* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:01] THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA [Planning Commission on February 5, 2026.] AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. HI EVERYBODY. WELCOME. AND CASE CALLED DR. GREEN. HERE. DR. BATE. I'M SORRY, MR. BATE HERE. I DIDN'T HAVE PROMOTION. YEAH, MY APOLOGIES. MR. SLED? MR. ROZANSKI? HERE. MS. FLETCHER? HERE. MR. GIVEN. HERE. MR. DUBOSE? HERE. MR. STAMPS HERE. MR. COTTON HERE. FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS. TONIGHT IS APPROVAL OF OUR JANUARY 6TH MEETING MINUTES, AND I'M SURE EVERYONE HAS LOOKED ON THOSE AS ANY ADDITIONS OR DELETIONS. IF NOT, CALL A MOTION TO APPROVE. MOTION MADE THE SECOND ANSWER. CALL WILL MS. FLETCHER? YES. MR. GIBBON? YES. MR. DUBOSE? YES. DR. GREEN? YES. MR. BATES? YES. MR. ROZANSKI? YES. MR. STAMPS AB SUSTAIN MR. COTTON? YES. ALRIGHT. UH, JAMIE, ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONS OR ISSUES TO THE PUBLISHED AGENDA FOR TONIGHT? THERE IS ONE CHANGE I WANNA BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION. WHEN WE ORIGINALLY ADVERTISED, WE HAD THREE ITEMS AS A VOTING ITEM THAT ONE OF THE THIRD 1, 2, 2 PRIVATE SECTOR ITEMS AND ONE, UH, VOTING ITEM BEING THE CHANGES TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE, THE PROPOSED CHANGES. UH, WE DIDN'T HAVE THE CHANGES READY TO RELEASE TO YOU YET. SO THE CHANGE TO THE AGENDA IS MOVING THE CHANGES TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE UNDER OTHER BUSINESS AS A NON-VOTING ITEM. I'LL GIVE YOU AN UPDATE WHEN WE GET TO THAT PART ABOUT HOW THE DA RETRIEVE PLAN AND SEND THE FEEDBACK THAT THEY GAVE THAT THAT'S THE ONLY CHANGE. ALRIGHT. EXCUSE ME. I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA WITH THAT CAVEAT THAT, UH, JAMIE, JUST IT, SIR. SECOND MOTION. MAYOR SECOND. AND YOU PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. MR. GI? YES. MR. DUBOSE? YES. MR. STAMPS? YES. DR. GREEN? YES. MR. BATES? YES. MR. ROZANSKI? YES. MS. FLETCHER? YES. MS. MR. COTTON? YES MA'AM. THANK YOU. UM, NOW WE'VE NOW COME TO PART OF OUR, UH, MEETING WHERE IF YOU ARE A CITIZEN OF CARTER AND YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME FORWARD, TELL US WHAT'S ON YOUR MIND. DOESN'T HAVE TO BE RELATED TO LAW. DON'T EVERYONE RUSH TO THE PODIUM. OKAY. THANK YOU. WE'LL MOVE ON. WE HAVE NO CONSENT AGENDA TONIGHT, SO WE'LL MOVE, MOVE RIGHT INTO THE FORMAL AGENDA AND THAT IS, UH, CASE NUMBER 2 5 2 1 0 1. AND RON, ARE YOU GONNA MAKE THAT PRESENTATION? YES, SIR. YES MA'AM. GOOD EVENING AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TODAY. THE PURPOSE OF THIS AGENDA ITEM IS FOR A PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN FOR A NEW MIXED USE BUILDING LOCATED AT TWO 15 SOUTH CENTER STREET. THE PROPERTY OWNER IS MACKLEMORE AND COMPANY REALTY AND THE APPLICANT IS MCCARTY GRANDBERRY ENGINEERING. THE PROPERTY IS LOT TWO OF THE SOUTH CENTER SUBDIVISION AND IT'S ALSO ZONED CB CENTRAL BUSINESS. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS WITHIN THE LOCAL HISTORIC OVERLAY AND IS KNOWN AS THE JOSEPH A. CAMPBELL HOUSE. IT IS ALSO INDIVIDUALLY LISTED ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES. THE HOME WAS CONSTRUCTED AROUND 1876 AND THEN REBUILT IN 1898. IN THE 1990S, THE BUILDING WAS ADALY REUSED AS OFFICE SPACE, THEN IN TWO THOU IN 2019, IN DECEMBER OF 2019, THE HCC DENIED A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR A DEMOLITION FINDING THAT IT STILL HAD HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE. THE BUILDING WAS USED AS A RESTAURANT, WHICH WAS GUSTED FRIED CHICKEN FROM 2008 2022. BUT IT HAS REMAINED VACANT SINCE 2022. IN 2025, A CERTIFICATE OF ECONOMIC HARDSHIP WAS CONDITIONALLY GRANTED BY THE HGC IN AUGUST OF LAST YEAR, AND THIS WAS TO, TO DEMOLISH THIS BUILDING. LASTLY, THE HISTORIC DISTRICT COMMISSION APPROVED A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN ON THE 22ND OF JANUARY. HOWEVER, THE FINAL SITE PLAN WILL HAVE TO GO BEFORE THE HCC AGAIN THIS MONTH FOR EXTERIOR ELEVATIONS. A FOUR STORY MIXED USE BUILDING DESIGNED TO MATCH THE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS AROUND THE TOWN SQUARE IS BEING PROPOSED. TONIGHT, THE BUILDING WILL HAVE A FOOTPRINT OF APPROXIMATELY 6,700 [00:05:01] SQUARE FEET WITH A TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE JUST UNDER 26,000 SQUARE FEET FOR ALL THREE FLOORS COMBINED WITH THE ROOFTOP AMENITY AREA ON THE FOURTH FLOOR. 12 DWELLINGS ARE PROPOSED ABOVE THE RETAIL AND OFFICE SPACES WITH A DENSITY OF 17.14 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE. AND SINCE THE ZONING DISTRICT IS CENTRAL BUSINESS SETBACKS WERE STRUCTURE, ARE STRUCTURE ARE DETERMINED BY THEIR USE AS THIS BEING, UH, MIXED USE. THE FRONT FACADE ZONE IS ALLOWED TO BE BETWEEN ZERO TO 15 FEET AND THE SIDE AND REAR SETBACK IS ALLOWED TO BE ZERO FEET. THE BUILDING IS SITUATED WITHIN A FRONT FACADE ZONE OF SOUTH CENTER STREET AT ABOUT APPROXIMATELY 11 FEET, AND THEN IT'S ABOUT THREE FEET BACK FROM WEST SOUTH STREET. THERE IS A 78 FOOT SIDE SETBACK TO THE WEST AND A 0.53 SETBACK TO THE NORTH. THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY ONTO SOUTH CENTER STREET AND ACROSS ACCESS TO THE NORTH WILL BE REMOVED DURING CONSTRUCTION. THERE WILL BE ONLY ONE ENTRANCE INTO THE DEVELOPMENT FROM WEST SOUTH STREET AND THE NEW ENTRANCE FROM SOUTH STREET WILL BE MOVED TO THE WEST. JUST A BIT REDEVELOPMENT FROM A RESTAURANT TO MIXED USE WOULD NOT ADVER ADVERSELY IMPACTED THE LOCAL ROADWAY NETWORKS. WHEN GUS'S RESTAURANT WAS IN OPERATION, IT PRODUCED ABOUT 318 AVERAGE DAILY TRIPS. HOWEVER, THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WERE PRODUCED ABOUT 240 TO AVERAGE DAILY TRIPS. AND THIS IS BASED ON THE PROPOSED USES. THERE WOULD BE AN AM PEAK HOUR OF 33 VEHICLES AND A PM PEAK HOUR OF 29 VEHICLES. THERE ARE 16 UNGATED PARKING SPACES ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE SITE, AND THERE ARE 23 GATED SPACES PROPOSED TO THE NORTH. THERE ARE ALSO FIVE ANGLED STREET FIVE ANGLE ON STREET PARKING SPACES ALONG SOUTH CENTER STREET. AND THIS WILL BE CONSTRUCTED WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT. I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT THE TOWN ZONING ORDINANCE DOES NOT REQUIRE OFF STREET PARKING FOR DEVELOPMENTS WITHIN THE CENTRAL BUSINESS ZONING DISTRICT. THE EXISTING SITE CONTAINS SEVERAL TREES, WHICH WE WILL BE REMOVED DURING CONSTRUCTION. MINIMUM TREE PLANTINGS ARE NOT REQUIRED FOR A PROPERTIES ZONE CENTRAL BUSINESS, BUT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING FOUNDATIONAL PLANTINGS AND SMALL GROWING TREES IN PLANTERS AND TREE PITS. THE PRESENCE OF EXISTING OVERHEAD UTILITY LINES REMAIN WILL PRECLUDE THE STREET TREE PLANTINGS ALONG BOTH STREET FRONTS REGARDING THE STORM WATER, CURRENTLY THE SITE OF DRAINS, UM, AND EVENTUALLY DISCHARGES TO NON CONCRETE VIA LATERAL C. THE DOWNTOWN DRAINAGE, DOWNTOWN DRAINAGE PHASE FOR IMPROVEMENTS TO LATERAL C ARE DESIGNED TO CONVEY THE A HUNDRED YEAR STORM EVENT. PHASE FIVE, WHICH IS HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW ON YOUR SCREEN. THIS IS INCLUDED IN THE TOWN'S FISCAL YEAR 2026 TO 2027 CAPITAL PROGRAM. AND THIS WILL EXTEND THOSE, THOSE CHANGES TO THE LATERAL SEA. POST DEVELOPMENT RUNOFF WILL BE COLLECTED THROUGH CURB INLETS AND AN UNDERGROUND STORM STORMWATER SYSTEM REDUCING SHEATH FLOW TO ADJACENT PROPERTIES, BUT IT WILL MAINTAIN THE SAME DOWNSTREAM DISCHARGE TO LATERAL SEA OF THE NON-CLEAR CREEK. ALTHOUGH THE PROJECT DOES INCREASE IMPERVIOUS SURFACES AND RUNOFF RATES, THE DRAINAGE NET STATES AND PROPOSED SYSTEM IS DESIGNED TO SAFETY SAFELY CONVEY STORMWATER RUNOFF AND THEREFORE ON SITE STORMWATER DETENTION IS NOT REQUIRED FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT. A WATER AND SEWER HYDRAULIC STUDY CONFIRMED THAT THERE IS ADEQUATE UTILITY CAPACITY FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT AS WELL. