORE HELPFUL.
AND TO SORT OF LOOK AT YOUR SPACING AND JUST SAYING FOR THE FUTURE, TYPICALLY YOU DO ON YOUR PLANT SCHEDULE, YOU DO PUT THE SPACING ON THERE SO THAT WHOEVER READS THE PLAN KNOWS.
AND THE, AS A CONTRACTOR, I'D LOVE THIS.
I'D LOOK AT THIS AND I GO, MAN, I'M MAKE A LOT OF MONEY AT THIS 'CAUSE I DON'T HAVE TO DO THIS AND THAT AND THE OTHER.
SO IT, IT'S GOTTA BE SPECIFIED ON HERE.
'CAUSE YOU WANT YOUR CONTRACTORS, WHOEVER DOES IT, AND I'M SURE MCDONALD'S ISN'T HURTING FOR MONEY TO BE ABLE TO MAKE IT LOOK REALLY NICE.
SO, UH, JUST SAYING IT, IT'S BETTER TO HAVE, THE MORE DETAILS YOU PROVIDE, THE MORE WE UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN OUT THERE.
EVEN IF YOU DID PERENNIAL GRASSES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
EVEN AT THE TOP, THERE'S JUST A WHOLE ROW OF JUST MULCH, WHICH YOU COULD EITHER BRING YOUR SHRUBS DOWN OR DO SOMETHING IN FRONT OF IT.
WHERE, WHERE AT, AT THE TOP, UH, TOP OF THE YEAH.
WHERE DID YOU, COULD YOU, OH YEAH.
WELL, YEAH, WE'VE GOT SHRUBS IN THERE.
UM, BUT WE CAN, WE CAN PUSH THOSE SHRUBS CLOSER TO THE, TO THE ROAD, TO THE, UH, PARKING LOT.
SO THERE'S NOT AS MUCH OF A, I ALSO, I JUST WANNA SAY A OBSERVATION ON THIS.
I MEAN, WE, I'VE BEEN KIND OF BIG ON THIS BECAUSE I KNOW FOR THROUGH YEARS AND YEARS OF PRACTICE AROUND HERE AND IN GENERAL, THAT YOU WANT AVOID SOMETHING CALLED A MONOCULTURE.
AND THE REASON YOU DO THAT IS BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE ONE SPECIFIC PLANT AND YOU'RE USING A WHOLE LOT OF 'EM, THEN IT'S SUSCEPTIBLE MORE TO DISEASE.
SO IT'S OFTEN MORE PRUDENT TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF VARIATION ON PLANTS.
YOU KNOW, LIKE IF YOU'VE GOT, INSTEAD OF COMPACTORS, MAYBE YOU COULD USE GROUPS OF COMPACTORS AND MAYBE IN THE CENTER A DIFFERENT SHRUB.
SO THAT ONE DISEASE DOESN'T JUST WIPE IT OUT.
LIKE WHAT'S HAPPENED WITH THE, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE ROSES MM-HMM
SPECIES, THE KNOCKOUT ROSES WHERE, BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY, THERE ARE SO DRIVEN, THEN THEY'VE GOT THE VIRAL PROBLEM AND IT JUST WIPES OUT AN ENTIRE, ENTIRE THING.
THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED UP NORTH.
ALL THESE TREES WERE WIPED OUT BECAUSE IT WAS A MONOCULTURE.
IT WAS ONE PLANT, ONE TREE, AND DISEASE JUST RAVISHED EVERYTHING.
SO YEAH, JUST, YOU KNOW, IT'S BETTER FOR THE LONG DISTANCE.
WE'RE LOOKING AT LONG DISTANCE.
WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT SHORT DISTANCE HERE BECAUSE WE'RE ALL GONNA BE HERE FOR A LONG TIME AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT LOOKS GOOD AND IT STAYS LOOKING GOOD.
SO THAT, THAT'S MY MAIN CON, THAT'S MY MAIN CONCERN.
UM, AND THEN THE PLANTINGS AROUND THE DUMPSTER.
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I DON'T THINK WE'LL GET THAT TALL.IT'S THE I-LAB LABRA, WHICH IS INK BERRY.
