Dec 04, 2025 Planning Commission

[1 Call to order]

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PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. EVERYONE, WELCOME TO THE DECEMBER PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING HERE IN COLLIERVILLE. AND, ANGELA, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL GREEN? HERE, GODDARD.

HERE. SLED. ROZANSKI. FLETCHER. GIVEN. DUBOSE. STAMPS. COTTON. HERE. ALL RIGHT. TRUST

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ASSUMING THERE'S NO ADDITIONS OR DELETIONS, I CALL FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE. MR. CHAIR, I PRESENT RECOMMEND THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE NOVEMBER 6TH, 2020 FIVE MINUTES. SECOND MOTION MADE AND SECONDED. ANGELA, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. GODDARD. YES. SLED. YES. ROZANSKI.

FLETCHER. YES. GIVEN. DUBOSE. YES. GREEN. YES. COTTON. YES. JAMIE. ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONS

[5 Approval of Agenda Additions/deletions]

SO MOVED. SECOND. ANGELA, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. SLED. YES. ROZANSKI. YES. FLETCHER. YES.

GIVEN. DUBOSE. YES. GREEN. YES. GODDARD. YES. COTTON. YES. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. NOW WE COME TO THE PART OF OUR MEETING WHERE, IF YOU ARE A CITIZEN AND HAVE NOTHING TO TALK ABOUT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA, BUT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SOME COMMENTS, NOW IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY. GOING ONCE, GOING TWICE. CITIZENS COMMENT IS CLOSED. WE HAVE NO CONSENT AGENDA TONIGHT, SO LET'S MOVE

[8.a Case #253020]

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CARNIVAL CALLS UNINCORPORATED LAND WITHIN ITS URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY. THE COLLIERVILLE RESERVE AREA, AND THESE SUBJECT PROPERTIES COULD BE ANNEXED IN THE TOWN AGAIN IN THE FUTURE IF PROPERTY OWNERS REQUEST IT. THE FOUR PROPERTIES WOULD BE REMOVED FROM THE TOWN'S 911 ROLL AFTER THEY ARE ANNEXED. HOWEVER, THERE IS A MUTUAL AID AGREEMENT THAT COLLIERVILLE PD AND FIRE HAS WITH SHELBY COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND FIRE REGARDING THE POLICE. CPD WILL NOT RESPOND TO ROUTINE CALLS. HOWEVER, CPD WILL RESPOND IN AN EMERGENCY IF A SHELBY COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE REQUESTED. CPD WILL ALSO NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO ARREST OR INVESTIGATE UNLESS ASSISTANCE IS REQUESTED BY THE SHERIFF. COUNTY. THE SHELBY COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE REGARDING FIRE. ANY FIRE CALLS WILL BE ROUTED TO SHELBY COUNTY FOR FIRST RESPONSE, AND THEY MAY CONTACT COLLIERVILLE TO ASSIST. COLLIERVILLE FIRE WILL ALSO RESPOND WITH A FIRE ENGINE FOR STRUCTURAL FIRES WITH SHELBY COUNTY. AND LASTLY, ALL MEDICAL CALLS WILL GO TO SHELBY COUNTY 911 AND WILL BE HANDLED BY THEM AFTER THE ANNEXATION. IF 911 CALLS ARE MADE ON A CELL PHONE RATHER THAN A LANDLINE PHONE, COLLIERVILLE EMERGENCY SERVICES WILL HAVE TO ROUTE THOSE CALLS TO SHELBY COUNTY, AND THAT COULD DELAY EMERGENCY RESPONSE.

COLLIERVILLE SCHOOLS ARE GENERALLY NOT AVAILABLE TO RESIDENTS OUTSIDE OF THE TOWN'S BOUNDARIES, AND ANY PARENT WHO HAS ANY PARENT WHO HAS A CHILD IS NOT WITHIN THE TOWN'S LIMIT WILL HAVE TO PAY TUITION TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT IF THEY WANTED TO ENROLL THEIR CHILD, BUT THAT'S ONLY IF THEIR SPACE. AND PER THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, THERE ARE NO STUDENTS AT THESE FOUR PROPERTIES CURRENTLY ENROLLED IN THE DISTRICT. IN THE FUTURE, ANY CHILD WILL HAVE TO ATTEND HIGHLAND OAKS ELEMENTARY, WHICH IS ON HOLMES EAST HOLMES ROAD BETWEEN HACKS CROSS AND RIVERDALE. GERMANTOWN MIDDLE SCHOOL, WHICH IS ON CDE SMITH ROAD, OR GERMANTOWN HIGH SCHOOL, WHICH IS ON POPLAR PIKE, WHICH ARE BOTH IN GERMANTOWN. THE TOWN WILL NO LONGER COLLECT TRASH, AND PROPERTY OWNERS WILL HAVE TO ORGANIZE THEIR OWN TRASH SERVICES. THE TOWN DOES NOT PROVIDE WATER OR SEWER SERVICE YET, AND ALL FOUR PROPERTIES ARE STILL ON WELL WATER AND SEPTIC TANKS. THE TOWN DOES NOT DOES NOT EXTEND WATER OR SEWER SERVICES OUTSIDE OF THE TOWN'S LIMITS, AND IN THE FUTURE THESE PROPERTIES COULD HAVE ACCESS TO TOWN WATER.

BUT THE COST IS NOT FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE RIGHT NOW FOR THE TOWN AS THERE ARE SUCH FEW HOMES ALONG QUEEN ROAD, THERE COULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY IN THE FUTURE OF PRIVATE DEVELOPMENTS TO EXTEND THOSE WATER LINES TO THEIR PROJECTS, BUT THAT'S IF IT'S WITHIN THE TOWN'S LIMITS.