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN BECAUSE WITH THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, THE SITE WILL BE CONSISTENT WITH THE TOWN ZONING ORDINANCE. THE NEXT STEP INCLUDE A VMA MEETING ON FEBRUARY 23RD, AND THE APPLICANT WILL NEED TO SUBMIT A FINAL SITE PLAN AND A FINAL PLAN FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL. THE EXAMPLE MOTION IS ON YOUR SCREEN AND THE APPLICANT IS IN AGREEMENT WITH ALL THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL. AND THIS DOES CONCLUDE MY PRESENTATIONS AND I'M AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY. THANK YOU. WELCOME. GOOD EVENING, JOHN MCCARTY, 1 98 PROGRESS ROAD UP HERE IN WELL, WE, UH, WE'VE GOT A GREAT LONG PRESENTATION FOR Y'ALL HERE TONIGHT. UH, HOPEFULLY THAT WE CAN MEET ALL OF Y'ALL'S NEEDS ABOUT ANY QUESTIONS. UH, COMMISSIONER GI HAS ALREADY SEEN THIS AT THE HDC, SO HE'S PROBABLY GONNA ASK REGISTER QUESTIONS. NO, WE ARE HAPPY TO BRING THIS PROJECT TO Y'ALL TONIGHT. WE THINK IT'S [00:10:01] A, IT'S A GREAT PROJECT THAT, UM, MEETS SOME OF THE STUFF SET FORWARD IN THE DOWNTOWN SMALL AREA PLAN. AND WE ARE HOPE THAT IT REALLY DOES, UM, HELP PROVE THE VIABILITY OF DOING THE MIXED USE, UM, TYPE OF PROJECTS CLOSE TO THE SQUARE. UM, WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME, IT'S A TIGHT SITE. UH, WE ARE A LITTLE BIT BELOW THE ALLOWABLE DENSITY. UM, ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS THAT THE APPLICANTS, UH, THE MC MOORES AND, UH, BAR THOMAS, Y'ALL AREN'T FAMILIAR WITH 'EM, WE BROUGHT TO THE TABLE IS EVEN THOUGH WE DIDN'T HAVE TO DO PARKING DUE, THE CENTRAL BUSINESS, UM, ZONING, WE KNOW A SITE LIKE THIS REALLY DOESN'T FUNCTION WELL WITHOUT IT. WE'RE NOT, UH, A DOWNTOWN STYLE CITY. AND SO WE'VE STRIVED TO, UH, TO, TO CRAM THE SITE WITH AS MUCH PARKING AND EVEN ADDING THE FIVE ON SPACE ON STREET SPACES TO MATCH, UH, THE TOWN CENTER STREET PROJECT FROM ABOUT 10, 15 YEARS AGO. AND WE DO THINK IT'LL BE GREAT. UH, THE GRADES ARE VERY TIGHT ON THE SITE, UM, FROM THE ADA, A ACCESS, UH, COMMISSIONER ROZANSKI NOTES FROM HIS PROJECT ACROSS THE STREET, THE, THE CENTER STREET SLOPES DOWN, UM, WE'VE GOT THE, THE BUILDING FACADE ALONG CENTER STREET STEPPING DOWN TO MATCH THOSE GRADES. UH, THE FOURTH FLOOR, UH, FROM, FROM MY CLIENT'S PERSPECTIVE, IS REALLY NOT A FLOOR. IT'S A, IT'S AN OUTDOOR AMENITY WITH A SMALL SPACE UPSTAIRS. I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL GOT ANY OF THOSE EXHIBITS DONE THAT YOU CAN SHOW. UM, BUT BASICALLY IT'S, UH, IT'S AN AREA FOR THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE ON THE TOP FLOOR, TWO FLOORS TO BE ABLE TO GO UP TO THE, THE TOP AND HAVE A LITTLE AREA A LITTLE BIT MORE INSIDE PROPOSED THAN WHAT JOHN GREEN'S BUILDING HAS ON THE SQUARE RIGHT NOW. BUT, BUT SIMILAR, IT'S NOT A TRUE FOURTH FLOOR. AND THE, THE BID OF STRUCTURE THAT IS UP THERE IS SET BACK FROM THE, UM, THE EDGES OF THE BUILDING. SO THE, THE RESIDENTS AROUND THERE WILL REALLY SEE A THREE STORY BUILDING, NOT A FOUR STORY BUILDING. UM, SOME OF THE OTHER ASPECTS, THE STORM DRAINAGE THAT, UH, DONTA BROUGHT UP, WE ARE LAYING A A, A STORM DRAINED PIPE, UH, TO THE NORTH, UH, ON AN EASEMENT TO THE PROPERTY TO THE WEST. THE EXISTING DITCH THAT CUTS BEHIND MARK MOODY'S HOUSE, UH, IS WHERE WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GOING ALL THE WAY TO THAT DITCH. UH, THE TOWN IS IMPROVED THAT DITCH ALONG THE NORTH SIDE OF MARK'S PROPERTY CURRENTLY. THAT DITCH TURNS AND RUNS ALONG HIS EAST PROPERTY LINE. AND WE'RE TYING INTO THAT DITCH. AND I THINK, UH, DALE'S PLAN IS TO, TO PICK THAT STORM DRAINAGE UP WHEN THEY DO THAT PHASE FIVE THAT DONTA WAS UH, MENTIONING. UM, AS FAR AS THE OTHER ASPECTS OF THE SITE, WE'VE UH, HOPEFULLY MET ALL OF THE, UH, REQUIREMENTS OF THE, UH, FIRE MARSHAL, THE LAST COUPLE CONVERSATIONS WE'VE HAD WITH HIM, UM, MAKING SURE THAT ALL THE AERIAL ACCESS AND EVERYTHING WORKS WELL. BUT THAT'S, UH, DON'T WANNA BORE Y'ALL FOREVER. SO WE, UH, ARE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS Y'ALL HAVE. , JUST MCCARRY, THANKS FOR, UH, YOUR PRESENTATION. CAN YOU GIMME A LITTLE DESCRIPTION OF THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS ON THE SECOND AND THIRD FLOOR SIZE, UH, SQUARE FOOTAGE SIZE THINGS. WE HAVE ONE OF OUR ARCHITECTS HERE TONIGHT THAT CAN GO INTO GREAT DETAIL, READ THE FLOOR, IS YOURS, UH, READ WITH THE COMPANY ARCHITECTS ALSO, UH, A RESIDENT OF COURT ON CORN FLOOR. UH, WE WERE PLAYING FOR 12 UNITS, MIX OF ONE AND TWO BEDROOMS. UH, THEY BRANCH DIFFERENT SIZES. UH, THESE ARE WILL BE LUXURY CONDOS. THESE WILL NOT BE ALL COMPLEXES. DINING MEANS, UH, THEY, I DON'T HAVE THE PLANS RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME. I'M SORRY, BUT I CAN'T GIVE YOU THE EXACT SQUARE FOOTAGE, BUT THEY'RE OVERSIZED AND TWO BEDROOMS. SO A RED ROAD STANDPOINT, YOU, WHAT'S THE PRICE POINT ON I ONE TWO ON BEHALF OF Y'ALL WANT MENTION THAT? GOOD EVENING. I'M DAVID MACRO. WE, UH, PRICE POINT, EXCUSE YOUR HONOR. I'M NOT TRYING TO, BUT TELL US YOUR ADDRESS TOO, JUST FOR THE RECORD. OKAY. I'M, UH, I LIVE IN 5 30 12 CREST HERE IN COGO. UH, BUT UM, WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY ON THE PRICE POINT OF THE CONDOMINIUMS YET. UH, WE DO SEE 'EM BEING HIGH-END. UM, I THINK WE'RE THINKING LIKE IN THE 400 PROBABLY, UH, MAYBE, MAYBE HIGH THREES. BUT, UH, THE, IT IS A VERY NICE BUILDING, UM, AND IT IS VERY TIGHT. SO I I'M SURE WHATEVER WE THOUGHT OUR SQUARE FOOTAGE PRICE WAS GONNA BE, WE WERE GONNA BE MORE EXPENSIVE BY THE TIME WE GET IT BUILT. SO CAN I ASK ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I'VE GOT A QUESTION ALSO IF, WHETHER IT BE IN CONDOS, IT'S NOT GONNA BE AS MUCH TRANSIENT TRAFFIC. SO EVEN WITH A ONE BEDROOM, YOU WOULD PROBABLY EXPECT TWO VEHICLES PER UNIT MINIMUM. YOU DON'T HAVE THE SPACE [00:15:01] FOR TWO FOR ALL 12 UNITS. UH, DO YOU SEE THAT AS A, AS AN ISSUE COMING UP THAT, I MEAN, WITH 12 UNITS YOU NEED 24, YOU'VE GOT 23 1 IN HANDICAPPED. DO YOU SEE THAT AS A, AN ISSUE IN THE FUTURE? TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I I REALLY, I, I DON'T THINK THERE'LL BE TWO PEOPLE, UH, TWO DRIVERS IN EACH CONDOMINIUM. I, I FORESEE, UM, SINGLE MOTHERS, UH, DIVORCE A, UH, NURSES, PILOTS, UM, THESE ARE GONNA BE A HIGHER END CONDOMINIUM. SO, UH, I I DON'T SEE COUPLES. I, I DON'T, BUT YEAH, I MEAN IT MAY BE MAYBE AN ELDERLY COUPLE, MAYBE YOU KNOW, A FEW OF THOSE. BUT NOT TO THE POINT THAT, YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE'RE ONLY ONE SHORT OR TWO SHORT, CONSIDERING THE HANDICAP, I I JUST DON'T SEE IT BEING AN ISSUE. AND EVEN IF IT WAS, THERE'S THE UN GATED SPOTS THAT THEY COULD LEAVE A CAR IN IF THEY, YOU KNOW, THE ONE THAT THEY DIDN'T USE THE MOST. SO WILL THE, WILL THE GATED SPOTS BE ONLY FOR RESIDENTS? IS THAT PLAN? OKAY. IS, IS THERE ANYWHERE FOR, UM, PARKING, UH, A SPILLAGE OF, OF PARKING OVERFLOW IF, OR THIS, IS THIS PRETTY MUCH IN FOR THIS LOCATION IF, IS THERE ANY, THERE'S NOWHERE ELSE TO PARK ON THE STREET, IS THAT CORRECT? WELL, THERE IS THE, THE FIVE PARKING SPACES, THE FIVE, OTHER THAN THAT, I'M JUST, I'M JUST CURIOUS. I'M JUST THINKING IF THERE'S, YOU KNOW, A MEETING AND, AND THE RETAIL AND FOUR, FOUR OR FIVE MORE PEOPLE ARE THERE, THAT THERE MAY BE, THERE MAY BE SOME ISSUES WITH PARKING FROM THE, THE OVERALL PERSPECTIVE. WHEN THE TOWN DID THE PROJECT ALONG CENTER STREET, THERE ARE, UM, PARKING SPOTS ALL THE WAY UP TO THE POST OFFICE ALONG CENTER STREET AND UM, ALSO SOME OF THE OTHER NEIGHBORS OVER THERE. USUALLY ONCE WE GET A BUILDING LIKE THIS BUILT, THEY END UP HAVING DIFFERENT KINDS OF AGREEMENTS. UH, ONE OF THE BEAUTIES OF THE WAY THIS SITE'S GONNA OPERATE IS THAT THE, THE, THE GROUND FLOOR SPACES ON THE SOUTH STREET ARE ACTUALLY GONNA BE FOR M MOORE'S OFFICE. THEY'RE HOME BUILDERS AND REAL ESTATE AND PROFESSIONALS. AND THEN THE RETAIL BAYS THAT ARE GONNA BE FOR LEASE ARE GONNA BE OUT ON THE CENTER STREET WITH THAT, THAT ON STREET PARKING IN FRONT OF 'EM. BUT THEY DON'T DO A LOT OF, UH, REAL ESTATE ACTIVITIES IN THE EVENINGS WHEN SOME OF THE, UH, EITHER THE RESIDENTS MIGHT HAVE VISITORS OVER OR YOU'VE GOT THE RETAIL SPACES OUT ON CENTER STREET, MIGHT HAVE MORE VEHICLE TRAFFIC AT THAT POINT. AND SO WE'RE THINKING THAT IT'S PROBABLY THE BEST MIX OF THE THREE DIFFERENT USERS, THE RESIDENTS UPSTAIRS, THE PROFESSIONAL OFFICE OVER ON THE SOUTH STREET SIDE AND THE RETAIL BAYS OVER ON THE CENTER STREET SIDE BEING, UH, OCCUPIED AT DIFFERENT TIMES, DOING BETTER. UM, BUT LOOKING AT IT, UM, WE