* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. YEAH. [00:00:01] YOU HAVEN'T DONE THAT WHEN THEY DID THAT. IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME. JAMIE, WE READY? YEAH. EVERYBODY READY? OKAY. IF [1 Call to order] I COULD CALL TO ORDER THE, UH, HDC MEETING OF OCTOBER. IF WE COULD, IF YOU COULD STAND. WE'LL SING THE DO THE PLEDGE. SING. SING. I PLEDGE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH STANDS? ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE. JUSTICE FOR ALL. THANK YOU. WE HAVE A ROLL CALL. COMMISSIONER HALL HERE. COMMISSIONER WALKER. COMMISSIONER BROOKS? HERE. COMMISSIONER COX? HERE. COMMISSIONER DEAN. HERE. COMMISSIONER ROZANSKI. HERE. CHAIRMAN KELSEY HERE. THANK YOU. UH, ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC HERE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE, UH, DO IT. SPEAK AT THE COMMENTS. YOU CAN FILL OUT THIS FORM. BRING IT UP FRONT AND WE'LL HEAR YOUR COMMENTS. [3 Approval of Minutes] HAS EVERYONE HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THE MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING? ANY CHANGES FROM ANYONE? DO I HAVE A MOTION? MOTION TO APPROVE. SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. CAN WE HAVE A ROLL CALL? COMMISSIONER ROZANSKI. A COMMISSIONER HALL? YES. COMMISSIONER DEAN? YES. COMMISSIONER COX. A COMMISSIONER BROOKS? YES. CHAIRMAN KELSEY? YES. OKAY. MOVING ON. HOW [4 Approval of Agenda (additions/deletions)] WE HAVE ANY CHANGES, JAMIE OR ANYONE TO THE AGENDA? UH, THE AGENDA IS AS ADVERTISED IN THE, UH, ONLINE. OKAY. DID WE HAVE A MOTION? MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA AS PRESENTED. SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. CAN WE HAVE A ROLL CALL? COMMISSIONER HALL? YES. COMMISSIONER BROOKS? YES. COMMISSIONER COX. UH, COMMISSIONER DEAN? YES. COMMISSIONER ROZANSKI. UH, CHAIRMAN KELSEY? YES. OKAY. NOW IT'S TIME FOR ANY CITIZENS' COMMENTS TO COME DOWN AND SPEAK ON ANYTHING THAT YOU HAVE. I DON'T SEE ANYONE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THERE'S NO CONSENT AGENDA TONIGHT. SO, FORMAL [7.a Case #252464 – 177 W. South Street – Request for a Certificate of Appropriateness (CofA) for Demolition.] AGENDA NUMBER 2 5 2 4 6 4. DO WE HAVE A STAFF REPORT? UH, YES. NANDITA IS GONNA MAKE THAT PRESENTATION FOR US TODAY. GOOD AFTERNOON. THE OWNER AND APPLICANT OF 1 77 WEST SOUTH STREET IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE DEMOLITION OF THE PROPERTY. IT IS IN THE HISTORY DISTRICT AND ZONED R THREE HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. THE SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING PROPERTY IS WITHIN THE COLLIERVILLE LOCAL HISTORY DISTRICT, BUT IS NOT LISTED ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORY PLACES. IT WAS BUILT AROUND 1930 WITH SHOTGUN STYLE ARCHITECTURE, BUT IN APPROPRIATE RENOVATIONS IN 2000. LARGELY DIMINISHED IS OUR ARCHITECTURAL INTEGRITY. COLLIERVILLE HAS HAD HISTORY DESIGN GUIDELINES AND OUR LOCAL HISTORY OVERLAY SINCE 1989. RECORDS SHOW 27 DWELLINGS HAVE BEEN LOST SINCE 1991. THE CURRENT REQUEST IS FOR DEMOLITION ONLY OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURES. IT ALSO INCLUDES THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, BUT THE APPLICANT HAS NOT STATED IF A NEW ONE WILL BE CONSTRUCTED AND EXISTING TREE WILL ALSO BE REMOVED. THE TOWN DOES NOT REGULATORY REMOVAL ON RESIDENTIAL LAWS LESS THAN AN ACCUR. HERE WE CAN SEE THE CURRENT FLOOR PLAN OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE AND THE CONDITION OF THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. THE APPLICANT STATES THERE WAS AN ADDITION OF AL WINDOW SYNTHETIC SIDING AND A FRONT APPROACH WITH THE LATTICE RAILING, WHICH ARE NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE HDS GUIDELINES. HERE WE CAN SEE THE CURRENT CONDITION OF THE INTERIOR OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE. THE PICTURES ARE PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT TAKEN DURING INSPECTIONS AND APPRAISAL REPORT HISTORY. DISTRICT DESIGN GUIDELINES SAYS DEMOLITION IS APPROPRIATE IF THE BILLING HAS LOST ARCHITECTURAL OR HISTORICAL INTEGRITY AND REMOVAL OR HARM THE DISTRICT VISUALLY OR IF IT DOES NOT CONTRIBUTE TO THE DISTRICT AND REMOVAL IMPROVES THE VISUAL EFFECT AS DETERMINED BY THE HTC STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE DEMOLITION OF BOTH STRUCTURES AS THE REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES FOR DEMOLITION OF HISTORY BUILDINGS. THE EXAMPLE MOTION IS ON YOUR SCREEN WITH NEXT STEPS. THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL ARE ON THE NEXT SLIDE. THAT CONCLUDES THE STAFF PRESENTATION. I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE QUESTIONS OF STAFF? [00:05:04] WE DON'T HAVE ANY PLANS FOR WHAT THE FUTURE BUILDING IS GONNA BE, CORRECT? NO, MA'AM. OKAY. WE DON'T HAVE ANY, HAVE WE? DO WE HAVE A, HOW MANY HAVE WE LOST ON SOUTH STREET SPECIFICALLY? DO WE KNOW? DO WE HAVE ANY KIND OF NUMBERS OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS ANYWAY, THERE'S SOME THAT HAVE BEEN LOST RIGHT OUTSIDE THE DISTRICT. SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS MAP, THERE WAS, LOOKS LIKE THERE WAS ONE A LITTLE BIT DOWN