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[1 Call to order]
I'D LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE JANUARY 22ND, UH, MEETING OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT COMMITTEE.IF WE COULD STAND AND SAY THE PLEDGE.
I PLEDGE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH YOU STAND.
ONE NATION, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY OF JUSTICE FOR ALL PLAYABLE.
COULD WE HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CHAIRMAN KELSEY HERE.
REAL QUICK BEFORE WE MOVE ON, WE CAN WELCOME OUR NEW MEMBERS, CARSON LOONEY.
JEREMY, GIVEN THEY'RE BRAND NEW TO THE BOARD, JEREMY'S ON THE, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION LIAISON HERE.
[3 Selection of Officers]
WE HAVE TO ELECT OFFICERS NEXT BEFORE WE MOVE AHEAD.SO I WILL LEAVE THE FLOOR OPEN.
WE HAVE SEVERAL DIFFERENT OFFICERS.
YOU WANNA DO THE CHAIR FIRST OR DO YOU WANNA START? YEAH, THAT'S FINE.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I NOMINATE CHAD KELSEY.
WE HAVE TWO EMPTY OFFICERS SPOTS FOR SECRETARY, IS THAT CORRECT? UH, VICE CHAIR, VICE HERE.
SECRETARY, HISTORIAN AND PARLIAMENTARIAN.
I AM OPEN TO NOMINATIONS AND I'VE GOT THE PREVIOUS ONES ON YOUR SCREEN JUST FOR, FOR REFERENCE.
WE KEEP, UH, BILL AS HISTORIAN IF YOU'RE COOL WITH THAT.
COMMISSIONER COX? A COMMISSIONER.
WE NEED A SECRETARY, A VICE CHAIR, AND A PARLIAMENTARIAN.
I NOMINATE LAURA HALL TO CONTINUE AS SECRETARY.
WHAT'S IT, WHAT'S, I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T HEAR LAURA TO BE SECRETARY.
CAN, CAN WE ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
AND HE OPPOSED ANY? YOU ABSTAIN? THANK YOU.
I'LL NOMINATE MICHAEL WALKER AS VICE CHAIR.
ALL OPPOSED? ANY ABSTAIN? THANK YOU.
I KNOW WE HAVE ONE MORE PARLIAMENTARIAN.
WHAT, WHAT IS THE DEFINITION? WHAT DO WE NEED? THE PARLIAMENTARY.
I DON'T EVER MAKE SURE WE RUN, REMEMBER ANYBODY MAKE SURE WE RUN THE MEETING RIGHT.
UM, AND STAFF CAN CERTAINLY HELP WITH THAT.
IT'S JUST HELPING WITH ROBERT'S RULES, ROBERT, AND PROCEDURE.
AND, UM, Y'ALL, Y'ALL DO A PRETTY GOOD JOB OF STAYING.
WE HAVE A NOMINATION FOR TERRY DEAN, DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.
ALL OPPOSED? WHO STAINS? TERRY DEAN, THANK YOU.
ALRIGHT, SO NOW WE'RE READY FOR THE MINUTES FROM THAT'S CORRECT.
REAL, REAL QUICK, ANYONE BESIDES, UH, THAT IF YOU DON'T HAVE AN AGENDA ITEM, ANY JUST GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS, THERE'S CARDS UP AT THE BACK.
FILL THESE OUT, BRING IT TO STAFF.
YOU CAN SPEAK ON ANYTHING YOU LIKE.
[4 Approval of Minutes]
NOW WE NEED TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM OUR DECEMBER MEETING.ARE THERE ANY CHANGES FROM COMMISSIONERS? DO YOU READ 'EM OVER AND HAVE ANY ISSUES? NO CHANGES.
DO I HAVE A MOTION? MOTION TO APPROVE.
[5 Approval of Agenda (additions/deletions)]
JAMIE, ARE THERE ANY CHANGES[00:05:01]
TO THE AGENDA AS PRESENTED? NO.MR. CHAIRMAN, IT'S JUST AS WE ADVERTISED ONLINE, WE HAVE THREE ITEMS ALL UNDER THE FORMAL AGENDA.
UH, THE AGENDA STAYS AS PRESENTED.
ANY, DO I HAVE A MOTION? MOTION TO ACCEPT THE AGENDA AS SUBMITTED? SECOND.
CAN I HAVE A ROLL CALL? COMMISSIONER GIVEN? YES.
ARE THERE ANY CITIZENS' COMMENTS ON THE ELECTRONICALLY, JAMIE OR ANYONE IN THE CROWD? IT'S TIME TO COME DOWN.
AND I DON'T SEE ANY HERE, SO WE'RE MOVING ON.
WE DON'T HAVE A CONSENT AGENDA AS OF RIGHT NOW.
[8.a Case #252101 - 215 S. Center Street - South Center Subdivision, Lot 2 - Request approval of a Preliminary Site Plan and a Certificate of Appropriateness (CofA) for 12 dwellings above 6,440 square feet of non-residential on a 0.70-acre lot, located at the northwest corner of South Center Street and West South Street.]
ITEM NUMBER 2 5 2 1 0 1.I BELIEVE STAFF HAS A PRESENTATION.
GOOD AFTERNOON AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TODAY.
THE PURPOSE OF THIS AGENDA ITEM IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN LOCATED AT TWO 15 SOUTH CENTER STREET.
THE PROPERTY ONLY OWNER IS MACKLEMORE AND COMPANY REALTY AND THE APPLICANT IS MCCARTY GRANDBERRY ENGINEERING.
THE PROPERTY IS LOT TWO OF THE SOUTH CENTER SUBDIVISION AND THE PROPERTY IS ZONE CENTRAL BUSINESS.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS WITHIN THE LOCAL HISTORIC OVERLAY, BUT NOT WITHIN THE NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT.
IT'S KNOWN AS THE JOSEPH A. CAMPBELL HOUSE AND IT'S INDIVIDUALLY LISTED ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES.
IT WAS CONSTRUCTED AROUND 1876 AND REBUILT AROUND 1898.
THE REGISTRATION FORM STATES THE BUILDING DESIGN IS CONSIDERED TO BE QUEEN AND COTTAGE.
AND IN 19, IN THE 1990S, THE BUILDING WAS ADAPTIVELY REUSED AS AN OFFICE SPACE.
IN DECEMBER OF 2019, THE HCC DENIED A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR A DEMOLITION FINDING THAT THE STRUCTURE STILL HAD HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE.
THE BUILDING WAS USED AS A RESTAURANT, WHICH WAS GUS'S FRIED CHICKEN FROM 2008 TO 2022, BUT HAS REMAINED VACANT SINCE THEN.
AND LASTLY, A CERTIFICATE OF ECONOMIC HARDSHIP WAS CONDITIONALLY GRANTED BY THE HCC IN AUGUST OF LAST YEAR TO DEMOLISH THE BUILDING.
A THREE STORY MIXED USE BUILDING DESIGNED TO MATCH THE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS ON TOWN SQUARE IS PROPOSED TONIGHT BY THE APPLICANT.
IN MY STAFF REPORT, I DID MENTION THAT THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT WOULD BE 6,440 SQUARE FEET.
HOWEVER, THE ACTUAL SQUARE FOOTAGE IS 6,747 SQUARE FEET WITH A GRAND TOTAL OF 25 THOU 25,934 SQUARE FEET FOR ALL THREE FLOORS COMBINED.
THIS INCLUDES THE ROOFTOP AREA.
THERE ARE 12 DWELLING UNITS PROPOSED ABOVE THE RETAIL AND OFFICE SPACE, WHICH HAS A DENSITY OF 17 PORT ONE FOUR DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.
SINCE THE ZONING DISTRICT IS CENTRAL BUSINESS SETBACKS FOR THESE STRUCTURES ARE DETERMINED BY THEIR USE.
AND SINCE THIS IS CONSIDERED MIXED USE, THE FRONT FACADE ZONE IS ALLOWED TO BE BETWEEN ZERO TO 15 FEET.
THE SIDE AND REAR SETBACKS IS ALLOWED TO BE ZERO FEET.
THE BUILDING IS SITUATED WITHIN THE FRONT FACADE ZONE ALONG SOUTH CENTER STREET AT ABOUT 11 FEET AND THREE FEET BACK FROM WEST SOUTH STREET, THERE IS A 78 FOOT SIDE YARD SETBACK TO THE WEST AND A 0.53 FOOT SETBACK, UM, SETBACK TO THE NORTH.
THE THREE STORY BUILDING WAS DESIGNED TO INCORPORATE ELEMENTS OF COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT ON THE TOWN SQUARE.
SEVERAL BUILDINGS AROUND THE SQUARE SUCH AS PATRICIA'S BOUTIQUE, THE JOHN GREEN BUILDING AND THE WILSON KELSEY KELSEY BUILDINGS ALL RELATE TO THE PROPOSED BUILDING.
YOU SEE ON YOUR SCREEN, THE BUILDING IS MAJORITY BRICK ON ALL ELEVATIONS.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING THE USE OF A LIGHT BRICK VENEER CALLED GLEN GARY BIRCH.
AND I DO HAVE A SAMPLE OF THAT.
IT IS BEHIND YOU IN THE WINDOW IF YOU WANT TO PASS IT AROUND.
UM, FIBER CEMENT SIDING WILL BE USED IN THE COLOR, SIMPLY BEIGE.
AND THIS WILL BE LOCATED ON THE ELEVATOR.
PENTHOUSE PARAPETS ARE PROPOSED ALONG THE STREET FOR SIZE, AND THIS WILL AID IN SCREENING ANY ROOFTOP UNITS AND FENCING IS ALSO PROPOSED ALONG THE ROOFTOP AMENITY AREA.
ADDITIONAL DETAILS INCLUDE DECORATIVE RAILING BULKHEADS ALONG THE STREET AND THE RECESSED ENTRY FEATURE.
THE GROUND FLOOR WINDOWS AND DOORS ARE TRANSPARENT BECAUSE THE GROUND FLOOR WILL BE USED FOR RETAIL DISPLAY AREAS AND OFFICE SPACES.
THE SECOND AND THIRD FLOOR WINDOWS WILL BE
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DO DOUBLE HUNG WITH SIMULATED DIVIDED LIGHTS.SIX OVER SIX, WHICH IS SIMILAR TO OTHER WINDOWS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE SHUTTERS ARE DIMENSIONAL TO HAVE THE SIZE OF THE WINDOW, BUT THEY WILL ONLY BE DECORATIVE.
AND LASTLY, THERE ARE SLIDING DOORS PROPOSED AT THE JULIET BALCONIES.
OVERALL, THE BUILDING DOES INCORPORATE HORIZONTAL AND VERTICAL ARTICULATION, AND THIS AIDS IN REDUCING THE MASSING OF THE BUILDING WHILE PROVIDING THE HUMAN SCALE REGARDING THE ELEVATION.
STAFF DOES HAVE CONCERN WITH THE COLOR OF THE BRICK AND THE DECORATIVE SHUTTERS, AND THIS HAS BEEN ADDRESSED WITHIN THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.
EXTENSIVE LANDSCAPING IS SHOWN AROUND THE BUILDING, THE PARKING LOT AREA AND THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE.
DUE TO SEVERAL OVERHEAD MLGW POWER LINES, STREET TREES ARE NOT POSSIBLE AS THAT COULD CONFLICT WITH THOSE POWER LINES.
AND THERE'S ALSO LANDSCAPING PROPOSED WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY ALONG CENTER STREET HERE THE APPLICANT STATES THE PROPERTY OWNER WILL, WILL MAINTAIN THESE PLANTINGS AND PARKS AND RECS HAS APPROVED THE LANDSCAPE AND SHOWN IN THE RIGHT OF WAY SEVERAL PLANTERS ARE PROPOSED ALONG SOUTH CENTER STREET WITH LED STRIP LIGHTING, AS YOU CAN SEE ON YOUR SCREEN.
AND WHILE TRADIT, TRADITIONAL WALL-MOUNTED AND POLE MOUNTED FIXTURES ARE PROPOSED THROUGHOUT THE SITE AND ON THE BUILDING, A BLACK IRON FENCE IN A GATE IS ALSO PROPOSED IN THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY TO ENCLOSE SOME OF THE PARKING SPACES.
IN REGARD TO THE SITE STAFF HAS CONCERN WITH THE PLACEMENT OF THE DUMPSTER AND MORE INFORMATION IS NEEDED ABOUT THE PROPOSED FENCING GATE.
AND UM, AND THOSE ALSO ARE IN THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.
THERE ARE 16 UNGATED PARKING SPACES PROPOSED ALONG THE WEST SIDE OF THE SITE AND 23 PROPOSED TO THE NORTH.
WHEN THESE ARE GATED, THERE ARE FIVE ANGLED ON STREET PARKING SPACES ALONG SOUTH CENTER STREET.
THIS WILL BE CONSTRUCTED WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO NOTE THAT THE TOWN ZONING ORDINANCE DOES NOT REQUIRE ALL STREET PARKING FOR DEVELOPMENTS WITHIN THE CENTRAL BUSINESS ZONING.
DISTRICT STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN BECAUSE WITH THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, THE SITE WILL BE CONSISTENT WITH THE LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES AND THE ZONING REGULATIONS.
THE NEXT STEPS INCLUDE, UH, UPCOMING PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING ON THE FIFTH AND THEN A BMA MEETING ON THE 23RD OF NEXT MONTH.
THE APPLICANT WILL NEED TO SUBMIT A FINAL SITE PLAN AND A FINAL PLAT APPLICATION FOR REVIEW BEFORE THEY CAN GET BUILDING PERMITS.
THE EXAMPLE MOTION IS ON YOUR SCREEN.
THERE ARE 15 CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.
AND JUST TO NOTE, I DID MAKE A MINOR EDIT TO CONDITIONS NUMBER TWO AND NUMBER THREE.
I MISTAKENLY MIXED UP THE LAST TWO SENTENCES FOR EACH OF THOSE.
SO THOSE ARE SWITCHED SENTENCES, THE ONES THAT HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW.
UM, THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION AND I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY.
AND ALSO THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT AS WELL.
UH, WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF RIGHT NOW? I'D LIKE TO KNOW THAT WHAT STAFF'S OBJECTION IS TO THE DUMPSTER.
IS IT, IS IT JUST THE, THE ENCLOSURE? IT'S, IT'S 'CAUSE IT'S FACING THE STREET.
HAS STAFF ASKED THE APPLICANT IF THEY COULD TURN THE ENCLOSURE? I'M SORRY.
HAS STAFF ASKED IF THERE'S ANY OTHER WAY TO MOVE THE ENCLOSURE BEHIND THE BOARD? WE DID WITH THE INITIAL SUBMITTAL.
UM, BUT I THINK THEY STATED THERE WAS SOME CON PARKING LOT CONFIGURATION AND IT DIDN'T WORK.
SO THAT'S WHY THEY BACK UP TO THE SIDE PLAN.
THERE IT'S, I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY WOULD POSITION IT WHERE IT WASN'T FACING THE STREET.
GOTTA GET THE RADIUS ON THE TURN OF THE DUMP TRUCK, YOU LOSE IT.
BUT I MEAN, THE STREET'S ON BOTH SIDES, SO I DON'T KNOW.
THE ONLY WAY TO DO IT WOULD BE TO PUT IT FACING NORTH AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD PUT IT, THE DRIVEWAY'S THERE.
AND THAT'S WHY IT'S A CONDITION OF APPROVAL FOR THE, THE HT C TO DECIDE TO DECIDE ON AND THE SPECIFICS ON THE ENCLOSURE SOLID OR ARE THEY A, AN OPEN IRON GATE? WE DON'T HAVE THE INFORMATION YET.
AND AS, AS WELL, THAT'S ANOTHER CONDITION.
WE NEED MORE DETAILS ABOUT THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE.
AND WE DID HAVE A CONDITION STATING IT NEEDS TWO, I BELIEVE MATCH MIDSOUTH GIFTED ACADEMY ACROSS THE STREET.
YEAH, IT'D BE NICE TO KNOW THE MATERIAL.
UH, JUST A TYPICAL WOOD GATE AROUND A DUMPSTER TYPICALLY DOESN'T LAST VERY LONG.
YEAH, THE APPLICANT MAY HAVE SOME MORE INFORMATION ON THERE.
THEY MAY TO DISCUSS THAT AND THEY GET READY TO COME UP.
ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE REAL QUICK WITH STAFF? I, I, I THINK I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS.
LIKE AS FAR AS THE WINDOWS, I'M
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NOT FAMILIAR WITH WHAT OUR SPECIFICATION IS FOR WINDOWS, BUT ON, ARE THOSE RAISED MUS ON THE WINDOWS? THEY'RE NOT INTERNALLY BROKEN.YEAH, THEY SHOULD BE ON THE OUTSIDE, NOT INSIDE.
AND THEN AS FAR AS THE, UM, RETAIL SIDE, I DON'T KNOW.
I KNOW WE HAVE A LOT OF ARCHITECTS ON STAFF, BUT AS I LOOK AT THE PLANS, I THINK IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE THE WINDOWS BROKEN ON THE FIRST FLOOR.
UM, BECAUSE THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE BUILDING, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, UNLESS YOU'RE STANDING BACK AND YOU SEE THE BROKEN WINDOWS ON THE SECOND AND THIRD FLOOR AS YOU'RE WALKING THE STREETSCAPE, IT'D BE NICE TO KNOW YOU'RE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT BY HAVING THOSE WINDOWS MATCH.
WHAT'S MORE IN LINE WITH THE SQUARE AND A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE SHUTTERS.
YOU ACROSS THE STREET? DID WE WE REQUIRE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.
I CAN'T RE I DIDN'T WORK ON THAT.
ON MID SOUTH GIFTED ACADEMY, JAMIE MAY BE ABLE TO, THEY DO NOT HAVE, UH, SHUTTERS ON, ON THAT BUILDING.
IF THEY HAD HAD SHUTTERS, WE WOULD'VE HAD A, WOULD'VE HAD A SIMILAR COMMENT.
BECAUSE THIS IS A GUIDELINE FOR BASICALLY AN ENTIRE DISTRICT THAT WE CAN MAKE EVERYONE LOOK AT.
ANYBODY ELSE? I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE JULIET BALCONIES ON THE DRAWING.
IT'S A MUCH SIMPLER DESIGN THAN ON THE IMAGE IN THE PICTURE.
YEAH, I DID MENTION THAT THEY DID SAY IT WOULD BE DECORATIVE TO MATCH WHAT'S IN THE RENDERING.
WE'LL, UH, WE'LL ASK THEM WHEN THEY YEAH, YEAH.
UH, ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT? PLEASE COME UP.
MCCARTY GRANDBERRY ENGINEERING 1 98 PROGRESS ROAD HERE IN CARVILLE.