AND IT COULD IT WOULD COULD CAUSE ROUGHLY $1.8 MILLION TO EXTEND ABOUT 6000 LINEAR FEET OF WATER LINES DOWN QUEEN ROAD UP TO THE LAST INCORPORATED PROPERTY, WHICH IS AT 1451 QUEEN ROAD. AND CURRENTLY THERE ARE NO PLANS WITHIN THE TOWN'S CAPITAL BUDGET BUDGET TO EXTEND WATER LINES IN THAT AREA. THERE ARE. THERE ARE OTHER ASPECTS SUCH AS REPAIRING AND MAINTAINING THE EXISTING SYSTEMS, THAT COULD BE ADVERSELY IMPACTED IF FUNDS WERE REALLOCATED TO EXTEND WATER SERVICES, AND SINCE THE QUEEN RIDGE PD WAS DELAYED, WHICH IS OUTSIDE OF OUR TOWN LIMITS, WATER ACCESS IS NOT EXPECTED IN THIS AREA IN THE NEAR FUTURE. CURRENTLY, THERE ARE NO STREET LIGHTS DOWN THIS PORTION OF QUEEN ROAD. HOWEVER, THE ENGINEERING DIVISION HAS REQUESTED THAT MLGW PROVIDE STREETLIGHTS ALONG PORTIONS OF QUEEN ROAD THAT ARE WITHIN THE TOWN'S LIMITS. HOWEVER, THAT HAS NOT OCCURRED YET, AND THERE ARE A FEW EXISTING UTILITY POLES THAT COULD BE UTILIZED FOR THESE STREET LIGHTS. IF THIS ANNEXATION IS APPROVED BY THE BMA, THESE FOUR PROPERTIES WILL DEFAULT TO CONSERVATION AGRICULTURE ZONING DISTRICT AND THIS IS A DISTRICT WITHIN THE MEMPHIS SHELBY COUNTY UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. CURRENTLY, THERE ARE NO PENDING PROJECTS FOR ANY OF THESE PROPERTIES, AND ANY FUTURE DEVELOPMENT WILL BE WITHIN THE PURVIEW OF THE MEMPHIS SHELBY COUNTY DIVISION OF PLANNING. AND SINCE THIS PROPERTY IS WITHIN THE RESERVE AREA, THE TOWN WILL BE ABLE TO INFORMALLY REVIEW ANY MAJOR DEVELOPMENTS SUCH AS PD SITE PLANS OR SUBDIVISION PLATS.

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ALL RIGHT. COMMISSIONERS, DO WE DO I HEAR A MOTION? YEAH. MOTION TO APPROVE. CASE 2530 20 FOR THE MODIFYING THE ORDINANCE 2020 602 FOR THE ANNEXATION OF SAID PROPERTIES. SECOND, DO I HEAR ANY DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS? ANGELA. NO DISCUSSION. MOTION MADE IN SECOND. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. FLETCHER. YES. GIVEN. YES. DUBOSE. GREEN. YES. GODDARD.

SLED. YES. ROZANSKI. COTTON. YES. ALL RIGHT. THAT CONCLUDES THE FORMAL AGENDA. AND LET'S

[9 Development Updates (new cases, administrative reviews, etc.)]

SOME ARE PRETTY SMALL. YOU HAVE THE ANNEXATION. THE ANNEXATION WE JUST LOOKED AT TODAY. BUT WHAT I WANTED TO PUT ON YOUR RADAR. ARMADALE FARMS, PHASE 11. AND SO THIS IS AT THE INTERSECTION OF WOLF RIVER AND HOUSTON LEVEE. THIS IS THE NORTH WEST QUADRANT OF HOUSTON LEVEE AND WOLF RIVER BEHIND THE GAS STATION. IT'S SOME VACANT LAND THAT JASON CRUZ OWNS AND HAS BEEN PLANNING TO DEVELOP FOR SOME TIME. THERE ARE NO BUILDINGS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS OR NO SPECIFIC TENANTS WITH WITH THIS APPLICATION. WHAT THEY'RE DOING RIGHT NOW IS THEY'VE SUBMITTED CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS TO STAFF FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE, FOR THE LOTS.

THEY'RE TRYING TO HAVE IT ALL READY. SO IF THEY DO COURT A TENANT THAT THEY CAN BRING IN A SITE PLAN PRETTY QUICKLY WITHOUT A WHOLE LOT OF ADDITIONAL WORK. SO WE'RE REVIEWING THAT RIGHT NOW, THE STAFF STAGE, MOST OF OUR COMMENTS HAVE BEEN ABOUT TRAFFIC AND TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS ARE ADDRESSED. SO YOU MIGHT SEE THAT MAYBE IN THE FIRST QUARTER OF NEXT YEAR, IF DIRECTLY BEHIND THAT, EXXON DIRECTLY BEHIND IT. YES. RIGHT. AND WRAPS AROUND IT. SO THAT'S ONE CASE I WANTED TO PUT ON YOUR RADAR. ANOTHER I WANTED TO PUT ON YOUR RADAR IS 215 SOUTH CENTER STREET. WE TALKED ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT IN THE SUMMER. THAT'S WHERE THE EXISTING BUILDING IS, WHERE GUS'S USED TO BE. THEY HAVE SUBMITTED ADDITIONAL DRAWINGS TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND HISTORIC COMMISSION. WE REVIEWED THAT AT THE STAFF LEVEL, AND YOU COULD SEE THAT AS SOON AS JANUARY OR FEBRUARY. NO, MORE LIKE THE FEBRUARY PLANNING COMMISSION AND MAYBE JANUARY HISTORIC COMMISSION. SO THAT'S MOVING FORWARD. AND YOU'LL YOU'LL SEE THAT THE DUPLEX THAT THE THAT Y'ALL DID NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THAT THE APPLICANT HAS ASKED TO GO ON TO THE MAYOR AND BOARD, DESPITE THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION,

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AND KEEP THE PROJECT GOING AND MAKE SURE THERE'S ADEQUATE FIRE SAFETY TO THE BUILDING AND WHICH THEY'VE DONE. BUT NOW I THINK THE CHALLENGE WILL BE, ARE THEY DOING WHAT THEY SAID THEY WOULD DO AS FAR AS ARCHITECTURAL AND LANDSCAPING COMMITMENTS, THE ONE YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT, IS THERE ANOTHER ONE? NO, THAT'S IT'S THE IT'S THE BLUE ONE OKAY. YEAH. IT'S THE ONE NEXT TO THE THE ONE THAT'S ALREADY COMPLETE. AND THEN THERE'LL BE A THIRD ONE THERE EVENTUALLY. BUT WE'LL, WE'LL DOUBLE CHECK AND SEE, SEE WHAT'S GOING ON. AND IF THEY'VE MADE ANY CHANGES THEY MAY HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE DRC. THEY'VE GOT ONE THREE MAN BRICK CREW WORKING THAT. IT'S, IT'S A VERY I DON'T THINK THEY'RE IN A HURRY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT PROJECTS, JAMIE. WHAT ABOUT ANY ANY ACTION ON DUTCH BROTHERS? THEY WERE. WE WERE TOLD THAT THEY WOULD NEVER BACK UP TRAFFIC ONTO POPLAR, BUT THEY'RE DOING IT ALMOST DAILY NOW, AND THEY'RE BEYOND THEIR GRAND OPENING AND FREE COFFEE. PERIOD. IT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH OUR LATEST ENFORCEMENT ACTIONS ON THAT, BUT I. I CAN DIG INTO THAT AND TRY TO GET YOU SOME UPDATED INFORMATION. SO I'LL, I'LL TALK WITH ANY TWO WHO'S NOT HERE TONIGHT, AND I'LL FOLLOW UP VIA EMAIL AND LET YOU KNOW WHAT OUR LATEST EFFORTS ARE. WITH THAT, AS I'M RESPONDING TO YOUR QUESTION, I'M REMEMBERING THAT THERE'S SOMETHING WITH THE RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE MODIFIED. I KNOW PEOPLE HAVE HIT IT A LOT, AND WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO REDUCE THAT FROM HAPPENING. I THINK IN OUR SESSION, WE RECOMMENDED A RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT AND THEY WOULD NOT THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER. THEY WOULD ON THAT. THEY WOULDN'T DO IT. THAT'S CORRECT. ON THE EXISTING ONE. AND MAYBE THE NEW DRIVEWAY THEY PUT IN THAT HAS THAT, THAT CONTROL. BUT I'LL FOLLOW UP. WHAT'S UP.