FROM THIS PROPERTY THAT WAS LOST, BUT I DO KNOW THAT TWO ONE WAS DEMOLISHED LAST YEAR. A DUPLEX TO THE, JUST TO THE WEST. RIGHT. AND THEN ONE CAME DOWN, I THINK LAST MONTH, UH, A LITTLE BIT FARTHER TO THE WEST, BUT THOSE ARE, THOSE WERE OUTSIDE THE HISTORIC HISTORY WE LOST ONE YEARS AGO TO THE FIRE. OKAY. IS THAT THE ONE ON THE CORNER OR THAT NEXT, NEXT TO YOUR OLD OFFICE? YEP. OKAY. IS THE APPLICANT, UH, HERE AND WOULD LIKE TO COME UP AND SAY A FEW WORDS? PLEASE COME UP. HI. JUST TELL US WHO YOU ARE AND YOUR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. MY NAME, MY NAME IS SHEILA MCCARLEY, AND MY PRESENT ADDRESS IS 40 HIGH PLAINS COVE EVES, TENNESSEE. AND WOULD YOU LIKE JUST TO ANSWER QUESTIONS OR DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO TELL US? OR YOU GO AHEAD. YOU HAVE, I YOU ASK ABOUT A PLAN, SOMEBODY ASK ABOUT THE PLAN. MM-HMM . TO WHAT TO BUILD THERE. I PLAN TO BUILD MY HOME THERE. OKAY. AND BACK HOME TO COLLIERVILLE. OKAY. AND BESIDE THERE AND BUILD A HOME, WHATEVER SPECS THAT I HAVE TO REQUIRE BE REQUIRED TO PUT BACK IN THAT, IN THAT AREA, IN THAT PART OF CARVILLE. OKAY. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO, NO QUESTIONS. OKAY. THANK YOU. WE APPRECIATE IT. UM, WE'D LIKE TO DISCUSS IT. HAVE A MOTION. WHAT YOU GOT? I, I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE. I THINK, I THINK THAT SOUTH STREET COULD BE IMPROVED, BUT I DON'T THINK TRYING TO FIND SOMEBODY TO REHAB SOME OF THESE HOUSES TO GET 'EM UP TO, TO PAR IS, UH, IS POSSIBLE. AND I BELIEVE WHAT THE APPLICANT IS GOING TO DO IS, UH, WILL BEGIN HELPING THAT STREET PROPERTY VALUES WHERE THESE HOUSES CAN BE EVENTUALLY REPLACED AND UPGRADED. SO I THINK SHE'S DOING, SHE'S STICKING HER NECK OUT, BUT I THINK IT'S GREAT. SECOND, AND I'LL MOVE APPROVAL. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. COULD WE HAVE A ROLL CALL? COMMISSIONER HALL? YES. COMMISSIONER DEAN? YES. COMMISSIONER ROZANSKI? YES. COMMISSIONER BROOKS? YES. COMMISSIONER COX. AYE. CHAIRMAN KELSEY? YES. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I MIGHT ASK YOU JUST TO SUSPEND JUST FOR A SECOND SURE. FOR A PERSONAL, I WOULDN'T WANT HER TO LEAVE HERE WITHOUT YOU KNOWING WHO THE APPLICANT IS. SHEILA MCCARLEY WAS BORN AND RAISED IN COLLIERVILLE, WAS A, WENT TO COVILLE HIGH SCHOOL AND WAS A CHEERLEADER. SHE PUT HERSELF THROUGH SCHOOL, IS A CERTIFIED REGISTERED NURSE, AN ANESTHETIST. AESTHETICIAN, YOU GOT IT. AND SHE WORKS AT THE BAPTIST HOSPITAL IN THE, UH, LABOR AND DELIVERY. SHE ALSO IS A 30 YEAR RETIREE FROM THE US ARMY RESERVES, RETIRING AS A FULL BIRD COLONEL. SO SHE IS COLONEL, DOCTOR SHEILA MCCARLEY . AND I'M VERY PROUD TO HAVE KNOWN HER SINCE THE DAY SHE WAS BORN AND HER WHOLE FAMILY . SO I DIDN'T WANT A SPECIAL PERSON TO LEAVE HERE WITHOUT Y'ALL KNOWING WHO SHE'S NO, THAT'S GREAT. THANK YOU. THAT'S AWESOME. THANK YOU. THAT'S GREAT. THANK YOU. THAT'S WHY YOU'RE OUR, YOU'RE OUR HISTORIAN. HISTORIAN. THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S RIGHT. YOU CAN NEVER GET OFF THIS BOARD . THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S RIGHT. [7.b Case #252713 – 139 S Rowlett Street -Request Certificate of Appropriateness (CofA) for exterior alterations.] OKAY. DO WE HAVE, UH, WE'RE MOVING ON TO AGENDA NUMBER TWO. DO WE HAVE A STAFF REPORT? WE DO, YES. SHEILA'S GONNA MAKE THAT PRESENTATION FOR US. GOOD AFTERNOON. THE APPLICANT, RAYMOND FARROW OCCUPANT OF CAFE PIAZZA WITH THE PERMISSION OF PROPERTY OWNERS, I'M GONNA START OVER. . GOOD AFTERNOON. THE APPLICANT, RAYMOND FARROW OCCUPANT OF CAFE PIAZZA WITH THE PERMISSION OF PROPERTIES. OWNERS, PAT AND MARY BETH LUCCHESE IS REQUESTING FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR EXTERIOR ALTERATIONS LOCATED AT 1 39 SOUTH LES STREET. THE [00:10:01] PROPERTY IS ZONED GC GENERAL COMMERCIAL AND IS SURROUNDED BY OTHER GC AND CB CENTRAL BUSINESS PROPERTIES. THE, HIS EXISTING HISTORIC DWELLING WAS BUILT IN 1912 AND HAS A BUNGALOW STYLE WITH A CLASSICAL REVIVAL SECONDARY STYLE DESIGN. THE PROPERTY IS NOT A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE AND IS NOT ELIGIBLE FOR THE, THE NATIONAL REGISTERED DISTRICT. THE STRUCTURE WAS ORIGINALLY BUILT AS A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING AND HAS BEEN ADAPTIVE ADAPTIVELY REUSED FOR COMMERCIAL PURPOSES. FIRST USED AS A REAL ESTATE OFFICE AND LATER CONVERTED INTO A RESTAURANT, WHICH IS THE CURRENT USE OF CAFE PIAZZA. SINCE THE EXPANSION OF THE USE, THE PROPERTY HAS UNDERGONE SOME ALTERATIONS TO ACCOMMODATE THE REP RESTAURANT'S OPERATIONS. THE MOST RECENT AL ALTERATIONS APPROVED BY THE HDC WAS OUTDOOR SEATINGS WITH, UM, COVERING THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING THE INSTALLATION OF TWO VENTED HOODS FOR THE COMMERCIAL KIT FOR THE COMMERCIAL KITCHEN TO SUPPORT THE EXPANSION OF THE RESTAURANT SERVICES. THE HOODS WILL BE LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING VISIBLE FROM SOUTH ROULETTE IN THE TOWN SQUARE. THEY WILL BE CONSTRUCTED OF ALUMINUM STEEL, STAINLESS STEEL, AND PAINTED TO MATCH THE ROOF. THE APPLICANT APPLICANT SUBMITTED THESE DRAWINGS ALONG WITH THE APPLICATION. THESE DRAWINGS, UM, WERE INSUFFICIENT FOR A CODE DEPARTMENT TO REVIEW. THE APPLICANT WOULD NEED TO PROVIDE THE