AND WE BROUGHT A WHOLE ENTOURAGE TODAY TO, UH, PERFORM FOR Y'ALL.
HOPEFULLY WE CAN MEET Y'ALL'S EXPECTATIONS.
UH, Y'ALL ARE SOMEWHAT FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE.
WE WENT OVER IT IN SOME LEVEL OF DETAIL WHEN WE CAME THROUGH WITH THE DEMOLITION PERMIT.
UM, WE HAVE MAXIMIZED THE SITE TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITIES.
UM, OUR GOAL WAS TO MEET, UM, THE WHAT WAS LAID OUT IN THE DOWNTOWN SMALL AREA PLAN AND BRING A PROJECT THAT, THAT WE ARE PROUD OF AND THAT Y'ALL WOULD BE PROUD OF AND WOULD HOPEFULLY SPUR MORE OF THE DEVELOPMENT THAT THE DOWNTOWN SMALL AREA PLAN WAS PUT TOGETHER TO PROMOTE.
UM, ONE OF THE MAIN ATTRIBUTES THAT WE'VE TRIED TO MEET IS PROVIDING PARKING FOR THIS SITE SO THAT IT FUNCTIONS WELL, WHETHER IT WAS NOT REQUIRED BY THE ZONING DISTRICT OR NOT.
A PROJECT LIKE THIS LIVES AND DIES BY PEOPLE BEING ABLE TO GET TO IT AND IT FUNCTION WELL TILL WE'VE GOT ALL THE ONSITE PARKING THAT WE COULD SQUEEZE ON THERE, WHICH DOES ALLOW FOR THE DUMPSTER.
LET'S SEE, SOME PARKING SPACE.
IT FORCES THE DUMPSTER TO FACE SOUTH AS IT IS.
UM, THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF A GRADE CHANGE.
CORY BRADY WILL SPEAK ABOUT THE DESIGN OF THE GATES HERE IN A LITTLE BIT.
HE'S THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT ON THE PROJECT AND I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT HE CAN PROVIDE SOME THINGS THAT THROUGH ARCHITECTURAL DETAIL ON SOLID PANELS.
DEFINITELY NOT A WOODGATE BY ANY MEANS THAT WILL, UH, HELP, UH, REDUCE ANY ISSUES.
THE ONLY OTHER ISSUES, THE ONE THAT, UH, WOULD BE MAINTAINED BY THE, UH, THE DEVELOPER, UH, THE TIGHT OCCUPANTS AS FAR AS KEEPING THE GATES CLOSED, WHICH IS, UH, SOMETHING WE EXPECT.
UM, WE THINK IT'S A GREAT PROJECT.
UM, WE'VE GOT A WHOLE TEAM HERE TODAY.
UH, THE MACKLEMORES AND BART THOMAS ARE THE DEVELOPERS.
THEY'RE GONNA SPEAK HERE IN A LITTLE BIT.
AND WE'VE GOT ARCHITECTS AND LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS.
CIVIL ENGINEERING'S PROBABLY THE THE GREATEST THING WE'RE LACKING TODAY.
UM, AS FAR AS THE, THE BIG ISSUES, I THINK, UM, THE BRICK COLOR IS THE MAIN THING THAT THE, THE APPLICANT, UH, THE
AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN WORK OUT SOME MIDDLE GROUND.
HAVING LOOKED AT A LOT OF THE DIFFERENT STUFF AROUND THE SQUARE AND LOOKING AT WHAT THE, UH, THE APPLICANTS ACTUALLY DESIRE FOR THE PROJECT IS.
THEY, THEY HOPE THEY CAN GET APPROVAL FOR AS CLOSE AS THEY'VE SUBMITTED AS POSSIBLE.
UH, LOOKING ACROSS THE STREET AT THE, UH, MID-SOUTH GIFTED ACADEMY, I THINK LIKE MAYBE 15 OR 20% OF IT'S RED.
I'M LOOKING AT THE ARCHITECT FOR THAT PROJECT ABOUT, ABOUT THAT MUCH.
AND THERE ARE A LOT OF WHITE, UH, BRICK PICTURES.
I WAS LOOKING AT A LOT OF THE OLD HISTORIC PICTURES ON THE SQUARE.
IT WAS A LOT OF WHITE BUILDINGS ON THE SQUARE A LONG TIME AGO.
UH, LIKE EVEN WHEN THEY PULLED THAT FACADE OFF MCGINNIS HARDWARE RECENTLY, YOU SEE ALL THE OLD WHITE PAINT UNDERNEATH IT, EVEN THROUGH THE OLD BLACK SMOKE STAINS FROM THE FIRE THAT HAPPENED THERE.
UM, AS FAR AS THE, UH, THE OTHER ITEMS, UM, THERE SITE IS TIGHT.
WE'VE GOT A RETAINING WALL ALONG THE NORTH SIDE OF THE SITE.
SEE IF I CAN SHOW Y'ALL MY ARTISTIC ABILITIES.
THE RETAINING WALL IS ONLY ALONG THE PARKING LOT.
THE, THE BUILDING FOUNDATION WILL BE THE FOUNDATION OF THE BUILDING ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE NATURAL GROUND WITH THE BRICK MATCHING THE BRICK, UM, NOT THE RETAINING WALL RUNNING ALL THE WAY ALONG THE SIDE OF THE BRICK.
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STEPPED THE ENTRANCES DOWN AS YOU COME DOWN CENTER STREET TO FOLLOW THE GRADE.A VERY TOUGH GRADE TO DO, UH, A DA ENTRANCES ON AND MAKE IT WORK.
UM, CORY'S WORKED UP, UH, THE LANDSCAPE PLAN FOR HAVING A PLANTER BED THAT'LL HAVE THE SEPARATION IN THE GRAVE.
SO THE, THE STREET WILL BE ON A SLOPE, UH, FOR A DA ACCESSIBILITY.
THEN THE CUT THROUGHS COME THROUGH WITH THE RIGHT AREAS TO HAVE THE ELEVATIONS MATCH AND THE STEPS WILL BE UP ADJACENT TO THE BUILDING.
UM, CENTER STREET IS, OR SOUTH STREET'S FLAT, SO WE HAVE NO ISSUES THERE.
AND WE'RE UP MATCHING SOUTH STREET ELEVATION.
SO WE'VE GOT POSITIVE DRAINAGE AWAY FROM THE BUILDING.
BUT, UH, A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT WE FOUGHT ON THIS SITE IS RELATED TO THAT.
UM, THE ON STREET PARKING, WE'VE DESIGNED IT IN A WAY TO MATCH WHAT WAS DONE WITH THE TOWN CENTER STREET PROJECT EVERYWHERE ELSE.
UM, THE, THE TWO RETAIL BUILDINGS, UM, THAT ARE FACING CENTER STREET, UM, WILL BE FOR AT LEAST TO, TO TENANTS.
WE DON'T KNOW WHO THOSE ARE GONNA BE YET.
AND THE, THE OFFICE BUILDING FACING SOUTH STREET, I THINK THE MAJORITY OF THAT'S GONNA BE THE MACKLEMORE OPERATIONS AND THEY CAN SPEAK A LITTLE BIT TO IT.
UM, I'M GONNA LET THOSE, UH, OTHER TEAM MEMBERS PROBABLY STARTING WITH THE MACKLEMORES COME UP AND, UH, IF THEY WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE BRICK AND THEN WE'LL GET INTO THE, UH, ANYTHING QUESTIONS Y'ALL HAVE OR FIONA AND COREY PROBABLY HAVE A FEW THINGS TO TELL Y'ALL.
UM, I THINK THE BIGGEST THING THAT WE WANTED TO SPEAK TO WAS THE, THE BRICK COLOR.
UM, AND YOU'LL SEE AN EXAMPLE OF IT HERE ON THIS BOARD.
I THINK THAT, UH, FIONA PICKED OUT THE BRICK DURING THE DESIGN PROCESS.
AND I, I THINK TIFFANY REALLY, UH, MY WIFE PARTICULARLY LIKE IT, AND SHE CAN SPEAK TO THIS BETTER THAN I CAN, BUT YOU WE'RE GONNA TRY TO UTILIZE A LOT OF IRON WORK, UH, AS YOU SEE HERE AND, AND ON THE, THE BALCONIES AND, AND THE DOWN BELOW.
OUR OFFICE ON THE SQUARE RIGHT NOW IS, IS AT 1 1 8 EAST MULBERRY STREET.
AND SO WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON THE SQUARE AND WE LIKE THE ARCHITECTURAL LOOK OF THE SQUARE.
AND SOME OF THOSE BUILDINGS HAVE, UH, WHAT IS EITHER IRON WORK OR APPEARS TO BE IRON WORK THAT'S, THAT'S BLACK.
AND OUR FEELING IS A LIGHTER COLOR BRICK IS GOING TO LET THAT POP A LOT MORE THAN GOING WITH A RED COLOR BRICK.
I THINK IT'LL JUST KIND OF DISAPPEAR.
UH, DO YOU WANNA SPEAK TO THAT? YEAH.
WE COMPARED IT, UM, WITH SOME RED BRICKS AND IT JUST REALLY DIDN'T HAVE THE, THE LOOK THAT WE THOUGHT, ESPECIALLY WITH THIS BEING, UM, SOMEWHAT RE OF A RESIDENTIAL BUILDING TOO.
IT JUST A SOFTER, UM, YOU KNOW, IT, YOU, YOU COULD SEE THE ACCENTS IN IT A LOT MORE.
AND ONLY OTHER THING I'D SAY IS JUST I'M A NATIVE IAN AND, AND LIVED IN THE, THE MEMPHIS, CHICAGO AREA MY ENTIRE LIFE.
I THINK IT'S JUST AN INCREDIBLE ASSET AND WE'RE PARTICULARLY PROUD TO BE BUILDING THE BUILDING AND BEING PART OF THE HISTORIC PART OF THE SQUARE AND EVERYTHING THAT WE WANT TO DO.
OUR HOPE IS THAT IT WILL ENCOURAGE FUTURE GROWTH THROUGH BELOW US ONTO THE POST OFFICE.
UH, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S, IT'S SO BENEFICIAL FOR THE AREA.
WE, WE ATE RECENTLY AT THE NEW MAS AND, AND INTENTIONALLY WALKED OVER TO WHERE OUR BUILDING SITE IS AND IT'S SO WALKABLE.
I JUST THINK IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A GREAT ASSET FOR THE AREA.
SO IF YOU WANNA SPEAK ANYMORE, BUT THANK YOU.
FIONA MATTHEW HERE AGAIN, GOOD TO SEE YOU ALL.
UM, THANK YOU FOR THE STAFF REPORT AND THE FEEDBACK, UM, AND FOR WALKING US THROUGH THIS BEAUTIFUL PROJECT.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE MACKLEMORE'S TALKED ABOUT THEIR, UM, PREFERENCE OF THIS BRICK.
I THINK IT REALLY, REALLY, UM, MAKES THE BUILDING ATTRACTIVE.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT AS AN ARCHITECT, I WANTED TO LOOK AT THE HISTORIC BUILDINGS AROUND THE SQUARE AND HOW IT CAN BE COMPLIMENTED WITH THE BRICK THAT WE CHOSE.
AND SO THIS ONE HAS KIND OF A RED BACKGROUND TO IT, AND THEN IT'S, YOU KNOW, KIND OF A PAINTED LOOK, UM, WHICH WE THOUGHT REALLY BLENDS WELL, UM, WITH THAT TOWN SQUARE.
UM, BUT BEYOND THAT, I THINK THAT WAS THE ONLY CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT STOOD OUT TO US THAT WE WANTED TO DISCUSS WITH YOU ALL AND SEE IF YOU'D BE OPEN TO PRESERVING THAT BRICK FOR US FOR THIS PROJECT.
UM, THE OTHER CONDITIONS SEEMED SOMETHING WE CAN WORK WITH, UM, PROVIDE MORE DETAILS.
I DO HAVE SOME OF THAT TODAY IF WE WANTED TO GO INTO IT.
BUT AS FAR AS THE BRICK GOES, IF WOULD LOVE TO HEAR YOUR THOUGHTS AND, AND WHERE YOU'RE KIND OF STANDING WITH IT.
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JUST 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW, AND THE ARCHITECTS CAN TELL ME.AND YOU OBVIOUSLY, IT'S A BRICK VENEERS OVER, THEY CALLING IT.
SO DOES IT COME LIKE THIS OR IS THE BRICK PUT UP AND THEN IT'S ADDED, BUT, OR DOES IT COME STRAIGHT OUTTA MANUFACTURER LIKE THAT? IT COMES LIKE THAT, BUT IT IS A VENEER ON A BRICK.
IS THE VENEER, IS THE WALL NO MATTER WHAT THE MATERIAL IS.
SO THAT'S DONE PRODUCT THAT'S NOT A SECOND.
SHE SAID IT WAS A WHOLE BRICK.
HOW, HOW LONG AND WIDE IS THE BUILDING FACING CENTER AND SOUTH? UM, I APPROXIMATELY, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE TO THE ANSWER TO THE FOOT, BUT JUST APPROXIMATELY.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE I, AND I'M HAPPY TO SHARE THESE AROUND AS WELL.
YOU SAID FROM CENTER STREET THAT WELL ALONG, ALONG CENTER STREET AND ALONG SOUTH STREET.
SO ALONG CENTER STREET, IT'S ROUGHLY A HUNDRED FEET.
AND ON SOUTH IS IT'S 1 0 7, SO YOU'RE EVEN CLOSER.
ON THE, AND ON SOUTH IS ABOUT 150, 160 FEET WIDE.
UH, DO WE HAVE ANY PHOTOS THAT JUST PAN AROUND THE SQUARE THAT SHOW THE BUILDINGS? JEN, YOU CAN PULL A, A GOOGLE OR LIKE, LIKE RIGHT THERE IS GOOD.
WHEN, WHEN I, FIRST OFF, I WANNA COMPLIMENT THE OWNER FOR THIS BUILDING, PROPOSING THIS BUILDING ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH YOU THAT, UM, THIS COULD ADD A GREAT BOOST FOR THE AREA AND, UH, AND HELP THE WHOLE TOWN.
SO WE ONLY, OH, MY COMMENTS ARE ONLY TRYING TO HELP MAKE IT BETTER IF POSSIBLE.
BUT WHEN I LOOK AT THE SQUARE, AND WHEN I THINK ABOUT THE SQUARE AND HOW WONDERFUL IT IS FOR OUR AREA IN THE MID-SOUTH, IF YOU LOOK AT THE SQUARE, IT'S A, A LOT OF BUILDINGS THAT COME TOGETHER.
AND IT'S THE SCALE AND THE RHYTHM, NOT NECESSARILY A PARTICULAR RED BRICK IS WHAT I'M LOOKING AT.
I'M LOOKING AT THE SCALE OF MAYBE, UH, LAKE PATRICIA'S, THAT'S TWO BAYS WHERE YOU PICKED UP THIS PARAPET WALL MM-HMM
BUT EACH BAY MAY ONLY BE 20, 30 FOOT WIDE.
AND SO PATRICIA'S MIGHT BE 60 FEET AT BEST.
AND THEN YOU COME TO ANOTHER BUILDING AND THEN ANOTHER BUILDING.
AND SO THERE'S ARTICULATION ALONG THE STREET WHICH GIVES IT CHARACTER VERSUS LOOKING LIKE, UM, A PROJECT.
AND IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE WE OUGHT TO, I HATE THE WORD MATCH WHAT IN ARCHITECTURE, I HATE THE WORD.
UH, YOU KNOW, YOU SHOULD, YOU SHOULD COMPLY, YOU KNOW, BUT COMPLIMENT IS WHAT I'M THINKING.
YOU COULD EASILY TAKE WHAT YOU HAVE HERE AND POSSIBLY BLEND.
AND I'M NOT NECESSARILY THINKING THAT THE, THE BUILDING, THE NEWER BUILDING ACROSS THE STREET IS THE BEST EXAMPLE OF WHAT I'M THINKING.
BUT YOU COULD TAKE THIS CENTERPIECE OF YOUR BUILDING AND MAYBE INTRODUCE A COMPLIMENTARY BRICK.
MAYBE THE BASE OF THE BUILDING COULD BE A, UH, A DIFFERENT TONE OF BRICK TO CREATE A BASE.
AND THEN THE TOP, UH, YOU COULD ARTICULATE WITH, UH, THIS LONG SIDE BEING ONE, ONE MONOCHROMATIC COLOR SEEMS MORE INSTITUTIONAL OR LIKE A PROJECT.
CARSON, I, AS YOU JUST SAID, WHAT YOU SAID, UM, I'M NOT SAYING THIS IS THE EXAMPLE, BUT IF YOU GO TO SNOWDEN GROVE, WHAT THEY DID ACROSS FROM SNOWDEN GROVE PARK, THEY TOOK THE OLD BRICKS AND THEY DID EXACTLY WHAT YOU DID FOR EACH ONE OF THE RETAILS.
THEY KINDA SWITCHED THE, BUT THEY ALL HAD A, A FAMILY OF BRICK.
BUT THEY, BUT I, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
AS YOU LOOK AT THE INDIVIDUAL BUILDINGS, THE, THE INDIVIDUAL BRICKS KIND OF, THEY'RE DIFFERENT AND, AND THERE'S A CRAFT TO WHAT, WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT ALSO, IF YOU JUST, IF IF TAKE EACH BAY AND PUT A DIFFERENT BRICK ON IT, THAT LOOKS MICKEY MOUSE.
BUT IF THERE'S JUST A POTENTIAL TONAL VALUES THAT YOU COULD ADD GREATER LEVEL OF INTEREST IN DETAIL AND RICHNESS TO THE BUILDING BUILDING'S, A GOOD LOOKING BUILDING, DID A NICE JOB WITH IT.
UH, IT JUST ONE MONOCHROMATIC COLOR FOR THIS SIZE OF STRUCTURE SEEMS A LITTLE INAPPROPRIATE FOR, FOR THE SQUARE.
WANT A SECOND? WHAT CARSON'S SAYING? THE, TO ME, IT'S, AGAIN, EVERYTHING ABOUT THE BUILDING I LIKE, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE COLOR, IT, IT, TO ME IT'S JUST TOO MUCH OF THE SAME.
UH, AS HE WAS SAYING, I THINK YOU'VE GOT A HINGE POINT ON THE CORNER, UH, ESPECIALLY BEING A, A DIFFERENT ARCHITECTURE.
YOU DON'T HAVE THE, THE DETAIL OF THE, THE BAYS.
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UH, TO MAKE THAT A HINGE POINT AND, AND DIFFERENT COLOR BRICK THERE? UM, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT TO DESIGN IT FOR YOU.UM, BUT YOU'VE GOT SOME, UM, YOU'VE GOT SOME LENTILS, SOME COLUMNS OR PI LASTERS, UH, SOME HEADERS AND WHATNOT THAT GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, TO HAVE SOME DIFFERENT PANELS IN THERE.