FIND OUT MORE JAMIE, THE THE GAS STATION ON COLLIERVILLE ROAD AND BYHALIA. YES. ARE THEY STILL WITHIN THEIR TIMELINES FOR WHATEVER IT IS THEY NEED? THEY STILL ARE WITHIN THEIR TIMELINE. BUT WE'VE COMMUNICATED TO THEM THE THE DATE THAT THEY'LL LOSE ALL THEIR APPROVALS INVESTING. SO THEY ARE AWARE OF THAT. AND, AND WE'LL SEE IF THEY WANT TO COME IN AND TALK ABOUT AN EXTENSION OR, OR GO VERTICAL. BUT THEY ARE AWARE OF THE DATES.

ANY OTHERS. OKAY. SO I WANTED TO SHARE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT A PROJECT THAT WE, WE HAVE GOING

[10 Other Business]

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IT USED TO BE THE WHEN THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR MAYBE THE BOARD APPROVED WHAT THEY CALL A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN, A PROJECT. THAT'S WHEN THAT WAS THE DATE. BUT THE LEGISLATURE HAS SAID THAT IT COULD START AS EARLY AS SUBMISSION. SO SOMEBODY DROPS SOMETHING OUT AT TOWN HALL. YOU HAVEN'T EVEN APPROVED IT YET. BUT WHEN IT DOES GET APPROVED, THEY GET TO REACH ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE DAY IT CAME IN THE DOOR. AND I THINK THAT'S TO KEEP US, THE MUNICIPALITY, FROM CHANGING THE RULES ON SOMEBODY MID GAME. AND THERE'S ALSO THEY GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO DEFINE WHAT A SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLIANT PLAN IS. AND THAT MIGHT HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH WITH WHEN THE VESTING ACTUALLY TAKES PLACE AND WHEN IT, WHEN IT STARTS. SO WE'RE GOING TO BRING AN ORDINANCE OR WE'D LIKE TO BRING A SOLUTION WHERE WE DEFINE WHAT THAT IS. WE MTAS TENNESSEE MUNICIPAL ADVISORY SERVICE OR HAS PROVIDED A MODEL ORDINANCE EFFECTIVELY THAT WE COULD USE. SO WE'RE GOING TO LOOK TO THAT WORK REALLY CLOSELY WITH NATHAN AND ALSO AND TRY TO TRY TO BRING THAT THAT FORWARD. SO THAT'S THAT'S ONE CHANGE. ANOTHER IS RELATED TO THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS. THE LEGISLATURE HAS PASSED RULES SAYING THAT THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS HAS CERTAIN TRAINING REQUIREMENTS. THEY NEED TO EXPLAIN THEIR VOTES. THEY NEED TO KEEP CERTAIN RECORDS. AND AND THAT WE ALSO, WHEN WE'RE CORRESPONDING WITH PEOPLE ABOUT FENCE PERMITS OR SIGN PERMITS, WE NEED TO TELL THEM EXPRESSLY THAT THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO APPEAL TO THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS. SO WE NEED TO PROCEDURALLY, WE CAN MAKE THAT THAT LATTER CHANGE PRETTY EASILY. BUT THE OTHER WE MIGHT HAVE TO CHANGE OUR, OUR ORDINANCE. SO THAT'S A PRETTY EASY ONE. AND THE LAST ONE I LEARNED TODAY, THIS ACTUALLY DID NOT GO INTO LAW. BUT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT CHANGING HOW HOW THE TERMS OF THE HISTORIC COMMISSION MEMBERS FROM FIVE YEARS TO SIX YEARS, BUT THAT ACTUALLY DID NOT PASS. SO MOVING ON, SUBMITTAL REQUIREMENTS AND PROCESSES. ONE CHANGE THAT WE'VE HEARD A LOT, A LITTLE FRUSTRATION FROM THE DRC IS ENGINEERS. AND I LOVE MY ENGINEERING COLLEAGUES. THEY'RE GREAT. BUT THERE ARE SOME ENGINEERS IN OUR REGION THAT WILL SEAL A LANDSCAPING PLAN OR PREPARE A LANDSCAPING PLAN AND NOT A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT, AND I UNDERSTAND, AND SCOTT AND THOSE OF YOU ALL THAT THAT MAY BE LICENSED, LET ME KNOW. BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU COULD SEAL A LANDSCAPING PLAN IF YOU FELT CONFIDENT IN THAT AREA. AND AND THE STATE LICENSING BOARD WILL ALLOW FOR THAT. BUT BUT WHEN THEY DO THAT, THEY, THEY GO AT A RISK THAT SOMEBODY MAY CALL THEIR BLUFF OR REPORT THEM TO THE STATE. SO I'VE SEEN THAT HAPPEN. AND AS LONG AS SOMEBODY FEELS THAT THEY'RE COMPETENT IN THAT AREA, THEY THEY CAN SEAL A PLAN. THE DRC ISSUE IS SOME OF THE LANDSCAPING PLANS HAVE BEEN HAVE BEEN KIND OF UNDERWHELMING.

THEY'RE NOT VERY CREATIVE. SOME OF THE PLANT MATERIALS THAT HAVE BEEN SPECIFIED AREN'T EVEN REALLY APPROPRIATE IN THE LOCATION, THE LIGHT CONDITION, OR MAYBE EVEN OUR REGION. SO THEY'VE ASKED, CAN WE REQUIRE A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT TO SEAL LANDSCAPING PLANS SO WE COULD BE MORE RESTRICTIVE THAN THE STATE IN THAT REGARD, AND SPECIFICALLY SPECIFY A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT SEAL PLANS? SO ANY CONCERNS ON THAT IS THAT AS Y'ALL'S DISCRETION OR JUST EVERY TIME, I THINK EVERY TIME WE WOULD WRITE IT INTO THE CODE THAT IT WOULD BE DONE, WOULD IT APPLY TO RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES? IT WOULD NOT NOT NOT SMALL SINGLE FAMILY PROPERTIES, BUT COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES, PROJECTS THAT YOU ALL WOULD SEE THAT WOULD HAVE TO HAVE AN LA SEAL ON IT. SOME OTHER MUNICIPALITIES DO THIS, AND IT IT FEELS LIKE IT'S THE RIGHT TIME TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS. IT'S NOT OFTEN THAT IT HAPPENS, BUT I THINK THIS WOULD HELP ENSURE THAT WE GET QUALITY DESIGNS AND THAT THEY'RE WELL CONCEIVED. CHAIRMAN ME, ASK A QUESTION. HOW ABOUT NEIGHBORHOOD ENTRIES? OH, IF IT WAS LIKE A BRAND NEW