EXACT MEASUREMENTS OF THE ROOF SLOPE, REVISE THE VENTED ROOF'S, DIMENSIONS, AND, AND, AND AS WELL AS PROVIDE SUFFICIENT ACCESS FOR MAINTENANCE AND REPAIRS. THE HISTORIC DI DI THE HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES STATE THAT A SITE OF PREJUDICES SUCH AS OVERHEAD WIRES, FUEL TANKS, EXTERIOR MECHANICAL UNITS, IN THIS CASE, THE VENTED HOODS ARE NECESSARY AS A PART OF CONTEMPORARY LIFE. HOWEVER, THEIR PLACEMENT MAY DISTRACT FROM THE MAIN CHARACTER OF THE SITE IN THE BUILDING. THE GUIDELINES ADVISE THAT THE APARTMENTS EITHER BE PLACED IN INCONSPICUOUS AREAS ON THE SIDE OR THE REAR OF THE BUILDING, OR BE SCREENED WITH COMPATIBLE PLANTING OR LANDSCAPE. THE APPLICANT COULD MEET THE HDC GUIDELINES WITH EITHER OF THE FOLLOWING OPTIONS. THEY COULD ADD EVERGREEN LANDSCAPING ALONG ROULETTE TO SCREEN THE VENT HOOD. THEY COULD, UM, CONSIDER A WALL MOUNTED VENT FOR AN EASIER SYSTEM FOR SCREENING, BUT WITH, BUT THAT MAY NOT MEET THE INTERNATIONAL BUILDING CODE AS BUILDING AND CODE DIRECTOR INFORMED US. AND OR THEY COULD ENSURE, I MEAN, ENCLOSED THE VENTED HOOD WITH A FALL FOUR FAUX CHIMNEY CONSISTENT WITH THE HDC GUIDELINES AND EASILY REMOVABLE. SIMILAR TO THE RESTAURANT GUUS, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THAT. BUT THE, BUT WITH THE DESIGN OF THE VENTS, THAT WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO MASK IT. WITH THE CHIMNEY DESIGN, THE STAFF RECOMMENDS THE DEFERRAL OF THE INSTALLATION OF THE REQUEST AS MORE TIME IS NEEDED TO RESEARCH MORE EFFECTIVE MEANS OF SCREEN AND PREVENTED HOODS. EXAMPLE, CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL PROVIDING AN EXHIBIT TWO, IF THE HDC FINDS THE PAINTED VENT AS PROPOSED TO BE ACCEPTABLE. THE EXAMPLE MOTION BASED ON THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST IS ON YOUR SCREEN ALONG WITH THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL AND THE APPLICANT'S NEXT STEPS. I'LL JUMP IN AND SAY, USUALLY WHEN WE BRING YOU SOMETHING THAT'S PRETTY WELL BUTTONED UP AND WE KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT, AND IN THIS CASE WE'RE NOT SURE HOW, WHAT IS THE BEST SOLUTION. IT COULD BE THAT PAINTING THOSE VENTS IS ALL THEY CAN DO. THAT'S THE BEST THEY CAN DO. MM-HMM . AND THAT'S ALL THEY MAY HAVE TO DO IN THIS CASE. UH, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE NOT SURE THAT THAT'S EXACTLY THE, THE CASE. THAT THERE, THERE MAY BE OTHER THINGS THAT COULD BE EXPLORED AND EVEN THE VENTS THEMSELVES MAY, MAY NEED TO BE A LITTLE BIT TALLER OR THEY MAY NEED SOME KIND OF PLATFORM TO GET TO THE, THE VENTS AND EVEN THE PLATFORM ITSELF COULD BE PRETTY DE [00:15:01] DETRACTING ON, ON THAT SIDE OF THE BUILDING. OKAY. MAY I ASK? COULD, COULD, I WOULD LIKE TO FIND OUT IF THEY COULD BE MOVED TO THE REAR ROOF. I THINK THEY WOULD BE MUCH LESS UNATTRACTIVE IF THEY WERE ON THE REAR OF THE BUILDING. MM-HMM . THE APPLICANT STATED THAT HE'S ALSO LOOKING TO INTO THOSE OPTIONS TO, UM, CREATE. SO THAT'S A, THAT'S POSSIBLE. MM-HMM . I WILL THROW OUT, UM, THAT YOU CAN SEE FROM THE PICTURE BEHIND ME, THAT THAT STILL MIGHT BE VISIBLE, BUT IT WON'T BE AS VISIBLE FROM ETTE OR THE TOWN SQUARE. IT MIGHT BE VISIBLE FROM MAIN STREET. SO WE MIGHT HAVE TO KIND OF PICK, PICK OUR, PICK THE LESSER EVIL MM-HMM . IN THAT REGARD. SO IS THE RECOMMENDATION OF DEFERRAL BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE TECHNICAL DRAWINGS OR REALLY APPROPRIATE DRAWINGS? NO. UM, BUILDING AND CODES HAVE ISSUES WITH, WITH THE, THE DRAWINGS THAT WERE PROVIDED, THE MEASUREMENTS OF THE, THE DIMENSIONS OF THE VENDOR HOODS, UM, THE, UM, THE MEASUREMENTS AS FAR AS THE, HOW FAR IT HAS TO BE FROM THE GRADING, LIKE AS FAR AS THE GROUND. AND THEN ALSO SOME ISSUES WITH, UM, WITH THE, SORRY, ONE SECOND. OH, OH, THE, THE DRAWINGS DIDN'T PROVIDE ANY MEASUREMENTS OF THE ROOF SLOPE, SO, OKAY. SO THE POINT OF MY QUESTION IS, IS THERE A WAY THAT THE STAFF IS COMFORTABLE OR THAT, AND THE COMMISSION COMMISSIONERS ARE COMFORTABLE, SO WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO COME BACK TO THIS IF WE APPROVED IT'S APPROPRIATE AND I'M, I WOULD MOVE TO PUT IT ON THE REAR MM-HMM . BUT MAKE IT CONTINGENT ON THEM PROVIDING ADEQUATE, UH, DRAWINGS AND, AND WHATEVER THAT THE STAFF WOULD APPROVE TO. IS THAT, IS THAT AN OPTION FOR, THAT YOU WOULD BE HAPPY WITH? OR DO WE JUST NEED TO PUT IT OFF? IT'S, IT IS AN OPTION. YOU, YOU COULD DIRECT THAT TO THE APPLICANT AND STAFF. THERE WOULD BE SOME THINGS, SOME QUESTIONS I WOULD ASK THE COMMISSION IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION YOU GO. UM, IS PAINTING IT SUFFICIENT? WOULD YOU WANNA SEE SOME EXTRA LANDSCAPING OR SOME TYPE OF OTHER SCREEN? SOMETIMES THE SCREENS CAN BE WORSE THAN WHAT, WHAT THEIR SCREENING. UM, IF IT DOES GO IN THE REAR, THERE'S, THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES FOR ADDITIONAL EVERGREEN PLANNING. SO THAT, THAT MIGHT BE BE AN OPTION. THAT'D BE A TALL EVERGREEN PLANNING. RIGHT? YEAH. RIGHT. AND I, I DID WANNA ADD THAT HE WOULD ALSO NEED TO ADD A PLATFORM DEPENDING ON HOW HIGH FOR MAINTENANCE AND CLEANING OF THE VENTS AS WELL. WELL, THAT'D BE A, THAT WOULD BE A CODE RECOMMENDATION FROM ANY, FROM BUILDING CODES, I THINK, WOULDN'T IT? YEAH. AND, AND JAMIE, ISN'T THAT WHY THERE'S, TALK