UM, I THINK SOMETHING THAT WORKS WELL ON THE SQUARE IS THAT PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING HAS A, A SOLID OR A HEAVY COLOR AT THE BASE, WHICH KIND OF SETS THE BUILDING INTO THE, INTO THE GROUND.
UM, AND, AND, AND AGREE WITH YOU ALSO THAT THE BUILDING ACROSS THE STREET MAY NOT BE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AS FAR AS A MIXED USE OF COLOR OR PERCENTAGE OF IT.
I DON'T WANNA SAY, HEY, WE NEED 50% DARK AND 50% LIGHT.
IT'S, I THINK THERE'S JUST, UH, SOMETHING THAT JUST, IN MY OPINION, UH, JUST NEEDS SOME MORE THOUGHT TO IT.
SO MICHAEL AND CARSON, I HAVE A QUESTION AS WE TALK ABOUT THE BRICK, DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ABOUT THE WINDOWS AT THE FIRST FLOOR? THE RETAIL, I DON'T MIND THE, THE OPEN WINDOWS.
UM, WE'VE GOT A MIX OF IT ON THE SQUARE AND IT DOES SIGNIFY THAT IT IS A DIFFERENT USE.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S, YOU KNOW, NO, I DON'T MIND IT SO MUCH.
I MEAN, I MEAN, WE'RE ASSUMING THAT'S TRADITIONAL ALUMINUM STOREFRONT, JUST, UH, UM, WELL, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHERE YOU GET KINDA FUN AND, AND DO SOME OLD SCHOOL CURTAIN WALL WITH A A COLUMN OR A COLUMN WITH A, A BRACE BEHIND IT.
LIKE SOME OF THE YEAH, I'M JUST SAYING I THINK IT'S A, I THINK IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOMETHING OTHER THAN A TRADITIONAL YEAH.
PON, STOREFRONT EXTRUDED ALUMINUM BLACK SYSTEM.
ESPECIALLY AT THAT CORNER, YOU KNOW, THE, THE SPANDREL PANEL AT THE BOTTOM, IS THAT JUST A FLAT PANEL OR COULD YOU HAVE SOME DEPTH TO THAT IT, YOU KNOW, THE LEVEL OF DETAIL EXACTLY.
IS WHAT WE'RE NOT SEEING HERE.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE STARTING TO REALLY GET INTO THE DETAILS OF AS WE, WE'VE JUST KICKED OFF OUR DESIGN DEVELOPMENT.
UM, AND SO FOR US, EVERYTHING YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, WE WOULD LOVE TO EXPLORE FURTHER, UM, ESPECIALLY MAYBE ARTICULATING THE BAYS A LITTLE BIT MORE WITH A DIFFERENT TONE OF BRICK.
UM, I THINK WHAT THE CLIENTS AND I ARE HOPING FOR IS THAT THE PRIMARY COLOR COULD REMAIN, UM, WHAT WE'VE SELECTED AND THEN WE CAN KEEP DEVELOPING THE DETAILS.
SO THERE'S THAT RICHNESS AND CHARACTER THAT YOU'RE HOPING TO SEE THERE.
YEAH, IT TO JEREMY TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I, I AGREE WITH MICHAEL.
UH, UH, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SQUARE, A LOT OF THE STORE FRONT WINDOWS ARE LARGE, YOU KNOW, FOR ARE FOR THE REASON THAT IT'S RETAIL MM-HMM
SO I, I DO THINK THAT THERE COULD BE A POTENTIAL THAT SOME OF THOSE STOREFRONTS COULD BE ARTICULATED DIFFERENTLY IF MAYBE ON THE, THE END BAY OF THE SOUTH, SOUTH STREET STOREFRONT WAS A LITTLE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THAT'S A DIFFERENT OFFICE USE.
I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE YOU COULD ARTICULATE THAT DIFFERENTLY, BUT THAT'S DETAIL.
AND WE REALLY LOVE, UH, PATRICIA'S BOUTIQUE, WHICH HAS KIND OF LIKE A RAISED PANEL IN THAT BULKHEAD.
SO WE DEFINITELY WANT TO JUST GO, GO HAM ON
IT'S EXCITING FOR US TO BE A PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.
AND JUST TERMINOLOGY WISE, THE TERM IN THE, IN THE STAFF REPORT, RED WAS USED, RED BRICK, BUT WHEN I LOOK AT THE SQUARE, THERE'S A FEW RED BRICK, BUT THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF TONAL TANS, REDDISH CLAYISH COLOR.
SO THERE, THERE'S NOT, I LOOK AT YOUR RENDERING THERE AND IT DOESN'T MATCH YOUR BRICK.
A LOT OF THE BRICK THAT'S ON THE SQUARE.
AND IF YOU HAD A BRICK OF MAYBE THE TONE THAT YOU'RE SHOWING THERE MIXED WITH YOUR PRIMARY BRICK YES, YES, EXACTLY.
AND I WANTED TO RESPOND ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT.
'CAUSE YOU KNOW, WE ARE ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE GIFTED ACADEMY AND FOR US, UM, NOT BEING TOO, UM, SIMILAR BECAUSE IT IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT BUILDING, DIFFERENT USE, IT'S A RESIDENTIAL CONDOMINIUM DEVELOPMENT, AND SO WE WANT IT TO SET ITSELF APART.
UM, AND THEY HAVE QUITE A BIG CONTRAST BETWEEN THE RED AND THE TIN, AND WE DON'T NECESSARILY WANNA GO TO THAT EXTREME.
UM, BUT ADDING DEPTH WITH MAYBE A LITTLE BIT, LIKE YOU'RE SAYING, A WARMER TAN TO HELP DEFINE THE DIFFERENT BAYS WOULD BE INTERESTING.
THAT'S A LOT OF WHAT I SEE WHEN I THINK ABOUT THE SQUARES TONAL DIFFERENCES.
UM, I'M GONNA AGREE WITH SOME OF WHAT I HEARD, AND I'M GONNA DISAGREE WITH SOME OF IT.
I, I AGREE WITH JEREMY ON THE WINDOWS.
THIS IS A PRETTY BUILDING AND ANYWHERE ELSE IN TOWN IT WOULD BE PERFECT,
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BUT IT'S AT THE INTEREST OF THE SQUARE.AND IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE YOU WOULD TRY TO DESIGN THAT TO PICK UP ON SOME OF THE, THE OLD FACADES AND PUT SOME OF THE, THOSE BIG WINDOW DESIGNS AND, AND MAKE 'EM LOOK LIKE SOME OF THE OLD WINDOWS IN SOME OF THE OLD BUILDINGS ON THE SQUARE.
AND I KNOW WE HAVE TO ACCEPT NEW STUFF, UH, NEW DESIGNS AND, UH, BUT, BUT THIS IS, UM, I DON'T LIKE THE BRICK COLOR AT ALL.
IT SEEMS THE ONLY THING I SEE THAT REALLY, THAT I REALLY LIKE, AND I DON'T DISLIKE EVERYTHING, BUT THE ONLY THING I REALLY SEE THAT LOOKS LIKE YOU WENT TO THE SQUARE IS ON TOP OF EACH CONDO OR WHATEVER THE, THE, THE, THE BRICK LINE IS, IS BROKEN UP.
AND I, AND I, AND I LIKE THAT, BUT IT, I DON'T KNOW.
IT'S A, IT'S A GREAT BIG BUILDING ON THAT CORNER AND HAVING IT, THAT LIGHT COLORED IN ALL ONE COLOR, IT'S, UM, AND THE WINDOWS LOOK LIKE GOLDSMITHS.
I THINK, I THINK IT'S HARD TO SEE FROM THE RENDERING, MAYBE THE DETAIL, BUT I MEAN, IF WE JUST, I, I DON'T WANNA SEE JUST ALUMINUM EXTRUSIONS WITH PANES OF GLASS.
I THINK THAT'S JUST A, IF YOU GO LOOK AT THE BROOKS OR YOU GO LOOK AT WADIS, THERE'S CHARACTER THERE.
AND SO YOU WANNA REPLICATE THAT CHARACTER FROM THE RETAIL PERSON WHO'S NOT STANDING BACK ACROSS THE STREET LOOKING AT THE BUILDING.
HE WANTS THE FEEL LIKE HE'S ON THE SQUARE.
AND THE ONLY WAY HE GETS THAT IS IF THOSE, IF YOU GET THAT FEEL AS IF YOU WERE WALKING DOWN PAST THE SILVER CABOOSE OR YOU'RE WALKING PAST ANY OF THOSE OTHER, UM, SO MAYBE THE DETAIL JUST DIDN'T SEEM, I JUST, I JUST DON'T WANNA SEE QUER OLD CASTLE ALUMINUM EXTRUSIONS IN JUST REGULAR OLD STOREFRONT SYSTEM ACROSS THE FIRST FLOOR.
YOU KNOW, YOU SAID THAT THE RED BRICK MIGHT NOT GO WELL WITH THE, WITH THE WROUGHT IRON, BUT IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, JOHN GREEN'S BUILDING IS RED BRICK AND IT'S A PRETTY GOOD SIZED BUILDING AND IT'S GOT, YOU KNOW, BLACK WROUGHT IRON ON IT.
SO, SO AS FAR AS THE USE ON THE GROUND FLOOR ON SOUTH STREET, IT'S PRIMARILY OFFICE USE, IS THAT RIGHT? WE HAVE OFFICE ALONG, YEAH, SOUTH STREET ALONG SOUTH, BUT THERE'S GONNA BE TWO OTHER RETAIL BAYS ALONG CENTER STREET.
AND THEN, YEAH, AND THEN ON CENTER IT'S RETAIL.
SO REGARDING THE WINDOW OF COMPOSITION, POTENTIALLY THE USE THE WINDOW PATTERNS COULD CHANGE.
OFFICE IS ONE THING, RETAIL'S ANOTHER, I MEAN, AND IT HELPS BREAK UP YOUR BUILDING, UH, AND REGARD, BILL, REGARDING YOUR COMMENT ON THE PARAPET WALL.
THE ONLY THING I, I MEAN, I LIKED WHAT YOU DID.
I THINK IT'S A HANDSOME BUILDING DETAIL WISE IN GENERAL, BUT IT'S THE SAME PARAPET EVERYWHERE.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SQUARE, AGAIN, THINK I'M THINKING ABOUT THE SCALE THIS READS AS ONE MASSIVE BUILDING AS OPPOSED TO POTENTIALLY LETTING SOUTH STREET READ A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY THAN CENTER.
AND YOU COULD VERY EASILY, AGAIN HERE, WE DON'T WANNA DESIGN UP HERE, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF SAMENESS.
WELL, I, I DEFINITELY APPRECIATE YOUR FEEDBACK.
I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION.
THE REASON WE WENT WITH THE SAME IS FOR THAT UNIFORMITY, SOME COHESION.
UH, AND FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, IT'S A VERY RESIDENTIAL FEELING WITH ALL THE DETAILS AND SHOWING KIND OF THIS COMMUNITY WHERE IT IS, YOU KNOW, THESE 12 HOMEOWNERS, UM, LIVING IN THIS BUILDING TOGETHER.
AND SO THAT'S GONNA PLAY INTO OUR INTERIOR DESIGN AND THE EXPERIENCE OF THE BUILDING FOR THE RESIDENTS.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, THE ARTICULATION IS WHERE WE WERE TRYING TO DEFINE AND BREAK DOWN THE, THE MASS AND THE SCALE SO THAT IT READS AND FEELS AS YOU'RE WALKING ALONG, UM, WHERE THE, THE SCALE AND MASS IS SIMILAR TO THE SQUARE, BUT IT IS DIFFERENT.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE ALSO DESIGNING FOR THE FUTURE OF THE TOWN.
AND SO THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY WHERE WE FEEL LIKE IT MIGHT NOT BE EXACTLY WHAT YOU GET AT THE SQUARE, BUT IT'S COMPLIMENTING THE SQUARE AND NOW YOU HAVE SOMETHING NEW TO EXPLORE AND SEE IN COLLIERVILLE AS WELL.
CARSON, I THINK YOU'VE MADE A GREAT RECOMMENDATION.
I LIKE THE, THE THOUGHT PROCESS THAT YOU'VE PUT FORWARD.
SO I AGREE, I I, I AGREE TO SEE SOME DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE BRICK WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA.
YOU KNOW, IF I WAS GOING TO DESIGN IT, AND I KNOW WE'RE NOT GOING DESIGN THE BUILDING FOR YOU, BUT EACH SPACE THAT IS HAS A, HAS THE BRICK AT
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THE TOP, CORNS AT THE TOP.I WOULD'VE MADE EITHER EACH ONE OR, OR EACH TWO LOOK LIKE AN INDIVIDUAL BUILDING.
AND JUST LIKE THE SQUARE IS ALL OF THEM ARE THEY, THEY'RE TOGETHER, BUT THEY'RE DIFFERENT.
SO I, AND THAT'S, THAT COULD DO THAT FOR THE ARCHITECTS IN THE ROOM.
THAT MIGHT NOT WORK AT ALL, BUT I WOULD'VE, IF I BUILT A ROW OF BUILDINGS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE SQUARE FACING THE RAILROAD, THEY WOULD BE, EACH BUILDING WOULD BE DIFFERENT.
EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE TOGETHER.
THEY WOULD BE, EACH BAY WOULD HAVE A DIFFERENT LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT ARCHITECTURE, A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT BRICK COLOR, KINDA LIKE WHAT THE, WHAT THE REST OF THE SQUARES GOT.
I KNOW THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU WANNA HEAR, BUT I APPRECIATE IT STILL.
WE HAD OTHER COMMENTS ABOUT THE RAILINGS AS WELL.
WHAT WERE WE THINKING THERE? I JUST THINK THE RAILING, THE PICTURE IS A LOT BUSIER THAN THE RAILING AND THE DRAWING AND THE RENDERING.
SO THE PICTURE IN THAT IS, I LIKE THAT SIMPLER RAILING.
THIS LOOKS VERY NEW ORLEANS TO ME.
SO, ADDITIONAL QUESTION WITH THE RAIL, THERE'S THE JULIET BALCONIES FOR THE, IT LOOKS LIKE DOORS IN THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS.
AND THEN THERE'S THE RADIUS CORNER THAT LOOKS LIKE WINDOWS.
ARE THOSE WINDOWS OR DOORS? UH, THEY'RE GONNA BE WINDOWS.
BUT WE WANT TO, WELL, MY HOPE IS THAT WE CAN DO KIND OF LIKE A FRENCH DOOR WINDOW SO THEY CAN OPEN UP A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY AT THE, IT'S A STUDIO UNIT AT THAT CORNER.
SO WE THINK IT'S KIND OF THE, THE SPECIAL GEM OF THE BUILDING.
AND SO IT'LL SET ITSELF APART A LITTLE BIT MORE, BUT THE SCALE OF THE WINDOWS, YOU KNOW, IMITATING THE DOORS ELSEWHERE.
BUT, UM, WE'RE SEEING IT MORE AS KIND OF WINDOWS THAT YOU CAN OPEN UP.
AND, AND THESE ARE CODE 42 INCH TALL RAILINGS? IS THAT WHAT THAT IS? YEAH.
IS IT JUST ONE STUDIO OR MORE THAN ONE? THERE'S TWO.
UH, WHEN I LOOK AT ALL THE RAILING THAT WRAPS AROUND THE RADIUS, THE RAILING IN FRONT OF THE BRICK, WHICH IS PROBABLY ONLY A FEW INCHES IN FRONT OF THE BRICK.
IT JUST SEEMS LIKE A BIRD NEST CATCHER.
UH, THE INDIVIDUAL JULIET BALCONIES MIGHT BE MORE SUCCESSFUL.
THE CONTINUATION WAS TO EMPHASIZE THE CURVE.
UM, BUT MAYBE WE CAN EXPLORE MORE FUNCTION TO IT IF YOU'RE THINKING A DOOR MIGHT SERVE IT A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
I LIKE IT AS A HINGE POINT FOR THAT.
WHICH I THINK GIVES YOU SOME OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOMETHING UNIQUE WITH IT.
AND HELP BREAK UP THE LONG, ESSENTIALLY CONTINUOUS FACADE.
UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THIS, THIS DRAWING HERE THAT'S ON THE SCREEN, NOT, NOT PICKING ON YOU, PLEASE.
BUT THE, THE CORRELATIONS BETWEEN EACH OF THE, UH, THE CURVED, UH, CORNICES THERE, ARE THOSE MEANT TO BE SPACED AS THEY ARE OR WOULD THEY NOT BE BETTER SERVED SPACED OVER, UH, THE PY ASTER? SO THE RHYTHM IS TIGHT AND TOGETHER THERE, YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? SORRY, I'M NOT FOLLOWING.
THE, THE THE PILE ER'S COLUMNS, THE YEAH.
SO, OR I MEAN, WERE THEY INTENTIONAL TO BE OFFSET LIKE THAT AS OPPOSED TO CENTERED OVER? IS THAT WHAT YOU TALKING ABOUT, MICHAEL? THOSE, SO WE'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT OUR FIRST SUBMITTAL ELEVATIONS WHEN WE RESUBMITTED.
UM, THE, THE SPACING IS CHANGING AS WE DEVELOP THE UNIT.
AND MAKING SURE THERE'S NO CONFLICTS.
SO THE, THE INTENT IS THE ROOF LINE WILL PERFECTLY ALIGN AND BE GOTCHA.
THE DIFFERENCE IS THE PILE LESTERS ON EITHER END OF EACH RUN ARE A LITTLE THICKER.
AND THEN ALL OF THOSE COLUMNS IN BETWEEN ARE A REPEATING RHYTHM A ALONG.
GOOD, GOOD CATCH ON THAT, MICHAEL.
AND, UH, ALONG WITH THAT, AND I KNOW I KNOW WHAT THIS PROBABLY IS, AND IT'S JUST HAS TO BE DEALT WITH INTERNALLY, BUT WHAT WE SEE IS WHAT WE SEE.
SO IN THE, IN ANOTHER ELEVATION, A LOT OF THE WINDOW HEADS DO NOT ALIGN WITH THE WINDOWS.
SO IS THAT JUST A CAD ISSUE OR IS THAT AN INTENT? UH, THAT'S A CAD ISSUE.
WHERE ARE YOU AT CARSON? YOU TALKING ABOUT THE, THE HEADERS ABOVE THE WINDOWS? YEAH, THE ARCH HEADERS.
AND SO, BUT, BUT, AND I KNOW I'M NOT PICKING ON YOU 'CAUSE EVERYBODY DEALS WITH THIS PROBLEM, BUT WE ONLY CAN SEE WHAT WE SEE, OF COURSE.
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IT ON RECORD.YOU DON'T WANNA SEE IT BUILT LATER THIS YEAR AND YOU'RE LIKE, WHAT? CRAZY.