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THE NEXT ONE CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS. SOMETIMES WHEN WE HAVE A PROJECT LIKE THE TOYOTA DEALERSHIP THAT WAS NOT SUCCESSFUL AT LOCATING ON WINCHESTER OR MERCEDES, THAT WAS SUCCESSFUL, BUT HAS THEY CHANGED OWNERSHIP? SO THEY HAVEN'T GONE FORWARD WITH THEIR PARKING LOT, THEIR STANDARDS THAT ARE REALLY RIGID. AND I'M THINKING OF BERMS THAT ARE REQUIRED FOR CAR DEALERS. THERE'S HARDLY ANY CAR DEALER IN TOWN THAT HAS BERMS. I THINK MAYBE CHRYSLER DODGE JEEP MAY HAVE FOUND SOMETHING UP A LITTLE BIT, BUT SOMETIMES WALLS OR FENCES OR LANDSCAPING CAN PROVIDE JUST AS EFFECTIVE OF A SCREEN, IF NOT NOT BETTER. SO A SUGGESTION WAS MADE THAT WE HAVE A ALLOW FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS TO ALLOW FLEXIBILITY THROUGH THE PROCESS. IF THERE'S A SUBSTANTIALLY EQUIVALENT ALTERNATIVE THAT THAT'S PROVIDED. SO NOT NOT TRYING TO GET OUT OF ANYTHING. BUT IF THERE'S A GOOD ENOUGH SOLUTION, AN ALTERNATIVE THAT'S PROPOSED, THE PLANNING COMMISSION COULD RECOMMEND THAT THE BOARD COULD APPROVE THAT. SO ANY ANY CONCERNS WITH THAT? JAMIE, IT SAYS HERE ALTERNATIVE COMPLIANCE FOR INTERCHANGE STANDARDS FOR AUTO DEALERSHIPS. I MEAN, SO ARE YOU CONTEMPLATING ALTERNATIVE COMPLIANCE FOR ALL CUPS, CUPS OR OR JUST FOR THOSE RELATED TO THE STANDARDS FOR DEALERSHIPS? IT'S IT'S A CONCEPT THAT WE COULD DO FOR ALL. BUT ALSO WITH THE DEALERSHIP, I THINK WE'VE GOT TO FIX THAT, THAT BURN LANGUAGE. SO WE COULD PROBABLY DEAL WITH BOTH. BUT WE WERE THINKING ABOUT INTRODUCING THIS CONCEPT TO ANYTHING THAT ANY KIND OF CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT THAT HAS SPECIFIC DESIGN CRITERIA ASSOCIATED WITH IT.

OKAY, YOU'RE NOT STRIKING THE BURN. YOU'RE JUST GIVING THE OPPORTUNITY FOR AN ALTERNATIVE TO BE PRESENTED. CORRECT. SO FIRM OR ALTERNATIVES. AND RIGHT NOW IT'S VERY RIGID. I GOT A QUESTION JAMIE. YEAH. IF, IF, IF THIS SOLUTION OR SOMETHING THAT WOULD, WERE IMPLEMENTED, WOULD THAT STILL COME BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR JUST GO DIRECT TO THE BMA? IF THERE'S AN ALTERNATIVE, IT WOULD COME TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR RECOMMENDATION, AND YOU WOULD LET THE BOARD KNOW WHETHER YOU FELT COMFORTABLE WITH THAT OR NOT. I JUST WONDERED LOGISTICALLY HOW THAT WOULD, WOULD, WOULD WORK. BUT YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD SEE EVERY, EVERY ONE THAT THEY ASK FOR. AND WE CAN SHOW YOU THIS LANGUAGE. YOU DON'T HAVE TO.

WE'RE JUST WE'RE JUST TALKING RIGHT NOW. SO WE'LL SHOW YOU THE EXACT LANGUAGE AS WE GET INTO IT. AND AND YOU CAN ALWAYS CHANGE YOUR MIND. SO MOVING ON. SOMETIMES. WE'VE SEEN REZONINGS COME THROUGH WHERE THE, THE PROPERTY OWNERS, THE NEIGHBORS DON'T KNOW A WHOLE LOT ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON. SOMETIMES THEY LEARN ABOUT IT FROM US FIRST, SOMETIMES THEY DON'T LEARN ABOUT REALLY WHAT'S GOING ON UNTIL THEY COME TO THE PUBLIC MEETINGS. SO WE'RE THINKING ABOUT REQUIRING A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING FOR REZONINGS. AND THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE DO. WE DO THAT FOR PLANNED DEVELOPMENTS, BUT WE DON'T DO THAT FOR REZONINGS. SO I THINK THAT COULD HELP MAKE SURE IF PARTICULARLY IF WE DID IT WHERE THEY HAD TO LIKE WITHIN 30 DAYS BEFORE APPLYING, THEY HAD TO HAVE THIS NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING. THIS COULD HELP EDUCATE THE NEIGHBORHOOD ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON, THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT, AND IN WAYS THAT MIGHT NOT EVEN BE POSSIBLE QUITE THROUGH THE REZONING PROCESS. IF SOMEBODY KNOWS THEY WANT TO BUILD SOMETHING, THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET A WHOLE LOT MORE INFORMATION DIRECTLY FROM THE BUILDER DEVELOPER THAN THEY ARE FROM A REZONING STAFF REPORT. SOMETIMES THOSE ARE VERY, VERY MACRO, AND THEY DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF SPECIFIC DETAIL. SO THAT'S THAT'S AN IDEA THAT WE'D LIKE TO TO BRING FORWARD. ANY CONCERNS ON THAT. ALL RIGHT. SO THE NEXT ONE IS THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS PROCESS. WE HAVE REALLY RELIED A LOT ON TRAFFIC STUDIES IN RECENT YEARS.