UM, IT'S A NATIVE, IT'S A NATIVE PLANT, BUT IT DOESN'T, THEY DON'T TYPICALLY GET, THEY'RE NOT LIKE AN AMERICAN HOLLY OR A FOSTER HOLLY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
WOULD YOU, WOULD YOUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT BE ABLE TO REVISE THIS IN TIME FOR THE NEXT MEETING? YEAH, 100%.
AND MAKE SURE THEY STAMP IT TOO.
UM, ANYTHING ELSE YOU NOTICED? I THINK Y'ALL HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THAT.
UM, DO YOU GOOD POINTS THOUGH.
I APPRECIATE THE CONVERSATION.
UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? NO.
WELL NOW WE WILL DISCUSS AMONGST OURSELVES.
UM, I GUESS THE FIRST ITEM WOULD BE THAT BUILDING MATERIALS.
CAN YOU GO BACK TO THAT PATIO? IS THAT WHAT THAT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE? NO, THAT'S CREATED BY STAFF.
THAT'S NOT WHAT IT MAY LOOK LIKE.
UM, DO WE HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH THIS METAL THING? MM-HMM
CAN I ASK YOU THE, ON THAT? I THINK IT'S A SIZE, WHATEVER THAT SIZE METAL PANEL IS.
THE, YOU KNOW, WE DISCUSSED THE A CM PANELS ON CRASH CHAMPIONS AND, AND IT'S A MUCH IMPROVED, YOU KNOW, ARCHITECTURAL SYSTEM.
I THINK IT'S REALLY PRETTY FROM Y'ALL'S EXPERIENCE WITH THAT OTHER METAL PANEL, HAS THAT BEEN A TYPICAL APPROVAL FOR SCREENING? I MEAN, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S SORT OF JUST, IT'S DETAILED IN AND USED FOR SAY, SCREENING.
I DON'T GUESS IT REALLY IS SCREENING.
IS IT, IS IT A DESIGN ELEMENT OR IS IT SCREENING? ARE WE COVERING SOMETHING WITH THAT? NO, IT'S, IT'S JUST A, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S JUST A DESIGN ELEMENT AT THE, AT THE TOP.
I JUST WASN'T SURE IF THAT'S A PANEL WE'VE APPROVED IN THE PAST OR HAVE YOU SEEN IT? I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THAT'S THE EXACT SAME, WE'RE SOMETHING SIMILAR TO MATERIAL THAT'S SIMILAR YEAH.
TO WHAT WE LOOKED AT, BUT IT'S DOESN'T LOOK QUITE THE SAME, DOES IT? UM, SO WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING? I'D LIKE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
I'M LOCATED AT 1 45 EAST NORTH STREET, INDIANAPOLIS, INDIANA.
AND, UH, I, I THINK I CAN ANSWER, UH, ANY QUESTIONS THAT I'VE, I'VE HEARD DISCUSSED AMONGST YOU.
IF, UM, JUST ASK AWAY AND I'LL DO MY BEST TO ANSWER.
REALLY, UH, INTERNALLY, JUST MORE CURIOUS ON THE APPROVAL OF METAL IN GENERAL, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN FAIRLY CONSISTENT OR WE USED TO NEVER APPROVE METAL, I DON'T BELIEVE, OR VERY SEL, IT'S JUST EXACT SENSE.
IT WASN'T AS A MAJOR COMPONENT TYPICALLY, BUT THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS, CERTAIN MATERIALS.
WHAT, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE THE ARCHITECT MM-HMM
KNEW EXACTLY WHAT WAS, I DON'T HAVE ANY, YOU KNOW, PARTY OR, OR MORE APPROVED MM-HMM
THAN, THAN, SO THE METAL, THE METAL WAS ADDED NOT BECAUSE IT'S INEXPENSIVE FOR, TO COVER ANYTHING.
IT'S ACTUALLY MORE EXPENSIVE THAN THE BRICK.
UH, WE THOUGHT IT, UH, I DID, I'M I'M AN INDEPENDENT ARCHITECT AND SO WHEN MCDONALD'S HIRED ME TO, UH, UH, TO UH, TAKE ON THIS PROJECT BECAUSE OF, UH, I MEAN YOU HAVE SOME EXCELLENT GUIDELINES BY THE WAY.