HAVE DEFINITELY PROVIDED ALL THE PARKING SPOTS THAT WE CAN AND WHICH IS DEFINITELY, I THINK WE'RE THE TOTAL OF 44 SPOTS. UM, IT'S ABOUT AS GOOD AS I'VE EVER SEEN A CLIENT WILLING TO DO WHEN THEY WEREN'T REQUIRED TO ACTUALLY PROVIDE ANY. I THINK IT'S A GREAT PLAN. I JUST, I JUST WASN'T SURE ABOUT PARKING. IF, IF THERE, IF YOU HAD A REALLY POPULAR RETAIL SPOT AND ALL THE AGENTS WERE THERE FOR A MEETING AND, AND JUST IF THERE WAS ANY PLACE FOR ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SOLIDIFIED YET. UM, WHEN YOU HAVE A RETAIL BAY, YOU NEVER KNOW WHO'S GONNA END UP IN IT IN THE END. BUT THEY, FROM A A CODE DESIGN PERSPECTIVE, THEY ARE NOT LEANING TOWARDS BEING HEAVY IN THE RESTAURANT ASPECT EITHER. UH, DUE TO THE SIZE AND THE NATURE OF THIS SITE AND IT'S DISTANCE FROM THE SQUARE, THE, THE CHANCES OF BOTH OF THOSE BEING A RESTAURANT ARE PROBABLY ZERO. AND THE CHANCES OF ONE OF 'EM BEING A RESTAURANT IS STILL LOW, UNLESS IT'S MORE OF LIKE AN ICE CREAM PARLOR OR A COFFEE SHOP VERSUS, UH, HAVING THE HEAVY OF COOKING EQUIPMENT WITH THE FENCE. THE, THE OTHER TWO SPACES WE'VE PERCEIVED, UH, BUSINESSES THAT WOULD COMPLIMENT EITHER THE HOMEBUILDING COMPANY, THE REAL ESTATE COMPANY, STATE FARM TYPE INSURANCE AGENCY, OR AN ATTORNEY FOR A CLOSINGS, SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT THAT THAT WOULDN'T HAVE VERY MANY VISITORS AT ALL. OTHER QUESTIONS WE ASK? SO THIS, THIS STRUCTURE WILL HAVE NO IMPACT ON THE SCHOOLS THAT ARE RIGHT THERE IN TERMS OF, IN TERMS OF LIKE STUDENTS GOING TO THE SCHOOL OR THE PARKING? BOTH. SO THE, THE SCHOOL ACROSS THE STREET, UM, WE WORKED WITH, UH, SCOTT ON THAT PROJECT. THEY DO HAVE A, A PARKING AGREEMENT AND THINGS IN PLACE WITH THE TOWN AND I THINK THEY MAY HAVE HAD THE LUXURY OF PARKING SOME CARS OVER ON THIS SPACE DURING THE INTERIM. BUT ONCE THIS SITE IS NOT AVAILABLE FOR THEM TO PARK THE, THE AGREEMENT THAT THEY'VE GOT WITH THE TOWN AS FAR AS IT MAYBE LIKE THEIR HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS DRIVING OR NOT BEING ABLE TO DRIVE. BUT THE SCHOOL HAS DEFINITELY GOT THAT AGREEMENT IN PLACE TO WORK WITH THE TOWN AND ALL THE NEIGHBORS TO, TO NOT BE A BURDEN LIMITED NUMBER. THE HIGH SCHOOL JUDGE, JUST SAYING ONCE THAT THAT GROUP, THEY, THEY'VE [00:20:01] GOT A LIMITED NUMBER OF HIGH SCHOOLERS. 'CAUSE A LOT OF TIMES THEY'LL STAY WITH THE PRIVATE SCHOOL UNTIL ABOUT TIME OF HIGH SCHOOL AND THEN THEY GO OVER TO COVILLE HIGH BECAUSE WE'VE GOT THE AMENITIES THAT CAN'T BE PROVIDED NECESSARILY. INTERESTING YOU SAID THAT OUR SON WENT TO MIDSOUTH GIFTED ACADEMY AND THEN SWITCHED IN 10TH GRADE AND, AND FINISHED OUT HIS EDUCATION AT, AT UH, F-A-C-F-A-C-S FOR THAT REASON. MM-HMM . WELL, JUST A FEW THINGS, UH, SINCE I DID SIT THROUGH IT ON HTC, JUST TO KIND GIVE YOU GUYS A LITTLE BIT OF AN UPDATE, UM, THE SITE PLAN WAS APPROVED BY THE HDC. THEY, WE TOOK INTER SECTIONS TO IT. THERE WAS A CONVERSATION ABOUT THE DUMPSTER PAD AND THE LOCATION AND BEING ABLE TO SEE IT FROM SOUTH STREET. UH, THEY'RE GONNA WORK THROUGH THE FACADE OF THE GARAGE SO THAT WHEN YOU GO DOWN WEST STREET, YOU KNOW, IT LOOKS REALLY NICE. UH, I THINK THE MAIN THING THAT CAME INTO AN HTC THAT WE ALL HEARD WAS, UH, BRICK AND SOME OF THE FACADE OF THE BUILDING AND WE'RE GONNA BE WORKING THROUGH THAT IN THE WORK SESSION, UH, WITH THE HT C AND TRYING TO GET THAT, YOU KNOW, SO IT COMPLIMENTS THE SQUARE AND THE ARCHITECTURE AND THE RETAIL EXPERIENCE IF YOU'RE WALKING ALONG WITH THE SIDE OF THE RE OF THE RETAIL. SO, UM, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, THE HT C FLIGHT CYCLE PLAN. OTHER QUESTIONS LEFT? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. LET'S GET A MOTION ON THE FLOOR. MOTION TO APPROVE CASE 25 21 0 1 SOUTH CENTER SUBDIVISION LOT TWO AS WITH THE 11 CONDITIONS PRESENTED. SECOND MOTION. NINE SECOND RIGHT. DISCUSSION. MR. DUBOSE? YES. MR. STAMPS? YES. DR. GREEN? YES. MR. BATES? YES. MR. ROZANSKI? YES. MS. FLETCHER? YES. MR. GIBBON? YES. MR. COTTON? YES. ALRIGHT FOLKS, UH, NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS IS CASE NUMBER 2 5 3 3 7 7. UH, I BELIEVE SHEILA WAS GONNA PRESENT THAT TO US. PRESENTATION TO US SHEILA WAS COMING UP. I'LL REMIND YOU THAT YOU GOT AN EMAIL EARLIER TODAY WITH A COUPLE OF PUBLIC COMMENTS RELATED TO THIS PROJECT. I'M SURE WE ALL RECEIVED THE SAME GOOD EVENING. THE APPLICANT ROY LA MECCA WITH EFI GLOBAL ON BEHALF OF PROPERTY OWNER ALE IS REQUESTING FOR APPROVAL OF A PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION PLA FOR SEVEN SINGLE FAMILY LOTS LOCATED ON 2.2 ACRES. THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED SOUTH OF SOUTH ROLLETTE STREET AND WEST OF HARDWOOD STREET IN ITS ZONE, TN TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD AND IS SURROUNDED BY OTHER R ONE R TWO SCC AND GC PROPERTIES. THIS REQUEST WAS PREVIOUSLY SCHEDULED FOR THE AUGUST 20, 25 PCU MEETING, BUT THE APPLICANT REQUESTED DEFERRAL DUE TO UNRESOLVED SEWER TRANSMISSION LINE CAPACITY CONCERNS IN THIS AREA. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS WITHIN SPECIAL AREA FIVE OF THE 2010 DOWNTOWN CARVILLE SMALL AREA PLAN, WHICH ANTICIPATES INFIELD HOUSING AND REDEVELOPMENT. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY CONSISTS OF TWO LOTS FRONTING ON SOUTH WALL STREET. ONE, THE PROPERTY OWNER PURCHASED IN 2020, WHICH CONTAINS TWO SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS AND THE OTHER THE APPLICANT PURCHASED IN 2022. ALSO IN 2022 THE PROPERTY WAS REZONED FROM R ONE LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL TO T IN TO BETTER IMPLEMENT THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE DOWNTOWN PLAN. THE TWO EXISTING DWELLINGS WILL BE DEMOLISHED AND REPLACED WITH SEVEN NEW SINGLE FAMILY LO SINGLE STREET LOADED SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS. THE PROPOSED LOT SIZES, SETBACKS, AND LOT WIDTHS COMPLY WITH THE MINIMAL DIMENSIONAL STANDARDS FOR THE TN ZONING DISTRICT. THE DWELLING ON LOT ONE WILL FACE SOUTH WALL LAKE STREET TO MATCH THE PREDOMINANT BUILDING PLACEMENT ON THIS BLOCK. THE FRONT OF THE HOMES WILL HAVE TO BE BETWEEN 25 AND 40 FEET ALONG SOUTH WALL LAKE AND THE NEW PUBLIC STREET PROPOSED FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT. [00:25:01] LOTS TWO THROUGH SEVEN WILL HAVE FRONTAGE ON THE NEW PUBLIC STREET INTERSECTING WITH SOUTH ROULETTE STREET WITH LOT ONE ONLY HAVING DRIVEWAY ACCESS TO SOUTH ROULETTE. SINGLE FAMILY DESIGN STANDARDS WILL APPLY AND MAKE SURE THAT THE HOUSES COMPLY WITH O OTHER INFIELD NEAR THE TOWN SQUARE. THE CLOSEST EXAMPLE OF STREET LOADED LOTS LIKE THESE ARE IN THE REAR OF THE TWINING ON WASHINGTON STREET. THE DESIGN STANDARDS WILL BE APPLICABLE TO THESE LOTS SINCE THEY ARE ZONED TN THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A WAIVER FOR THE INSTALLATION OF THE SIDEWALK ALONG THE WEST SIDE OF THE NEW PROPOSED PUBLIC STREET. THE APPLICANT INTENDS TO INSTALL SIDEWALK ALONG THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPOSED STREET SERVING SIX OF THE SEVEN LOTS AND CONNECTING TO THE EXISTING SIDEWALK ON SOUTH FOUR LEFT STREET WHERE SIDEWALKS AND CROSSWALK INFRASTRUCTURE ALREADY EXIST ALONG THE SOUTH SIDE FRONTING LOT ONE SIDEWALKS ARE REQUIRED ON BOTH SIDES OF RESIDENTIAL STREETS. UNLESS A WAIVER IS GRANTED TO EXCLUDE A SIDEWALK ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE PROPOSED STREET ALLOWS FOR MORE ROOM FOR THE STREET TREE PLANTINGS. AND NOTE THAT THERE ARE NO CHURCHES, PARKS, OR SCHOOLS WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE TO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. COMMON OPEN SPACE A WILL SERVE AS A STORM WATER DETENTION AREA AT THE INTERSECTION OF THE NEW STREET AND SOUTH ROULETTE. COMMON OPEN SPACE B WILL SERVE WILL, SORRY, WILL BE A NARROW PLANTING LOT TO THE WEST OF THE PROPOSED STREET, WHICH WILL PREVENT THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES TO THE WEST FROM ACCESSING THE PROPOSED DRAIN. THE POST DEVELOPMENT DRAINAGE PATTERNS ARE PROPOSED TO REMAIN CONSISTENT WITH EXISTING CONDITIONS DIRECT AND RUNOFF FROM THE EAST TO THE WEST INTO THE UNDERGROUND DRAINAGE SYSTEM. AND MOST OF THE OFFSITE DRAINAGE WILL BE ROUTED AROUND THE PROJECT. THROUGH BYPASS FLOW, A HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION WILL BE CREATED TO MAINTAIN THE OPEN SPACE LOT IN THE DETENTION AREA. THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO REMOVE ALL THE 19 EXISTING TREES AND WE'LL PLANT 16 NEW TREES, WHICH MEETS THE REQUIREMENT FOR A SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT APPROXIMATELY TWO ACRES. THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION WILL REVIEW THE PROPOSED COMMON OPEN SPACE PLANTING AND ENTRY FEATURES BEFORE THE BM. THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN AND MAYOR CONSIDERS THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. THE NEW PUBLIC STREET WILL HAVE A STANDARD LOCAL STREET RIGHT RIGHT OF WAY OF 50 FEET. A HAMMER HEAD TURNAROUND WILL BE NEEDED FOR THE DEAD END STREET BETWEEN LOTS FIVE AND SIX AND DOES NOT STUB INTO THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES TO THE SOUTH. SO EXTENSION OF THIS STREET IS NOT ANTICIPATED. ONCE THE TURNAROUND REACHES THE FRONT FACADE ZONES OF LOTS FIVE AND SIX, IT WILL SPLIT INTO INDIVIDUAL DRIVEWAYS. THERE ARE, THERE'S A SIMILAR DEAD END STREET TURNAROUND ON MANCHE STREET, WHICH MEETS FIRE AND CODE STANDARDS. THE TWO EXISTING HOMES TYPICALLY GENERATE APPROXIMATELY 20 VEHICLE DAILY TRIPS, AND THE SEVEN NEW HOMES WILL GENERATE 66 DAILY TRIPS WITH FIVE TRIPS OCCURRING DURING THE AM PEAK HOURS AND SEVEN TRIPS OCCURRING DURING THE PM PEAK HOURS. THE SUBDIVISION WILL GENERATE MORE TRAFFIC THEN THE TWO EXISTING HOMES, BUT TRAFFIC IMPACTS ON RALPH SOUTH ROULETTE WILL BE MINIMAL. THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WILL HAVE MINIMAL IMPACTS ON WATER SERVICES AND SEWER CAPACITY WILL BE MANAGED THROUGH ONGOING PUBLIC UTILITY IMPROVEMENTS. SEWER CAPACITY WILL BE INCREASED THROUGH PUBLIC UTILITY IMPROVEMENTS ADDRESSING INFLOW AND INFILTRATION PER THE DRAFT HYDRAULIC REPORT. NO SEWER SYSTEM IMPROVEMENTS WERE RECOMMENDED DUE TO THE RECENTLY COMPLETED COMPLETED IMPROVEMENTS. THE WATER AND SEWER SYSTEMS HAVE SUFFICIENT CAPACITY TO SERVE ALL SEVEN LOTS ON THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. [00:30:01] THIS WILL BE VERIFIED BEFORE THE FINAL PLAT IS RECORDED. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION PLAT FINDING THAT THE SUBDIVISION COMPLIES WITH THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS AFTER THE CONDITIONS AND EXHIBIT TWO ARE MET, APPROVAL OF THE SIDEWALK WAIVER IS RECOMMENDED FOR THE SINGLE LOADED STREET. THE EXAMPLE MOTION IS ON YOUR SCREEN. PLEASE TAKE A MOMENT TO DO THOSE. AND THE HERE ARE THE APPLICANT'S NEXT STEPS. THE APPLICANT DOES AGREE WITH ALL CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL. AND QUESTION MR. STACK. I I DO HAVE A QUESTION THAT HAS THE PUBLIC, UH, SERVICES REVIEWED THIS FOR GARBAGE TRUCKS AND EVERYTHING WITH THE TURNAROUND SIZE OF IT, UM, OR, OR EMERGENCY SERVICES LOOKED AT, OH, EMERGENCY SERVICES, EMERGENCY SERVICE AND PUBLIC WORKS ACTUALLY FIRE, UM, RECOMMENDED THE TURNAROUND. OKAY. UH, HOW ABOUT PUBLIC WORKS? HAVE THEY LOOKED AT THAT? THAT'S FOUR TRUCKS ONCE A WEEK THAT'S GOING TO MAKE THAT TURNAROUND. UM, MAYBE, MAYBE JAMIE CAN SPEAK TO THAT OR THE APPLICANT. I CAN, UH, ADDRESS THAT. YEAH, PUBLIC SERVICES AND PUBLIC UTILITIES, THEY DO PARTICIPATE IN THE DESIGN REVIEW AND GENERALLY WHAT THEY SAY IS IF A FIRETRUCK CAN GET DOWN THERE AND TURN AROUND, THEY CAN TURN AROUND TO, UH, THEY PROVIDE SOLID WASTE PICKUP ON NATCH STREET AND THIS IS IDENTICAL TO THAT. SO IT SHOULD BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THE NEEDS. TIM, HAS THERE BEEN ANY ISSUES AT NATCHES STREET WITH, WITH THE BIG TRUCKS TURNING AROUND IN SUCH A TIGHT SPACE? I KNOW IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, EVEN IN COS THAT HAD TO BE RESURFACED BECAUSE OF THE GARBAGE TRUCKS ARE SUCH A HEAVY LOAD AND I CAN SEE THIS EVEN BEING MORE IN ONE SPOT. ARE YOU AWARE OF THE, SINCE THE ONE EXAMPLES AT NATCH STREET, IF THEY HAD ANY ROAD SURFACE ISSUES THERE, UH, NATCH STREET, WE HAD TO DO THE DRIVEWAY, THE TURNAROUND IN CONCRETE. THAT WAY IT WOULD PREVENT ISSUES LIKE THAT OVER TIME. THAT WOULD BE THE EXPECTATION HERE AS WELL. OKAY. SO IT BUT IT'S NOT ON THE, THEY DON'T HAVE IT IN THE PACKAGE CONCRETE. RIGHT. UH, LET ME, LET ME DOUBLE CHECK. OKAY. I DIDN'T SEE IT. THIS, AND I'LL ANSWER THAT AS YOU GET INTO AND THE APPLICANT MIGHT HAVE TO SPEAK TO THAT AS WELL. WE'RE ABOUT 30 NOW. I'M SORRY. GOOD NAME. THE NAME IS AND I'M 1 0 6. OLD 1 0 6. FITZ CAR QUESTION? UM, I I DON'T HAVE MUCH TO TO ADD. I THINK, UM, SHE, UH, UM, YES, UH, MS. HATCHETT DONE THAT. EVERYONE ELSE HAS DONE A GREAT JOB OF THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND, UM, THE ENGINEER AND THE, UM, LANDSCAPE DESIGNER BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE MUCH TO ADD, BUT I'LL, I'LL TAKE QUESTIONS. QUESTION. WHAT SORT OF HOMES ARE YOU PLANNING ON, ON PUTTING? UH, OR, OR IS THERE A PLAN YET? SO, UM, WHAT, UM, I I GUESS THE, UM, I'D SAY THE INSPIRATION FOR THIS IS, UM, PRETTY MUCH, UH, WHAT THE TWINING WHAT YOU SEE AT THE TWINE. BUT, UM, IT'S, I THINK IT'S GONNA VARY BETWEEN WHAT, WHAT YOU WOULD SEE TO THE WEST. THERE ARE TWO NEW, RELATIVELY NEW BILL TO THE WEST. SOMETHING BETWEEN THAT AND WHAT YOU SEE AT THE TWINE. THE, UM, ACCORDING TO THE, UM, HOA DOCUMENTS, THE MINIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE IS BETWEEN 500 SQUARE FEET. UM, WE COULDN'T GO AS HIGH AS WELL ABOVE 3000 SQUARE FEET. SO THAT GIVES AN IDEA OF WHAT, WHAT'S BEING DONE LIKE QUESTION THE APPLICANT. I GUESS FOLLOWING UP ON COMMISSIONER'S COMMENTS, ARE YOU CONSIDERING DOING THE LADDER PART OF THE STREET WHERE THE TURNAROUND IS IN CONCRETE? SO YOU DON'T HAVE AN ONGOING PROBLEM AS THE HEAVY TRUCKS COME DOWN AND TURN AROUND? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THAT? THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU. MOTION . ONE MORE QUESTION. CHAIR. YES SIR. THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT SEWAGE AND ET CETERA. HAS ALL OF THAT BEEN RESOLVED? I HEARD YOUR PRESENTATION, BUT THAT STILL LEADS TO ME SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT ALL THE ISSUES AROUND SEWAGE AND HAS BEEN ADDRESS. HEY, GOOD EVENING. I'M TIM BEERS. I'M THE PUBLIC, UH, UTILITIES ASSISTANT [00:35:01] DIRECTOR. UH, AT THE TIME THIS PROJECT CAME THROUGH, WE HAD CAN AND CANON, WHO'S OUR, UH, CONSULTANT, DO A HYDRAULIC ANALYSIS ON THE WATER AND THE SEWER. AND AT THAT, AT THAT TIME, THERE WAS A LOT OF INFO INFLOW AND INFILTRATION, WHICH THEY CALL EYE TO EYE INTO THIS EXISTING SEWER SYSTEM, WHICH BACKED UP IN A COUPLE OF MANHOLES AND WE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. BUT DURING THE, UH, PROCESS, UM, THAT'S WHY I WAS ON HOLD FOR A LITTLE BIT WITH COORDINATION WITH, UH, PUBLIC UTILITIES. UM, OUR CONSULTANT, CANON CANON, WHO'S JOINED OUR MASTER UH, SEWER PLAN AND TREK IS A ANOTHER CONSULTANT OF OURS THAT'S DOING VISUAL MANHOLE INSPECTIONS. UH, THEY DID SMOKE TESTING, UH, IN COORDINATION WITH ALL THAT. WE WILL HAVE THE CAPACITY TO, UM, AT THE END OF THIS PROJECT, UM, WE'LL DO CURED IN PLACE PIPING. WE'VE ALREADY PUBLIC WORKS. UH, PUBLIC UTILITIES HAS ALREADY GONE OUT AND REPLACED, UH, 200 TO 300 CLEAN OUTS THAT WERE MISSING FROM RESIDENTS IN THIS AREA. SO IN CONJUNCTION WITH THAT, SO WHAT I'M, MY SUMMARY IS WITH THE COORDINATION OF ALL THIS, THE CAPACITY WILL BE THERE WHEN THIS PROJECT GOES THROUGH. OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. THAT, THANK YOU. MM-HMM . I HEAR A MOTION I MOVE TO APPROVE THE EQUAL COMPLAINING OF VILLE FOR SEVEN LOTS. SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS THAT EXHIBIT TWO SECOND DISCUSSION. JAMIE, CAN I ASK A QUESTION JUST ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT WAS REZONED, IT WAS DONE IN ORDER TO BRING THIS IN, IN LINE WITH THE LONG RANGE PLANS FOR THE AREA, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. AND THERE'S NOTHING OUTSTANDING ABOUT WHAT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED THAT IS OUTSIDE AND REQUESTING ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE GRANT FOR THE SIDEWALK WAIVER ON ONE SIDE, WHICH WE HAVE DONE DOZENS OF TIMES. THAT'S CORRECT. IT MEETS, MEETS ALL THE TOWN STANDARDS WITH, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THAT