ABOUT DOING A DEFERRAL SO THAT THEY COULD GET THESE THINGS TOGETHER SO WE'D BE ABLE TO SEE THEM. CORRECT. WE UNDERSTAND THERE'S LIMITS TO WHAT YOU CAN DO. UH, JUST LIKE TRYING TO GET IT TO THE REAR. THEY WANT THOSE VENTS TO GO VERTICAL FROM THEIR COOKING LOCATION. SO IF THE COOKING LOCATION INSIDE THE BUILDING DOESN'T MATCH YOU, YOU CAN'T MOVE THOSE AROUND THE SAME. SO I WOULD THINK THAT THE BEST THING AT THIS TIME WOULD BE FOR US TO, IF THE APPLICANT'S WILLING TO, TO DEFER IT TO THE NEXT MEETING. SO YOU'VE GOT A CHANCE TO ACTUALLY GET THROUGH THE CODE ISSUES AND, AND THEY CAN PROPOSE WHAT THEY REALLY, THE BEST SOLUTION FOR WHAT THEY WANT TO DO. MM-HMM . WOULD IT BE THE NEXT MEETING OR MEETING AFTER NEXT, AS SOON AS THEY COULD GET, GET BACK TO YOU. IS IT CUT OFF FOR THE NEXT, LIKE TOMORROW THE CUTOFF IS TUESDAY OF NEXT WEEK. TUESDAY WEEK. YEAH. AND WE HAVE TO ADVERTISE ON FRIDAYS. I WAS JUST TRYING TO FIND A WAY WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO DELAY THE, AND I'M FINE WITH THAT DELAY AND HAVE US COME BACK FOR THIS OR DELAY THEM GETTING THEIR PROJECT DONE. SO WHATEVER THAT I, I'M FINE. EITHER WOULD, I DON'T CARE. BUT JAMIE, WOULD THEY HAVE TO MEET THAT 28TH DATE IN ORDER TO BE ON THE NEXT ONE? SINCE THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN IN THE QUEUE? WE COULD GIVE THEM A LITTLE BIT OF WIGGLE ROOM, BUT WE HAVE TO ADVERTISE FRIDAY OF NEXT WEEK FOR THE MEETING. SO WE WOULD HAVE TO KNOW, WE, WE WOULD NEED TO HAVE PLANS IN HAND. SOMETHING THAT COULD COME TO YOU BY, AT LEAST BY FRIDAY OF NEXT WEEK, OR WE DECEMBER OR NO, NOVEMBER WOULDN'T BE THE RIGHT, THE RIGHT MEETING. YOU SAID THEY ARE LOOKING AT THE OPTION OF PUTTING IT BEHIND THE BUILDING? YES. THEY, I SPOKE WITH THE APPLICANT. UM, HE'S NOT, NOT NECESSARILY PUTTING IT BEHIND THE BUILDING, BUT, UM, CREATING, I GUESS IN OTHER WORDS LIKE A, LIKE TUNNELING IT UP, UP AND OUT INTO A DIFFERENT DIRECTION. SO MAYBE LIKE CREATE AN EVENT THAT CAN GO LIKE SOMEWHAT LIKE THIS ON THAT SIDE OF THE BUILDING. SO OUT AND OPEN UP, I WENT OVER THERE AND LOOKED AT IT. I THINK THEY COULD 45 IT AROUND TO THE BACK WHERE IT'LL COME UP THROUGH THERE. I THINK I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT I THINK THEY COULD DO THAT. MM-HMM . AND STILL MEET THE, THE AIR CIRCULATION [00:20:01] CODE. YEAH. THEY'RE JUST AS, AS WE SAW ON GUS'S YEARS AGO. YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST, IT'S A LARGE HOOD AND THEN THEY'VE GOTTA GET TO IT TO BE ABLE TO, YOU'VE GOTTA KEEP AREA AROUND IT. SO THERE'S, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, MULTIPLE THINGS THAT WE'VE GOTTA LOOK AT IF YOU KNOW, TO, AND TO ALLOW THEM TO EXPAND THEIR ABILITY TO PRE UH, PREPARE FOOD. AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT IT'S ABOUT. LET'S HAVE THE APPLICANT COME UP AND THEN WE CAN ASK SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS. UH, AS WE'RE GOING. PLEASE, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. GOOD AFTERNOON. UH, RAY FAIR OF, UH, 1 3 9 SOUTH ROLL STREET, COLVILLE, TENNESSEE CAFE. PIAZZA. WOULD YOU LIKE TO, UH, TELL US YOUR PLANS OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO JUST ANSWER QUESTIONS? WELL, RIGHT NOW IT SEEMS LIKE IT, IT'S SO COMPLICATED. I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT, HOW BIG THIS IS GOING TO BE. MM-HMM . AND, UM, WHEN I FIRST, UH, SAW THE BUSINESS, LIKE, OH, I WAS TOLD LIKE, HEY, UM, YOU CAN PUT A SERVE BREAKFAST EVERY DAY IF YOU WANT. YOU KNOW, BUT IT REQUIRES THIS LIKE, OH, OKAY. I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A SIMPLE PERMIT AND STUFF LIKE THAT. SURE. BUT ALL THIS GOING ON RIGHT NOW, IT SEEMS LIKE OVERWHELMING AND THE COST OF INSTALLING THE, UH, VAN HOOD IS THE, THE FUNDS IS JUST NOT RIGHT THERE BECAUSE THE RESTAURANT IS SLOW. RIGHT. UM, WHATEVER, WHATEVER YOU GUYS NEED, I MEAN, I'M, I'M WILLING TO MOVE FORWARD GOING, GOING THROUGH IT, BUT OF COURSE, ACCORDING TO YOUR PLANS AND WHAT YOU GUYS DECIDE ON, WE WILL STILL PURSUE. UM, IF YOU WANT TO DEFER IT, GIVE ME MORE TIME TO AT LEAST PLAN IT OUT. BUILDING CODES, WHATEVER FINANCE IT AND STUFF. IT'S, IT'S OKAY TO ME. THERE'S, THERE'S NO RUSH. OKAY. DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? ANYONE? I LIKE THE IDEA OF BREAKFAST. MM-HMM . , A BREAKFAST PLACE IS CASE. THEY AT THREE. SO, SO THE DEFERMENT IS OKAY. YES, SIR. YES, SIR. DO YOU THINK YOU'D HAVE A SHOT AT GETTING ON NOVEMBER'S MEETING BY NEXT FRIDAY? IS THAT RIGHT, JAMIE? CORRECT. DO YOU THINK YOU COULD HAVE WHAT SOME PLANS THEY NEED BY NEXT FRIDAY? SOME UPDATED PLANS. MM-HMM . UH, WE COULD, 'CAUSE UM, MY INSTALLER IS, UH, DID SAY THAT WE COULD PROBABLY REROUTE THE DUCT TO THE, TO THE REAR. SO IT'S NOT GONNA BE ON THAT SIDE. RIGHT. THERE IS THE TREE OVER THERE THAT KIND OF BLOCKS IT, BUT IF YOU LOOK AROUND, YOU CAN STILL SEE IT LIKE POPPING OUT. I, I UNDERSTAND WHY. IT'S KIND OF LIKE, AH, WHAT IS THAT? YEAH. YEAH. BUT ON THE BACK, THERE'S LIKE THAT VENT OVER THERE. I THINK THAT'S THE AC VENT ANYWAY. AND I WAS TOLD THAT THE VENT FOR THE VENT HOOD IS GONNA BE SIMILAR SIZE AND IT'S ONLY JUST ONE. I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE TWO CAME FROM, BUT THERE'S ONLY ONE, THERE'S ONLY ONE, ONE VENT THAT GO OVER THERE