THE A THE COLLIERVILLE DESIGN GUIDELINES.
I'VE REFERENCED OTHER MUNICIPALITIES OF, YOU MIGHT WANT TO LOOK AT THIS TO, TO SEE HOW TO, YOU KNOW, HELP THE ARCHITECTS KNOW HOW TO DESIGN BUILDINGS IN YOUR COMMUNITY.
UM, SO I SAW THOSE AS ENHANCING THE LOOK OF THE BUILDING.
UM, BUT THEY'RE NOT COVERING ANYTHING OR THEY'RE NOT NECESSARY.
I, THEY, THEY ARE MEANT TO BE, UM, LIKE I SAID, JUST TO ADD SOME VARIETY TO THE BUILDING.
SO, AND THEY ARE, UH, 20 GAUGE METAL, UH, KR FINISH.
SO THEY WILL LAST OUR LIFETIME.
UH, THEY'RE NOT RESIDENTIAL QUALITY SIDING.
I, MY BACKGROUND WAS IN STEEL.
UH, THAT'S WHERE I GOT MY START STANDING.
SO YES, JUST REALLY MORE CURIOUS, YOU KNOW, THAT IT'S OF A QUALITY AND A GAUGE OF STEEL THAT'S
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NOT GONNA OIL CAN AND NO BE UNSIGHTLY.MAYBE NOT YOU, BUT THEY WILL OUTLIVE
YOU THINK I'M YOUNGER THAN I I DO.
ARE WE STILL AT 70%? WAS IT 70% MASONRY? YES.
UM, THERE IS A, A MATERIALS PERCENTAGES SHEET, UH, THAT WERE, WAS INCLUDED IN DOCUMENTS, UH, PACKAGE THAT, UH, YOU CAN SEE THE, UM, ALL THE PERCENTAGES AND WE'RE, WE'RE WELL ABOVE WITH THE BRICK AND 80% THE, THE SIDING IS, UM, IS RELEGATED TO THE REAR PORTIONS OF THE BUILDING.
UH, JUST, BUT WE JUST WANTED TO GIVE IT A, UH, JUXTAPOSITION TO WHAT WE DID UP FRONT TO ADD SOME INTEREST ON THAT BACK END SO THAT IT GIVES A TRUE FORESIGHTED ARCHITECTURAL FIELD.
I, I THINK AS LONG AS IT'S A, A STURDY MATERIAL, THE ONLY, THE ONLY THING THAT I HAVE ABOUT ALUMINUM OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT IS, IS A WORRY THAT THERE WOULD BE DENTS OR, OR YOU'D HAVE FLAKING OF THE COLORS OR SOMETHING.
THAT THAT'S THE ONLY REAL, IT'S VERY UV RESISTANT.
THAT PANEL SHOULD BE FAIRLY RIGID WITH THAT GAUGE AND THE WAY THAT IT'S LOCKED IN.
I DON'T THINK IT'LL, YOU KNOW, IF IT, IF YOU SAID 26 GAUGE, 20 GAUGE EIGHT GAUGE, IF YOU'D SAID 26 OR 28, I WOULD'VE BEEN CONCERNED.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, REALLY JUST MORE WHETHER YOU GUYS THINK IT'S AN APPROPRIATE USAGE FOR THE BREAK.
I MEAN THE FACADE GENERALLY LOOKS PRETTY GOOD TO ME.
UM, DON, I, THE TEXTURE OF THE VISUAL TEXTURE OF, OF THE ABOVE THE WINDOWS THERE LOOKS PRETTY GOOD.
DO YOU HAVE ANY CONCERNS WITH THE METAL? I DO NOT.
ANYBODY THINK IT'S OKAY? I I JUST BY COMMENT IS I KIND OF LIKE THE, A LITTLE BIT OF VARIATION.
I THINK THE DIMENSION STUFF, I THINK IT COULD BE BLEND COULD BLEND VERY WELL AND MAKE THE BUILDING LOOK CLASSY.