SAND SIDEWALK WAIVER. WE'LL WORK WITH THE DRC NEXT WEEK ON SOME LANDSCAPING WAIVERS. UH, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL SEE HOW THEY, THEY HANDLE THAT. BUT OTHER THAN THAT COMPLIES WITH ALL TAIL STANDARDS. I'LL SAY I'VE GOT THE ZONING MAP BEHIND ME. UM, WHEN THEY REZONED IT TO TN, WHICH IS ORANGE SUBJECT PROPERTY, IT'S, IT'S HERE. UM, IT'S A LOT. THERE'S A LOT OF ORANGE ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE SQUARE AND IT'S JUST NOW STARTING TO HAPPEN ON THE, THE WEST SIDE OF THE SQUARE. BUT THAT'S THE SAME ZONING DISTRICT, THE SAME STANDARDS WE'VE USED TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE ARE RACE FOUNDATIONS, DECORATIVE GARAGE DOORS, UH, USABLE FRONT PORCHES, RECESSED GARAGES IF THEY ARE FRONT FACING, SUBSTANTIALLY RECESSED LIKE 25, 20 FEET FROM THE, THE PRO FACADE OF THE HOUSE, SUBSTANTIALLY RECESSED COLLAGES. UM, AND ALL THAT'S BEEN PRETTY SUCCESSFUL ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE SQUARE. AND NOW IT'S STARTING TO SPILL ON THE WEST SIDE. YOU'VE GOT NOW MILL STREET, A LITTLE BIT OF TN LIKE THE, UM, THERE'S A HOME THAT WAS JUST RECENTLY CONSTRUCTED ON MILL STREET. IT'S A LARGER LOT BUT SIMILAR STANDARDS. UH, THE, THE GREENS HAVE GROVE SQUARE, IT HASN'T BEEN BUILT YET, BUT SIMILAR STANDARDS. UM, AND NOW, NOW IT'S STARTING TO SCALE DOWN INTO THIS, THIS AREA OF, OF ALL IT. YEAH. AND WE ARE OUTSIDE OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, CORRECT. SO THIS IS, THIS PLAN IS CONSISTENT WITH THE TOWN PLAN FOR DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT, IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT, YES. WE EXPECTED INFIELD REDEVELOPMENT IN THE CITY. JIMMY, WHAT ARE THE, WHAT ARE THE LOTS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE STREET TO THE EAST OF THIS DEVELOPMENT? WHAT ARE THEY IN THAT ZONING MAP? WHAT ARE THEY, WHAT'S THE INTENTION FOR THOSE? BECAUSE THOSE ARE LIKE SOME, SOME OF THOSE ARE LIKE ARM, LIKE THERE'S, I THINK THERE'S A A AND THIS GENERAL AREA. YEAH, THERE'S LIKE FOUR LOTS, FOUR FIVE LOTS, TWO, TWO KIND OF RANCH HOUSES KINDA SET BACK FROM THE ROAD. RIGHT. UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT FAMILY OWNS THIS TRACK HERE. UH, AND THEY DID, UH, RECENTLY CREATE A, A SUBDIVISION SUBDIVIDED AWFUL LOT, UH, TO ALLOW FOR FAMILY MEMBER TO BUY A HOUSE. THEY HAVEN'T ACTUALLY BUILT, BUILT A HOUSE. THEY COULD REDEVELOP THIS LOT NEXT TO WHAT WE'RE CONSIDERING TODAY. UM, THEY MIGHT, IF THEY WANT ANYTHING SIMILAR TO THIS, THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BEFORE YOU AND ASK FOR A REZONING AND GO THROUGH THE SAME THING THAT EAGLES LANDING HAS HAD TO DO. THAT'S SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL RIGHT THERE. SINGLE FAMILY. R TWO IS THE ZONING. SO THEY MIGHT JUST DO ONE LOT. IT'S, IT'S OWNED BY THE FAMILY. SO TO THE WEST OF THIS PROPERTY, WE ALSO HAVE SINGLE FAMILY, RIGHT. SINGLE FAMILY, R TWO, [00:40:01] UM, THE OLD, UM, STAYING THE LAST PLACE, UH, THAT, THAT PROPERTY MIGHT HAVE SOME REDEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL. UH, SO I COULD SEE THEM COMING IN AND ASKING TO REZONE TO BE ABLE TO, UH, PUT A COUPLE HOUSES THERE. THEN, THEN YOU HAVE THE TWO HOUSES THAT WERE RECENTLY CONSTRUCTED, THESE, THESE HOUSES. AND THEN AS YOU COME DOWN THE ROAD, YOU'VE GOT EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES AND SOME TN ZONING THAT WAS RECENTLY APPLIED. UM, I THINK THEY WANTED TO KEEP SEVERAL OF THE HOUSES, BUT THEY HAD LIKE, THEY WANTED TO ADD ONE ADDITIONAL LOT. SO I DO HAVE A QUESTION. SO IT SEEMS LIKE THE ORANGE IS A POSTAGE STAMP IN THE MIDDLE OF R ONE OR, UH, RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS. AND I WAS WONDERING WHY THAT WOULD BE THAT WAY. WELL, THE PLAN, UM, SO THE, THE CHARACTER IS CHANGING. UM, SO SOME OF THOSE LOTS ARE PRETTY NARROW. UH, AND SO THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE TOLD EAGLES LANDING PRETTY EARLY ON IS, UH, TRY TO MAINTAIN THE RHYTHM THAT'S THERE. SO THAT'S WITH THE EAGLES LANDING FRONT LINE IS TRYING TO DO THAT. THERE'S ONLY ONE LOT THAT FACES AND THE REST OF THE LOTS ARE IN THE BACK. UM, BUT THE, THE, THE, THE POLICIES TALK ABOUT THIS BEING AN AREA FOR REDEVELOPMENT. SO THE POLICIES ARE CHANGING. UM, SO IT GIVES YOU A CHANCE TO NOT FOLLOW THE EXISTING ZONING. YOU'RE NOT LOCKED INTO R TWO. UH, WE WERE TRYING TO HAVE MORE HOUSING AROUND THE SQUARE, UH, ADDITIONAL ROOFTOPS. IT'S CALLED THE NEW ROOFTOPS INITIATIVE. AND JUST LIKE THE PROJECT THAT YOU APPROVED EARLIER TONIGHT IS AN FORM OF HOUSING, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO INCREASE LIVING OPPORTUNITIES AROUND THE SQUARE, MAKING THE SQUARE BECOME MORE VIBRANT. UH, AND THIS, THIS, THIS FALLS IN LINE WITH THAT. AND SO, UH, THE HOUSES THAT FACE THE ROAD, ARE THEY, ARE THEY HAVE FRONT FACING GARAGES? I CAN'T REMEMBER. I BLANK. I THE ONES THAT ARE, THEY'RE DOWN. YES, THEY DO THIS. THESE TWO, THIS ONE'S BLURRED OUT, BUT BOTH OF THOSE HAVE A FRONT PAGE. OKAY. AND THEN DOWN HERE THEY DON'T HAVE GARAGES. AND IT'S POSSIBLE THAT WITH THIS PROJECT, THEY MIGHT NOT DO A GARAGE. THEY MAY HAVE LIKE A, A PARKING PAD AND SO THAT, THAT IS POSSIBLE. BUT SOMEBODY SAID DO NOT HAVE, UH, ATTACHED GARAGES DOWN THE STREET. OKAY. JIM, COULD YOU GO A LITTLE BIT MORE INTO THE, THE, UH, THE STREET THAT GOES IN FRONT OF ALL THESE HOUSES I HEARD TODAY IS 50 FEET WIDE. MM-HMM . THE RIGHT OF WAY IS 51 FEET AND THEN FROM CURB TO CURB IS 30 FEET, WHICH IS OUR STANDARD, LIKE A STANDARD LOCAL STREET. OKAY. SO ACTUALLY DOWN THAT STREET. SO VISITORS AND THINGS LIKE THAT? YES. PARTICULARLY SINCE THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE HOUSES ON THE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT OF CURB CUTS BECAUSE OF THE, THE NARROW LOTS. IT'S PROBABLY NOT MANY PARKING, NOT MUCH PARKING ON WHERE THE HOUSES ARE, BUT THE OTHER SIDE WITH NO CURB CUTS, CUTS AT ALL, YOU PROBABLY HAVE PARKING OVER THERE AND BEING 30 FEET WIDE HAVE WIDTH TO THAT. WOULD IT PROPOSED TO, TALKED ABOUT THE OUTLINE FOR PARKING AT ALL OR JUST, UH, ONE LAND ON THE WAY OUT? UH, LIKE STRIPED OR YEAH. STRIP SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YEAH. I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, UM, IT'LL PROBABLY BE WHAT WE MIGHT CALL YIELD PARKING, WHICH IS JUST, IT JUST HAPPENS IF IT'S LEGAL NOT IN THROW R PLACE LIKE THAT, IT JUST PARK WHEREVER THEY CAN FIT. SO JAMIE, THE WIDTH OF THE STREET IS JUST LIKE ANY OTHER MOST STANDARD SUBDIVISIONS, CORRECT? YOU KNOW THAT IT IS, IT IS A 50, IT'S A 30 FOOT WIDE STREET. SO, AND A LOT OF THOSE YOU OUGHT PARKING ON BOTH SIDES WHERE YOU ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, I DON'T ON ASHTON WOODS AND IT, AND IT JUST, YOU JUST GOT SNAKE AROUND THROUGH IT AND IT ACTUALLY DOES A LITTLE BIT OF A CALMING OF THE TRAFFIC SPEED BECAUSE YOU, YOU COMING THE OTHER DIRECTION. BUT I ALSO HEARD SOMETHING ABOUT THE A T CONCRETE, UH, UH, CONCRETE IN FRONT OF A COUPLE OF THE HOUSES FOR THE TURNAROUND FOR CROSS DETECTION. SO, SO THAT'S GONNA ACTUALLY BE IN THE PERSON'S FRONT YARD? CORRECT. YEAH. OKAY. AND I, I'VE FOUND THE DETAIL ON THE CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS, IT'S NOT WELL LABELED, BUT WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT IT'S WELL LABELED AND IT SHOWS CONCRETE. DO, DO YOU IS THE ONE THAT MATCHES EXTENDED TO THE STREET HAVING CONCRETE BECAUSE ALL THE WEIGHT ON THAT TRUCK TURNING ISN'T GOING TO ACTUALLY BE ON THE ASPHALT, NOT ON THE PAD. I'LL, I'LL PULL UP AND SHOW YOU YOU WHAT THAT WOULD LOOKS LIKE. YEAH. I LOOKED AT, BUT I COULDN'T TELL ENOUGH TO, IT'S ACTUALLY, I THINK IT DOWN THAT IS A DRIVEWAY AND IT'S A PRETTY WIDE TWO HOUSES THAT FAR BETWEEN EACH OTHER. YEAH, THEY'RE THEY'RE NOT IN LOTS. EXACTLY. IT IS LIKE AN EXTRA DRIVEWAY. SO THIS IMPOSES ON A COUPLE PEOPLE'S DRIVEWAY AND THERE'S CARS THAT ARE PARKED THERE. I GUESS I'D LIKE TO THAT'S RIGHT WITH, WITH NATCHEZ WE HAD A SIGN ADDED THAT SAID NO, NO PARKING OR NO, NO BLOCKING. THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THAT SILENCE IS RIGHT THERE. [00:45:01] BUT THIS IS ALL CONCRETE AND IT FLARES OUT. D THEN DOES GO TO ASPHALT. YOU CAN SEE ASPHALT. WELL I THOUGHT IT WAS HIS DRIVEWAY , BUT UH, THE FIRE TRUCKS AND THE, THE GARBAGE TRUCKS IN EVIDENT THAT THEY COULD USE THAT . SO WITH NATCHES, I MEAN THAT'S GRANDFATHERED HIM FOR LONG YEARS AGO. UM, AS, AS SOMETHING THAT I THINK YOU WOULD HAVE WOULD BE HARD PRESSED TO APPROVE WITHOUT SOME TYPE OF A GOOD SOLID TURNAROUND. YEAH. SO I'M, I'M KIND OF STRUGGLING WITH THAT MYSELF. SURE. UM, IN AND OUT AND ALSO ON THOSE LOTS THEY WERE PROPOSING A, A TREE LINING THE STREET IT'S ONLY 60 FEET WIDE AND THOSE TWO LOTS ARE LOOSE THAN 10 FEET FOR THAT. IF THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A DRIVEWAY, EVEN A PARKING PAD MM-HMM . ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU'RE RUNNING OUTTA A ROOM. YEAH. THERE WOULD BE NO ROOM FOR A TREE IF THAT'S PART OF THE REQUIREMENT. YEAH. YEAH. THERE'LL BE SETBACK 20 FEET. SO WE MIGHT, WE MIGHT BE TO KEEP ONE. THERE'S SO MANY TREES THAT HAVE TO PLANT FOR A LOT. SO THEY'RE SPLITTING THAT DRIVE AS I'M SEEING IT. THEY'RE SPLITTING THAT TURNAROUND BETWEEN TWO. SO THAT'S THE DRIVE FOR BOTH OF THEM. RIGHT. AND SO YOU'VE STILL GOT ANOTHER 40 FEET IN FRONT TO PUT A TREE. WELL YOU'VE GOTTA HAVE A DRIVEWAY AND YOU LOSE 10 FEET OUTTA YOUR 60. SO YOU KNOW IT'S 60 WIDE AND IF THAT TURNAROUND IS 20 FEET IS WHAT IT SHOWS ON THE DRAWING. YEAH. YOU KNOW, SO YOU LOSE 10 ON EACH LOT. SO THAT'S 50. YOU GOTTA HAVE A TREE AND A DRIVEWAY IS WHAT, BUT I'M LOOKING AT IT. IF WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, IF YOU LOOK AT THAT SPACE THAT IS LEFT FROM THE FRONT SETBACK ZONE TO THE, EVEN TO THEIR PROPERTY LINE, YOU STILL GOT SOMETHING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD 20 FEET BY PROBABLY 40 FEET TO PUT A TREE. MM-HMM . IN THE DRIVEWAY. BOTH. HUH? IN THE DRIVEWAY ALSO? NO, THAT DRIVEWAY IS THE YELLOW. NO. YES IT IS. OKAY. THAT, THAT'S GONNA BE THE DRIVEWAY FOR BOTH THE HOUSES. THAT'S THEIR ENTRY FOR BOTH. AND THEN WE'LL SPLIT FOR DRIVEWAY. OKAY. OKAY. I THOUGHT THAT WAS GONNA BE INDEPENDENT OF NO, I THAT IS NOT MY UNDERSTANDING, JAMIE. THAT'S CORRECT. THEY'LL, THEY'LL FAN OFF OF THAT DRIVEWAY JUST LIKE THEY DO HERE OUT THAT MATCHES. YEAH. 'CAUSE OTHERWISE YOU'RE RIGHT, YOU'D HAVE A HARD TIME FINDING A TREE. YOU CAN GET A TREE IN THERE, BUT IT'S JUST LIKE THIS ONE THAT IS THE DRIVEWAYS IN THE BACK OF THE HOUSE. SHOULD WE INCLUDE THAT AS A CONDITION TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S HOW IT IS? BECAUSE, NO, I THINK IT'S ACTUALLY, I DIDN'T SEE IT WAS THE DOCUMENT. IT WAS ON DETAIL THERE, THERE IS THE DRAWING THERE AND THEN THERE'S, THERE IS A DETAIL 19 OF 24 I EIGHT IS PAGE 15. AND AS YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THAT, THEY STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE BMA FOR A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. AND SO THESE TECHNICAL DRAWINGS HAVE TO GET EVEN BETTER BEFORE WE STAMP THEM FOR APPROVAL. SO WE WILL MAKE SURE ALL THE LABELS AND NOTES ARE ON THERE AND ANY SIGNS SAYING DON'T, DON'T BLOCK THIS DRIVE THAT THEY'RE ALL, THEY'RE ALL AT. AND I NOTICED ON ATCH STREET THOUGH, SETBACK IS LOT DEEPER THAN THIS LOT WILL BE IF THEY'RE 20 FOOT. YEAH. YOU GOING HAVE A TRUCK BACKING UP TO YOUR PORCH OVER THERE. SO BE RELATIVELY CLOSE. THAT WAS MY CONCERN BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE A CAR IN THE DRIVEWAY AT ALL, UM, THAT'S GONNA IMP ANY KIND OF, UM, SO THE, THE FRONT MASSAGE ZONE IS PORCH. IT'S THE FRONT HEATED WALL OF THE HOUSE HAS TO GO INTO THAT ZONE. MEANING, BUT THE PORCH COULD PUSH OUT FURTHER THAN THAT. IT COULD, THE PORCH COULD GO FURTHER. JUST LIKE FIVE FEET THOUGH, RIGHT? FIVE. IT NEEDS TO HAVE A A, A USABLE PORCH OF SIX FEET. SIX FEET. UM, BUT IF YOU, IF THE WALL, THE HEATED WALL IS ALL THE WAY TO THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, SO THE EAST SIDE, THEN THEY'RE GONNA HAVE THAT PORCH IN THAT ZONE. BUT IF, IF THEY TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE FULL FACADE ZONE AND GO CLOSE TO THE STREET AS POSSIBLE, IT WILL START TO FEED INTO THE, THE PLACE RE BUT THEY SHOULD HAVE PLACE AT LEAST ONE. MOST PEOPLE PUBLIC SERVICES BECOME WAY BEFORE AT WORK. SO LIKE IF YOU'RE ON YOUR PORCH AND YOU, IF YOU WANT TO PUT SOME NICE LANDSCAPING OUT THERE, YOU CAN, YOU CAN MAKE IT GO AWAY. I MEAN, I JUST TOLD Y'ALL I GO DOWN THAT STREET ALL THE TIME AND FORGET, I'M NOT GONNA PULL IN THERE. I THINK IT'S SOMEBODY'S DRIVEWAY. I NEVER REALLY THINK ABOUT THE FACT IT IS, UH, I HAMMER HEAD [00:50:08] I GUESS FROM I YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE DETAIL? YEAH, BECAUSE IT SAYS, IT DOESN'T SAY TURNAROUND APRON. IT SAYS DRIVEWAY. APRON. THAT'S WHAT I AUTOMATICALLY MM-HMM. OKAY. THAT, SO THAT'S FOR, I DIDN'T THINK IT AS THAT. AND IT'S 20 AND IT'S 20 FOOT WIDE. SO THERE'D BE 10 FOOT. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT, BUT THAT'S WHY WHAT I WAS LOOKING AT, YOU GOT FIVE FOOT YARDS SET BACK AND YOU'RE GONNA EAT UP INTO THAT AND THEN YOU'RE GOT, THEN YOU HAVE WHAT, THREE FEET THAT YOU'RE GIVING UP OF YOUR 60, OF YOUR 55. SO YOU STILL GOT, UH, 52 FEET TO WORK WITH MM-HMM . AND YOU GOT A 20 FOOT DRIVEWAY AND YOU GOT 32 FEET LEFT. YEAH. NOT A VERY BIG TREE. . I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF THE NATURE OF THE TN ZONING IS IT'S A TIGHTER ZONING. IT IS. WELL IF YOU GET, IF YOU GET DOWN WATCH IN THE STREET, YEAH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE 55 FOOT LOTS. JUST EVERYBODY'S, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT TO, YOU CAN PASS SALT FROM ONE HOUSE TO THE OTHER. YOU, YOU CAN BUT ALL THE PARKING'S IN THE BACK. RIGHT. ALL THE PARK. WELL, EXCEPT WHEN YOU GO BEHIND THE FRONTAGE STREET, THE FRONTAGE HOUSES DO NOT HAVE ON THE STREET. BUT THIS IS KIND OF SAME SCENARIO. YOU'RE NOT FRONTING AT, DID YOU GO THE WAIVER AGAIN ON THE SIDEWALK? YOU'RE ASKING, UM, SO ON, ON THIS. I THINK SHE LIST TO PULL UP, SORRY. THE GREEN SIDEWALKS, THEY PLAN THE BILL ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE NEW STREET AND ALONG SOUTH ARLET. THEY DON'T WANT TO DO A SIDEWALK ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE NEW STREET WHERE THERE WON'T BE ANY HOUSES. AND WE'VE DONE THAT BEFORE, LIKE IN GON SQUARE SQUARE. THEY, THE MAGNOLIA SQUARE ON THE FAR EAST SIDE, THEY HAVE A LARGE OPEN SPACE THAT DOESN'T HAVE A SIDEWALK AND IT'S, BUT IT'S A LARGE ENOUGH OPEN SPACE THAT YOU CAN WALK IN BY ALL OF THEIR FOOTBALL IN THERE. UH, BUT HERE, THERE ARE NO HOUSES SINCE THEY, THEY'RE ASKING THEM TO NOT HAVE IT ON THAT SIDE SINCE THERE WON'T BE ANY HOUSES. BUT WE, WE HAVE DONE THAT BEFORE. NOW IF THAT WAS THE LARGER OPEN SPACE THAT WAS MORE USABLE, WE PROBABLY FEEL DIFFERENTLY ABOUT THAT. IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO DROP IT OFF ON, ON THAT ONE SIDE. SO THE HOUSE OR IF HOUSES WERE EVER BEEN UP FRONT ON IT, LIKE SINCE IT, THAT RIGHT OF WAY TOUCHED THE PROPERTY NEXT DOOR, DOOR TO THE WEST. BUT IN THIS CASE, THE PROPERTY, THIS RIGHTWAY DOES NOT TOUCH THAT PROPERTY TO THE WEST. SO THOSE, THOSE, IF THEY OVER THERE, THEY WON'T, THEY WON'T ACCESS THE STREET WITH REGARDS TO HOW THE HOUSES ARE SITTING AND, UH, NEIGHBORS TWO, THE AND THEY'VE BEEN NOTIFIED ABOUT THIS, CORRECT? WAS THE QUESTION ASKED OF HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT LOOKING AT BACKYARDS OF ALL THE HOUSES ALONG THE, ALONG FROM THEIR PROPERTY. YOU MIGHT HAVE TO ASK THE APPLICANT ABOUT THAT. WE DID DE DEFINITELY SENT OUT POSTCARDS AND DEVELOP THE STANDARD PUBLIC NOTICE. AND AT ONE TIME WE EVEN SUGGESTED THAT THEY WORK WITH THE NEIGHBOR TO EXPAND THE PROJECT AND MAKE IT LARGER. I DON'T THINK THEY WERE ABLE TO GET JASON PROPERTY OTHERS, BUT THEY DID SLIVER SOMEHOW. AN EXTRA SLIVER, DIDN'T THEY? IT DID GET BIGGER. THEY HAVE TWO, TWO PIECES THAT THEY'VE PUT TOGETHER FROM THE NEIGHBOR TO THE EAST. I'M NOT SURE THAT THE NEIGHBORS TO THE EAST OWNED THAT SLIVER. OKAY. IT MAY BEEN SOMEONE ELSE. I THINK THEY, IT WAS A SEPARATE PROPERTY. THE DISCUSSION. YOUR FOLLOW PLEASE, MR. STAMPS? FIRST. UH, UM, I CHAIRMAN, I'M, I'M GONNA UNDERSTAND YOU WE'RE GONNA SEE THIS WAIVER AGAIN ON THE SIDEWALKS AND STUFF AND I'M NOT SURE HOW I FEEL ABOUT THAT. I HOPE MADE THAT, BUT I'M STRUGGLING WITH THE, UH, THE CHARACTER OF HOW THIS IS, I KNOW IT'S APPROVED FROM