IN THE ROOF. RIGHT IN, IN THE ROOF. BECAUSE THE OTHER ONE IS THE, UH, THE MAKEUP. THE MAKEUP. AND THAT'S, UM, I DON'T THINK IT'S AS BIG AND IT MIGHT STILL POP UP, BUT I DON'T THINK IT GOES THROUGH UP THERE. IT'S JUST IN THERE. OH, ON THE DRAWING IS DEPICTED AS ON THE, ON THAT SIDE AS WELL. OH, OKAY. AND FROM CODES AND, AND, UM, FROM THE CODES DEPARTMENT, THEY SAID THAT YOU ACTUALLY DO NEED BOTH. OH YES. I THINK I'LL ASK HIM WHAT, UH, ALTERNATIVE, UH, PLANS THAT WE CAN DO TO, I WOULD BEING ABLE TO SEE IT ON THE ROOF WITH A RELATIVE TRULY RELATIVE SIZE, NOT JUST A LITTLE. RIGHT. BECAUSE THAT, THAT'S WHAT USUALLY SURPRISES EVERYBODY IS WHEN YOU PUT THESE ON THE, EVERYBODY'S THINKING OF VENT AND YOU PUT THESE ON THERE AND THEY'RE A PRETTY GOOD SIZED MUSHROOM MM-HMM . AND THEN, AND THEN IF YOU'VE GOTTA PUT SCREENING AROUND IT YEAH. THEN THAT GETS EVEN BIGGER. I REALIZED THAT WHEN I LOOKED AROUND THE GUSTS, UH, RESTAURANT OVER THERE IS LIKE, WOW, , IT'S HUGE. AND THAT, THAT WOULD DOMINATE THAT ROLE. YEAH. WHICH MAY BE A REASON WE DON'T WANT THAT. AND THEN WE START TALKING ABOUT HAVING A SERVICE PLATFORM. RIGHT. WE'D JUST LIKE TO SEE WHAT YOU'VE GOT. ALSO, MY MIND IS I DON'T WANT YOU TO GET INTO IT AND GET HALFWAY THROUGH THIS THING. RIGHT. AND REALIZE YOU'VE GOTTA SPEND ANOTHER $5,000 IN CASING IT AND YOU'RE NOT READY. YES MA'AM. IT'S VERY OVERWHELMING RIGHT NOW, UH, CONSIDERING ALL THIS. AND THEN ALSO BESIDES AT FIRST THE, UH, CITY, THEY'RE LIKE, NOW I HAVE TO GO TO DISTRICT. IT'S LIKE, OH WOW. AND THEN HEALTH DEPARTMENT WANTS THEIR FEET ON IT TOO. IT'S LIKE, OH, WHAT DO YOU NEED IT FOR? . SO, SO THERE'S NO RUSH AT, AT THIS POINT POINT THERE, THERE'S A LOT OF TAPE TO GO THROUGH. YES. THERE IS . SO THERE'S REALLY NO RUSH. UH, WHATEVER TIME YOU GUYS NEED AND ALSO GIVES ME TIME TO PLAN IT ALL OUT AND FINANCE IT. I THINK IF YOU REACH OUT TO THE STAFF, THEY CAN TELL YOU, SHOW YOU PERHAPS ON PREVIOUS PLANS THAT HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED, WHAT, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. OKAY. SO YOU'LL KNOW WHAT YOU NEED TO GO PROBABLY HIRE SOMEBODY, AN ARCHITECT OR SOME, OR MAYBE YOUR INSTALLER HAS SOMEONE WHO CAN, CAN YES. PUT TOGETHER WHAT THE, WHAT THE STAFF NEEDS. YES, SIR. OKAY. SO I THINK WE, UH, NEED A MOTION, OR I'LL MAKE A MOTION MORE DISCUSSION FOR SECOND. [00:25:01] WE HAVE A MOTION TO DEFER APPLICANT'S AGREEMENT, CORRECT? YES, SIR. SO JUST, UH, NEXT MEETING OR DEFER TO WHENEVER HE GETS IT TOGETHER. I THINK WHENEVER HE GETS IT TOGETHER. OKAY. OKAY. SO WE HAVE A MOTION THEN A SECOND. CAN WE HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? COMMISSIONER HALL? YES. COMMISSIONER DEAN? YES. COMMISSIONER ROZANSKI? YES. COMMISSIONER BROOKS? YES. COMMISSIONER COX. A CHAIRMAN. KELSEY? YES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. WE APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU MA'AM. SIR. OKAY. [8 Development Updates (new cases, administrative reviews, etc.)] I GUESS, JAMIE, YOU HAVE THE, UH, DEVELOPMENT UPDATES. YES. UH, WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW OF CASES THAT ARE, UH, HAVE BEEN RECENTLY APPROVED OR APPROVED SINCE YOU MET LAST OR ARE PENDING, UH, FENCES THAT WERE NONE AS FAR AS SIGNS GO, UM, MAIN STREET COLLIERVILLE HAS SUBMITTED A COUPLE OF SIGNS AND THEY SHOULD BE GOING OUT BEFORE THE END OF THE WEEK. UH, THEY, UH, THEIR EXISTING OFFICE OVER ON MAIN STREET, 2 69 SOUTH CENTER STREET, THEY, THAT WAS RECENTLY MIDNIGHT, MIDNIGHT, MIDNIGHT STAR, BUT NOW IT'S, UH, SO WELL MED SPA. AND THEY'VE SUBMITTED A, A GROUND SIGN AND THEY'VE SAID THAT THEY MAY WANNA PAINT THE BRICK ON THAT SIGN, BUT IT'S A, A NON HISTORIC SIGN. SO THEY, THEY MAY DO THAT. PAINT IT WHITE TO MATCH THE, THE BUILDING. UH, 1 39 SOUTH LAC CAFE PIZA. THEY, THEY, THEY'VE SUBMITTED A GROUND SIGN AS WELL THAT'S STILL PENDING. NO EXTERIOR ALTERATIONS OR OR OTHER CASES TO REPORT AS FAR AS, UH, THE DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY MAP GOES AND OTHER CASES THAT ARE PENDING IN THE GENERAL AREA. UM, I'M GONNA PULL UP THE MAP FROM OUR, OUR WEBSITE THAT'S IN THE, THE MAP GALLERY. AND AS Y'ALL KNOW, THERE, THERE ARE LITTLE PENS THAT SHOW THAT THE STATUS OF CASES THAT ARE PENDING. AND WE, WE CAN LOOK AT PLANS FOR EACH PROJECT. ALRIGHT, LET'S SEE IF WE CAN GET ZOOMED INTO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. I WAS GONNA POINT OUT THE, THE STATUS OF, UM, UH, THE TWO CASES, THE DYERS AND SOUTHERN SOCIAL, UM, SOUTHERN SOCIAL HAS STARTED WORK. UM, THEY, THEY PULLED DOWN THE, THE CANOPY THAT WAS THERE AND SOME OF THE FACADE. AND I HAVEN'T ACTUALLY BEEN OUT THERE, I'VE BEEN OUT OF TOWN, BUT I'VE SEEN PICTURES AND IT IS AMAZING WHAT WAS UNDERNEATH THAT WOOD, WOOD SIDING. SO, CONGRATULATIONS, BILL ON WHAT YOU'VE DISCOVERED THERE. YEP. UH, SO THAT'S, SO THAT'S EXCITING. DYERS IS WORKING ON THEIR, SO ON SOUTHERN SOCIAL, THEY'RE GONNA PUT UP A, A FABRIC CONING OVER ON THE DYER SIDE. THEY WERE GONNA REBUILD THEIR CANOPY PER YOUR CONDITIONS TO, TO MATCH VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT HULETT AND DONE DID A, A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO. AND WE'RE WORKING WITH MARK TO MAKE SURE THAT THE SPECS ARE IN THE RIGHT FORMAT. SO WE'RE