WE'VE REQUIRED THEM FOR A LONG TIME. WE USED TO HAVE CONSULTANTS HELP US REVIEW TRAFFIC STUDIES. NOW WE HAVE TWO ON STAFF. WE HAVE A STAFF ENGINEER AND WE'RE REALLY REFINING OUR PROCESS. BUT WHAT WE'RE FINDING IS SOMETIMES THERE'S A TRAFFIC STUDY DONE AND IT COMES IN THE DOOR. AND WE'VE NEVER SEEN THAT TRAFFIC STUDY BEFORE. AND THEY'VE TURNED IN CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS AT THE SAME TIME. THAT'S BASED UPON SOME OF THE MITIGATION

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LOOKING BACK AT SOME OF THOSE CONCEPTUAL DRAWINGS WITH THE DUPLEX THAT YOU SAW RECENTLY, WE REALIZED THAT THE CODE REQUIRES A SITE PLAN FOR THAT DUPLEX. AND SO THAT COULD BE FINE. THAT COULD BE WHAT THE TOWN WANTS. BUT THAT'S AN AWFUL LOT OF PROCESS FOR A LITTLE BUILDING. SO WE DO HAVE DESIGN STANDARDS THAT APPLY TO HOW DUPLEXES LOOK. SO WE'RE GOING TO SUGGEST THAT MAYBE DUPLEXES ALSO DON'T GET TO FOREGO SITE PLAN REVIEW. AND IT JUST DESIGN REVIEW HAPPENS AT THE BUILDING PERMIT STAGE. THAT COULD HELP WITH WITH SMALL PROJECTS, INFILL PROJECTS. IT COULD HELP WITH WITH AFFORDABILITY TO NOT REQUIRE FULL BLOWN BLOWN PROCESS FOR THAT. ANY CONCERNS ABOUT THAT? ALL RIGHT. PARKING AND TRAFFIC. SO THIS HAS COME UP A LOT. SO PARKING REGULATIONS THEY HAVEN'T REALLY BEEN UPDATED IN IN SEVERAL YEARS. OUR PARKING REQUIREMENTS, WE REALLY NEED A COMPREHENSIVE OVERHAUL. AND WE'RE GOING TO GET THAT. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A NEW ZONING ORDINANCE AFTER THE AFTER WE GET THROUGH OUR NEW 2050 COMP COMP PLAN, THAT WILL BE ONE OF OUR NEXT PROJECTS. BUT UNTIL THEN, IT MAY BE GOOD TO COME UP WITH SOME KIND OF PROCESS THAT ALLOWS PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERS TO PROPOSE ALTERNATIVES. THERE IS A PROCESS LIKE THAT THAT EXISTS WITHIN THE LIMITS OF THE DOWNTOWN AREA, BECAUSE WE REALIZE WITH INFILL AND MULTIPLE USES ON A PARTICULAR

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AND WE CAN ALWAYS SAY NO IF WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT THEIR STUDIES ARE RIGHT. SO WHAT THIS MIGHT ALLOW YOU TO DO IS LOOK AT ALTERNATIVE FORMULAS RATHER THAN THE FORMULAS THAT ARE IN OUR ORDINANCE FOR LOOKING AT PARKING DEMAND AND COUNTING THINGS LIKE OFF, OFF, OFF SITE PARKING, ON STREET PARKING. ALL RIGHT. SO THAT'S THAT'S ONE. ANOTHER IS TO ALLOW CHANGE OUR PARKING CAP. RECENTLY MCDONALD'S, THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY THEY'RE TRYING TO SELL TO MCDONALD'S, ASKED TO CHANGE THE PARKING CAP. YOU MADE A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL. THE BMA HAD EXPRESSED CONCERN ABOUT THAT AND THAT PROJECT AND THAT THAT PARTICULAR EFFORT STOPPED.

SO WE HEARD FROM THE BOARD THAT THEY WANT TO COMPLETELY LOOK AT THE AT THE ZONING ORDINANCE, WHICH IS SOMETHING WE WANT TO DO, TOO, BUT THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN ANYTIME SOON. SO POTENTIAL ALTERNATIVE COULD BE TO RESTRUCTURE OUR PARKING MAXIMUM, TO SAY THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THE MAYOR AND BOARD CAN LOOK AT PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER STUDIES AND ESSENTIALLY GRANT A WAIVER OR AN ALTERNATIVE FORMULA, AND IT'S KIND OF SIMILAR TO THE TO THE OTHER ISSUE, BUT ALLOW THAT FOR THE PARKING CAP. AND AN EXAMPLE MIGHT BE IF IF THE IT THE ENGINEERING PROFESSIONALS SAY THAT A RESTAURANT NEEDS A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF PARKING SPACES, YOU COULD LOOK AT THAT AND SAY, WE AGREE. WE THINK YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE MORE PARKING. AND THE MAYOR AND BOARD COULD LOOK AT THAT AND ALSO WITH, WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, BE ABLE TO APPROVE THAT. SO INSTEAD OF HAVING A HARD CAP, IT WOULD BE OPEN TO A WAIVER AT THE BMA STAGE. ANY CONCERNS WITH THAT? JAMIE. THE ONLY THING I MEAN KNEE TO WOULD REVIEW THAT TOO. ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. I DON'T THINK WE WANT JUST TO GO ON THE ENGINEER'S RECOMMENDATION JUST BECAUSE HE'S AN ENGINEER. CORRECT. HE IS BEING PAID. WE WOULD REVIEW WHAT THEY HAD TO SAY UP AGAINST OUR OUR TECHNICAL DATA AND OUR UNDERSTANDING, AND WE MIGHT EVEN ASK THEM TO PROVE IT, GIVE US MORE PROPRIETARY DATA FROM THEIR OWN RESTAURANTS. THAT'S THAT'S PRETTY COMMON. SO IS THE BIGGEST ISSUE NOW THAT WE'RE REQUIRING TOO MANY PARKING SPACES OR WE ARE NOT REQUIRING OR NOT. THE ISSUE HERE IS WE ARE LIMITING THE NUMBER OF SPACES AND THEIR DEMAND. THEY SAY THEY NEED MORE AND STAFF, I BELIEVE IT. WE SEE THE WE SEE THE DEMAND, WE SEE THE IT NUMBERS, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A REALLY GOOD MECHANISM TO ACKNOWLEDGE IT. GRANT THAT WAIVER. THEY'RE HAVING TROUBLE GETTING IT THROUGH THE BZA. AND IT'S NOT REALLY WHAT WHAT THEY'RE INTENDED FOR. BUT WE'VE GOT TO FIGURE OUT A WAY IN THE CODE TO PROVIDE SOME KIND OF RELIEF. SO THIS THIS GIVES THE BMA AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION A CASE BY CASE WAY TO, TO REVIEW THAT AND, AND GRANT THAT RELIEF SHORT OF COMPLETELY REDOING OUR CODE, WHICH WE NEED TO KNOW, WE'VE GOT TO DO. BUT SO THIS THIS MAY BE LIKE AN INTERIM SOLUTION UNTIL WE CAN FIGURE THAT OUT. BUT WE HAVE RESTAURANTS THAT ARE QUEUING UP THAT THAT NEED THAT WANT THAT PARKING. THEY NEED THAT PARKING.

SO MOVING ON TO THE NEXT ONE, WE'RE REALIZING THAT SITES WITH DRIVE THRUS REQUIRE DIFFERENT NEEDS THAN A SIT DOWN RESTAURANT. A JIM'S PLACE OPERATES DIFFERENTLY THAN A THAN A WHATABURGER. AND SO ONE IDEA IS TO REQUIRE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR ANY, ANY RESTAURANT. OR IT COULD BE ANY USE THAT REQUIRES A DRIVE THROUGH. THERE'S A COMPOUNDING PHARMACY IN COLLIERVILLE THAT WORKS DIFFERENTLY THAN A WALGREEN'S. AND SO MAYBE WE MAYBE WE JUST APPLY THIS TO ALL ALL USES THAT REQUIRE THAT NEED NEED A DRIVE THROUGH, WOULD NEED A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. AND THAT WOULD HELP THE MAYOR AND BOARD THE PLANNING

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THE LOADING BIRTH REQUIREMENTS COULD BE WAYS. THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. IT SHOULDN'T BE HARD.