THE D UM, DISTRICT, UH, ZONE, BUT HOW THIS WHOLE AREA IS GOING BE ZONED OUT AND STRUGGLED WITH WITH, WITH HOW THE CHARACTER IS GONNA FIT CHARACTER THIS, THIS STREET. BUT, BUT IT IS ZONED TOO. YEAH, IT IS ZONED NOW. THEY'RE NOT DOING THE ZONING NOW. NO, IT'S, IT IS, WELL THAT ONE, THAT ONE SPOT IS THE REST IS R ONE DIFFERENT AREAS. RIGHT. AND I'VE KIND OF LOOKED AT IT AS, AND THIS WAS A QUESTION I HAD BEFORE LOOKING AT SPOT ZONING AND UM, I KNOW WE'RE NOT GETTING INTO THAT 'CAUSE WE'VE ZONED, THIS IS ZONED FOR IT AND THE REST OF THE YEAR IT CAN BE ZONED FOR THIS. UM, BUT I'M ALSO HEARING THAT OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS ARE PROBABLY GONNA HAVE DIFFERENT, LIKE THE SIDEBAR IS, UH, SET [00:55:01] ASIDE FOR ANOTHER FAMILY MEMBER TO, TO BUILD A DIFFERENT TYPE OF STRUCTURE FIXING ROLLETTE THERE. SO. OKAY. UM, SO, UM, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA STAY BECAUSE I MAY SEE THIS AGAIN AND, AND HAVE SOME RESERVATIONS AND I DON'T SET, SO ANYWAY, STATE FOR NOW. DR. GREEN? YES. MR. BATES? I NO. MR. ROZANSKI? YES. MS. FLETCHER? YES. MR. GIBBON? UM, YES. MR. DUBOSE? YES. MR. COTTON? YES. ALRIGHT, JAMIE, WHAT OTHER THINGS WE HAVE COME FOR TONIGHT? GONNA PULL UP THE, LET'S SEE THE DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY MAP AND WE CAN SHOW YOU A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT ARE SUSPENDED ON THE TOWN'S WEBSITE UNDER, IN OUR MAP GALLERY. AND AS YOU PULL UP THIS MAP, YOU CAN SEE LOTS OF DOTS WHERE THERE, THERE'S NEW CONSTRUCTION AND NEW, NEW THINGS ARE COMING BEFORE THE TOWN. UM, THERE'S SOME RED DOTS THAT SHOW NEW, NEW APPLICATIONS. THERE ARE, UH, THERE'S AN APPLICATION THAT CAME FROM RELATED TO THE MCDONALD'S. UM, WE, AS THEY'VE GOTTEN INTO SUBDIVIDING THE PROPERTY, SPREAD THE OUT PARCEL, WE REALIZED THAT THEY NEEDED TO DO THAT. UM, SO THAT, THAT WE DID RECEIVE A, A SUBDIVISION FLAT TO CARVE OFF THE OUT OFFICER MCDONALD'S. AND SO YOU WILL SEE THE MCDONALD'S AT YOUR NEXT MEETING IN MARCH. UM, WE ALSO, ANOTHER RED DOT SHOWS, UH, SHOWS UP OVER IN SRU GROVE, UM, SOME OF JASON CRUZ'S SLASH HOLDINGS IN THE OAK ROAD PLAN DEVELOPMENT IN THAT SOUTH OF CARTERVILLE ROAD IN NORTH OF SHELBY DRIVE. UH, THEY CALL IT SECTION C. THEY'LL PROBABLY DEVELOP IT IN THREE WATTS, UH, THREE DIFFERENT PHASES. UH, SMALL, SMALL PHASES. THEY WANT TO GO AHEAD AND GET IT APPROVED NOW AND GET IT, GET IT ON ON THE BOOKS SO THAT THEY CAN START BUILDING IT WHEN, WHEN THEY HAVE, WHEN HAVE THE NEED. RIGHT NOW THEY REALLY DON'T HAVE THE NEED FOR THE LICENSE BILL, BUT THEY WANNA GET THE APPROVAL AND HAVE THAT TUCKED AWAY. AND, UM, JUST AS A A SIDE NOTE, WE HAVE A NEW PLANNER NAMED ALLISON DENS AND THAT'S ALLISON EMPLOYEE WAITING AND SHE'S ASSIGNED TO THIS PROJECT. SO YOU'LL GET TO SEE ALLISON PRESENT THIS CASE, NOT IN MARCH, BUT IT'LL PROBABLY BE APRIL OR MAY THAT IT'LL BE COMING FORWARD AND I'LL INTRODUCE HER MORE AT THE END OF THE MEETING. UH, SO OTHER NEW CASES, UH, OR WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF OTHER CASES GOING ON RIGHT NOW, BUT YOU MIGHT SEE SOME OTHERS LIKE, UH, YOU MIGHT SEE SOME OTHER CASES GO FORWARD LATER THIS, UH, SPRING IN SUMMER THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON IN THE BACKGROUND. ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT PENDING CASES OR CASES YOU'VE SEEN BEFORE YOU WISH YOU, WISH YOU KNEW WHAT HAPPENED TO YOU? ALRIGHT, IF NOT, I'LL KEEP GOING. SO I WANTED TO TALK AND BRIEF ON, UH, SOME CHANGES TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE. WE TALKED ABOUT THESE IN DECEMBER AND I WENT THROUGH A LOT, A LOT OF THINGS THAT WERE GOING ON THROUGH, THROUGH A LOT AT YOU GAVE, GAVE SOME FEEDBACK AND WE REPEATED THAT EXERCISE WITH THE MAYOR BOARD LAST MONTH AT THE RETREAT. THEY ALSO GAVE US SOME, SOME FEEDBACK. SO GOT, THEY WERE PRETTY SUPPORTIVE OF MOST OF THE CHANGES, BUT THEY DID GIVE US SOME THINGS I WANTED TO TOUCH ON THAT ARE DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT. EITHER, UH, IT EVOLVED AFTER, AFTER I MET IN DECEMBER OR WANTED TO CLARIFY EXACTLY WHAT THE, THE DA WAS WAS, UH, WHAT WAS WHAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT. UH, SO, UH, REQUIRED NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS. WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT IN DECEMBER FOR REZONINGS BECAUSE THERE'S A NEED TO BETTER EMPLOYMENT, COMMUNITY AND NEIGHBORHOOD BEFORE THIS MEETING HAPPENED SO THAT THEY'RE AWARE OF WHAT'S GOING ON. UH, THE MAYOR BOARD WAS SUPPORTIVE OF THAT. THEY WERE CAREFUL TO SAY THEY WANT THAT MEETING TO HAPPEN AFTER THE APPLICATION IS MADE, BUT BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING SO THAT WHEN THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETS, IT'S TIMELY, IT'S CLOSE TO THE MEETING AND THE APPLICANT SHOULD BE ABLE TO SHOW THEM EXACTLY WHAT THEY'VE TURNED IN. IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE, IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY PENDING BEFORE THE TOWN. SO THAT, THAT WAS IMPORTANT TO THE BOARD. THEY ALSO WANTED US TO EXPAND THIS, THIS CONCEPT OF NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS TO CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS. UM, SO THAT, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT. SOMETIMES WE SEE SOME REALLY LARGE CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS, MAYBE LIKE A CELL TOWER OR THINGS, THINGS LIKE THAT. AND SOMETIMES WE SEE MINOR ROOMS AND WE HAD A WHOLE DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER MINOR SMALL CONDITIONAL [01:00:01] USE USE PERMITS NEEDED A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING THAT ERRED ON THE SIDE OF SAYING YES, UH, TO THAT. 'CAUSE IT'S HARD TO TO KNOW WHEN WE SHOULD AND WHEN WE SHOULDN'T. UM, AND, BUT THAT, THAT WOULD NEED TO HAPPEN AFTER APPLICATION, BUT BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION. AND SOMETIMES SO THERE'S NEVER MEETINGS HAPPEN. SHE SEND OUT POSTCARDS OR LETTERS AND NOBODY COMES TO SEE. SO IT'LL BE, IT COULD BE A REALLY QUICK MEETING IF NOBODY SHOWS UP, BUT THEY'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS THAT WHOLE WHAT'S WHAT'S BEING SUBMITTED IN A WAY THAT PARTICIPATE IN THE PROCESS. ALSO, THERE'S SEVERAL THINGS IN, IN WHAT I SENT YOU THAT WERE SHADED BLUE. UH, SEVERAL IDEAS AND TOPICS. THOSE ALL RELATE TO THE CHANGES THAT HAVE EMERGED THAT NEED TO HAPPEN TO THIS PANEL CODE, WHICH IS TECHNICALLY NOT SOMETHING THE PLANNING COMMISSION MAKES A RECOMMENDATION ON. IT'S A, IT'S AN ORDINANCE THAT BMA ADOPTS AND SEPARATE REGULATIONS, BUT IT OVERLAPS A LOT WITH WHAT'S WHAT YOU DO. UH, SO FOR ONE, ONE EXAMPLE IS WE RECENTLY MOVED FROM THE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS TO THE TOWN CODE, OUR DRIVEWAY STANDARDS AND CURB CUT STANDARDS. AND IT WORKS WELL TO HAVE IT OUT THERE. UM, BUT IT DOESN'T REALLY, IT'S NOT CLEAR WHO HAS THE APPEAL PROCESS AND WHO, WHO OVERSEES WAIVERS. UH, SO NATHAN HAS GIVEN THE SUGGESTION AND BEHIND THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS THAT ROLE SINCE YOU SEE SITE PLANS AND SUBDIVISIONS A LOT. IT JUST DOESN'T SAY THAT IN THE TOWN CODE YET. SO WE NEED TO ADD THAT LANGUAGE. SO YOU'LL, YOU MIGHT SEE SOME, ALMOST LIKE A VARIANCE, A WAIVER REQUEST IF SOMEBODY DOESN'T WANT TO FOLLOW THE, THE, THE DRIVEWAY STANDARDS IN THE TAM CODE. SO GIVE US SOME MORE WORK TO DO. UH, ALSO THE, THE BOARD WAS CONCERNED WITH A PARKING ON LAWNS. UH, WE, WE'VE SEEN IN, IN SOME NEIGHBORHOODS, UM, FOLKS PARKED VEHICLES. IT MAY BE A WORK TRUCK, BUT IT ALSO MIGHT BE LIKE A, A A, A NORMAL VEHICLE, UM, EXCUSE ME. AND THEY'RE SEEING, HAVING CONCERNS ABOUT IT BEING PARKED ON THE LAWN. SO WE'RE THINKING ABOUT PUTTING THAT INTO THE TOWN CODE OR INTO LIKE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE, PROPERTY MAINTENANCE SECTIONS. SOMETIMES THAT CREATES ISSUES WITH, UH, RUTTING UP AND MUDDY MUDDING OF ROADS AND, AND YARDS. SO THAT'S, THAT'S PROBABLY WHERE WE'LL PUT THAT. WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THAT LANGUAGE RIGHT NOW. I UNDERSTAND THAT GERMANTOWN HAS A SIMILAR REGULATION, SO WE'LL, WE'LL LOOK AT HOW THEY HANDLE THAT. UH, ALSO WITH, UH, LIMITING WHERE RECREATIONAL VEHICLES, RVS, AND SKIDOOS AND THINGS LIKE THAT ARE