IT'S, I MEAN, YEAH, JUST LOOKING AT IT, DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUES SUCH A SMALL AMOUNT AND IT MOSTLY TO THE REAR.
UM, AS FAR AS THE YOU AND DONE QUITE SAID THAT, THAT WHAT THE FOUR INCHES YOU COULD SEE, WAS IT FOUR INCHES THAT WERE VISIBLE OF THE YES, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.
I MEAN, PERSONALLY I DON'T THINK THAT'S A PROBLEM.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE, WHAT THE, UH, EXCUSE MAYOR, BOARD MAYOR ALL DON'T THINK.
I MEAN, I MEAN IF I'M BEING FOUR INCHES BLUNT, AND THIS IS NO INDICATION OF HOW I FEEL, I'LL ASK THE QUESTION BLUNTLY IS IF WE'RE ALMOST COVERING IT, WHY ARE WE NOT COVERING IT? I MEAN THAT WOULD BE THE OBVIOUS QUESTION.
AND THAT IS YEAH, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
SO WE ARE, WE TOOK THE PARAPET, THE LOWER PARAPET UP AS HIGH AS WE COULD BEFORE.
OUR STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS SAID IF YOU GO ANY HIGHER, YOU WILL HAVE SNOW DRIFTING.
'CAUSE IT DOES SNOW IN TENNESSEE.
NOT OFTEN, BUT THAT WOULD EXCEED THE, IT WOULD START TO STRESS THE ROOF AND IT WOULD ALSO THE WIND LOAD ON THAT.
SO WE TOOK IT UP AS HIGH AS WE COULD, UM, WITHOUT GOING TO, YOU KNOW, UH, GETTING CRAZY WITH THE STRUCTURE THAT FOUR INCHES, I DON'T EVEN THINK IT'S FOUR INCHES.
I USED A ESCALADE CADILLAC ESCALADE AS YOUR VIEWPOINT OFF THE ROAD.
THE CAR I DROVE HERE, YOU WOULDN'T SEE IT.
UM, YOU'D HAVE TO BE IN MISSISSIPPI TO SEE THE, THE SIDE, THE TOP OF THESE UNITS.
UH, BECAUSE, UH, NONE OF THE SURROUNDING STREETS GIVE YOU A VIEW OTHER THAN THAT ONE WHERE THERE'S JUST A GLIMPSE WHERE THE ONE HIGH PARAPET, ANOTHER HIGH PARAPET, WHICH YOU'LL SEE AT AN ANGLE AS YOU'RE GOING DOWN SHELBY, IT'S GONNA BE LIKE THAT QUICK PASS UNLESS YOU'RE WALKING, THEN YOU MIGHT, UM, AND THERE ARE SOME RENDERINGS.
THE, THE, UM, THAT'S THE VIEW THAT YOU WOULD ACTUALLY SEE FROM THE WESTBOUND, UH, UH, EAST SHELBY.
THE OTHER VIEW, IF YOU LOOK VERY CLOSELY AT THAT, THAT RAISED PARAPET TO THE, TO THE LEFT, MOST LEFT, YOU'LL SEE IF YOU LOOK REAL CAREFULLY, THERE IS A LITTLE SLIVER.
AND THAT IS, THAT'S THE PERSPECTIVE VIEW THAT YOU'LL SEE.
AND THAT'S GONNA BE FOR A NANOSECOND.
SO, BUT I WANTED TO BE HONEST AND SAY, OKAY, THERE IS YOU, THERE COULD BE A PLACE WHERE YOU WOULD CATCH A GLIMPSE OF IT.
UM, ARE THERE ANY MORE DISCUSSION QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ARE WE READY TO MAKE OR READY TO LOOK AT THE MOTION AND SEE IF WE WANNA ADD ANYTHING TO IT ABOUT CHANGING THE LANDSCAPE? WE NEED TO ADD THAT TO THE YEAH.
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WOULD BE TO HAVE A MOTION MADE.I THINK NUMBER EIGHT WOULD HAVE TO BE, UM, TO, UH, IMPROVE SPACING OF THE PLANTS SHOWN.