ALMOST THERE. IT'S WORKING THROUGH SOME OF THE FINAL DETAILS. WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S RIGHT BEFORE THEY, THEY GET A, A BUILDING PERMIT. UH, SO MOVING AWAY FROM THE SQUARE, WE DID GET THE FINAL SITE PLAN FOR THE MOUNT PLEASANT CONDOMINIUMS. THAT'S THE PROJECT THAT KYLE SLED HAD APPROVED A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, JUST SOUTH OF WILSON FURNITURE. SO THIS IS THEIR NEXT PROCEDURAL STEP TO MOVE TOWARDS BUILDING PERMITS. SO THAT'S WORKING THE WAY WE'VE REVIEWED IT AT THE STAFF LEVEL, GIVEN THEM SOME COMMENTS, AND I EXPECT THEM TO TURN IN PLANS HERE SOON. AND THEY, THEY MAY GO TO THE MAYOR AND BOARD BY THE END OF THE YEAR FOR A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. AS FAR AS BUILDING PERMITS, I KNOW IT'S NOT CLEAR EXACTLY WHEN THEY'RE GONNA PULL PERMITS, BUT THAT'S A CRITICAL STEP GETTING TO THE MAYOR AND BOARD FOR A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. UH, BUT THOSE ARE THE CASES WE WANTED TO UPDATE YOU ON, ON RELATED TO, TO THE MAP. SO ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT PENDING DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY IN THE AREA? JUST A, AS A MATTER OF RECORD, THE, THE NAME OF THE BUSINESS IS NOT SOUTHERN SOCIAL. OKAY. SOUTHERN SOCIAL IS A NICE RESTAURANT TOWN. RIGHT. IT'S JUST SOCIAL. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND SO, MOVING [9 Other Business] ON TO OTHER ANNOUNCEMENTS. WANNA LET YOU KNOW ABOUT SOME STAFFING CHANGES. THIS IS ACTUALLY NIDA'S LAST MEETING, UH, LAST PUBLIC MEETING WITH THE TOWN. SHE'S, SHE'S GONNA BE LEAVING US HERE SOON. UM, AND WE'RE THANKFUL FOR HER SERVICE AND SHE JOINED US EARLIER THIS YEAR AND SHE'S GONNA GO BE A PLANNER FOR MEMPHIS AND SHELBY COUNTY. SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT, CONGRATULATIONS. A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO HOME. THANK YOU FOR HER. UM, SO WE WILL WORK, WE'RE IN THE, THE PROCESS OF HIRING HERE, HERE SOON. TRYING TO FIND ANOTHER, ANOTHER PLANNER WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW ABOUT EXPIRING HT C MEMBER TERMS. [00:30:01] YOU MAY SEE SOME INFORMATION FROM OUR PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICER ABOUT REAPPLYING FOR NEXT YEAR. SO TECHNICALLY ONLY TWO OF Y'ALL HAVE, HAVE TERMS EXPIRING, SCOTT, BECAUSE YOU'RE FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND YOUR, YOUR HT C TERM FALLS ALONG. AND THEN ALSO, UM, WHITEY BROOKS, YOUR TERM IS UP AT THE END OF THIS YEAR. AND, UM, WHY DO YOU LET ME KNOW THE OTHER DAY THAT YOU WEREN'T PLANNING TO REAPPLY? SO HOPEFULLY THIS ISN'T YOUR LAST MEETING AND THERE'LL BE MORE CELEBRATION TO DO OF, OF YOUR SERVICE. UH, BUT WANTED TO LET, I'VE ENJOYED IT IMMENSELY AND LEARNED AN AWFUL LOT. , YOU'VE BEEN ON AS LONG AS I CAN REMEMBER WITH MY TERM TIME. YOU THINK 20 YEARS, RIGHT? IS THAT WHAT WE THINK? THAT'S WHAT I THINK. WE THINK SO. ABOUT 20 YEARS, IT SEEMS LIKE FOREVER. WOW. I THINK IT HAS BEEN 20 YEARS. IT HAS. YEAH. SO YOU'VE SEEN A LOT OF PRESERVATION, A LOT, A LOT OF CHANGE. I HAVE SEEN A LOT. I'VE LEARNED A LOT. I'VE MET A LOT OF PLANNERS COMING AND GOING AND , I, I REALLY ENJOYED IT. SO I KNOW I NEVER SAID MUCH, BUT EVERYBODY ELSE SAID IT FOR ME. . SO I JUST SAT HERE AND LISTENED. WELL, WE'LL SAY THANK YOU AGAIN. YES. I THAT THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE AND WELL, THANK YOU. SO WHEN Y'ALL SEE INFORMATION FROM THE, FROM THE PIO, KNOW THAT WE WILL HAVE A, A PHYSICIAN OPEN, BUT IT'S ONLY ONE, ONE PHYSICIAN. RIGHT. UM, YOUR, THE OTHER TERMS, YOUR, YOUR TERMS ARE LISTED ON THE SCREEN IN CASE Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT WHEN YOUR TERM EXPIRES. IT'S A FIVE YEAR TERM AS Y'ALL WELL KNOW. SO, UM, IT'S A LONG HAUL. YEAH. SO THE NEW, UM, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WANTED TO GIVE YOU A BRIEF UPDATE ON THAT. SO WE'VE HIRED THE CONSULTANT, THE ION BOARD HAS, UH, WE'VE HAD ONE STEERING COMMITTEE ALREADY, AND A COUPLE OF Y'ALL ARE ON THAT, THAT STEERING COMMITTEE, A FEW OF Y'ALL. AND WE'RE HOPING TO HAVE ANOTHER STEERING COMMITTEE HERE SOON. WE HAVE BEEN TALKING WITH A CONSULTANT ABOUT A, A PLAN FOR PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AND REALLY THE WHOLE PROJECT. SO WE'RE HOPING OVER THE NEXT, WHAT, 30 DAYS, MIKE. WE'LL HAVE A GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF THE, THE TIMELINE, BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE THAT OUT AND PRESERVATION WILL BE A BIG PART OF THAT. SO WE DO WANT, WANNA MAKE SURE THAT OUR CONSULTANT GETS A CHANCE TO MEET Y'ALL AND HEAR, HEAR YOUR, YOUR CONCERNS. UH, AND HOPE HOPEFULLY WE CAN BRING THEM IN MAYBE WHEN, MAYBE WHEN YOU'RE HAVING A MEETING, BUT THERE MIGHT BE SOME KIND OF SPECIAL MEETING WE HAVE JUST TO BE ABLE TO HAVE Y'ALL HAVE A CHANCE TO, TO TALK WITH THEM. UH, TALKING ABOUT, UH, SPECIAL MEETINGS. WE ARE GONNA HAVE A MEETING ON THE 18TH, EVEN IF THERE IS NO VOTING ITEM. THE STATE WANTS TO COME DOWN THAT DAY AND DO SOME TRAINING FOR Y'ALL, FOR US ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT PROCESS, HOW, HOW TO AMEND THE, THE NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT, HOW TO EXPAND, EXPAND IT, CONTRACT IT, UPDATE THE FORMS, AND, AND DO, DO ALL OF