PLACED ON THE LOT. WE LOOKED AT REVISING THAT LANGUAGE TO BETTER REFLECT, UH, HOME-BASED BUSINESSES AND, AND TREAT ALL TRAILERS THE SAME, WHETHER IT'S A RV TYPE TYPE TRAILER OR, OR A WORK TRAILER. TRY TO TREAT 'EM ALL THE SAME. BUT WE ALSO WANNA PUT SOME LANGUAGE IN THE TOWN CODE. AND THIS, THIS IS WHAT'S NEW, UH, TO ADDRESS PARKING ON PUBLIC STREETS. SOMETIMES PEOPLE PARK THESE TRAILERS ON STREETS AND WE NEED THAT LANGUAGE TO BE VERY CLOSE TO WHAT Y'ALL WOULD REQUIRE ON THE PRIVATE PROPERTY. UH, SO I WANTED TO MAKE Y'ALL AWARE OF THAT. AND ANOTHER CHANGE THAT WE BROUGHT UP IS SOMETHING THEY PUSHED BACK A LITTLE BIT ON, AND THAT WAS ABOUT RESIDENTIAL ACCESSORY STRUCTURES LIKE A, A SHED OR A DETACHED GARAGE BEING WITHIN FIVE FEET OF A PROPERTY LAWN. THEY, THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. THEY THOUGHT THAT WAS TOO CLOSE. AND WE DO ALLOW THAT IN SOME AREAS AROUND DOWNTOWN. UH, IN THIS ORANGE AREA WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT. YOU CAN'T HAVE A ACCESSORY STRUCTURE REALLY CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY LINE. UH, BUT IN AN R ONE TYPE ZONING OR R TWO ZONING, THE STANDARDS ARE DIFFERENT. THE STRUCTURE HAS TO BE SET BACK AS MUCH AS IT IS ALL. AND SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL DIALOGUE WITH THE BM A. BUT THERE'S, THERE'S SITUATIONS WE SEE AT THE BZA WHERE SOMEBODY WILL HAVE A, A SHED OR A A GARAGE AND IT HAS TO BE SET BACK FARTHER THAN THE HOUSE DOES. LET'S SAY IF IT'S R ONE AND IT'S A 10 FOOT SIDE YARD, MAYBE THE GARAGE OR THE SHED HAS TO BE SET BACK 15 FEET. AND THAT SEEMS COUNTERINTUITIVE AND IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T PASS THE SMELL TEST WORKING WITH NEIGHBORS 'CAUSE IT'S SUDDENLY PUSHING THEIR SHED IN THE MIDDLE OF THEIR BACKYARD. OR MAYBE THEY'VE GOT A POOL THERE. SO WE, WE WANT TO COME BACK TO THE BMA AND COME TO Y'ALL WITH, WITH SOME LANGUAGE THAT WOULD SAY SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT OF, IF, IF THE HOUSE CAN BE BUILT AT 10 FEET, SO IN THE GARAGE OR SO CAN THE SHED. SO KIND OF A, UH, HOPEFULLY THAT'LL ADDRESS SOME BCA CONCERNS AND, AND HOPEFULLY PROVIDE SOME FLEXIBILITY FOR, FOR PROPERTY OWNERS AND ACKNOWLEDGE THAT IF YOU CAN PUT A 25 OR A 30 FOOT TALL HOUSE THERE, YOU CAN PUT A 20 FOOT TALL GARAGE THERE TOO. UH, SO WE'RE GONNA WORK TO, TO THAT LANGUAGE. UH, SO THOSE, THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS I WANTED TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION THAT CAME UP AT THE DMA LEVEL. AND WE HOPE TO PUT A BOW ON THIS AS THE MONTH GOES ON, WORK CLOSELY WITH PEOPLE AND COME TO YOU IN MARCH. I HOPEFULLY ASK YOU FOR A VOTE. I WAS GONNA [01:05:01] ASK OR, OR SUGGEST THAT IF THIS IS A LOT TO DIGEST WHEN YOU COULD ALL THESE THINGS, IT'LL, IT'LL BE PAGES AND PAGES OF DAYS. UM, WE COULD DO A WORK SESSION EARLIER IN THAT DAY, SO MAYBE WE HAVE A WORK SESSION EARLIER IN THE EVENING AND HAVE YOUR REGULAR MEETING AT SIX. UH, THAT, THAT MIGHT BE A WAY TO, TO GET THROUGH SOME OF THIS. OR WHEN YOU SEE IT IN MARCH, YOU'RE NOT READY. YOU CAN ALWAYS REVIEW IT OR GIMME SOME FEEDBACK AND DELAY IT INTO THE APRIL. IT'S NOT A SUPER BIG URGENCY TO GET, GET IT ACROSS THE FINISH LINE. UH, BUT WE DO WANT TO TRY TO GET IT DONE HERE IN THE FIRST, FIRST HALF OF THE YEAR. I, I DON'T, I DIDN'T SAY THE SUGGESTION BOX, BUT I'M GONNA THROW ONE OUT THERE. SURE. LIGHTING. MM-HMM . UH, WE SEE COOL LIGHTING, WARM LIGHTING. UH, IT'D BE NICE IF THE TOWN TRIED TO ADDRESS THAT, ESPECIALLY IN, UH, HH WHERE THERE'S COMMUNITY LIGHTING MM-HMM . SO THAT IT'S CONSISTENT. UH, I WON'T GO WHETHER THE PREFERENCE, WHETHER IT'S COOLER, WARM, BUT UH, JUST CONSISTENCY WOULD BE NICE. WE DO HAVE SOME RULES OF THUMB ON WHAT WE USE AND SOME OF IT'S IN THE CODE AND SOME OF IT'S MORE OF A SUGGESTION, BUT WE CAN LOOK AND SEE IF, IF WE NEED TO BE BROUGHT THAT THOSE REGULATIONS. YEAH, I THINK ESPECIALLY IN OUR HT C AREA AND SOME OF THESE TN TYPE SCENARIOS WHERE THE HOUSES ARE REALLY CLOSE TOGETHER. I ALSO SEE YOU DRIVE THROUGH DALE AND YOU DRIVE THROUGH HALL. YOU WOULD BE NICE IF ALL THE COMMUNITY LIGHTING WAS THE SAME. KELVIN WE PUT THAT ON THE HOAS TO TAKE CARE OF. WE CAN LOOK AT THAT. AND ALSO, JAMIE, I HAD A QUESTION ON THE DOCUMENT YOU GAVE US ON THE RECENT CHANGES TO STATE LAWS. ONE OF 'EM REQUIRES A TENNESSEE REGISTERED LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT WITH OUR PROXIMITY TO MISSISSIPPI. IS THAT, IS THAT A STATE LAW THAT GOTTA BE A TENNESSEE OR IS THAT SOMETHING IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE WITH, YOU KNOW, WE COULD HAVE A BOX FULL ARCHITECT, BUT WE CAN'T USE ONE FILE BRANCH. AND THIS IS, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, AND SOME OF Y'ALL HAVE SEALS TO TELL ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT IF YOU SUBMIT A DRAWING IN TENNESSEE TO AN AGENCY, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE A TENNESSEE SEAL. BUT THAT'S A, YOU COULDN'T SUBMIT A MISSISSIPPI SEAL. I CAN'T SUBMIT STAMP DRAWINGS WITH MY TENNESSEE LICENSE IN ANY OTHER STATE. OKAY. I EITHER HAVE TO BE A REASON, BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVE TO LIVE THERE. I'VE GOT LICENSES IN EIGHT DIFFERENT STATES. THEY JUST ALL WANT THEIR FEES. LET'S SEE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS OR I'M MOVING ON TO OUR FINAL ANNOUNCEMENTS. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU FOR THE FEEDBACK. SO AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, WE HAVE ALLISON, SHE STARTED WITH US LAST MONTH AND UH, I WOULD SAY SHE'S BEEN WITH US LIKE THREE WEEKS NOW, BUT LAST WEEK DIDN'T REALLY COUNT. HAD A SNOW WEEK. UH, BUT SHE COMES TO US GOOD TIME. SHE'S A IAN THAT SPENDS SOME TIME IN THE LAST DAY IN MINNESOTA AND NOW SHE'S BACK, BACK. SHE BROUGHT BLOOD. I AING FOR THAT. SO WE'RE THANKFUL TO HAVE ALLISON WITH US AND YOU'LL SEE HER HERE AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION AT OTHER MEETINGS. UH, SO SOME STATE REQUIRED TRAINING. WE HAVE, UH, A MEMO DRAFTED FOR YOU. IT'S NOT QUITE READY TO RELEASE. WE'LL PROBABLY RELEASE IT ONE DAY. UH, THAT WE'LL HAVE, UM, AMPLE TRAINING OPPORTUNITIES FOR 2026. AND SOME OF Y'ALL HAVE EVEN RECEIVE SOME TRAINING, ALL THAT SOME OF THE ONE ON POINT TRAINING. UH, SO UPCOMING MEETINGS I MENTIONED AT MARCH, MARCH 5TH, MCDONALD'S HIT RESERVE, PHASE 1 33 FARM ALONG THERE, UM, THAT'S RIGHT NEXT TO PARK. SO THAT, THAT SHOULD BE COVERED TO YOU SOON WITH A CLEANUP ORDINANCE. UH, M LT W MIGHT COME BACK TO YOU AND ASK IF THEY CAN PUT THE SOLAR FARM THERE, UH, ON THEIR PROPERTY OFF OF WINCHESTER. THE ORDINANCE WE'RE WORKING ON, WE'LL MAKE THAT AT LEAST A POSSIBILITY. ULTIMATELY YOU, THE DMA MIGHT TO SET WHETHER THAT'S APPROPRIATE OR NOT, THAT IT WOULD SAY IT WOULD BE ALLOWED AN DO A CONDITIONAL USE DEPARTMENT IN YOUR APRIL MEETING. WE DON'T HAVE ANY CASES, BUT I WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT THAT'S ON A MONDAY. UH, THE REASON WHY WE MOVED IT IS THAT YOUR MEETING WOULD'VE BEEN ON, UH, GOOD FRIDAY'S EVE OR, OR MONDAY, THURSDAY. AND SOMETIMES IT'S HARD TO GET EVERYBODY TOGETHER BEFORE THREE DAY WEEKEND AND HAVE A, HAVE A QUORUM. SO WE MOVE THE PC MEETING TO MONDAY, APRIL 6TH. UH, AND THE VERY LAST THING I WANTED TO SAY IS, UH, SAVE, SAVE THE DATE, UH, APRIL OR MAY 12TH, 13TH AND 14TH WITH A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THERE'S WHAT WE CALL A THREAT WEEK THAT WILL HAPPEN WITH THE PLAN. UH, THAT'S WHERE OUR CONSULTANT WILL HAVE VERY INTENSIVE, UH, PLANNING SESSIONS AND FEEDBACK SESSIONS PLANNED ALL THROUGHOUT THE DAY. AS WE GET THE SCHEDULE, WE'LL MAKE Y'ALL AWARE OF IT. THERE MAY BE TIMES WHERE YOU COULD DROP IN DURING THE DAY THAT THERE MIGHT BE A REPORTING SESSION [01:10:01] EACH EVENING LIKE THAT. THAT'S TUESDAY AND THURSDAY AND EACH DAY WILL BUILD UPON THE NEXT. AND WE'LL COME OUT OF THAT WEEK WITH NOT A FINAL PLAN, BUT A REALLY GOOD DIRECTION ON WHAT WE CALL . AND WE'RE GONNA BE DOING A LOT MORE ENGAGEMENT BETWEEN NOW AND, AND AT THAT TIME TO BE ABLE TO GET EVEN MORE PUBLIC FEEDBACK. THE SURVEY IS STILL ACTIVE. UH, WE'LL GET GREAT FEEDBACK THERE. SO I REALLY EXCITED FOR THAT THAT WEEK AND WHAT COMES OUTTA THAT WEEK. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.