YOU KNOW, THEY'RE THE ONES THAT LIVE WITH IT NO MATTER WHAT THEY DO. IF THEY PUT IN TOO MUCH LOADING. SO IF THEY DON'T PUT ENOUGH IN, THEN THEY GOT TO HAND CARRY EVERYTHING. IT'S YEAH, THERE ARE A LOT OF DIFFERENT SHAPES AND CONFIGURATIONS TO TO LOADING.

SO THE NEXT TOPIC IS ABOUT AND I'LL TRY TO WRAP IT UP HERE SOON. EMERGING TRENDS EVERYWHERE. EVERYTHING FROM EV CHARGING STATIONS. OUR CODE REALLY DOESN'T ADDRESS THAT VERY WELL. SO I THINK WE NEED TO ADD THAT AS TO OUR ACCESSORY USE SECTION. BUT EVEN SOLAR ISN'T REALLY WELL ADDRESSED. WE TALK ABOUT ENERGY PRODUCTION, SO I THINK WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT MAYBE CHANGE OUR USE TABLE TO TALK ABOUT SOLAR FARMS. THESE ARE LARGE SITES AND THEN ADD TO OUR ACCESSORY USE SECTION AND AND STRUCTURE SECTION ABOUT PANELS THAT MIGHT BE ON A BUILDING OR MAYBE ON A, ON A SMALL PROPERTY, LIKE MAYBE LIKE A RESTAURANT THAT MIGHT HAVE OUT BACK SOME, SOME SOLAR PANELS AND HOW WE ADDRESS THAT AND WHAT THOSE REGULATIONS ARE.

SO WE NEED WE NEED TO UPDATE THAT. BUT THIS IS ALSO A POTENTIAL SOLUTION FOR MLG AND W AND THE REQUEST THAT THEY WANTED TO BRING TO YOU THE OTHER DAY, RATHER THAN IF WE ALLOW IN THE MPO DISTRICT RATHER THAN INDUSTRIAL DISTRICTS, SOLAR FARMS OF A CERTAIN SIZE THROUGH A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT PROCESS THAT CAN ENABLE US TO AVOID USING PUTTING INDUSTRIAL ZONING AT THAT WESTERN GATEWAY. SO THAT THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE NEED TO ADDRESS THIS ANYWAY. BUT I THINK THIS IS A GOOD, GOOD TIME TO HELP, HELP THAT HAPPEN. IF THE TOWN WANTS TO SEE THAT ON THAT SIDE OF TOWN. AND WE PUT IN SOME MINIMUM ACREAGE ACREAGE REQUIREMENTS SO THAT NOT EVERY MPO LOT IN TOWN COULD HAVE A SOLAR FARM. SO IT MIGHT BE A MINIMUM OF 100 ACRES OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE.

ANOTHER ISSUE IS FOOD TRUCKS. OUR ORDINANCE DOESN'T REALLY CLEARLY ADDRESS FOOD TRUCKS. WE DO A PRETTY GOOD JOB OF ADDRESSING MOBILE FROZEN VENDORS LIKE ICE CREAM TRUCKS, BUT NOT FOOD TRUCKS. SOMETIMES THESE CAN BE CONTROVERSIAL WITH RESTAURANT OWNERS BECAUSE SOMEBODY CAN POP UP REALLY QUICKLY WITH A LOT, NOT A WHOLE LOT OF OVERHEAD. SO WE'VE GOT TO COME UP WITH SOME LOCATIONAL RULES. BUT WE DO HAVE SOME PRETTY GOOD RULES OF THUMB THAT WE USE NOW. SO THIS WOULD ACTUALLY PUT IT INTO THE CODE. AND ONE CONCISE SPOT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT ALREADY ISSUES PERMITS FOR THESE FROM A SAFETY STANDPOINT. SO WE COULD JUST INTEGRATE INTO THAT THAT PROCESS WITH WITH NOT A WHOLE LOT OF RED TAPE. CODE ENFORCEMENT INCONSISTENCY. WE DISCOVERED SOMETHING THAT WE HAVEN'T BEEN ENFORCING VERY WELL. AND WE EITHER NEED TO TAKE IT OUT OR CHANGE IT. AND THE IN THE IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA, THE TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD ZONING DISTRICT, THERE'S A MAXIMUM DRIVEWAY WIDTH OF TEN FEET. THERE'S SOME DRIVEWAYS OUT THERE THAT ARE WIDER THAN TEN FEET, AND IT'S MORE THAN A FEW. SO WE EITHER NEED TO TAKE IT OUT OR CHANGE IT. SO WE DO NEED TO ADDRESS THAT SO THAT THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO WORK ON. ANOTHER IS HOME BASED BUSINESSES. YOU MAY HAVE DRIVEN BY A PROPERTY AND YOU SEE LIKE A BIG TRUCK WITH ALL KINDS OF LAWN EQUIPMENT AND PIPES. AND WE WE DO A GOOD JOB OF REGULATING RVS AND BOATS AND MAKING SURE THAT THOSE ARE TO