THAT. AND, AND DISCUSS WHAT BEING ELIGIBLE FOR THE REGISTER MEANS ARE NOT ELIGIBLE. THAT COMES UP A LOT. IT CAME UP TONIGHT WITH THE HOUSES ON SOUTH STREET. UH, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY, THEY WANNA DO FOR US. AND THAT, THAT UPDATE COULD BE A SPRINGBOARD FOR LOCAL DISTRICT CHANGES AS WELL. SO THAT'S ON TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 18TH. UH, IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY CASES ON THAT AGENDA, UM, I WOULD SUGGEST FOUR O'CLOCK FOR, FOR THAT TRAINING. BUT IF WE ARE GONNA HAVE A CASE, A CASE ON THAT AGENDA, I THINK WE'LL HAVE TO DECIDE DO WE WANT THE TRAINING BEFORE THE HT C MEETING OR AFTER THE MEETING? I THINK THERE'S A MAIN STREET MEETING THAT NIGHT TOO. SO THAT, UH, YEAH, I WOULD JUST EMAIL OUT AND GET A POLL FROM EVERYBODY, EMAIL OUT AND SEE WHAT WE'RE SCHEDULE IS LIKE. SURE. YEAH. JAMIE, WHERE DOES, AND I MAY HAVE MISSED SOMETHING, BUT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT REDRAWING THE LINES OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. WHERE DOES THAT STAND? WE'VE GOT SOME DEVELOPMENTS GOING ON AROUND THAT ARE, IN MY OPINION, IN THE DISTRICT, BUT THEY'RE NOT IN THE DISTRICT. MM-HMM . SO WHERE DOES THAT STAND? SO WE DID LOOK AT THAT. WE DISCOVERED THAT WE HAVE A LOCAL ORDINANCE WHERE WE HAVE, WE REQUIRE PROPERTY OWNER CONSENT TO BE IN OR OUT OF THE LOCAL OVERLAY WITH THE LOCAL, LOCAL OVERLAY BEING WHAT, WHAT Y'ALL SEE. UM, SO I THINK WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO BE, WE'D HAVE TO REACH OUT AND TALK TO THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS TO BRING THEM IN OR OUT. BUT GOING THROUGH THE NATIONAL REGISTER PROCESS AND FIGURING OUT WHAT, WHAT REALLY IS HISTORIC OR NOT WILL HELP US BE ABLE TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS. WELL, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT THAT PUTS, THAT PUTS THE WHAT, A PROPERTY OWNER THAT'S IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT'S NOT IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. MM-HMM . WASHINGTON STREET MM-HMM . SOUTH ROULETTE. THAT PUTS THEM IN A DIFFERENT POSITION TO AFFECT THE HISTORIC DISTRICT NEGATIVELY. YEAH. THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING. WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT. SO I'M, I'M, [00:35:01] I DON'T, I I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO ASK YOU OTHER THAN TO EXPLAIN WHAT YOU'VE EXPLAINED, BUT WE, THE, THE, WE NEED TO DECIDE HOW, WHAT IT, WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE AND THEN GO TO THE MAYOR OF THE BOARD AND SAID TO PROTECT THE DOWNTOWN. WE DON'T NEED INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNERS DOING WHAT THEY WANT TO. NOT THAT I WANNA STEP ON THEIR RIGHTS, BUT YOU'RE EITHER GONNA PROTECT IT OR YOU'RE NOT. SO I WOULD SAY I THINK THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS GONNA BE A GREAT VEHICLE TO HAVE SOME OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS AS WE TALK TO PROPERTY OWNERS AND THE PUBLIC AND FIGURE OUT WHAT, WHAT IS IMPORTANT TO THE COMMUNITY AND NOT, I THINK THAT'LL HELP WITH THE GEOGRAPHY OF WHAT NEEDS TO CHANGE, UH, PLUS THIS TRAINING THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE. BUT I THINK IF, IF PROPERTY OWNER CONSENT IS REQUIRED AND MAYBE THAT COMES OUT OF IT, THAT WE NEED TO ROLL THAT BACK, THAT'S NOT REQUIRED BY THE STATE. THAT'S SOMETHING WE'VE DECIDED LOCALLY. THE PREVIOUS BOARD WAS UNWILLING TO CHANGE THAT. UH, BUT THAT'S A BIG, THAT'S A BIG PIECE TO IT. IF THE PROPERTY OWNERS GET TO DECIDE THAT, THAT WOULD HAVE TO CHANGE IN THE ORDINANCE. IF, IF, UH, IF YOU WANT TO EXPAND THE DISTRICT OVER PEOPLE'S OBJECTIONS THAT THE ZONING ORDINANCE WOULD'VE TO CHANGE. BUT THE, THE COMP PLAN COULD BE A GREAT VEHICLE TO HAVE, HAVE SOME OF THESE, THESE CONVERSATIONS. AND WE DID GET WORD WE, THE STUDY WE DID, WAS IT LAST YEAR, THE, ALL THE DISTRICT, ALL THE BUILDINGS IN THE DISTRICT MM-HMM . THE STUDY DID SAY WE NEED TO ALIGN OUR LOCAL OVERLAY WITH THE NATIONAL IT DID, AT THE VERY LEAST, CHANGING THE, THE BOUNDARIES AS THEY ARE NOW. CORRECT. UM, SO WE HADN'T EVEN DONE THAT. SO WE NEED TO START MAYBE WITH THAT. 'CAUSE THAT WAS, WE PAID FOR THE STUDY AND THAT'S WHAT THE STUDY TOLD US, THEIR RECOMMENDATION. SO MAYBE THAT SHOULD BE A DISCUSSION WITH BOARD OF MAYOR AND IT, IT ALSO SAID THE UPDATE THE NATIONAL REGISTER, SO. RIGHT. I, I WOULD PREFER TO START THERE 'CAUSE I, I HAVE SEEN FROM THE STATE WHAT THEIR SUGGESTIONS ARE. OKAY. AND I'D LIKE TO SHOW YOU THAT AT THE TRAINING SINCE THEY'RE GONNA COME DOWN. OKAY. UM, BUT THE CHANGES ARE LARGE AND THEY'RE AREAS THAT ARE CURRENTLY HIS IN THE LOCAL OVERLAY AND THE NATIONAL REGISTER THAT THEY DON'T THINK ARE ELIGIBLE ANYMORE BECAUSE OF THE DEVELOPMENT WE'VE DONE AROUND THOSE PROPERTIES. OKAY. UM, SO THAT MIGHT COME AS A SURPRISE TO SOME AND THEN SOME ADDING SOME AREAS THAT ARE, UM, THAT MAYBE NOT PART OF THE LOCAL OVERLAY THAT MAYBE DIDN'T EVEN SHOW UP IN THAT SURVEY WE DID A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO AS SOME OF OUR HISTORIC BECAUSE THEY WERE OUT RANCH HOUSES BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T IN THE DISTRICT. THEY WERE OUT OF THE DISTRICT. CORRECT. RIGHT. SO I, I THINK WE NEED TO FIGURE THAT OUT 'CAUSE AND HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE STATE AND UNDERSTAND WHERE THEY'RE COMING FROM AND WHY, WHY THEY'RE STEERING US AWAY FROM CERTAIN AREAS THAT WE THOUGHT WERE HISTORIC AND, AND THEY'RE STEERING US TO AREAS THAT ARE MAYBE HAVE NOT TRADITIONALLY BEEN HISTORIC. AND WE, WE'VE GOTTA GOTTA HAVE THAT DISCUSSION. 