BELIEVE OR NOT, WE'VE HAD BUILDERS BUILD EXACTLY WHAT THEY SEE, WHAT THEY SEE.
DON'T START, YOU DON'T GET IN TROUBLE IF YOU BUILD WHAT YOU SEE.
UM, YEAH, WE GOT A BUILDER HERE.
YEAH, JAMIE, I THINK OVERALL THE PROJECT IS POSITIVE, I FEEL FROM THE BOARD.
WE, AND, AND WE CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO DESIGN IT SITTING HERE.
HOW DO WE MAKE IT EASY ON THEM TO CHANGE THE FEW THINGS AND GET BACK IF THAT'S WHERE WE'RE HEADED? UM, SO I I, THEY'VE GOT A PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN APPROVAL PENDING.
UM, THEY'RE HOPING TO GO TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION SOON.
MAYOR AND BOARD, THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY, WE, WE SEE THESE PLANS AGAIN AT THE FINAL SITE PLAN STAGE BEFORE A BUILDING PERMIT IS ISSUED.
IT WAS SET UP WHERE YOU WOULDN'T NECESSARILY HAVE SEEN THAT, BUT WE, YOU COULD ADD A CONDITION OF APPROVAL TONIGHT THAT SAYS WE WANNA SEE THE FINAL SITE PLAN AND WE WANT, BEFORE AT THAT TIME WE WANNA SEE THE, OR MAYBE MAYBE YOU JUST WANNA SEE THE ARCHITECTURE, BUT IF, IF YOU WANNA SEE THE ARCHITECTURE, YOU COULD SEE IT AND WE WANT TO SEE THESE THINGS REVISITED.
A FULL RENDERING SO WE CAN SEE THE FACADES AND KNOW, AND IT WOULD BE GOOD IN THAT MOTION TO PUT SOME THINGS IN THERE THAT ARE, ARE CLEAR FOR THEM AND I'VE JOTTED SOME THINGS DOWN.
AND I CAN HELP WITH A MOTION UNLESS ONE OF Y'ALL WANTS TO TRY TO MAKE A MOTION.
WELL, I THINK WE'RE WORKING THROUGH IT, WHICH IS GREAT.
I, AND I I HATE TO PUT 'EM OFF JUST TO SAY, REDO IT AND COME BACK.
MR. CHAIRMAN, MAY I MAKE A SUGGESTION? WHY DON'T WE, WHY DON'T WE HAVE A WORK SESSION AND SIT DOWN WITH THEM? IT SEEMS UNFAIR TO ME IF THEY GET TO THE FINAL SITE PLAN AND THE HDC SAYS NO.
AND I WANT THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY YES OR NO.
SO WHEN YOU GET TO THE PASS THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND GO TO THE BOARD THAN THAT HYSTERICAL COMMISSION IS HOLDING US UP
I'D RATHER GET IT SETTLED BEFORE THEN AND I DON'T MIND COMING TO A WORK SESSION OR TWO TO TRY TO, JAMIE, HOW DO YOU WORK WITH 'EM TO TRY TO HELP MOVE IT ALONG? I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE FINE AS A CONDITION AND THAT THAT'S A HEALTHY WAY TO GET THROUGH IT.
I WOULD SUGGEST ARTICULATING A MOTION THOUGH, IF YOU ARE GONNA SEND THIS ON TO THE BMA PLANNING COMMISSION AND BMA, WHAT YOU WANT TO GET OUT OF THAT, THAT WORK SESSION AND THAT THAT REVISED FINAL SITE PLAN, WELL, WHOEVER MAKES IT WILL ASK YOU TO BE SPECIFIC ON THAT.
THE APPLICANT IS THAT, IS THAT SOMETHING REASONABLE WE CAN TALK ABOUT AND HAVE A WORK SESSION? YEAH.
I THINK OUR THOUGHT WAS IS, UH, WE WANT TO WORK THROUGH THIS WITH Y'ALL.
UM, I THINK WE WANT TO GIVE FIONA AND HER TEAM OF ARCHITECTS THE FIRST STAB ON WHAT THEY'VE HEARD AND THEN COME TO THAT WORK SESSION.
I WAS THINKING THAT IF THE MOTION JUST TWEAK NUMBER SEVEN, INSTEAD OF JUST SAYING MATCH THE BRICK ON THE LUMBER SHED AND THE RIGHT GIFTED ACADEMY.
AND PUT IN SOME OF THAT LANGUAGE, YOU KNOW, ARTICULATION IN THE FACADE AND THE, THE BRICK COLORS.
ADD SOME VARIANCE IN THE BRICK COLORS.
UM, USING THAT FANCY ARCHITECT LANGUAGE THAT I'M SURE MICHAEL OR CARSON CAN HELP WITH
AND THEN WE'VE GOT ALL THE WAY BETWEEN NOW AND WHENEVER WE GET THROUGH THE FINAL SITE PLAN TO HAVE A LOT OF ADDITIONAL EXHIBITS.
WE CAN DO IT IN THE WORK SESSION FORMAT LIKE BILL SAYS.
BUT I DO WANT FIONA, THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO, TO GO TO THE BRICK PLACES WITH THE MACKLEMORES AND DO ALL THAT BRICK SAMPLE STUFF AND COME UP WITH A LOT OF IDEAS AND BRING SOMETHING BACK TO THE TABLE FIRST.
AND, UH, IF, IF I MAY, YOU KNOW, WE WERE REALLY HOPING FOR AN APPROVAL TONIGHT AND SO IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF AGREE TO THOSE NEXT, THAT NEXT ITERATION.
'CAUSE I THINK I HEARD A COUPLE DIFFERENT OPINIONS AND SO WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE HEADED IN A DIRECTION THAT IS ACCEPTABLE TO THE GROUP.
UM, AND I CAN KIND OF WALK THROUGH WHAT I HEARD TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S ALIGNED WITH WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.
I THINK I HEARD BRICK COLOR, SIMPLER RAILINGS.
WE DIDN'T SETTLE ON THE DUMPSTER WINDOWS WINDOW DETAILS.
I PUT EMPHASIZE LESS MODERN WINDOWS REATION OF THE BASE.
LESS MODERN WINDOWS ON RETAIL DOWNSTAIRS THE FIRST FLOOR.
AND, AND IN CONSISTENCY OF WHAT WE'RE SEEING.
I MEAN, WE'RE THE HISTORIC COMMISSION IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE DEALING WITH, WE WANNA SEE EXACTLY WHAT WILL BE BUILT.
YOU KNOW, GUYS, I DON'T, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH PASSING ANYTHING TONIGHT.
WE PASS IT TONIGHT, THAT MEANS WE'RE JUST MASSAGING AND WORK, WORK SESSIONS AND ALL THAT STUFF.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE GET TO COME BACK AND DISCUSS IT AGAIN.
THIS IS A HUGE ADDITION TO THE SQUARES AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HELP THEM AND WE GET IT RIGHT.
AND I DON'T WANT TO, I'M NOT, I DON'T WANT TO GO AND
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LET'S, LET'S APPROVE IT TONIGHT.AND, BUT LET'S TALK ABOUT BRICK COLOR AND NONE OF THAT'S IS, IS WRAPPED UP.
NONE OF THAT'S DETAILED THAT WE'VE GIVEN THEM WHAT WE REALLY FEEL.
WE'VE JUST GIVEN THEM SUGGESTIONS.
ARE YOU GOOD WITH THE SITE PLAN AND, AND THE SITE PLAN? I'M FINE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY WOULD CHANGE THE RIGHT.
I THINK THAT'S, I I I THINK I DON'T IF THE, IF THE OUTSIDE OF IT, THE, THE WALL AROUND IT OR WHATEVER NEEDS TO BE CHANGED A LITTLE, THE STAFF CAN DO THAT, BUT I'M NOT, I'M NOT READY TO VOTE ON THIS.
THE DETAILS ARE NOT TIED DOWN.
COULD, COULD I ASK? IT'S JUST TOO IMPORTANT FOR ME TO DO THAT.
COULD I ASK YOU A TECHNICAL ISSUE REGARDING THE SITE PLAN AND THAT'S THE RETAINING WALL.
THIS IS A CHALLENGING SITE, BY THE WAY, WITH THE GRADE DROP.
UH, AND YOU DID A NICE JOB ALONG, UM, CENTER STREET AND, BUT IT SHOWS A RETAINING WALL, BUT NONE OF THE ELEVATIONS ILLUSTRATE THAT.
SO IT'S LIKE, IT'S NOT THERE, BUT IT'S GONNA BE VERY VISUAL.
I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT THIS RETAINING WALL IS.
WHAT'S THE MATERIAL RETAINING WALL? WHAT'S, WHAT, WHAT'S THE COLOR OR WHAT, HOW'S IT GONNA BE TREATED? UH, BECAUSE WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU'RE ON THE ADJACENT LOT, OR IF YOU'RE COMING ON ALONG CENTER STREET, YOU'RE GONNA SEE THIS RETAINING WALL.
IT'S PRETTY SO TELL US ABOUT THE RETAINING WALL.
WE CAN, WE CAN BRING, YOU CAN'T SEE ANYTHING SOME OF THAT BACK.
JAMIE, JAMIE GOES A LITTLE BIT SOUTH RIGHT THERE.
SO THAT RETAINING WALL IS GONNA BE BETWEEN THE BUSHES ON THE LEFT OF THE CURSOR AND THE TREES ON THE RIGHT HEADED STRAIGHT BACK BASICALLY BETWEEN THE TWO POWER POLES.
AND WITH THE, THE BUILDING, LIKE WE'RE DOING THE, THE FOUNDATION OF THE BUILDING BRICKED ALL THE WAY TO THE GROUND AND THE RETAINING WALL JUST STARTS BACK IN THE PARKING LOT.
BUT DOES IT, DOES IT COME OFF A LINE ON THE, ON THE BUILDING? IS THERE A COURSE THAT LINES WITH IT'S BASICALLY, UH, SO, SO THE, THE ELEVATIONS IN THE PLANETS DON'T SHOW WHAT YOU JUST SAID, RIGHT? TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
SO THE RETAINING WALL IS GONNA COME RIGHT HERE AND IT WILL BE ACTUALLY PROBLEM PULLED BACK A LITTLE BIT WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE ANGLE REPOS OF THE RETAINING WALL AND COMING BACK AND, YOU KNOW, WORKING RIGHT ON THE PROPERTY LINE.
SO IT WILL BASICALLY BE ON THE SAME PLANE AS THE BUILDING.
UM, WE CAN WORK THROUGH AND BRING BACK SAMPLES, UM, WITH WHETHER IT'S GONNA BE, UH, A CONCRETE WALL.
THEY HAVEN'T GONE THROUGH THE, UH, THE FINAL DESIGN ON WHETHER IT'S GONNA BE A CONCRETE WALL OR AN MSC WALL WITH BLOCK.
UM, I THINK WHAT WE WOULD, UH, REQUEST IS THAT, THAT WE DO GET APPROVED TONIGHT, BUT NOT, WE STILL HAVE TO COME BACK TO HDC FOR THE BRICKS AND THE RETAINING WALL AND THE DUMPSTER FROM THE TOWN PROCEDURAL PROCESS.
WE CAN'T CONTINUE FURTHER AND GO THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE BMA AND HEAR WHATEVER OTHER CONCERNS WE'RE GONNA HEAR.
BUT KNOWING THAT WE HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE HDC FOR THE BRICK APPROVAL AND THE, THE DUMPSTER AND THE RETAINING.
SO HOW DOES THAT WORK TECHNICALLY? IS THAT A PRELIMINARY APPROVAL OR A PARTIAL APPROVAL OR HOW IS THAT? IT SEEMS TO ME WHAT YOU'RE ASKING US FOR US TO DO IS SAY IT'S OKAY, BUT THAT IS MM-HMM
AND THEN YOU GO TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
BUT HDC HADN'T APPROVED IT YET.
SO WE'VE HAD SEVERAL, I DON'T KNOW HOW THE TECHNICAL LOGISTICS WORK ON THAT.
WE'VE HAD SEVERAL PROJECTS WHERE WE'VE HAD SOME THINGS THAT WE'VE HAD TO WORK OUT WITH STAFF OR BRING BACK TO THE HT C OR D.
TYPICALLY THE DRC FROM JAMIE CAN PROBABLY EXPLAIN IT BETTER FROM A, A LEGALITY STANDPOINT.
I, I DON'T WANNA HOLD YOU UP IF, IF, IF WE COULD DO SOMETHING WHERE THIS, THIS COMMISSION AND I'M SPEAKING FOR MYSELF, HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AND, AND WORK WITH Y'ALL AND APPROVE THE CHANGES THAT WE HAVE ASKED YOU TO DO BEFORE WE GET FINAL APPROVAL.
BUT IF IT CAN HELP DO SOMETHING TO GET YOU MOVING TO THE NEXT STEP.
BUT I'M NOT GOING TO GIVE UP THE VOTE TO, TO TILL WE DECIDE ON WHAT ALL THIS IS.
JAMIE, WHAT DO YOU THINK? UM, I'LL SAY WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT TONIGHT AND THEN TALK BRIEFLY ABOUT THE SITE PLAN PROCESS.
YOU'VE BEEN ASKED TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BMA ON THE PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN THIS WORK OR NOT.
AND YOU'VE ALSO BEEN ASKED TO GRANT A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS ON THE WHOLE THING.
THE SITE LAYOUT, THE ARCHITECTURE, I CAN'T DO THAT.
UM, SO YOU COULD SAY BMA AND, AND BACK ON THE SITE PLAN PROCESS, IT'S A TWO STEP PROCESS.
THERE'S A PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN REVIEW, WHICH WE'RE GOING THROUGH NOW.
THEY'RE GONNA GO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THEN THE MAYOR AND BOARD, AND THEN THERE'S A FINAL SITE PLAN PROCESS, WHICH IS VERY SIMILAR TO THIS, BUT COM A HUNDRED PERCENT DRAWINGS.
AND THOSE ARE ATTACHED TO A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
SO WHAT YOU COULD DO IS RECOMMEND IT ONTO THE BMA ADD A CONDITION TONIGHT THAT SAYS WE'RE NOT APPROVING THE FACADE.
WE WANNA SEE THE FACADE AND WE WANNA SEE THESE THREE THINGS TWEAKED.
AND BY THE WAY, WE WANNA HAVE A WORK SESSION BEFORE WE'RE WE ASK FOR A VOTE.
UM, AND IF THE BMA APPROVES THE PROJECT, THE PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN, AS THEY'RE WORKING ON THE FINAL SITE PLAN, THEY CAN COME AND VISIT WITH YOU FOR THAT WORK SESSION.
AND THEN THEY SUBMIT A FORMAL DRAWING FOR YOU TO VOTE ON.
SO THEN, THEN YOU GET YOUR VOTE WHERE
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YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH IT, AND THEN THEY GET TO GO FOR A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND CAN PULL THEIR BUILDING PERMITS.JOHN, WHAT DOES THAT SOUND LIKE? WHERE'D JOHN GO? DID YOU LEAVE? KNOCK OFF.
I GOTTA GO MEET MY DAD FOR HIS BIRTHDAY.
UH, NO, WHAT JAMIE SAID WORKS FINE WITH US.
WE'RE GETTING Y'ALL'S LEGAL APPROVAL ON THE PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN NOW, BUT ONE OF YOUR CONDITIONS OF THAT APPROVAL IS WE HAVE TO COME BACK TO YOU FOR THE, THE FINAL ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW AND WORK SESSION.
AND THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
AND Y'ALL GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY YES OR NO IN THE FUTURE ON THE BRICK COLORS AND THE METAL AND THE GATES AND OKAY.
SO, JO, SO WAIT, WE YEAH, RIGHT.
WELL, IF I COULD ASK THIS BEFORE, I LOVE THE WORK SESSION BEFORE WE HAVE THAT AND I, I, I SEE EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID, BUT WHAT I'M LOOKING AT IN THE PLANS DOES NOT MATCH YOUR WORDS.
END OF IT BEING THE NORTH END OF IT SHOWS A, THE ADDITIONAL HEIGHT TO ACCOMMODATE THE GRADE.
BUT WHEN I LOOK AT THE NORTH ELEVATION, IT'S FLAT JUST LIKE IT IS OVER ON THE OTHER END OF SOUTH STREET.
SO YOUR PLANS, A AGAIN, WE SHOULD SEE THE PLANS BROUGHT UP TO FULL ACCURACY OF WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING AND THEN LET'S HAVE A WORK SESSION.
SO WE'RE NOT HAVING TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THIS AND CORRECT MM-HMM
'CAUSE WE'RE NOT HERE TO DO THAT.
WE'RE HERE TO LOOK AT HOW WE CAN ASSURE THAT IT FITS WITHIN THE CHARACTER OF THE SQUARE.
I'M A LITTLE LOST ON WHAT YOU SAID THERE.
IF YOU LOOK AT THESE, I'M LOOK AT THE EAST ELEVATION, THAT STRONG, CORRECT.
RIGHT? LOOK AT, AT THE RIGHT SIDE OF IT AND LOOK AT THE HEIGHT OF YOUR, YOUR, YOUR FIRST FLOOR SPACE.
AND THEN IF YOU TURN AROUND AND LOOK AT THE NORTH ELEVATION IT'S DRAWN, YOU'LL SEE THAT ALL OF THAT GRADE DOES NOT REFLECT IN THE NORTH ELEVATION.
SO, SO THE NORTH ELEVATION, WHICH IS REALLY THE, THE SOUTH ELEVATION ALONG SOUTH STREET, NO.
NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE, MAYBE MAYBE YOU SHOULD NORTH SIDE, THE CORNER NORTH.
IF THE NEXT SHEET OF PAPER
I'M LOOKING AT IT IN FRONT OF IT RIGHT HERE.
SEE HOW THE FLOOR DOES NOT DROP? THEY DON'T MATCH.
I MEAN THEY'RE OFF BY FOUR FEET.
THEY WANT THAT LINE DOWN WHERE IT GOES.
AND SO YOU WERE SAYING THAT THE BUILDING MATERIALS GO ALL THE WAY TO THE, THE GROUND.
WELL, THIS JUST SHOWS THERE'S THIS MYSTERY THING GOING ON.
YOU KNOW, ARCHITECTS AND ENGINEERS JUST, WE DON'T GET ALONG THAT WAY.
IT'S GOOD FOR US TO GET, IS NOT AN ENGINEERING THING.
THIS IS, THIS IS A, UH, UM, THIS IS WHAT I DO.
THAT'S WHY FOLKS IN THE OFFICE THINK I'M A JERK.
SOMETIMES THEY LET YOU GO TO THE OFFICE.
SO THE PLANS NEED TO REFLECT THE REALITY OF WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING.
AND IF YOU DO THAT YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SHOW THE RETAINING WALL.