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AND SO CODES IS ASKED, CAN WE PLEASE ADDRESS THEM ALL THE SAME. AND THAT THAT WILL HELP US CLEAN UP THE STREETSCAPE. SO, SO THAT'S THAT'S BEEN A REQUEST FOR CODES IS TO TREAT TRAILERS THE SAME AS WE DO RVS. ANOTHER ONE IS A PRETTY SIMPLE CHANGE. WE EXEMPTED POOLS FROM THE ACCESSORY USE SECTION OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE. WHAT THAT MEANS IS SOMEBODY COULD ACTUALLY PUT A POOL IN THEIR FRONT YARD, WHICH IS NOT SOMETHING WE WANT TO SEE. MAYBE IT'S OKAY FOR LIFETIME FITNESS, A COMMERCIAL ONE, BUT THAT'S WE WE NEED TO FIX THAT. AND I THINK IT WILL GIVE US WHEN WE FIX THAT, IT'LL GIVE US A CHANCE TO MAYBE PUT SOME OTHER STANDARDS INTO PLACE FOR POOLS, EITHER NOW OR IN THE FUTURE. SOMETIMES POOLS CAN BE REALLY DETRIMENTAL TO THEIR NEIGHBORS. THEY CREATE CAN CHANGE THE DRAINAGE FLOW OF OF SOMEBODY'S BACKYARD. SO I THINK WE COULD PUT IN A FEW VERY BASIC STANDARDS JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT FOLKS THAT PUT IN POOLS ARE BEING GOOD, GOOD NEIGHBORS. QUESTION. IS THERE ANY DEFINITION BETWEEN A POOL AND A WATER FEATURE? THERE MIGHT NOT BE. I'D HAVE TO LOOK INTO THE CODE, BUT I'LL I'LL ADD THAT TO THE LIST AND SEE IF WE NEED A POOL DEFINITION. THAT'S A GOOD POINT. THAT CAN BE IF SOMEBODY HAS A KOI POND, IT MIGHT BE OKAY IN THE FRONT YARD, BUT A CONCRETE POND MIGHT NOT BE OKAY. BUT THEN IF THEY. FENCE AROUND WATERFALL, THAT'S A. AGAIN. SO BZA ISSUES ONE WE SAW IS SMALL LOTS AND PARTICULARLY CORNER LOTS AND IN LIKE ALLEY LOADED DEVELOPMENTS. THEY'RE HAVING TROUBLE. THEY'RE COMING TO THE BCA A LOT ASKING FOR A SETBACK VARIANCE. THERE'S A WHAT WE CALL THE 20 FOOT RULE. A FENCE HAS TO BE SET BACK 20FT FROM A CURB ON A CORNER LOT. SOME OF THESE LOTS THERE MIGHT THE HOUSE MAY BE SEVEN FEET. THERE MAY BE A SEVEN FOOT SETBACK OR TEN FOOT SETBACK. SO IT'S REALLY HARD FOR A PROPERTY OWNER TO HAVE THEIR HOUSE AT TEN FEET, AND THEN THEIR FENCE HAS TO COME 20FT. SO WE'VE GOT TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO ADDRESS THAT. THAT COULD PREVENT SOME CASES. ANOTHER IS AND I'D LOVE TO KNOW YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS. WE SEE A LOT OF FENCE HEIGHT VARIANCES. SO THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF FENCES IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA IS SIX FEET. BUT SOME PEOPLE SOMETIMES WANT TO GO TO 7FT OR 8FT FOR VARIOUS REASONS. TOPO OR THEY JUST THEY JUST WANT SOME EXTRA SCREENING.

I'VE SEEN SOME COMMUNITIES ALLOW FOR LATTICE, SO LIKE THE TOP FOOT OR TWO 18IN, 2220 FOUR INCHES TO BE OPEN AND THEY GET TO GO FENCE COULD BE TALLER THAN SIX FEET. SO WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT DOING SOMETHING LIKE THAT? ALLOWING THAT AS AN OPTION. WOULD LATTICE BE THE ONLY OPTION? OR THERE'S MULTIPLE OPTIONS THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE THE ONLY ONLY ONE TO BE IN A CONSISTENT. YEAH, CONSISTENT ACROSS THE WHOLE COUNTY. I MEAN, CITY SPACING OF LATTICE ETC. SAY THAT AGAIN WITH THE WITH THE DESIGN SPACING BE THE SAME IN IN OF THE LATTICE ACROSS THE WHOLE CITY. WE COULD BE SPECIFIC IN OUR REGULATION TO SAY 18IN OR 24, SO THAT IT DOESN'T VARY WIDELY. I DO THINK YOU'RE GOING TO SEE SOME PEOPLE THAT TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS AND SOME THAT DON'T. SO YOU'RE GOING TO SEE SOME FENCES THAT ARE GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT TALLER THAN OTHERS. THAT COULD BE AN EFFECT OF THIS WITH THE GRID PATTERN.

BE CONSISTENT IN THE DESIGN OF THE LATTICE, THE SIZE THAT MAYBE IT'S A TWO BY TWO, TWO BY TWO SQUARE OR WHATEVER IT MAY BE, OR IS IT JUST UP TO EVERYBODY'S EYE OF THE BEHOLDER? I THINK WE COULD BE SPECIFIC IN THE ORDINANCE IF, IF YOU WANT, IF YOU IF YOU'RE REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT DESIGN, YOU COULD BE VERY SPECIFIC. I WOULD THINK THAT YOU WANT TO HAVE TO HAVE SOME SUBSTANTIAL MATERIAL, BUT I THINK YOU'D WANT TO LEAVE IT SO THEY'D HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY IN WHAT THEY DID. IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO PUT WROUGHT IRON UP THERE ON A ON A GRID PATTERN, WHY WOULD IT NOT BE ACCEPTABLE? THE LATTICE THAT'S GOING TO BE IN IF IT'S NOT EVEN CEDAR, IT'S JUST WOOD LATTICE. TWO YEARS, IT'LL WARP ITSELF OFF. EXACTLY. I MEAN, YEAH, I'M KIND OF I THINK YOU OUGHT TO SET SOME PARAMETERS ON WHO'S ALLOWED TO BUILD A FENCE OVER SIX FOOT. I DON'T WANT TO DRIVE DOWN A I DON'T WANT TO DRIVE DOWN THE ROAD AND BE VISUALLY OBTRUSIVE WITH EIGHT FOOT FENCES EVERYWHERE, BECAUSE I THINK IT HAS TO. I WOULD THINK IT WOULD HAVE TO BE LIMITED TO SOMETHING THAT HAD TO DO WITH TOPO, BECAUSE WE'VE GOT, AS AN EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, NEIGHBORS BUILDING A HOUSE AND THERE HAPPENS TO BE UP THREE FEET. OKAY, CAN YOU DO THAT? SO YOU BLOCK YOUR BACKYARD A LITTLE BIT BETTER? YES. AND THEN WE COULD HAVE THE USE THE STEP DOWN RULES THAT WE HAVE IF, IF THAT WAS ONLY ON ONE SIDE OR

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LIKE A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE, ACCESSORY STRUCTURES, A SHED, A GARAGE COULD BE A COVERED ARBOR, ARBOR, PERGOLA. I MEAN, I GUESS THE ONLY REASON I START TO SAY IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IT STARTS TO THROW SHADE ON THE PERSON NEXT DOOR. YOU'RE FIVE FOOT OFF THE PROPERTY LINE AND YOU GOT A, YOU GOT A GARAGE WITH A LOFT ON TOP OF PLANT WHITE OAKS AT 12 FOOT ON CENTER, AND I'LL BLOCK ALL THE SUN. THEY'RE GOING TO SEE WITHIN TWO YEARS. WELL, THAT'S TRUE TOO, I MEAN, AND THEN THEY GET MY LEAVES TO ANYWAY IN THEIR POOL. YEAH. I THINK THE, THE DEFINITION OF AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE STRUCTURE CAN GET WIDE RANGE. AND THEN IF YOU CONNECT IT TO THE HOUSE NOW IT'S NO LONGER ACCESSORY. RIGHT? YEAH. THAT'S ANOTHER TRICK THAT PEOPLE HAVE USED CONNECTED TO A HOUSE. NOT YOU PUT A COVERED WALKWAY TO IT WITH SOME AND MAKE THEM CONNECTED. YEP. NOW IT'S PART OF THE HOUSE. SOUNDS FUN. PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE. JAMIE.