'CAUSE WE'VE GOTTA GOTTA WORK WITH THEM TO BE ABLE TO UPDATE THE NATIONAL REGISTER. WE CAN'T DO IT WITHOUT THE, THE STATE'S HELP. RIGHT. OKAY. THAT'S PRETTY GOOD START, I THINK. DO WHAT? I THINK THAT'S A GOOD START. MM-HMM . YEAH. IT, IT NEEDS TO BE DONE. AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THERE'S THE POLITICAL WILL OR NOT, BUT YOU CAN'T, IT, IT, AND OTHER THAN THAT, IT'S, IT'S PATENTLY UNFAIR TO REQUIRE KYLE SLED TO DO HIS AND BE IN IT. AND YOU MOVE AROUND TO, NO OFFENSE TO JOHN GREEN, BUT HIS IS NOT IN IT ON WASHINGTON STREET. RIGHT. THAT'S JUST NOT FAIR. YEAH. AND IT'S NOT GOOD FOR THE TOWN WHEN, WHEN, IF THIS HYSTERICAL COMMISSION IS GOING TO LOOK AT IT. RIGHT. AND WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE, FOR THE DOWNTOWN. YEAH. WE NEED TO HAVE, WE NEED TO HAVE PURVIEW ON IT. I THINK. AND THERE'S SOME OTHER TOOLS, PLACES LIKE NASHVILLE HAVE DEVELOPED, LIKE A CONSERVATION OVERLAY THAT'S LIKE PRESERVATION LIGHT. THAT'S NOT A TRUE HISTORIC DISTRICT, BUT IT'S, UH, A GROUP KIND OF LIKE OUR DRC THAT WOULD HELP WITH, WITH THE EDGES. SO THAT THERE ARE TOOLS THAT, THAT WE COULD ADOPT THAT, THAT MIGHT HELP WITH THAT CONCERN. AND JUST REQUIRING A GENERAL HIGHER LEVEL MM-HMM . OF RESPONSIBILITY FOR HOMEOWNERS AND PROPERTY OWNERS ACROSS THE TOWN MM-HMM . SO WHETHER YOU'RE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT OR NOT, YOU'RE STILL PROTECTED AND THINGS CAN HAPPEN. SO I DON'T, I I THINK IT CAN BE DONE IN A, UH, BROADER SENSE IF THAT'S WHAT'S NEEDED TO, YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT BE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION WHEN WHEN YOU'VE GOT SOMETHING THAT'S KIND OF DEEMED IN THE HISTORIC AREA, THE, THE, THE, THE PLANNING COM, IF IT'S NOT IN THE DESIGNATION, THE PLANNING COMMISSION COULD TAKE A LOOK AT THE HDC GUIDELINES TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT OR WE, OR INCORPORATE SOME OF THOSE INTO THE, OR WE BROADLY ADOPT THE HDC GUIDELINES FOR THE TOWN. I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT AFFECTS OUTSIDE THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. YEAH. BUT ONE PROPERTY IN TOWN HAS EXTRA PROTECTION FROM ANOTHER PROPERTY IN TOWN MM-HMM . WHETHER YOU'RE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT OR NOT. RIGHT. WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, ONE OF THE, THE NEXT STEPS [00:40:01] WILL BE TO COME UP WITH A NEW ZONING ORDINANCE AND PROBABLY REVISE OUR GUIDELINES. SO THERE, THERE'S A TREMENDOUS OPPORTUNITY TO, TO DO THAT AND MAKE SURE IT'S ALL SEAMLESS. AND IF WE'VE GOT GAPS, WE CAN FIX THAT. THANK YOU. LAST THING I WAS GONNA MENTION IS I SENT OUT A MEMO JUST, JUST A LITTLE BIT EARLIER TODAY BEFORE THE, THE MEETING. DIDN'T EXPECT YOU TO READ IT, BUT IT'S ABOUT THE, THE PRESERVATION AWARD. SOME OF Y'ALL MAY REMEMBER THAT WE USED TO DO AN AWARD CEREMONY AND IT WAS LIKE ALL MAIN STREET AND THEN LAURA'S OUT IN THE AUDIENCE. UM, AND THEN, THEN THERE WAS A COLLABORATION BETWEEN MAIN STREET AND THE TOWN WHERE WE PUT TOGETHER AWARDS AND RECOGNIZED PEOPLE FOR THEIR CONTRIBUTIONS IN THE DISTRICT AND THEIR INVESTMENTS. SO LIKE, THE BEST SIGNAGE OR BEST COMMERCIAL SIGNAGE OR RE RESIDENTIAL OR BEST EXTERIOR ALTERATION OR, AND THEN THEY HAD SOMETHING THEY CALLED THE, THE SPIRIT OF GIVING AWARD, WHICH WAS LIKE SOMEBODY WHO HAD WORKED, WORKED A LOT TO HELP HELP WITH THE DOWNTOWN AREA AND, AND THE, HIS HISTORIC DISTRICT. UM, SO THE MEMO TALKS ABOUT MAYBE SIX TYPES OF AWARDS AND MAYBE A, A PROCESS FOR BRINGING THAT BACK. UM, SO I'D LOVE TO GET Y'ALL'S THOUGHTS ON THAT, THAT STRUCTURE AND WHAT, WHAT THAT DESIGN MIGHT LOOK LIKE IF WE'RE GONNA DO IT FOR NEXT YEAR. AND THE THOUGHT WAS TO TRY TO ALIGN IT WITH MAY, MAY IS HISTORIC PRESERVATION MONTH AND MAYBE WE COULD TIE IT ALL IN THERE WHERE THERE'S AN EVENT AROUND THAT TIMEFRAME AND THEN PRESS RELEASES AND STUFF LIKE THAT. UH, BUT IF WE'RE GONNA DO THAT, IT WOULD BE GOOD TO BLOCK IT DOWN PROBABLY OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS, WHAT THAT PROCESS WOULD BE LIKE. SO WE CAN LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT THEY CAN APPLY AND NOT, AND NOMINATE PROJECTS FOR AWARDS AND TRY TO TRY TO DESIGN THAT. SO GIVE THAT SOME THOUGHT. AND I'M, WE'RE OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS SINCE WE'RE HERE. AND I KNOW LAURA, THAT MEMO, I CONSULTED HER HEAVILY ON THAT BECAUSE SHE WAS PRETTY HANDS ON WITH THAT BACK, BACK IN THE DAY. MM-HMM . IS THERE A BIG CHECK THAT GOES WITH THAT AWARD? ? OH YEAH. YEAH. YOU CAN JUST, SAME AS THE CHECK YOU GET FROM SITTING IN THAT CHAIR. , THAT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY DOUBLE. IS THAT IT? ARE YOU THAT'S ALL WE HAVE TO SHARE. IS THAT EVERYTHING? EVERYBODY? ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. WE'RE ADJOURNED. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.