BUT SEE, THE RETAINING WALL'S NOT THERE.
THE BUILDING DOESN'T REFLECT WHAT YOU'RE ACTUALLY TELLING US.
AND SO IT'D BE NICE TO HAVE THAT HAPPEN.
SO IF WE'RE GONNA APPROVE A SITE PLAN, WHAT'S THE MOTION, JAMIE? WELL, I WOULD, OR, OR MR. CHAIRMAN.
WELL, I WAS JUST, I WAS JUST GONNA, I JUST WANT EVERYBODY TO UNDERSTAND YOU'RE, YOU'RE JUST WANTING TO PROGRESS YOUR PLAN SO YOU STAY ON SCHEDULE TO DO YOUR STORM DRAINAGE, UTILITY COORDINATION, AND ALL THAT.
RIGHT? SO THAT'S WHY YOU'RE WANTING THIS FINAL SITE PLAN TONIGHT.
OUR PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN, THIS PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN, DOES ALLOW US TO GET THE SAME FEEDBACK FROM Y'ALL FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE BMA, WHICH I'M EXPECTING SOME FEEDBACK FROM BOTH OF THOSE GROUPS AS WELL.
AND THEN WE CAN TAKE ALL THREE PIECES OF THE FEEDBACK AND SOLVE ALL THE PLAN, THE ISSUES THAT WE'VE HEARD FROM ALL THREE OF 'EM.
AND WHEN WE PRODUCE OUR FINAL SITE PLAN, WHICH IS ALL, I MEAN, WE HAVE TO DO THIS ON EVERY PROJECT THAT HAS TO FOLLOW BOTH STEPSS AND WE SUBMIT IT BACK TO STAFF.
AND NORMALLY IF THERE'S NOTHING THAT REQUIRES US TO GO BACK TO ANOTHER MEETING, IT'S JUST STAFF APPROVAL.
AND YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN IT, JEREMY, FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION ASPECT.
THERE'S A LOT OF TIMES THERE'S LIKE, IF THE STAFF'S GOOD WITH IT, WE'RE GOOD WITH IT.
STAFF'S NOT GOOD WITH IT, SEND THEM BACK HERE.
UM, THE ONLY THING I'VE HEARD DIFFERENT TONIGHT IS LIKE, WE JUST KNOW WE'RE COMING BACK HERE, WHICH WE'RE HAPPY WITH THAT.
THE THING I WANTED WAS FIONA TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK ON THE BRICK COLORS.
UM, BUT IT IS A, IT'LL BE NINE MONTHS BEFORE WE GET THROUGH THAT PROCESS, EVEN IF WE AREN'T DELAYED TONIGHT.
AND SO WHAT WE ARE ASKING IS TO, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH Y'ALL APPROVAL OF THE SITE PLAN WITH THOSE CONDITIONS, AS WE'VE ALL MENTIONED, WHICH WE'RE A HUNDRED PERCENT GOOD WITH WORKING OUT.
I KNOW I HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION THAT WE HAVE NOT ADDRESSED.
AND THAT IS, WHAT IS THE FLOOR TO FLOOR HEIGHT OF THE ROOFTOP COMPARED TO THE FLOOR TO FLOOR HEIGHT OF THE RESIDENTIAL? IT'S THE SAME FLOOR TO FLOOR HEIGHT.
I JUST, WHAT IS IT? PLAN KIND OF LOOKED A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
THERE IS A POPUP FOR THE ELEVATOR FOR THE OVERRUN.
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THAT MIGHT BE WHAT YOU'RE SEEING.AND THERE A WALL UP THERE FOR THE HVAC.
WE HAVE SOME SCREENING SCREEN THAT'S MATCHING THE DECORATIVE RAIL MAY BE WHAT YOU'RE SEEING.
AND THEN WE HAVE SOME PAR PROBABLY POPUP THE PARA IS TO HELP SCREEN SEE THIS RIGHT HERE? I GUESS THAT'S, YEAH.
AND THAT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOT WINDOWS IN IT ON THE ROOF.
SO THERE'S A ROOF AMENITY THAT WE'RE PROPOSING THAT'S SET BACK FROM THE STREET.
AND SO YOU'RE SEEING TO THE LEFT, THE POPUP FOR THE STAIR ACCESS FOR EGRESS.
AND THEN, UM, WHERE THERE'S THAT CURVE ABOVE, THERE'S ANOTHER SECONDARY POPUP THAT'S FOR THE OVERRUN.
SO SIMILAR TO LIKE JOHN GREEN'S BUILDING THAT HAS THE ROOFTOP.
YOU SEE WHERE THE STAIR, THE ELEVATOR COMES OUT.
THIS IS JUST, THERE'S MORE AMENITY BUILDING UP THAN JUST THE STAIRS AND THE ELEVATOR COMING UP, UP THE TOP.
BUT IT'S GONNA HAVE A ROOFTOP AREA FOR THE RESIDE.
AND THE FLOOR TO FLOOR OF THE ROOFTOP IS THE SAME AS THE RESIDENTIAL UNIT.
SO ARE THE FLOOR TO FLOOR ON THE SECOND AND THIRD FLOOR 10 FOOT TALL? OR ARE THEY 10 FOOT? THE FINISHED CEILING IS 10 FEET.
BUT ON THE ROOF IT SHOWS FROM THE FLOOR TO THE TOP OF THE ROOF IS 10 FEET.
SO HOW COULD THAT BE? IT'S GONNA BE A DIFFERENT MATERIAL.
BUT, BUT YOU'VE GOTTA HAVE INSULATION.
I MEAN, THERE'S, IF, IF THE FLOOR FLOOR HEIGHT IS THE SAME AND THE, THE SECOND AND THIRD FLOOR IS 10 FEET, HOW CAN THE FOURTH FLOOR BE 10 FEET IF ALL THE WAY TO THE VERY TOP OF YOUR ROOF IS 10 FEET? THAT'S MY QUESTION.
I THINK YOU NEED TO LOOK AT THAT ALSO.
SO THIS IS ACTUALLY A FOUR STORY BUILDING.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT.
I DON'T, I DON'T, I'M TRYING TO SEE THE, THE, THE, THE CEILING IN THE, THOSE UPPER UNITS WOULD'VE TO BE SHORTER OR YOU'D HAVE TO MAKE THAT TALLER THAN WHAT WE'RE SEEING RIGHT NOW.
AND BECAUSE THAT'S AN UNKNOWN, I CAN'T AT ALL FOR THAT BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
WELL, IT ALSO LEADS INTO THE QUESTION THAT IF WE'VE GOT WINDOWS UP HIGH ON THE ROOFTOP UNIT, I MEAN, DOES THAT NEED TO MATCH MORE OF WHAT THE FACADE IS AS OPPOSED TO GOING TO YEP.
THE BIG PICTURE WINDOW UP, THAT'S WHERE I WAS GOING.
YOU JUST DON'T WANNA LOOK UP AT THE BUILDING AND SEE ALL POP UP.
'CAUSE IF IT STARTS TO LOOK DIFFERENT THAN THE REST OF THE BUILDING, WHAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE IS A POPUP.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE THE REST OF THE BUILDING.
THIS CAN ALL BE DONE IN A WORK SESSION.
I ONLY ASKED THE QUESTION BECAUSE AS I LOOKED AT IT, I SAW IT AND IT, MY EYES WENT TO IT.
UM, WE HAVE A ROOM PLAN WE CAN BRING TO THE WORK SESSION TO KIND OF WALK THROUGH THE DESIGN WITH YOU ALL.
UM, SO YOU CAN HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING.
BUT IT'S SET BACK QUITE A BIT.
UM, I THINK THAT THE POPUP FOR THE STAIR, BECAUSE OF WHERE IT'S LOCATED, JUST HAS TO BE KIND OF ALONG THAT FRONT.
I THINK IF YOU COULD DO A PERSPECTIVE VIEW FROM THE OPPOSITE CORNER FROM HERE.
WE DO HAVE ONE HERE, HERE, PICTURE, RIGHT? YEAH.
THAT'S WHERE THE OTHER ONE'S COMING FROM.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE VIEW FROM THE OTHER DIRECTION.
YOU, IT'D BE NICE ON THAT, THE UPPER LEVEL, SINCE IT IS ACTUALLY VERY VISUAL THAT THE CORNICE COULD BE SOMETHING THAT COULD BE, UM, ARTICUL.
WHEN I FIRST SAW THIS, I THOUGHT THAT UPPER LEVEL WAS, UH, SCREENING MECHANICAL.
THAT'S WHAT I DIDN'T ACTUALLY SEE IT BEING A UNIT.
AND UM, AGAIN, THE WORK SESSION COULD BE VERY BENEFICIAL, FULLY UNDERSTANDING.
I THINK WE HAVE TO BE VERY SENSITIVE ON COMMENTS.
WE MAKE THAT ADD COST BECAUSE THAT, THAT'S AN ISSUE WE ALL FIGHT TODAY.
AND SO I KNOW I'M VERY SENSITIVE TO IT.
SO, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU'RE ABOUT TO SPEND MONEY, CAN YOU TAKE THOSE SAME DOLLARS AND MAKE IT PRODUCTIVE? I'LL TRY TO.
THAT'S HOW I TRY TO BE HELPFUL.
UM, YOU HAVE DETAILS ON ANY SORT OF MOTION YOU THINK
AND JUST SIMPLY SAY THE HTC IS NOT APPROVING, UM, THE ARCHITECTURAL ELEVATIONS AT THIS TIME.
THEY WILL, THE APPLICANT WILL SUBMIT THEM FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL AT THE FINAL SITE PLAN STAGE.
UM, AND JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT.
AND YOU, YOU'LL HAVE YOUR MINUTES.
SO THEY'RE IN AGREEMENT WITH THE SHUTTERS FOR THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL? YES.
OR IS THERE ANY, DO WE NEED TO HAVE ANY OTHER WORDING IN THE MOTION THAT, ABOUT THEM COMING BACK FOR FINAL
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APPROVAL? OR IS THAT, I THINK YOUR UNDERSTOOD WELL YOUR MINUTES WILL INCLUDE, UM, SOME, A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT.WE'VE DEFINITELY GOT THE RECORDING WE CAN COME BACK TO, BUT I THINK THE SIMPLER THE BETTER, UM, ON THAT.
'CAUSE YOU MIGHT ACCIDENTALLY HEM THEM IN INTO AN AREA.
SO I THINK THEY'VE BEEN LISTENING AND YOU'RE ESSENTIALLY, YOU'RE WITH WITHHOLDING YOUR ENTIRE APPROVAL UNTIL THE FINAL SITE PLAN STAGE.
AND WE'LL BE ISSUING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
WE'LL JUST BE ISSUING A PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN.
PROVIDE, UM, I THINK YOU DO, ARE ASKED TO ISSUE A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE WHOLE PACKAGE SITE, SITE LAYOUT AND EVERYTHING.
SO YOU'RE ISSUING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR EVERYTHING ELSE, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE ARCHITECTURE.
AND THEN YOU'LL, YOU'LL, I GUESS YOU'LL ISSUE A SEPARATE ONE FOR THAT AT THE FINAL SITE FLIGHT STATION.
WELL, WHAT WE WANT TO DISCUSS LATER, RIGHT? CORRECT.
DOES THAT SEEM EVERYONE, UH, THE, I'M TRYING TO FIND, WHERE'S THE DUMPSTER IN THE, UH, CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL NUMBER THREE? WELL, I'D TAKE OUT ONE, TWO AND THREE PLUS SEVEN.
ANYTHING THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE, THE BUILDING FACADE, ANY OF THE ARCHITECTURAL MATERIALS ELEMENTS, I, I WOULD SUBMIT ONE.
WE WOULD ASK AN ANYONE TO SUBMIT DETAILS.
UM, THAT GOES, BUT IF YOU WANT, IF YOU WANT TO REMOVE IT, THAT'S, THAT'S FINE.
I MEAN, TO ME IT'S JUST, IF WE'RE GONNA APPROVE JUST THE SITE PLAN MM-HMM
THEN ANYTHING SIMPLE, NOT SITE PLAN SHOULD COME OUT.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO STRIKE 1, 2, 3, AND SEVEN.
UH, AND, AND APPROVE, MOVE APPROVAL OF, UH, OF SITE PLAN, PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN, AND THE OTHER CONDITIONS WITH THE CONDITION THAT YOU'RE NOT APPROVING THE ARCHITECTURE.
IT'S THE CONDITION THAT WE'RE NOT APPROVING THE ARCHITECTURE.
AND THE, THE DUMPSTER OR THE RETAINING WALL AND THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE DISCUSSED TONIGHT.
AND I DON'T KNOW HOW TO, I THINK THAT'S UNDERSTOOD.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT SURE.
COULDN'T THE CONDITION SAY THAT PENDING A WORK SESSION.
WE'LL, WE'LL WORK WITH YOU ON THAT.
ON THIS LIKE THIRD MEETING AND HE'S LIKE, WHAT ARE Y'ALL DOING? Y'ALL ME? OKAY.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
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ON REALLY QUICKLY HERE.NO, I WOULDN'T HAVE DONE ALL THOSE THINGS.
THAT'S, DO WE HAVE A STAFF PRESENTATION FOR CASE TWO? 5 3 4, 6 5.
SO I'M, WELL, BOTH OF THE CASES ARE AT THE SAME ADDRESS, SO I'M GONNA RUN BOTH PRESENTATIONS.
THE NEXT TWO CASES ARE BOTH THE SAME ADDRESS.
NOW THE SCRIPT SAYS GOOD AFTERNOON, BUT THE APPLICANT CURTIS SIGLER WITH SPIRIT ARCHITECTURE ON BEHALF OF PROPERTY OWNER JANET GREEN IS REQUESTING FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR EXTERIOR ALTERATIONS AND AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE LOCATED AT 360 9 WEST POPULAR AVENUE.
THE PROPERTY IS ZONED R ONE LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AND IS SURROUNDED BY OTHER, OTHER R ONE PROPERTIES.
THE EXISTING HISTORIC DWELLING WAS BUILT IN 1934 AND HAS A COLONIAL REVIVAL STYLE DESIGN AND IS NOT A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE, BUT IT IS ELIGIBLE FOR THE NATIONAL REGISTERED DISTRICT.
THE HDC HAS APPROVED SEVERAL EXTERIOR ALTERATIONS ON THIS PROPERTY.
IN THE PAST, THE MOST RECENT CHANGES WERE IN 2012 WERE A NEW GARAGE WITH AN EXTENDED DRIVEWAY, AN ENCLOSED BREEZEWAY.
AND IN 2019, A SCREENED PORCH ON THE SIDE WITH AN ADDITION.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING INTERIOR RENOVATIONS TO THE BASEMENT TO CREATE AN IN-HOME ELDERLY FLAT, ALONG WITH THE FOLLOWING EXTERIOR ALTERATIONS ON THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE.
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TO THE, WILL BE CREATING AN EMERGENCY EGRESS ROUTE BY EXCAVATING THE FRONT YARD AREA AND CONSTRUCTING A RETAINER WALL ALONG THE FRONT OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE.THEY WILL ALSO BE RELOCATING AND MODIFYING THE EXISTING BOLLARDS TO SIT A ATOP OF THIS NEW RETAINING WALL.
THE SECOND EXTERIOR ALTERATION WOULD BE TO THE EXISTING BASEMENT WINDOWS.
THEY WILL BE REMOVED AND REPLACED WITH FOUR NEW EMERGENCY DOUBLE HUNG EGRESS WINDOWS.
SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS IN EXHIBIT TWO, WITH AN EMER, A NEW EMERGENCY EGRESS DOOR THAT WILL BE INSTALLED FROM THE GARAGE.
THE THIRD EXTERIOR CHANGE WOULD BE TO THE EXISTING COVER PORCH LOCATED TO THE WEST OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE.
IT WILL BE ENCLOSED AND IN FIELD WITH, UM, THE WOODEN DESIGN HIGHLIGHTED ON THE SCREEN ABOVE THE FOURTH EXTERIOR CHANGE WILL BE TO THE STONE WALL.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO EXTEND THE WALL TO, TO THE WESTERN PROPERTY LINE WITH AN ORNAMENTAL FENCING ADDED ON TOP.
THE APPLICANT ORIGINAL DESIGN WAS FOR A SIX FOOT FENCE.
BUT STAFF HAS INFORMED THE APPLICANT THAT ANY FENCE CONSTRUCTED FROM THE FRONT YARD MUST COMPLY WITH THE ZONING ORDINANCE, WHICH STATES THAT ANY FENCE IN THE FRONT YARD CANNOT EXCEED FOUR FEET IN HEIGHT.
IF THE HDC FINDS THAT A TALLER FENCE OR WALL IN THE FRONT OF THE YARD IS APPROPRIATE, THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS MUST APPROVE A VARIANCE FOR THE BEFORE FENCE PERMIT CAN BE ISSUED.
ALTHOUGH A VARIANCE IS UNLIKELY TO BE APPROVED UNLESS A PHYSICAL HARDSHIP IS FOUND, THE APPLICANT IS ALSO PROPOSING CHANGES TO THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY.
IT WILL BE MODIFIED TO THE, TO CREATE A, A ROUNDABOUT AND ADDING ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING.
THE APPLICANT ALSO SUBMITTED THE EXHIBIT, THE ADDED EXHIBIT SIX, TO SHOW YOU GUYS CO CONCEPTIONAL, UM, I GUESS LANDSCAPING.
THE LAST EXTERIOR CHANGE WILL BE TO THE EXISTING, UM, ENTRANCE PILLARS.
THEY WILL BE MODIFIED TO EXTEND THE STONE WORK AND ADDING ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING STAFF DEBATED ON THE DEFINITION OF THE EXISTING PILLARS TO DETERMINE IF THERE WERE ANY ZONING RESTRICTIONS FOR THESE MODIFICATIONS.
OFFENSE ACCORDING TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE IS AN UNROOFED ENCLOSED BARRIER OF ANY NATURE OR CONSTRUCTION, INCLUDING VEGETATION.
SINCE THE ENTRANCE PILLARS WILL NOT BE ENCLOSED.
THE CLOSEST INTERPRETATION OF THESE PILLARS IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE WOULD BE FOUND IN THE DEFINITION OF A YARD WHERE IT CAN BE CLASSIFIED AS AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE OR USE.
THAT INCLUDES LANDSCAPING ELEMENTS, POSTS, AND CUSTOMARY YARD ACCESSORIES.
THE HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES STATE THE FOLLOWING ABOUT EXTERIOR CHANGES.