ALL RIGHT. GOOD LUCK. YEAH. SO JUST RUN THAT LATTICE WORK. YEAH. THEN THE NEIGHBOR'S GOING TO WANT THE EIGHT FOOT LATTICE WORK. RIGHT ON. WE'LL WORK ON THAT ONE. OKAY, LAST TOPIC.

THIS AND THIS MAY WARRANT SOME MORE DISCUSSION IS THE. THE THE TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD

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AND AND THOSE POLICIES WERE PUT INTO PLACE IN 2011, THE DOWNTOWN THE 2040 PLAN WAS ADOPTED IN 20, IN 2012. SO SOME OF THOSE POLICIES TO LIMIT IT TO THE DOWNTOWN PLAN FOR PRIOR TO THE 2040 PLAN. SO WE HAVE PROJECTS LIKE THE PARK, FOR EXAMPLE. AND IT'S IT'S THIS PATCHWORK QUILT OF ZONING DISTRICTS, BUT THAT'S THE ONLY WAY THEY COULD REALLY FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO WHAT WHAT THEY WANTED TO DO. MIXED USE DISTRICT. THE TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD DISTRICT COULD HELP REDUCE THE NUMBER OF ZONING DISTRICTS IN THESE LARGE PLANNED DEVELOPMENTS IF WE ALLOWED IT OUTSIDE OF THE DOWNTOWN AREA, AND ALSO FOR AREAS LIKE THE DUPLEX. OUR OUR ORDINANCE DOESN'T ALLOW. WELL, THE ONLY LOT FOR REALLY NARROW LOTS LIKE WHAT'S ON HARRIS STREET AND THAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE DUPLEX INFILL. WE HAVE A TEN ALLOWS FOR A 50 FOOT WIDE LOT. IF YOU AND YOU CAN EVEN GO LOWER THAN THAT IF YOU HAVE AN ALLEY. R4 HAS NO MINIMUM LOT WIDTH. BUT WE DISCOURAGE PEOPLE FROM DOING R4 BECAUSE THAT'S OUR MULTIFAMILY ZONING DISTRICT. THE BOARD IS ESSENTIALLY SAID WE'RE NOT GRANTING ANY MORE R4 ZONING, SO WE REALLY DON'T HAVE ANY ZONING TOOLS THAT ALLOW FOR MORE NARROW LOTS OUTSIDE OF THE DOWNTOWN PLAN, UNLESS YOU DO LIKE A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS VERY, VERY EXPENSIVE AND VERY COSTLY. SO I THE WAY TO SAY THIS IS IF WE ALLOWED FOR THOSE TWO DISTRICTS TO BE USED OUTSIDE OF DOWNTOWN, PARTICULARLY TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD, IT MIGHT ALLOW FOR INFILL ON A SMALLER BASIS WITHOUT THE NEED FOR LIKE A BIG, COMPLICATED PLAN DEVELOPMENT. AND IT MIGHT HELP IN SOME OF THESE SMALLER, SMALLER NEIGHBORHOODS, BUT ONLY IN THE RIGHT PLACE. AND I COULD WORK WITH YOU ALL ON SHOWING YOU WHERE IT COULD BE ALLOWED OR WHERE IT MIGHT NOT BE ALLOWED, BUT WE COULD TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE LATER. SO THAT'S THAT'S ONE THING WE MIGHT WANT TO EXPLORE SO WE CAN CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION. I'LL RESEARCH SOME OF THESE THINGS YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT, BUT MY GOAL IS TO BRING YOU SOMETHING IN FEBRUARY THAT YOU COULD ACTUALLY ACT ON. AND DON'T FEEL PRESSURE IF YOU'RE NOT READY. YOU COULD ALWAYS DEFER IT AND CONTINUE WORK WORKING ON IT, AND MAYBE THE BOARD COULD SEE IT IN FEBRUARY OR MARCH. ANYTHING ELSE? BEFORE I GIVE YOU A COUPLE QUICK ANNOUNCEMENTS? SO WE HAVE A NEW STAFF MEMBER NAMED JACOB. YOU MIGHT MIGHT SEE HIM AT A MEETING. I DON'T THINK HE'S HERE IN THE AUDIENCE TONIGHT. I TOLD HIM HE COULD GO, OH, THANK YOU. BUT THE WE'RE WE'RE TRYING TO HIRE A NEW PLANNER. NANDITA LEFT US IN OCTOBER TO WORK FOR SHELBY COUNTY. SO WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF HIRING A NEW PLANNER AND HOPE TO DO THAT SOON. NEXT WEEK, MAYOR FRAZIER WILL ANNOUNCE THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPOINTMENTS FOR NEXT YEAR AND WILL NAME AN HTC LIAISON. PLANNING COMMISSION LIAISON TO THE HTC. I DO HEAR THAT THEY'RE GOING TO WAIT A LITTLE BIT ON THE BMA LIAISON, SO WE MIGHT NOT KNOW WHO THAT PERSON IS FOR A LITTLE WHILE. JOHN STAMPS WASN'T ABLE TO BE HERE TONIGHT. HE HAD A FAMILY EMERGENCY, BUT MAYBE WE'LL GET TO WORK WITH JOHN AGAIN NEXT YEAR. THERE'S A SPECIAL MEETING WORK SESSION WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND BOARD ON THE 15TH. THE CONSULTANTS ARE COMING INTO TOWN, AND THEY'D LOVE TO TALK TO YOU ALL ABOUT THE THE COMP PLAN PROCESS AND SOME OF YOUR THOUGHTS. AND THERE'S A LARGE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT EVENT PLANNED FOR THAT NIGHT. THE 2026 PLANNING COMMISSION SCHEDULE HAS BEEN RELEASED ONLINE, AND WE'LL GIVE YOU A COPY IN JANUARY. YOUR JANUARY MEETING IS ACTUALLY ON A TUESDAY. WE ADJUSTED THAT BECAUSE OF THE THE HOLIDAY, THE HOLIDAY AND TRYING TO PUSH IT INTO THE NEXT WEEK. SO IT'S IT'S ON THE SIXTH AND YOU ONLY HAVE ONE ITEM ON THAT AGENDA.

THAT'S THE THOMPSON MACHINE INDUSTRIAL SUBDIVISION. JUST A FRIENDLY REMINDER ABOUT YOUR STATE ETHICS COMMISSION DISCLOSURE REQUEST. THOSE AREN'T DUE TILL JANUARY. SO IF YOU PUT IF YOU TURN THAT IN NEXT YEAR, YOU'LL BE GOOD UNTIL THE FOLLOWING JANUARY. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. YOU SHOULD GET THAT DONE I MISSED IT, I GET PRETTY SERIOUS. THANK YOU. JAMIE. I WANT TO LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE A HAVE A SCOUT THAT'S BEEN VISITING TONIGHT. WE'RE GLAD TO HAVE YOU. I

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