UM, ALSO TO DELINEATE WHERE THERE WOULD BE ADDITIONAL PERENNIALS OR SEASONAL COLOR OR ADD ADDITIONAL PLANTS TO THE ISLAND AND OTHER VACANT SPACES SHOWN IN THERE.
AND COULD YOU SAY THE SECOND PART? COULD YOU SAY THE SECOND PART ONE MORE TIME? I WANNA WRITE IT DOWN.
UM, IMPROVE THE SPACING AND ADD, UH, THE ADD ADDITION OF ADDITIONAL PLANTS OR SEASONAL COLOR, AT LEAST MARKET WHERE IT'S GONNA BE.
AND, UH, I THINK, I THINK IT NEEDS, YOU NEED, THEY NEED TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF, UM, MORE DEFINITION ABOUT SPACING.
I, THEY NEED TO WRITE THE SPACING ON THE, ON THE LEGEND OF EACH THING.
THE HEIGHT LEERY UP IS NOT 24 INCHES TALL.
IT WON'T MAKE THAT BIG, BUT, SO JUST, JUST MAKE THAT A LITTLE BIT CLEARER.
AND WHAT ELSE IS THERE BETTER? UM, SCREENING AROUND THE DUMPSTER.
PLANTS THAT ARE MORE APPROPRIATE.
AND WE WILL ACTUALLY DO SOME SCREENING.
WILL THIS STILL BE PART OF EIGHT? YEAH.
ANYTHING ELSE? ANYTHING ELSE? ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER, I THINK THAT COVERS IT.
DO YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION AS SEEN ON YOUR SCREEN? YEAH, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, UH, APPROVE, UH, WITH THE, UH, EXCEPTIONS NOTED.
AND, UH, AND THE, UH, SUGGESTIONS.
WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL WRONG? ARE YOU APPROVING THE PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN? WE'RE APPROV IT WITH THE, TO ADD AS A CONDITION OF WITH THE ADDED CONDITIONS, ALL THE ADDED CONDITIONS THERE THAT ARE BOTH NOTED AND THAT WE'VE ADDED.
UM, THIS WAS APPROVED, UM, WITH CONDITIONS.
UM, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE ON THE AGENDA? NO MA'AM.
UM, WOULD YOU LIKE TO TALK ABOUT
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DEVELOPMENT UPDATES? YEAH.UM, SO RIGHT NOW I CAN'T THINK OF ANY NEW CASES YOU WOULD BE GETTING JUST YET.
UM, WE DO HAVE A CUP THAT WAS SUBMITTED FOR AUTOZONE ON SOUTH HOUSTON LEVY RIGHT ABOVE SONIC.
UM, THEY'RE GOING THROUGH THE CUP PROCESS THAT MAY NOT COME HERE, DEPENDING ON THEIR ELEVATIONS BECAUSE IT'S A, IT WOULD GO STRAIGHT TO FINAL, SO YOU MAY NOT SEE THAT.
THAT'S ALL I CAN THINK OF RIGHT NOW.
THAT MAY COME TO Y'ALL IN THE FUTURE.
DID Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT DEVELOPMENT? IS I DO HAVE A QUESTION.
UM, I REMEMBER WE, WE HAD APPROVED THE CHICK-FIL-A AND THEN IT GOT KIND OF THROWN OUT, UH MM-HMM
BOARD OF MAYOR ALDERMAN AND THEN NOW THERE'S COURT CASE OR WHAT'S THE STATUS ON THAT OR OH, DO THEY, DO THEY HAVE TO BRING ANYTHING BACK BEFORE THE STAFF OR ARE THEY JUST HAVE THEY'VE GOTTEN, THEY, IF THEY GOT OUR APPROVAL AND THE, SO THEY'LL HAVE TO GO TO THE BMA FOR APPROVAL ON THE PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN AND ALL THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL FROM THE PREVIOUS DRC MEETING IN 2023.
WILL STILL STAND AND IF THEN IT GETS APPROVED, IT WILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH STAFF REVIEW, BUT IT WON'T COME BACK TO THE DRC UNLESS THEY'RE PROPOSING SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T MEET THE DESIGN GUIDELINES.