THE ORIGINAL SIZE AND SHAPE OF DOORS SHOULD BE MAINTAINED AND NEW OPENINGS SHOULD NOT BE INTRODUCED ON THE FACADE VISIBLE FROM THE STREET CHANGES, CHANGING THE NUMBER, LOCATION, OR SIZE OF THE WINDOWS ON THE PRIMARY ELEVATION BY CUTTING NEW OPENINGS, BLOCKING WINDOWS OR INSTALLING REPLACEMENTS NOT FITTING IN THE WINDOW.
ENCLOSING PORCHES IN A MATTER RADICALLY CHANGING ITS HISTORIC APPEARANCE SHALL BE AVOIDED AS WELL.
AND LASTLY, THE DESIGN OF THE NEW FENCE MUST BLEND WITH THE MATERIALS DESIGNED IN DESIGNS FOUND WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE GUIDELINES AND THE ZONING ORDINANCE SAY THAT A FENCE IN THE FRONT YARD AGAIN CANNOT EXCEED FOUR FEEDING HEIGHT.
SEVERAL OF THE EXTERIOR CHANGES WILL BE VISIBLE FROM WEST POPULAR AVENUE.
FOUR OF THE EMERGENCY EGRESS WINDOWS CHANGES TO THE EXISTING STONEWALL WITH ORNAMENTAL METAL FENCING, THE ENCLOSED ENCLOSING OF THE WESTERN PORCH ELEVATION.
AND LASTLY, THE ENTRANCE PILLARS IN THE DRIVEWAY WILL BE VISIBLE FROM POPULAR.
THE APPLICANT DOES PROPOSE SCREENING WITH THESE CHANGES.
THE APPLICANT DOES PROPOSE THESE CHANGES BE SCREENED WITH LANDSCAPING.
AND I, I HAVE THE LANDSCAPING PLAN HERE.
ALTHOUGH THE PROPOSED SCREENING SEEMS TO SHIELD THE ALTERATIONS PER THE HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES, ANY NEW CONSTRUCTIONS VIS VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY MUST BE COMPATIBLE IN SCALE MATERIAL AND ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER WITH THE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AROUND
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IT.THE PROPOSED DESIGNS REFLECT THESE REQUIREMENTS BY USING MATERIALS AND FINISHES COMPATIBLE WITH THE HISTORIC HOME.
MOVING ON TO THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, THE HDC PREVIOUSLY APPROVED AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE FOR THIS PROJECT IN AUGUST OF 2025.
BUT SINCE NO CONSTRUCTION HAS TAKEN PLACE IN THE APPLICANT, IN THE APPLICANT HAS REVISED THEIR DESIGN A NEW DESIGN IN SIMILAR IN ALL A NEW DESIGN IN SIMILAR ASPECTS OF THE PREVIOUS DESIGN, INCLUDING THE BOARD AND, AND, AND BATTEN SIGNING WITH THE COLORS TO MATCH.
UM, THE DESIGN HAS REDUCED TO ABOUT 720 FEET.
UM, AND THEY EXTENDED THE SETBACK ABOUT TWO MORE FEET.
AND THEY ALSO CHANGED THE ORIENTATION.
WHILE THE EXISTING DWELLING DOES NOT HAVE BOARD AND BATTING SIDING, IT IS GOOD TO REMEMBER THAT ITS USE ON A BOARD ON A BARN STYLE STRUCTURE IS APPROPRIATE AND DISTINCTIVE ENOUGH TO DENOTE THE HISTORIC DWELLING E EVOLUTION OF THE PROPERTY OVER TIME.
AND, UM, AGAIN, THIS IS THE ORIENTATION.
THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IS GOING FROM FACING NORTH TO FACING THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES TO THE EAST TO REDUCE STREET VISIBILITY AND PRESERVE STREET SCAPE.
THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE WILL BE LOCATED BEHIND THE HOUSE, BUT PARTIALLY VISIBLE FROM WEST POPULAR AVENUE.
AGAIN, THE HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES STATE THAT ANY CONSTRUCTION VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY MUST BE COMPATIBLE IN SCALE MATERIAL AND ARCHITECTURE CHARACTER WITH THIS CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AROUND IT.
THE PROPOSED DESIGN DOES REFLECT THESE REQUIREMENTS BY USING THE MATERIALS AND FINISHES.
COMPATIBLE WITH THE HISTORIC
AND THE PROPOSED HISTORIC, THE PROPOSED DESIGN REFLECTS THESE REQUIREMENTS THROUGH THE MATERIALS AND FINISHES COMPATIBLE WITH THE HISTORIC HOME IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES AND THE ZONING ORDINANCE STAFF ALSO RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE ONCE THE CONDITIONS ARE OF APPROVAL ARE MET.
AND AS IT COMPLIES WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES AND THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
THE EXAMPLE MOTIONS ARE ON YOUR SCREEN FOR THE EXTERIOR ALTERATIONS IN THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
I ALSO HAVE THE APPLICANT'S, UM, APPROVAL AND NEXT STEPS AND SLIDES.
THE APPLICANT ALSO REQUESTED TO HAVE AN OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT TWO OF THE EXAMPLE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL REGARDING THE EXTERIOR ALTERATIONS.
THESE ARE THE, UM, THE ONES HIGHLIGHTING YELLOW ARE THE ONES THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT.
DO YOU HAVE, UH, ANY QUESTIONS? IS THERE AN ELEVATION OF THE THAT WOULD BE THE, THE EAST WHERE THE GARAGE DOOR IS.
OH, THIS WILL BE THE CLOSEST ONE WE CAN GET.
THIS WOULD BE THE, THE, THE CLOSEST ONE WE CAN GET.
'CAUSE CURRENTLY THE, THERE IS NO DOOR THERE AND NO, NO, THE, THE OTHER SIDE.
THERE WAS A PICTURE, WASN'T THERE? YEAH, YOU SHOWED IT A PICTURE.
WHERE'S DOING THAT? THERE'S A STREET, UH, 3D IMAGE BEHIND ME.
I THINK IF YOU NEED TO LOOK AT THAT.
WELL, NO, THE, WELL, I, NO, BUT IT'S WHERE ACTUALLY DOWN HERE, SORRY, WHERE THE EXISTING GR THE, THE OLD EXISTING GARAGE.
SO THAT YOU TALKING ABOUT THE AREA THAT'S BEING INFIELD.
UM, I DON'T THINK I HAVE AN IMAGE OF THAT.
I MAYBE IT'S A LITTLE BIT ON THE SCREEN.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR? UH, YES.
SO IS THAT WHERE ALL THAT PAVEMENT IS? IS THAT GOING TO THE GRASS OR IS THAT, OR IS THAT STAIN AS PAVEMENT? YOU CAN SEE IT'S, UH, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S CONCRETE ON THE, WHAT'S ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE, THE WEST SIDE OF THE ROUNDABOUT.
IS THAT ON THE TABLE? I GUESS RIGHT HERE.
THE GARAGE THAT'S BELOW THE HOUSE.
THIS WOULD BE RIGHT HERE WOULD BE THE GARAGE AREA THAT'S BELOW THE HOUSE.
SO THAT WHOLE AREA TO THE ROUNDABOUT IS THAT NO, NO.
SO IS THAT ALL GRASS WHERE THE EXISTING DRIVE TO THAT GARAGE IS? WELL, RIGHT HERE WOULD
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BE, UM, RIGHT IN HERE WOULD ALL BE, YEAH, THAT'S THE PATHWAY.AND THEN THIS RIGHT HERE WOULD BE BE THE GRASS THAT NO BELOW THAT.
BETWEEN THAT AND YOUR, WHERE THE WORDS ARE.
SO THAT'S GONNA STAY AS CONCRETE.
SORRY, DID YOU SAY YOUR, WELL, WE'LL WAIT FOR SCOTT.
I THINK I, I THINK I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A DRIVE DOWN.
THAT'S GONNA BE YOUR ACCESS POINT.
IS THAT WHAT I'M SEEING? MM-HMM
THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE USED AS AN EMERGENCY IN, BUT THE APPLICANT CAN ALSO SPEAK TO, TO WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE GONNA BE USING IT AS THE PRIMARY ENTRANCE.
DID I READ THE, UH, DOWN AT THE DRIVEWAY AT THE ROAD AT POPLAR? THAT IS GONNA BE CONSIDERED TO GET IT DONE.
UH, AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE? UH, THE, THE THE POP THE YES, YES.
MAYBE NOT A AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, BUT LIKE A, LIKE A LANDSCAPE ELEMENT.
BUT IF THEY WANTED TO DO A STANDALONE SOMEWHERE ELSE ON THE LOT OR THEY ALREADY HAVE ONE, ARE WE CONSIDERING THIS ALREADY? ONE BECAUSE YOU KNOW, YOU ONLY HAVE TWO.
UH, THEY WILL NOT BE CONSIDERED A STRUCTURE SINCE THEY DON'T HAVE A ROOF.
ANYTHING ELSE WE'LL GET, UH, APPLICANT.
SOMEONE HAVE, YEAH, THERE YOU GO.
UM, IT'S INTERESTING TO BE ON THIS END.
UM, THANK YOU ALL FOR LETTING US BE HERE TONIGHT.
THIS HOUSE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT DID.
THIS HOUSE IS A UNIQUE MM-HMM
HOUSE AND IT'S HAD UNIQUE OWNERS FOR THE LAST MM-HMM
I'D LIKE TO, IF IT'D BE OKAY WITH THE COMMISSION, I'D LIKE TO START WITH THE SIMPLER OF THE TWO, WHICH IS THE ROTATION OF THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
UM, WHEN THEY STARTED LOOKING AT HAVING THE DRIVE TO THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE GARAGE, IT WAS LOCATED ON A ANGLED PITCH FOR THEIR EXISTING DRIVE.
AND SHE WANTED SOME MORE GARDEN AREA IN THE BACK.
SO WHEN WE ROTATED IT, THERE WAS NOT ENOUGH WITH THAT 90 DEGREE ROTATION.
THERE WASN'T ENOUGH ROOM BETWEEN THE DRIVE AND THE 20 FOOT SETBACK FOR THE BUILDING TO FIT AS ORIGINALLY SUBMITTED.
UM, I KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN DISCUSSION ABOUT REAR YARD AND SETBACKS AND SOME THINGS CHANGING IN THE FUTURE, BUT THIS ALLOWS HER TO DO WHAT SHE WANTS TO DO WITHIN THE CURRENT SETBACKS.
SO THE GREENHOUSE SECTION OF IT WAS JUST REMOVED.
OTHERWISE THE BUILDING DID NOT CHANGE.
SO THE DOORS WILL OPEN UP INTO A LAYOUT AREA THAT'S OUT IN FRONT OF THAT BUILDING.
AND THAT'LL BE A, A GRAVEL AND STONE AREA.
THE, UM, CAN WE GO BACK TO THE PICTURE OF THE GARAGE NOW? THE ONE THAT WAS ADDED SEVERAL YEARS AGO? MM-HMM
I JUST WANT TO GET, WHAT, WHAT'S THE MATERIAL ON THAT STONE? OKAY.
AND THE NEW ONE IS BOARD AND BATTEN? YES.
WE WERE, YOU KNOW, IN THE PROCESS OF IT, WE WERE TOLD, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE METAL SIDING.
BUT SHE DIDN'T WANT TO DO THAT.
SHE WANTED TO DO SOMETHING NICER AND OKAY.
AND THEN THE ARTICULATION WITH SOME OF THE OPENINGS WILL COME, YOU'LL SEE PICTURES OF SOME THINGS THAT SHE CONTINUES TO WANT TO USE.
ANTIQUE ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS AND SHE'S COLLECTING THEM.
SO ALTHOUGH THERE'S A ROUND WINDOW, IT, YOU KNOW, SHE'S GOT ONE, BUT WE'VE GOTTA MAKE SURE IT CAN WORK AND FIT.
BUT IT'S GONNA BE OF THE SAME FLAVOR.
SO IS THE NEW ACCESSORY STRUCTURE GOING TO BE A GARAGE? YES.
SO THIS GARAGE IS GOING AWAY? NO, NO, NO.
IT'S A, IT'S A GARAGE WITH A LITTLE WORKSHOP AREA.
SHE NEEDS SMALLER THAN WHAT WAS APPROVED BEFORE.
BECAUSE THE GREENHOUSE IS NOT ON.
CAN YOU GET THIS CUT? LIMESTONE? IS THIS IS CUT LIMESTONE? IS IT NOT? WHAT IS THE, THE, THE VENEER? NO, IT'S, IT'S A CHISEL BLOCK NOW.
WELL IF YOU LOOK ON THE, I THINK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE GARAGE.
WELL, I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT THE WHOLE, THE WHOLE HOUSE.
'CAUSE THE GARAGE WAS DONE ABOUT 10 YEARS.
SO I WAS JUST GONNA, I WAS JUST GONNA ASK SCOTT, DID SHE EVER THOUGHT ABOUT A WAIN'S COAT OF THE STONE AND THEN DOING THE BOARD AND BATTEN ON TOP JUST TO TIE TO THE ORIGINAL ARCHITECTURE? IT
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SHE HADN'T BECAUSE IT WAS ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS OF COST.YOU KNOW, THAT'S PRETTY BIG COST FOR AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE WHEN IT COULD BE A METAL SIDING SINCE THE BUILDING IS ROTATED 90 DEGREES AND NOW THE SIDE ELEVATION IS GONNA FACE POPLAR, DO YOU THINK? NO.
WELL, THE, WELL THE, ACTUALLY I THINK YOU'RE GONNA HAVE MORE VISION OF THE FRONT OF THE, OF THE, THE GARAGE ELEVATION THAN ANYTHING.
BECAUSE AS YOU APPROACH, YOU'RE GONNA SEE MORE OF IT WHEN YOU'RE COMING FROM THE WEST.
FROM THE EAST, HEADING WEST, YEAH.
THEN YOU ARE, AND THEN YOU ALSO HAVE TO REALIZE THAT THE GRADE CHANGE IS SUBSTANTIAL.
SO YOU'RE REALLY LOOKING UP A HILL AT IT.
IT'LL BE VERY DIFFICULT TO SEE.
I WAS JUST WONDERING IF THE, THE, THE WINDOW THAT'S SHOWN, WHICH LOOKS LIKE A SMALL SHORT WINDOW, IF IT COULD BE TALLER OR MAYBE THERE COULD BE ADDITIONAL WINDOWS, MAYBE A RHYTHM OF WINDOWS ON THAT FACADE.
AND THAT, UH, BACK TO MY EARLIER COMMENT ABOUT SHE'S LOOKING FOR WINDOWS.
SO THERE'S, YOU KNOW, AND THERE'S A BUNCH OF THOSE THAT WERE PUT ON THE BACK OF THE EDITION THAT WAS DONE BACK APPROVED IN 2012.
SO WE ARE WORKING THROUGH THAT.
AND, UM, AGAIN, THERE'S VERY LITTLE REQUIRED OF AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
SO I FIGURE WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO, AND USING THOSE ANTIQUE ARCHITECTURAL PIECES IS, IS A GOOD THING TO DO FOR THE, UH, FACILITY.
YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW WE WANT TO TALK THROUGH? YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANNA NO, I MEAN, LIKE I SAID, IT'S REALLY, IT'S VERY MUCH WHAT WAS APPROVED EARLIER.
IT'S JUST HAD TO BE ROTATED AND WE HAD TO ADJUST SO IT WOULD FIT WITHIN THE SETBACKS.
AND I GOT A QUESTION ABOUT THE FENCE.
ARE WE GOING TO MOVE ON TO THAT? OR YOU WANT JUST QUESTION? NO.
I WAS JUST GONNA ASK, PROBABLY GET THIS ONE, TAKE IT DONE AND THAT WAY THEN WHEN WE GET BACK TO THE FENCE.
SO THE, THE BOARD AND BAT AND JAMIE ON THE PREVIOUS WAS APPROVED THE EXACT WHAT WE'RE SEEING? YES.
THEY JUST SHRUNK IT, CORRECT? YEP.
BECAUSE I, I, NOTHING, MY PERSONAL IS, I DON'T, I DON'T REALLY LIKE IT, THE BOARD AND BATTEN, BUT IT GOT APPROVED FOR MM-HMM
SO YOU WANNA GET THAT ONE OUTTA THE WAY? YEAH.
ANY MORE QUESTIONS? I'M MOVING ALONG.
I, I UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHY SHE'S DOING IT, BUT I, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE A, IF SHE COULD PUT THAT WAYNE'S COAT ON THERE TO TIE IT LOOK SHARP, I THINK IT'D TIE IT TO THE EXISTING BUILDING AND IT LOOKED REALLY GOOD.
BUT I, I'M NOT TRYING TO DRIVE COSTS AND I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU'RE SAYING THAT, BUT I DO THINK IT WOULD LOOK EXCEPTIONAL.
ESPECIALLY IF YOU CAN SEE A LITTLE BIT OF IT FROM THE STREET AND FOR THE HARDINESS OF WHEN SHE STARTS DOING MAINTENANCE AROUND IT.
THERE'S A, A, A STONE AT THE BOTTOM RATHER THAN A, THOSE HAVE BEEN REVIEWED WITH THE OWNER.
DO WE HAVE A MOTION? WAIT A MINUTE.
DO WE HAVE TO VOTE ON THIS SECTION? WELL, I'M GONNA, I THINK WE SHOULD VOTE ON, WE HAVE TWO AGENDA ITEMS, RIGHT? I THINK WE SHOULD VOTE ON THE GARAGE.
GET IT OUTTA THE WAY, ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
AND THEN MISTAKE SWING BACK TO THE, UH, THAT DOOR HERE.
AND I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, APPROVE THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS.
AND I DID DO ITEMS SO WE KNOW, OH, UH, THIS WOULD BE THE PROPOSED MOTION TO APPROVE THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE.
ACCESSORY STRUCTURE CASE 25 2 1 3 2.
SECOND STATE, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
COULD WE HAVE A ROLL CALL? COMMISSIONER COX? AYE.
WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE OTHER ONE.
NOW THE, THE BASEMENT, THE BASEMENT IS BEING MODIFIED.
THE EXISTING GARAGE IS NO LONGER USED AS A GARAGE OR THE, THE ONE THAT WAS CONNECTED TO THE HOUSE AND THE BASEMENT.
UM, THE HOUSE HAS AN ELEVATOR IN IT THAT WAS DONE BACK IN THE, AT THE 2012.
AND SHE'S MODIFYING THE BASEMENT FOR A MOTHER-IN-LAW SUITE.
OR ACTUALLY THIS IS MOTHER'S SUITE.
UM, SO THE FRONT PART IN THE GARAGE WILL BECOME AN ENTRY AREA.
AND THEN THE, THE TRANSITION BET WILL BE A BEDROOM AND THEN, AND A FAMILY ROOM AREA.
SO SHE WANTS TO PUT THE EGRESS WINDOWS IN, UM, FROM THE STREET.
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IS ALL SAID AND DONE, THERE'LL BE A LOT OF WORK THAT GETS DONE.BUT WHEN YOU DRIVE BY IT, AFTER SHE'S DONE, YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE ANYTHING BUT THE 16 INCHES OF THE WINDOW.
AND YOU WON'T SEE THAT BECAUSE OF THE VEGETATION.
NOW THE, SO, AND THE, I KNOW THE REQUIREMENTS SAY YOU DON'T CHANGE THE SIZE OF THE WINDOWS, YOU DON'T ADD THE DOORS.
THE ONLY THING THAT'LL VISIBLY EVEN POSSIBLY BE DIFFERENT THAT YOU'LL SEE WOULD BE PART OF THAT DOOR.
'CAUSE EVERY OTHER OPENING, ALL WE'RE DOING IS CUTTING THE SIDES DOWN.
WE'RE LEAVING THE HEADER WHERE IT IS.
AND, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE ASKED FOR ON THOSE WINDOWS IS THAT WE CAN USE AN ALTERNATE MATERIAL BESIDES WOOD.
IF WE'RE USING WOOD, I'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO CLAD IT BECAUSE THIS IS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
AND THOSE WINDOWS WILL NEVER SEE DAYLIGHT.
AND SO THEREFORE WE NEED TO FIND A BETTER MATERIAL.
IF WE WERE ABLE TO USE, YOU KNOW, OLD WOOD OAK, IT WOULD BE DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE IT'S HARD ENOUGH THAT IT CAN BE THERE FOREVER, BUT YOU JUST CAN'T FIND THAT.
SO, UM, THAT'S THE ONE ITEM ABOUT, UH, THAT, AND MOST OF THE PLANTS THAT ARE COMING BACK INTO THIS ARE PLANTS THAT ARE BEING RELOCATED FROM THE PROPERTY ONTO THE PROPERTY.
SO, UM, AS FAR AS THE FRONT ENTRY, SHE STILL HAS A NUMBER OF THE STONES THAT WERE USED ON THE ORIGINAL WHEN WE DID THE GARAGE TO BUILD THOSE WALLS OUT.
SO THOSE WILL BE USED AT THE DRIVE.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ACCESSORY.
THOSE ARE, SHE HAS SOME OF THE STONES THAT CAME OUT OF A, A, UH, BURNED OUT MANSION AND HAD 'EM SHIPPED IN FROM THE EAST COAST.
THAT THAT WAS DONE BY BEVERLY ELLIOT DECADE AGO.
SO, SO THE OLD GARAGE DOOR, IS IT THE EXISTING GARAGE DOOR? YEAH, THE EXISTING GARAGE DOOR.
IS IT GOING, THE EXISTING GARAGE DOOR IS GOING TO BE USED AT THE ACCESSORY BUILDING.
SO WHAT HAPPENS WITH THAT FACADE? SO WHAT HAPPENS TO FILL THAT IN THAT FACADE IS GOING TO BE WINDOWS.
SHE WANTS AS MUCH NATURAL BITE AS SHE CAN GET IN THAT AREA.
AND THEN WILL SHE BE PARKING THERE? AND THAT'S WHY IT'S STAYING AS, AS GRAVEL TO DRIVE TO THAT SPOT.
IF YOU LOOK ON THE, IF WE GO BACK TO THE, UH, LANDSCAPE PLAN, YOU CAN SEE, OH, THAT'S, THAT'S GOOD.
BUT IN THIS, IN, UH, THIS AREA MM-HMM
SHE'S PLANNING ON PUTTING IN A, UM, LITTLE PATIO AREA FOR AS YOU APPROACH THAT.
'CAUSE SHE DOESN'T WANT PEOPLE DRIVING UP, OBVIOUSLY UP TO HER IN, INTO THE MOTHER'S LIVING AREA.
AND SHE'S PLANNING ON PUTTING A RAIN CISTERN IN THERE SO SHE CAN COLLECT RAIN WATER FROM ALL THE HARD SURFACE SHE HAS AROUND THERE AND USE IT FOR HER GARDEN.
AND SO THE ACCESS, I'M NOT SURE HOW WELL THAT'S GONNA WORK, BUT SHE'S, SHE'S SOLD ON IT.
SO
THERE'S A RETAINING WALL THERE.
THIS IS ALL RETAINING WALL NOW IT'S RETAINING WALL NOW, BUT WE'RE, IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE REPLACED BECAUSE IT'S DETERIORATING.
IT DIDN'T HAVE, UH, RELIEF FROM THE WATER PRESSURE BEHIND IT, YOU KNOW, IT JUST, AND SOMEBODY SAID WE COULD EPOXY THESE JOINTS AND YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT EPOXY IN THAT.
IT'S, YOU'RE, YOU'RE GOING TO FIX IT AND YOU NEED TO DO IT.
SO THAT'S, RIGHT NOW THE PLAN IS FOR IT TO BE A STACK OR A KEYSTONE RETAINING WALL, BUT YOU NEVER SEE IT VISIBLE FROM THE ROAD BECAUSE IT'S, YOU'D ONLY SEE IT IF YOU'RE DOWN AT THE DRIVEWAY LEVEL AT THE WINDOW.
AND BECAUSE YOU HAVE ALL THESE PLANNINGS THAT ARE GONNA BE IN FRONT OF IT.
DID I SEE, DID I READ THAT THE, THE BASEMENT WINDOWS ON THE FRONT ARE EXISTING NOW? OR THEY'RE ALL GONNA BE NEW NOW? ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT DOWN HERE? SHOW ME THE YEAH, YEAH.
THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE EXISTING WINDOWS THAT ARE 16 INCH HIGH THAT YOU CAN'T SEE FROM THE STREET.
YOU CAN'T DON'T, WELL YOU CAN, THERE THEY NO, BUT YOU CAN'T, NO.
THERE'S THE BALLER SITS IN FRONT OF IT.
YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE WHERE OF THAT HERE.
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HAVE ALL THAT, THAT BALLESTER IN FRONT OF IT AND THAT THAT IS GONNA BE RELOCATED CLOSER TO THE HOUSE.AND IN ORDER TO MAKE IT LEGAL THAT WE'RE GONNA ADD MORE, WE'RE GONNA DENSIFY THE AMOUNT OF SUPPORTS IN THERE TO MAKE SURE YOU CAN'T GET A FOUR FOOT.
WELL YOU CERTAINLY CAN'T SEE 'EM NOW UNLESS YOU REALLY LOOK, 'CAUSE I'VE LOOKED AT THAT HOUSE 10,000 TIMES AND IT'S, NO, I NEVER KNEW IT HAD A BAKE.
AND THEN THERE'LL BE, AND THERE'LL BE LANDSCAPING IN FRONT OF THAT.
SO YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE, IF YOU LOOK AT, ON THIS DIAGRAM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE LEFT HAND SIDE, YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE LOW BUSHES ARE OR THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GONNA BE THREE TO FOUR FOOT HIGH, BUT YOU CAN SEE WHAT YOU'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO SEE MM-HMM
AND IT, IT REALLY, SHE'S GONNA PUT ALL THIS WORK IN AND I THINK THE ONLY THING YOU'RE GONNA REALLY EVER SEE FROM THE STREET, WHICH IS GONNA BE, IT'S ALSO BLOCKED BY THE TWO LARGE OAKS.
AND THE PLANTING IN FRONT OF IT IS THAT ARCHED WINDOW THAT SITS UP OVER THE PA THE PORCH ENCLOSURE.
JUST BOUND AND TURN TO MESS THAT THING UP.
SO YOU, THERE'S, THERE'S STAIRS COMING UP OUT OF THAT, I DON'T KNOW, WHAT DO YOU WANNA CALL IT? HOLE ON THE FRONT? YEAH.
AND THAT, AND THAT IS A EGRESS STAIR, WHICH IS HAS, YOU KNOW, 18 INCH HIGH STEPS THAT ARE ONE FOOT DEEP.
SO IT ALLOWS YOU TO CRAWL OUT OF THE BASEMENT.
HOW DO YOU GET THE WATER? HOW DOES THE WATER, THE WATER, THERE'S GOING TO BE THE DRAINAGE INLET.
THEY'RE GOING, WE'RE GONNA DO A TRECH DRAIN ALONG THE RETAINING WALL.
AND THE, THE IT'LL PITCH FROM THE HOUSE TOWARDS THE RETAINING WALL, WHICH IS, IT WAS BEHIND THE RETAINING WALL WHERE THE, WHERE THE WINDOWS BELOW, BELOW GROUND LEVEL, THAT'S GOTTA HAVE A DRAIN.
NOW IF THEY, IF IT'S EXISTING, I MEAN IT DRAINS THE PATIO DRAIN.
NO, RIGHT NOW, RIGHT NOW IT'S, THERE'S A, IT'S CONCRETE TO THE BOTTOM OF THE WINDOW.
AND THAT CONCRETE SLOPES AWAY FROM THE HOUSE.
AND THEN WHERE DOES IT GO? YOU'RE GONNA RUN IT TOWARDS THE DRIVEWAY.
YOU GOT THAT FULL FALL ALL THE WAY DOWN THE FRONT.
SO THAT CONCRETE RETAINING WALL DOESN'T GO ALL THE WAY TO THE GROUND ON THE FRONT.
THERE IS NO CONCRETE RETAINING WALL.
YOU ABOUT, THERE'S NOTHING, THERE'S NO WALL ON THE FRONT.
NOW IT'S JUST LANDSCAPING'S PART OF THERE WILL BE, BUT THERE WILL BE IN THE FUTURE.
THAT IS A WALL RIGHT THERE, GUYS.
IS IT NOT? NO, IT'S A BALLAST STREET.
ISN'T THAT A WALL RIGHT THERE? NO, IT'S RIGHT.
AND WE'RE GONNA EXCAVATE IT OUT AND MAKE A WALL.
AND IF YOU SEE THE GAPS IN BETWEEN, THOSE ARE TOO BIG.
WE'RE GONNA ACTUALLY, AND THESE ARE THE WINDOWS.
SHE'S GOT A BUNCH OF THESE THAT NOW WE'RE GONNA PUT ONE IN AND EVERY ONE WE'RE GONNA KEEP IT DOWN TO FOUR INCHES.
BUT THEY'RE OBVIOUSLY NOT AS TALL AS THE NEW ONES ARE GOING.
I THOUGHT THIS WAS ALREADY DOWN GR UH, BASEMENT LEVEL, BUT IT'S NOT.
NO, I GET, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
I, I DIDN'T, THE WINDOWS ON THE GARAGE DOOR, WHAT ARE THE, WHAT'S THAT LOOK LIKE TO ME? WHAT? EXPLAIN THAT TO ME.
THEY'RE NOT, AND THE OTHER THING, THEY'RE NOT NEW WINDOWS, RIGHT? THEY'RE WINDOWS SHE'S FOUND, AND IT'S A GROUP OF ABOUT SIX THAT SHE WANTS TO BRING IN.
SO THEY'RE JUST GONNA BE, BUT WE JUST BUTTED UP BE WITH THEY'RE TRUE DIVIDED LIGHT RIGHT.
HOW TALL IS THE FENCE ON TOP OF THE WALL OUT TO THE E WEST OF THE HOUSE? WHAT'S MAX WHAT'S THE HEIGHT ON THAT? THE STONE FE THAT STONE? YEAH.
THE, THE STONE WALL PLUS THE FENCE.
THE, WELL THE STONE WALL RIGHT NOW IS FOUR FOOT EIGHT.
AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA PUT, SHE WANTED TO PUT WROUGHT IRON ON TOP EIGHT, A SMALL SECTION OF ROD OUT.
SHE'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO GET SIX FEET BECAUSE SHE HAS TWO DOGS AND SHE'D LIKE TO KEEP THEM IN THERE.
THE, AS IT TURNS AND GOES THEN TO THE NORTH, THAT THAT AREA IS COVERED BY THE TWO LARGE OAKS.
AND THEN SHE'S PLANNING ON PUTTING A SIX TO SEVEN TREES IN FRONT OF THAT, THAT ARE, UH, DECI, NON DECIDUOUS SO THAT SHE CAN CREATE A SOUND BARRIER FOR THE BACK.
FOR THE SIDE GARDEN THAT SHE HAS, IS THE EXISTING WALL 48 INCHES OR FOUR FEET? 40, WHATEVER YOU SAY THE EXISTING WALL'S FOUR FEET, EIGHT INCHES.
AND SHE'S GOING TO EXTEND IT AT THE SAME HEIGHT? YES.
AND THE, AND THE MASONRY PART OF IT, SHE'S LOOKING, THE, THE PORTION THAT GOES TO THE NORTH WILL BE WROUGHT IRON AND THEN IT'LL TRANSITION ON THAT ARC.
UH, THAT IT'LL TRANSITION HERE.
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MM-HMMAND STEP UP AND I, YOU CAN SEE THAT A LITTLE BIT MM-HMM
SO THAT, AGAIN, SHE'S TRYING TO GET SOME RELIEF FROM THE NOISE FROM POPLAR BACK INTO THAT SIDE YARD THAT, THAT SIDE YARD, UH, GARDEN.
'CAUSE WHEN THEY PUT THE SCREENED IN PORCH IN YEARS AGO, THAT BLOCKED EVERYTHING BACK.
AND SO THE MAIN ENTRANCE COMING OUT OF THERE, OUT TO THAT AREA, WHICH SHE USES, IS THAT BACK THAT SHE CONSIDERS THAT HER BACKYARD, IT GIVES THE CONTINUOUS AESTHETIC OF THE HOUSE TOO, BY CONTINUING THE STUFF.
WELL, AND THE OTHER THING IT DOES, AND THAT'S THE PIECE OF I HANDED OUT FOR THE, WITH THE PINTEREST PICTURES ON IT, THAT WHAT SHE WANTS IS SHE WANTS TO GET MORE PEOPLE GOING TO HER FRONT DOOR.
SO SHE WANTS TO PUT SOMETHING THAT WILL VISUALLY GUIDE THEM THERE.
AND THEN THAT WAY IT'S, IT'S MORE EMPHASIS ON THAT FRONT ENTRANCE.
JAMIE, WHAT IS THE, UH, WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE PRESENTATION, THE SIX FOOT FENCE.
IF WE ONLY, IF WE ALLOWED A SIX FOOT FENCE, IT WOULD HAVE TO GO TO BZA AND, AND IT WOULDN'T GET APPROVED.
I, I HAVE DOUBTS THAT THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO MEET THE HARDSHIP REQUIREMENTS.
THERE'S, WELL BE ABLE TO HAVE A SIX FOOT TALL FENCE.
AND, AND THE ONLY THING WE HAVE THAT I WANT TALK TO BZA AND TO Y'ALL ABOUT IS THE FACT THAT, JUST LIKE IT SAID IN THE STAFFORD FRONT YARD IS SO THAT YOU DON'T BLOCK ANYTHING FROM THE ROADWAY TO THE FRONT FACADE.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH A SIX FOOT FENCE.
I'M JUST TRYING TO GET, AND, AND THAT'S JUST ME.
I, I DON'T, WITH THE SIZE OF THIS HOUSE, THAT THAT DOESN'T, THAT DOESN'T BOTHER ME.
I JUST WONDERED IF WE PASSED IT OR YOU WANT TO GO TO VZA AND TRY TO GET IT STOLEN.
AND IF YOU DO, THEN THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S OTHER THINGS SHE COULD DO THAT WOULD BE, WOULDN'T BE THE SAME.
BUT, YOU KNOW, SHE COULD PUT A HEDGE ROW IN THERE.
THERE'S NO RESTRICTION ON BLOCKING THAT AND YOU KNOW, SO THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE, BUT SHE'D REALLY LIKE TO GO ALONG THIS CHARLESTON, YOU KNOW, KIND OF BROAD IRON LITTLE, YOU KNOW, HIDDEN LITTLE GEM KIND OF PRESENTATION.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET HER.
I KNOW WE'RE ALL OVER THE MAP, THE NEW WINDOW, UH, MATERIAL.
YOU DON'T LIKE THE WOOD 'CAUSE THE SUBSURFACE AND ALL THAT.
WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT WHAT MATERIAL YOU LIKE, YOU WANT.
WELL, I CAN SEE US USING A, A, A COMPOSITE MATERIAL OR USING A, UM, ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD WINDOW.
SO EVERYTHING THAT'S ON THE OUTSIDE AND THEN THE MUTTON AND USING A SIMULATED DIVIDED LIGHT.
SO WE'D HAVE THE APPLIED MUTTONS ON THE EXTERIOR OF THE GLASS, KINDA LIKE WE DID AT THE COURTS BUILDING FOR COLLIERVILLE.
AND, AND WITH EITHER ONE OF THOSE, NO ONE WOULD KNOW THE DIFFERENCE FROM THE EIGHT FEET AWAY, WHETHER IT WAS WOOD OR NOT.
AND YOU'RE, AND AND NOBODY'S GONNA SEE 'EM.
BUT THE OTHER THING ABOUT THAT IS A, SINCE NOBODY SEES THEM, I REALLY WANNA MAKE SURE WE'VE GOT SOMETHING THAT'S STRUCTURALLY SECURITY BECAUSE THAT, THAT COULD BE SOME, THAT COULD BE A ISSUE.
JAMIE, SHOULD WE SPECIFY THE MATERIAL OR DOES IT JUST, WE SHOULD JUST SAY OTHER THAN WE DON'T HAVE TO MAKE HIM DO WOOD.
WOULD THERE BE ANY OVERSIGHT AFTER THE FACT? WE JUST SAY A ROT RESISTANT MATERIAL? THAT WOULD BE GOOD.
YOU COULD STRIKE THE CONDITION AND SAY THAT IT'S REALLY NOT VISIBLE.
YOU WANT IT TO, LAST WOOD'S NOT GONNA BE GREAT.
IN THAT ONE SPOT ALONG WITH SIMULATED DIVIDED LIGHT.
I HAVE SOME PICTURES OF THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE LIKE THAT MAYBE MM-HMM
THE EXISTING, THE WINDOWS IN THE GARAGE AGAIN.
ARE WE GONNA, NOW THOSE ARE GONNA BE ACTUALLY SIX OHS, A TRUE DIVIDED LIGHT.
ARE THEY WHAT? UM, YOU KNOW WHAT I CAN, I'LL SEE WHICH WINDOW SHE HAS YEAH.
AND, AND ASK STAFF TO CIRCULATE IT.
WOULD THAT BE ACCEPTABLE? YEAH.
'CAUSE I THINK, IS THAT, WHAT IS THAT? WE'LL PUT IT IN AN ELEVATION SIX OVER SIX.
I THINK, I THINK SEND IT TO STAFF.
I DON'T WANT IT TO BE TWO, LIKE ONE OVER ONE, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? MM-HMM
I'M NOT SURE THERE'S SIX OVER SIX, BUT THEY'LL BE, THEY'RE FAIRLY SMALL PANS.
IS THERE A LIMESTONE HEADER OVER THAT GARAGE DOOR RIGHT NOW? SCOTT, THERE IS A CONCRETE HEADER OVER THAT AND WE'RE NOT TOUCHING IT.
YEAH, IT'S HOLDING UP, IT'S HOLDING UP THAT STONE UP ABOVE IT.
SHE SAID, CAN'T WE MAKE THE HEAD 'CAUSE IT'S A SEVEN FOOT HEIGHT.
SHE SAYS, CAN'T WE MAKE THAT HIGHER?
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I SAID, YOU CAN DO ANYTHING YOU WANT, BUT I DON'T THINK YOU WANNA START THAT, YOU KNOW, DOWN THAT ROAD.BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO TAKE ALL THAT VENEER OFF SURE.
ARE YOU GONNA HAVE LANDSCAPING IN THE FRONT OF THE FENCE? YES.
WHAT DOES SHE GOT GOING IN FRONT OF THEIR, SHE'S GOT BOXWOOD GOING BACK IN FRONT OF THAT ON THE WEST SIDE.
NO, ON THE, ON THE, UM, ON WHERE THE WALL IS AND EXTENS.
NO, THAT ONE'S JUST GONNA BE, UM, LOWER L LANDSCAPING NOT, NOT VERY HIGH.
BUT YOU WON'T EVEN, AGAIN, WITH THE DOUBLING OF THE BALUSTRADE IN THERE, YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE THROUGH THAT ANYWAY.
WELL, I THINK THE, THE EXISTING CON THE EXISTING WALL, IF YOU, IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO ALLOW SHE, SHE CAN PUT THE, THE IRON ON TOP OF IT.
WHY IS IT SO BIG? I DON'T KNOW.
THE ONLY WAY TO GET TO GET MAKE THAT LOOK RIGHT IS TAKE THE WALL.
SHE'S GOTTA TAKE THE EXISTING WALL DOWN.
THE EXTENSION'S GOING BE FOUR FEET.
NO, THAT, OKAY, I WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS.
WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT WAS THE RAIL AND BALUSTRADE THAT'S IN FRONT OF THE NEW WINDOWS.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING? NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE FENCE.
I'M TALKING ABOUT THE EXTENSION OF THE WALL.
THE, THE ON THE, ON THE WEST SIDE.
THERE'S THAT FOUR FOOT EIGHT, FOUR FOOT, EIGHT INCH WALL.
AND THERE SHE'S GONNA EXTEND THAT OUT WITH IT.
IT'LL PROBABLY HAVE A BASE ON IT, BUT WITH RIGHT WROUGHT IRON, FOUR FEET, EIGHT.
WELL, SHE'D LIKE TO BE SIX FOOT.
NO, NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE CONCRETE WALL IS GONNA BE FOUR EIGHT TO MATCH WHAT'S THERE NOW? NO, THERE'S NO CONCRETE WALL GONNA MATCH WHAT'S THERE NOW WHAT IS THAT RIGHT THERE? I'M SORRY, WHAT? WHAT IS THAT? WHAT IS THAT? WELL, THAT'S A CON CONCRETE WALL.
IS THAT NOT WHERE THE FENCE IS? GO RIGHT THERE.
I GUESS I'M JUST CONFUSED FOR NO, I'M, I'M SORRY.
THE FENCE WILL START RIGHT HERE.
SO WHAT IS THAT RIGHT THERE TO THE LEFT THAT MARK WANTS, ISN'T THAT A CONCRETE WALL? HUH? ISN'T THAT A CONCRETE WALL? THAT'S A STONE WALL.
FOUR FOOT EIGHT TO THE TOP AND SHE'D LIKE TO GET IT UP TO SIX FOOT.
SO THE REST OF IT, SHE'S GOING TO EXTEND IT OUT, RIGHT? FOUR FOOT EIGHT AND THEN PUT IRON ON TOP OF IT UP TO SIX FEET.
NO, SHE WAS GONNA EXTEND, SHE WAS GONNA KEEP THE ITY OF IT TOWARDS THE WEST.
SO AS PEOPLE CAME UP, THEY COULD SEE VIEW INTO THAT AREA WHERE SHE WANTS THE WATER FEATURE AND OTHER THINGS.
MAYBE I CAN, ALRIGHT, SO THE FENCE, THE FENCE PICTURE OF THE ORNAMENTAL WALL THAT'S GOT THE FRAUD IRON ON TOP OF IT IS NOT WHAT THE FENCE IS GONNA LOOK LIKE NOW.
THAT'S WHAT IT'LL LOOK LIKE HERE AT THE, AT THE ARCH AREA THAT FACES DUE NORTH.
THIS IS THE WALL YOU'RE LOOKING AT? YEP.
AND THEN SHE'S GONNA PUT THE STONE WAINS COAT HERE WITH THE WROUGHT IRON ON TOP.
SO THE STONE WALL WOULD NOT BE EXTENDED.
IT'LL BE ALL WROUGHT IRON THAT'S, THAT COMES BACK TO THE NORTH.
AND THERE'LL BE A GATE IN THERE AND A WROUGHT IRON GATE IN THERE.
WHEN I SAW THIS, I THOUGHT THAT THE FENCE WAS GONNA BE EXTENDED FROM THE HOUSE TO THE WEST ON TOP OF THIS WALL.
I GOT, SO NOW, AND THEN IT'LL START DOWN LOW HERE AND STEP UP TO THE CENTER AND THAT THAT UPS THAT STEP UP WILL ALSO BE A BACKDROP FOR THE WATER FEATURE THAT'S ON THE, ON THE SIDE.
SO THAT'S EVERY TIME THERE'S A NEW OWNER OF THIS HOUSE
THIS, THEY, THEY ALL HAVE, EVERY TIME IT ATTRACTS A VERY UNIQUE CLIENT.
IT'S THE ONE'S GONNA KNOW THE ORIGINAL, THIS HOUSE, THIS MIGHT BE THE MOST UNIQUE HOUSE.
WELL, I MEAN WE, WHEN WE PUT THE ADDITION ON FOR MISS ELLIOT, WE TORE THE OLD EDITION OFF.
WHERE WHEN WE FOUND OUT THERE WAS A POOL IN THE BACKYARD THAT ONE TIME.
UH, CAN WE SEE THE AMENDED? UM, YEAH.
I HAVE NO MORE QUESTION CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.
AND SO WHAT WHAT WE'RE ASKING IS THAT THE, WE KNOW THAT THE HDC CAN'T CHANGE
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THE ORDINANCE, BUT THEY CAN AT LEAST ALLOW US TO HAVE THE RECOMMENDATION TO ALLOW IT FOR, FOR THAT SMALL AREA BEHIND THOSE BIG OAK TREES.I, I, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT.
ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR SCOTT? MM-HMM.
IS THERE A MOTION OR DISCUSSION? I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE CASE NUMBER 2 5 3 4 6 5 WITH OUR AMENDMENTS.
SO WITH NUMBER TWO IN THE WRITING ON THERE, ROD RESISTANT WITH SIMULATED YES.
DEFENSE AND ENTRY FEATURES IN FRONT YARD CAN'T EXCEED FOUR FEET.
JAMIE, WHAT IF THE, IF THE HE GOES TO THE ZONE APPEALS AND THEY TURN HIM DOWN, HE COULD JUST GO WITH A FOUR FOOT FENCE? OR DOES HE NEED TO COME BACK TO STAFF TO GET APPROVAL FOR THAT? HE COULD JUST GO WITH A FOUR FOOT.
CAN WE GET ANYTHING ON THE SECOND BULLET POINT ON FOUR THAT ALLOWS THAT, THAT THE, I KINDA HTC DOES NOT HAVE.
I WANNA SEE WHAT BZA SAYS ME PERSONALLY.
I MEAN, 'CAUSE I'M JUST ASKING.
YEAH, THEY SAY IF YOU DON'T ASK, YOU DON'T GET IT.
SO IF WE PASS IT LIKE THIS AND THEY SAY NO, YOU JUST HAVE TO PUT UP A FOUR FOOT FENCE OR CHANGE OR DO SOMETHING ELSE OR DO SOMETHING ELSE.
IT'S NOT, IT'S BECAUSE YOU'RE ONLY MAKING, THAT WOULD ONLY BE A RECOMMENDATION.
UH, I WOULDN'T SEE THAT AS YOU'RE NOT MAKING AN APPROVAL OF IT.
RIGHT? YOU'RE JUST SAYING MM-HMM
WE DON'T HAVE OBJECTION TO IT.
SUBSTANTIATION FOR THE APPROVED.
SHOULD, SHOULD, SHOULD WE MODIFY IT AND SAY CAN'T EXCEED SIX FEET? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR? MM-HMM
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT BECAUSE IT'S HIGHER.
THAT IS THAT HOW WE DO IT? YOU COULD MM-HMM
AND IT'LL BE WHATEVER COMES OUTTA THE BZA AND THE, IF THEY'RE MORE STRINGENT, IT'LL HAVE TO BE FOUR FEET.
IS THAT IN ANY WAY? I MEAN, SO ARE WE TELLING 'EM WE DON'T MIND AND THEN IS THAT GONNA SWAY THEM ONE WAY OR THE OTHER? I'M NOT SURE THAT IT, I MEAN, WE'LL DEFINITELY COMMUNICATE YOUR OPINIONS TO THEM AND THEY CAN, THAT CAN HELP THEM UNDERSTAND IF IT'S GONNA BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE AREA OR NOT.
SINCE THAT'S YOUR, THE SCALE OF THE HOUSE.
I, YOU KNOW, IT JUST DOESN'T, THE IT IS ACTUALLY THE LOT, THE TYPE LOT.
I MEAN, I, I I'VE THOUGHT MANY TIMES HOW COOL THIS HOUSE WAS, BUT I WISH, AND YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT TO THE SOUTH, I WISH I COULD BUILD SOME FRONT COURTYARD AND WALLET AND THAT'S WHERE SHE, I KNEW THAT WAS IMPOSSIBLE.
UM, WELL, AND, AND SHE ASKED ME, SHE SAID, WELL WAIT A MINUTE, WHAT ABOUT THE BRICK WALL THAT'S ACROSS THE STREET FROM ME? AND I SAID, THAT'S NOT IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
IT, IT'S, IT HAS NO DETRIMENTAL EFFECT TO ANYONE ELSE.
SO I THINK WE NEED TO AMEND YOUR MOTION.
UM, AMENDING MY MOTION TO ALLOWING UP TO SIX FEET FEET, ALLOWING UP TO SIX FEET ON THE FIFTH ON THE OFFENSE.
'CAUSE YOU DON'T WANT AS SHOWN.
YOU DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO BE ABLE TO USE THAT AND SAY, WELL I COULD PUT A SIX FOOT FENCE ANYWHERE.
DID THAT MAKE ANY SENSE? DOES THAT MAKE SENSE TO ANYONE OVER THERE? IT MATTER.
WELL, IT'S WITHIN THE MINUTES OF DISCUSSION.
PURELY THEY CAN FIGURE THAT OUT.
SO YOU WANNA HANDLE THAT AS LIKE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO YOUR ORIGINAL MOTION? YES.
AND THEN DOES THE SECOND AGREE OKAY.
I WOULD SAY SECOND AGREES TO THE AMENDMENT.
SO NOW YOU'RE BACK TO YOUR MAIN MOTION.
SO DO WE HAVE A SECOND ON THE AMENDMENT? ON THE FLOOR? SECOND.
AND WE'RE VOTING FOR EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE SEEN HERE.
COULD I HAVE A ROLL CALL? COMMISSIONER LOONEY? YES.
AND, AND TO ALL THE NEW MEMBERS YOU, YOU JUST HAD THE LONGEST MEETING HAS HAD HERE.
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UPDATES? JUST COUPLE OF QUICK THINGS.NO FENCE PERMITS, UH, SINCE YOU MET LAST.
WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT 2 69 SOUTH CENTER STREET.
UM, LOOKING AT THEIR SIGN THAT THEY WANNA PAINT THE BRICK.
UM, THE MAIN THING THAT'S HOLDING UP THE PERMIT IN CASE YOU HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT OR THE PROPERTY OWNER IS THEY'VE GOT SOME EXISTING LIGHTING THAT'S NOT WELL SCREENED AND THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO SCREEN THE UPLIGHTS TO, AND THEY'RE ALSO SUPPOSED TO PROVIDE LANDSCAPING AROUND THE SIGN.
AS SOON AS WE GET THAT, WE'LL BE ABLE TO, TO
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CUT THAT PERMIT A MINUTE LOOSE.I NOTICED IN THE, IN THE FIRST APPLICATION IN THE, IN THE TEXT THERE WAS A COMMENT IN THERE ABOUT LED LIGHTING NOT TO EXCEED 3000 K COLOR TEMPERATURE.
DO Y'ALL, CAN WE AS A TOWN PUSH HARD TO ENFORCE THAT? YES.
'CAUSE IT'S GETTING HORRIBLE ALL OVER.
I MEAN, PEOPLE GO OUT TO HOME DEPOT AND THEY BUY, YOU KNOW, YOU BUY A FIXTURE, YOU DON'T JUST BUY A BULB AND IT'S 4,000, 5,000.
THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
WE, I HAVE A NEIGHBOR LIKE THAT.
WE'VE NOTICED A LOT OF PEOPLE, A CHURCH COMES TO MIND, THEY SWITCHED OUT AND THEY WERE PROBABLY, THEY HAD GOOD INTENTIONS, BUT THE LIGHT LIGHT WAS PURPLE.
SO YEAH, IT'S, WE HAD TO ASK THEM TO, TO TONE IT DOWN AND THEY DID.
SO WE ARE GOING SO YOU CAN CROSS THE WHOLE LIKE, HISTORIC DISTRICT GOING WITH WARM LIGHTS.
WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IT, IT'D BE NICE.
WELL, THE, THE, THE TEMPERATURE OF THE BALL.
IT'D BE NICE IF THEY WERE ALL 28, BUT YOU CAN'T GET THAT SOMETIMES.
BUT EVERYBODY MAKES A THREE, BUT ONCE YOU GET ABOVE THREE, IT GOES CRAZY COLOR.
I WISH YOU WOULD GET THAT IN MONDELL FARMS AND HALLE PLANTATION ON ALL THAT.
IT, IT'S, WE'RE DEALING WITH IT IN EVERY DEVELOPMENT.
'CAUSE PEOPLE GO OUT AND AGAIN, THEY'RE, THEY'RE REPLACING BULBS.
THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE BUYING.
AND I'VE HAD PEOPLE, I MEAN, THERE'S PEOPLE THAT HAVE HOUSES THAT HAVE FOUR OR FIVE DIFFERENT COLOR BULBS AND I GO, CAN'T YOU SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING? THEY YEAH.
BUT WHEN YOU GO IN LOWE'S OR HOME DEPOT TO BUY A BUB AND IT SAYS DAYLIGHT, SOFT LIGHT.
YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT COLOR
WHAT ELSE YOU GOT? UM, 360 9 WEST POPLAR.
UM, UH, THE TABOR BOUGHT ANOTHER HOUSE RIGHT NEXT TO THE ONE THAT THEY RECENTLY REHABBED AND THEY'VE BEEN WORKING WITH SHEILA ON SOME CHANGES TO THAT HOUSE.
AND SO IT'S, THEY'RE GONNA BUILD AN ARBOR OUT FRONT, REPLACE SOME WINDOWS.
UM, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE WORKING THEIR WAY DOWN.
WHATEVER THEY CAN DO TO THAT HOUSE WOULD BE GOOD.
THAT, THAT ONE NEEDED SOME HELP.
I CAN PULL UP THE DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY MAP.
I KNOW YOU'VE HAD A LONG MEETING, SO I'LL, I'LL FORGO THAT IF IN CASE Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY NEW APPLICATIONS OTHER THAN WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT TODAY.
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END I WANTED TO, UM, RECOGNIZE JACOB WHO'S BEEN OVER THERE CALLING ROLL, TAKING MAYBE HIS LAST MEETING.UH, SO HE HE IS GONNA BE HELPING OUT MORE.
YOU'LL GET MORE EMAILS FROM HIM.
HE'LL, HE'LL BE HELP HELPING OUT.
LYNETTE'S STILL GONNA BE WITH THE TOWN.
SHE'S JUST TRANSITIONING TO A DIFFERENT ROLE.
UM, MIKE, OUR DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR, HAS BEEN VERY GRACIOUS TO LET HER WORK AND HELP OUT PLANNING.
UM, BUT, BUT NOW JACOB'S GONNA BE DOING THAT AND, AND DENETTE LYNETTE WILL BE DOING SOME OTHER THINGS.
SO WE'RE THANKFUL FOR LYNETTE'S HELP FOR THE HISTORIC COMMISSION.
UH, WE TALK A LOT ABOUT WHAT Y'ALL DO AND WHY OUT OUTSIDE.
SO LIKE WITH THE MINUTE SHE'S LIKE, WHAT'S THAT MEAN? WHY DID THEY DO THIS? WHY DIDN'T THEY DO THAT? AND SO WE, WE TALK, TALK A LOT ABOUT PRESERVATION.
YOU WELL KNOW AND THEY DON'T KNOW EITHER.
UH, SHE'S A NEW PLANNER WITH US.
AND YOU'LL, YOU'LL BE SEEING HER AT, AT SOME POINT HERE IN, UH, WITH SOME, SOME CASES, I'M SURE.
UH, AS FAR AS TRAINING GOES, WE WILL, WE'LL WE'VE LEARNED OF SOME TRAINING OPPORTUNITIES THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL FOR THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
WE'LL BE SUMMING THAT UP IN A MEMO AND SENDING THAT OUT SO YOU CAN BE PLANNING FOR THE YEAR.
UH, WE DO NOT HAVE ANY ITEMS RIGHT NOW FOR YOUR FEBRUARY MEETING, BUT, OH, WOW.
THE, THE, THE DEADLINE'S COMING UP.
AND THE LAST THING IS THE COMMUNITY SURVEY, UH, FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
DON'T FORGET TO FILL THAT OUT IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY SHARE IT.
THERE'S A BIG PUSH TO GET, GET IT IN AND DONE BY THE END OF THE MONTH.
THAT WAY OUR CONSULTANT CAN REVIEW, REVIEW THE DATA.
WE WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS A REALLY BIG PLANNING MEETING IN MAY WHERE, WHERE A LOT OF THIS STUFF IS COMING TOGETHER, A LOT OF THE FEEDBACK, SO A LOT OF PUBLIC SURVEYS AND FEEDBACK AND THIS SPRING WITH A CULMINATION IN MAY.
UH, AND MORE, MORE INFORMATION TO COME ABOUT THAT.
ANYTHING ELSE WE ADJOURN? NO, SIR.
STILL WANTS YOUR PICTURE? WE WANT A PICTURE.